[16:23:01] Hi I_Jethrobot [16:23:08] Soni_WP - Hey Soni! [16:23:29] Sorry for being late [16:23:56] Oh please. If anyone needs to apologize, it's me for getting the time all wrong yesterday. : ) [16:24:04] You're totally fine. [16:24:38] Alright. [16:24:38] Soni_WP - How have you been doing? [16:25:03] It's been a hectic week, but I'm doing well so far :) [16:25:35] So what are we discussing tonight I_Jethrobot? [16:26:16] So, we need to figure out some actual text for some of the pieces of the wireframes draft that Dustin discussed with us last week. [16:26:47] Alright cool. Can you link the wireframes in question please [16:26:51] https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8mjQgLnZVBxTXg5TktFV3Bmdlk/edit [16:26:58] Soni_WP^ [16:27:50] So I figured we would start with "The Co-op Can Help you be a better writer, a more collaborative member, and allow you to police a better Wikipedia." [16:29:24] Howabout something that tells the newcomer WHAT the co-op is? [16:29:41] "The Co-op is a space for you to meet experienced editors and ...." [16:29:47] This phrase is a call to action for learners on the frontpage. It should draw in learners and should answer the question of "Why do / would want a mentor?" [16:30:05] er, "Why do I / would I want a mentor?" [16:30:07] that is. [16:30:46] Right. [16:31:50] "The Co-op is a space for you to meet experienced editors, who can help you become a better Wikipedia editor" [16:32:00] Hmm, soemthing doesnt sound right ^ [16:32:49] Soni_WP - Right, it's not easy. : ) [16:33:05] I think there are elements about your suggestion that are important, though. [16:33:31] Definitely like showing that users can become better editors. [16:33:37] And that they will meet experienced editors. [16:33:48] I think we can highlight the matching element here. [16:34:06] As a frame of reference, the Teahouse's line is: [16:34:21] "A friendly place to help new editors become accustomed to Wikipedia culture, ask questions, and develop community relationships." [16:35:13] Hmmmm... What are the other things we should highlight (apart from matching)? [16:35:43] I like thinking about the Co-op as a "gathering place", and I think we should incorporate that phrasing in there. [16:36:13] Mentors go there, learners go there, and they get matched up. [16:36:28] So, let me take a stab at this... [16:39:37] "Welcome to the Co-op, a gathering place to match mentors with editors to help..." [16:39:39] dang. [16:39:56] ^Soni_WP Not sure how to end this one. [16:42:25] Might be easier if we go the "you" route: "Welcome to the Co-op, a gathering place where you can find a mentor to help you become a better editor." [16:42:36] "...to match you with mentors, who can help you gain more experience and edit Wikipedia better." [16:44:38] Yeah, actually, I think the "working together" aspect might be a good direction to go in. [16:46:33] How does, "the Co-op is a gathering place where editors are matched with mentors who work together to learn about and improve Wikipedia." [16:47:16] ^Soni_WP [16:48:07] I personally prefer "you" instead of "editors" [16:49:30] Yeah, I think that's better as well. [16:50:00] "the Co-op is a gathering place where you can find a mentor and work together to learn about and improve Wikipedia." [16:50:19] Any preference over "find a mentor" and "get matched to a mentor"? [16:51:40] Not particularly. As long as it fits in well with the rest of the sentence, I guess either should do fine [16:52:25] OK. Let's stick with "find a mentor" then. [16:52:32] So, we've got that covered. [16:52:59] The other major thing is on the profile page. [16:53:55] And actually, we'll need to revisit some of the profile elements from the second wireframes draft: [16:53:56] https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwj9ysYHuqmORWk4bjBXWDVlRjg/edit [16:54:52] Alright. What portions specifically? [16:55:01] So first, when editors are prompted to provide a summary about what they want to learn, how should prompt them? [16:55:25] (I'm looking at the box that says "Write a brief summary of your issue") [16:56:03] The question here is, do we make this prompt more problem-based or learning-goal based? [16:56:06] Something along the lines of "What areas of Wikipedia editing are you interested in?" [16:56:32] It's like the difference between asking "What is the situational problem you are dealing with right now?" and "What do you want to learn how to do?" [16:56:41] Learning goal based. We already have Teahouse as a problem based location, so I believe the latter will suit us much better [16:57:04] "What kind of articles would you like to edit" [16:57:20] Or better "What would you like to learn about as a Wikipedia editor" [16:59:22] Yeah, I think that might be a little better for us. [16:59:35] "What would you like to learn about as a Wikipedia editor" [16:59:54] We'll go with that for now. [17:00:17] The last thing is asking for the "about me" profile elements, similar to the Teahouse. [17:00:52] On the second draft, I'm looking at the "Do you have any extra interests or skills as it relates to Wikipedia?" box on p.2 [17:02:07] "Do you have any other specific interests for editing Wikipedia?" [17:03:28] I was thinking more along the lines of "Tell us a little about yourself and why you want to edit Wikipedia." [17:05:42] I like it. I personally prefer a higher focus on what topics you want to edit though, but this fits in well too [17:07:21] Soni_WP - Got it. [17:07:36] Soni_WP - OK, I think that about covers it then. : ) [17:07:49] While we're here, did you have any questions about the midpoint report? [17:07:52] Alright. What's next on our agenda? [17:09:08] Well, the learning pattern part is pretty unclear to me; do you mind explaining it please, I_Jethrobot [17:09:34] Soni_WP - Yeah, this is not really something I'm a huge fan of, personally. [17:11:16] Soni_WP - So, think about the habits you have personally kept for this projects or that you've seen us do as a group. [17:12:20] For instance, a really basic one I've done personally is to be my own secretary and to write notes during pretty much every discussion I have with everyone. [17:12:31] Unless it's IRC. [17:12:40] In which case, it's all written down already! : D [17:13:35] I see. For me, it would be keeping a mental track of the conversation while jotting down all the points that'd be relevant for the future [17:13:54] Is this something along the lines of what we require"/ [17:14:39] It can really be anything that you thought was a useful habit or strategy during the course of this project. [17:14:56] I see. [17:14:57] But it should address some specified problem. [17:15:17] So you need to think about why the habit is useful. [17:15:27] Here is something I wrote up during Wikimania: [17:15:28] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Learning_patterns/New_users_are_afraid_of_doing_something_wrong [17:15:45] (It's not complete, but you'll get an idea) [17:16:05] As a sample, can you send me your Learning Pattern write-up when you're done, Chris? [17:16:49] I'll have a much clearer understanding of how our learning patterns would be, that way [17:17:27] I think the one above should illustrate it pretty well. [17:17:31] If not, there are tons of others. [17:17:32] Hang on. [17:17:43] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Learning_patterns [17:17:52] Cool, thanks [17:18:34] Just check out some on this page-- they should give you information you need to get started. [17:18:47] Will do. [17:19:00] Soni_WP - Anything else about the midpoint? [17:19:02] I_Jethrobot, I'm low on time at the moment, so is there anything else you want me to look at? [17:19:29] Soni_WP - No, that will be all for now. If you need to head out, that's completely fine. : ) [17:19:43] Feel free to e-mail me when it's convenient if you have other questions. [17:20:21] Gotcha.Thanks I_Jethrobot [17:20:25] See you later :) [17:20:59] Take care!