[17:41:20] Hi bot [17:41:30] Here are the logs from before [17:41:37] Topic for #wpmentorship set by tos2!~tos@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni (Thu Jun 19 17:58:25 2014) [17:41:37] [23:31:46] Hey I_Jethrobot [17:41:37] [23:32:02] Sorry I'm a couple minutes late [17:41:37] [23:32:04] * You are now known as tos [17:41:37] [23:33:45] tos2 - Hey Soni. [17:41:37] [23:33:51] oops. [17:41:41] [23:34:06] tos - Got it, no problem. : ) [17:41:43] [23:34:33] So what are we doing today? :) [17:41:45] [23:35:13] Well, I just got the formatting done for the pamphlet... [17:41:47] [23:35:48] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gkepurS0kezR4pTS_yDdN_bl0_sQ_EmynZ2fqhKheVY/edit [17:41:50] [23:35:54] That's also in the folder. [17:41:52] [23:36:36] Right. [17:41:54] [23:36:48] Before we begin, I have a quick Question. [17:41:56] [23:37:22] Do you think we will need so many sides for the pamphlet? [17:41:58] [23:38:09] Yeah, I had been thinking about that. [17:42:00] [23:39:25] * Disconnected (No such device or address) [17:42:02] [23:40:23] * Now talking on #wpmentorship [17:42:04] [23:40:23] * Topic for #wpmentorship is: Work is in progess! | https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Reimagining_Wikipedia_Mentorship | Leave feedback at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:IEG/Reimagining_Wikipedia_Mentorship | Logs at http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23wpmentorship/ [17:42:08] [23:40:23] * Topic for #wpmentorship set by tos2!~tos@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni (Thu Jun 19 17:58:25 2014) [17:42:13] [23:40:32] But actually, I think we should talk mock-ups today as Gabe has sent those examples. [17:42:16] [23:40:44] Hey, did you miss some of what I said? [17:42:18] [23:40:53] Ugh, yet another dc. Let me check logs [17:42:20] [23:41:41] Weird, no logs :/ [17:42:22] [23:42:01] I just read " Yeah, I had been thinking about that." before I got dced [17:42:24] [23:42:09] Here is what I said after: [17:42:26] [23:42:10] Andnow I must bring a bot in here. [17:42:28] [23:42:18] Right, what was it [17:42:30] [23:42:23] [13:08] I_Jethrobot I figure we can start with a lot of space to work with, but we can always reduce the number of pages as we go. [17:42:33] [23:42:25] [13:08] I_Jethrobot If we need to. [17:42:35] [23:42:26] [13:09] I_Jethrobot Some pamphlets leave a page blank, too. [17:42:37] [23:42:47] * tos has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [17:42:41] [23:42:49] Right. [17:42:43] [23:42:52] * You are now known as tos [18:55:38] Seems like the full logs werent transferred so here is another shot [18:55:41] Hi bot [18:56:02] [23:42:49] Right. [18:56:02] [23:42:52] * You are now known as tos [18:56:02] [23:44:22] So is it mockups or pamphlets? [18:56:02] [23:44:27] I_Jethrobot, ^ [18:56:02] [23:44:36] Mock-ups firt. [18:56:03] [23:44:38] first* [18:56:05] [23:44:43] Got it [18:56:07] [23:44:46] So, open up those documents your way. [18:56:09] [23:44:53] documents that I forwarded* [18:56:11] [23:45:46] Yep [18:56:13] [23:47:19] Ready when you are... [18:56:17] [23:47:35] So, reading these examples over, what we need to do is be very specific about what editors sees and does each step of the way during mentorship. Obviously actual mentorship itself will differ depending on the skill and mentor, but everything else we need to describe. [18:56:21] [23:47:48] what editors see and do* [18:56:23] [23:48:20] Right. [18:56:25] [23:49:11] So we'll need to start thinking of the specific events that will happen at the Co-op. [18:56:28] [23:49:35] Hmmm. Here are the ones I can see. [18:56:30] [23:49:36] Sort of like how the "New Resident User Site Flow" has at the top of that Word document. [18:56:33] [23:49:44] 1) Editor makes profile [18:56:35] [23:49:58] (Both mentor and mentee workflow) [18:56:37] [23:50:05] Ah, right. [18:56:39] [23:50:20] 2) Mentee chooses first lesson/gets first lesson assigned [18:56:41] [23:51:02] 3) An appropriate mentor is selected and pinged. Once mentor confirms availablity, lesson can begin [18:56:46] [23:51:44] 4) Mentor teaches and completes lesson [Not to be discussed in workflow?] [18:56:48] [23:52:24] 5) Once lesson is done, mentee may be suggested tasks they can do [By mentor or by system?] [18:56:51] [23:52:58] 6) Learner selects next lesson based on recommendations/mentor suggestion/initial stated goal [18:56:54] [23:53:20] Alright, this is good so far. I'll get a document started to list these out. [18:56:57] [23:53:39] 7) Badge.. err.. I mean stickers are given the learner for completion of lesson [Again not in workflow? Bot handled I suppose] [18:57:00] [23:53:52] hah. [18:57:15] I_Jethrobot, Hello [18:57:25] tos2 - Hey! [18:57:31] I was just copypasting the logs from before [18:57:36] Seems like the bot is working :) [18:57:40] It was a little funny coming and seeing our previous chat come up. : ) [18:57:56] Great! Thanks for checking up on that. [18:58:01] How are you doing? [18:58:34] Did your move back to college go relatively smoothly? [18:58:36] I'm doing great. Completely settled for the next few months. Well, almost :) [18:58:58] It did. The first week has been exhausting but its easing up [18:59:30] (If you give me a minute, I'll just copypaste the rest of the logs. You might want to turn your hexchat ping off for this) [18:59:40] Hi again bot. [18:59:42] [23:53:20] Alright, this is good so far. I'll get a document started to list these out. [18:59:42] [23:53:39] 7) Badge.. err.. I mean stickers are given the learner for completion of lesson [Again not in workflow? Bot handled I suppose] [18:59:42] [23:53:52] hah. [18:59:42] [23:54:20] ... Or just mentor handled. In which case we might need a workflow [18:59:43] [23:56:28] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hjvXTH8W0smrnRu6v7erby344hRxk0gQuzFIFEF4xDM/edit [18:59:48] [23:56:44] Badges would be mentored, but we will need a workflow for them. [18:59:50] [23:57:04] Right. [18:59:53] [23:57:35] Just from a basic outline, I can see that the mentorship space will look quite different for a mentor and mentee. [18:59:55] [23:57:59] Certainly! [18:59:57] [23:58:02] So we might have to look into both sides for nearly task. [18:59:59] [23:58:22] Should we make separate mock-ups for the learner and mentor, then? [19:00:01] [23:58:27] Yes. [19:00:03] [23:58:31] I think [19:00:05] [23:58:41] For example, 1.a) Mentor decides/makes lesson plan for all lessons they are planning to teach [19:00:08] [23:59:24] This 1.a will have to be done when mentor joins the program rather than when a mentee joins up [19:00:11] [23:59:36] Yeah, that makes sense. [19:00:13] [23:59:59] I_Jethrobot, I dont have access (Mail id the.original.soni@gmail.com) [19:00:17] [00:00:16] Ah, OK. [19:00:19] [00:00:40] I did just move them to the Reimagining Mentorship folder. [19:00:25] [00:00:43] Let me see... [19:00:25] [00:07:20] tos - Hm... [19:00:25] [00:07:42] It's not part of the immediate space, yeah. [19:00:27] [00:10:04] I_Jethrobot, yes? [19:00:29] [00:10:47] The invite is going to be important though, as it will be an extension of the space (i.e. it will be themed in line with our space) [19:00:32] [00:11:04] Agreed. [19:00:34] [00:11:26] I_Jethrobot, I believe these wont be our UX. [19:00:36] [00:11:55] I said these points as the headings under which we would have to make a separate UX for each. [19:00:39] [00:12:15] ^ Thats what I thought. These are the 4-5 major points which we'll expand. [19:00:41] [00:12:53] Ah, I see. [19:00:43] [00:13:27] OK,we'll scrap #1 for now. [19:00:47] [00:14:31] Either way makes sense to me, so we can continue whichever way seems best to you [19:00:49] [00:17:17] OK. [19:00:51] [00:17:23] So, this is a good level to start with. [19:00:53] [00:17:32] Right. [19:00:55] [00:17:48] What's next? [19:00:59] [00:18:35] Now, we need think about what these choices look like-- buttons, menus, lists. We've done some of that already (e.g. pinging a mentor, clicking a button) [19:01:00] [00:19:22] Btw I just added the initial point for learner (Learner joins space) [19:01:02] [00:19:23] That is, the tool by which someone makes these decisions. These won't be set in stone, but they are something we should have some ideas about for when we discuss them with our designer and developer. [19:01:06] [00:19:36] Right. [19:01:08] [00:19:36] Good, thanks. [19:01:10] [00:19:54] So, it's fine if these end up changing drastically. [19:01:12] [00:21:41] Gotcha. [19:01:16] [00:22:04] So do we start expanding on these points now or is it a task for later/next meeting? [19:01:19] [00:23:42] Yeah, I think we can work on that on our own through the week. [19:01:20] [00:23:59] Briefly, let's talk about the pamphlet. [19:01:26] [00:24:20] Got it. I'll probably not get enough time for it, but I'll try to squeeze some in through my packing-and-moving. [19:01:27] [00:24:22] (I actually another meeting with Gabe here in the next 7-8 minutes or so.) [19:01:33] [00:24:43] That's fine. Gabe may have some interest in working on this as well. [19:01:33] [00:25:07] Can we divide the work, I_Jethrobot? That way I can work on my side of the mock ups while offline. [19:01:33] [00:25:21] Sure. [19:01:34] [00:25:22] Do you want to handle the mentor side? [19:01:36] [00:25:34] Yes. [19:01:38] [00:26:19] I_Jethrobot, So pamphlets? [19:01:40] [00:26:20] * Disconnected (An established connection was aborted by the software in your host machine) [19:01:43] [00:26:48] * Now talking on #wpmentorship [19:01:47] [00:27:25] Ugh, i hate it. Last thing I see was "[00:25:34] Yes. [19:01:49] [00:27:25] [00:26:19] I_Jethrobot, So pamphlets?" [19:01:51] [00:28:50] [13:55] I_Jethrobot OK, I'll let you focus on expanding that. [19:01:53] [00:28:52] [13:55] I_Jethrobot Gabe and I will focus on the learner side this week. [19:01:55] [00:29:12] Ugh, let's not worry about pamphlets today. [19:01:57] [00:29:49] What's your availability the rest of this week? [19:01:59] [00:29:57] Got it. If you get any work done on the learner side in the next 2 days, I'll know what I need to do for the mentors [19:02:02] [00:30:07] I know you want to pack and all, so I don't want to monopolize your time! [19:02:04] [00:31:10] I am pretty busy the rest of the weeks. I will be free tonight but will end up taking a lot of time sorting through all my stuff and finishing preparation for London. [19:02:07] [00:31:14] *week [19:02:09] [00:31:35] So will it be possible for you to discuss pamphlets later tonight? [19:02:11] [00:31:57] I can. [19:02:13] [00:31:58] Let me see... [19:02:17] [00:32:21] I might be able to make tomorrow, but will need a bit of juggling I'll prefer to avoid [19:02:20] [00:33:45] Tonight for me = Anytime in the next 5-6 hours [19:02:23] [00:34:13] I'll be unavailable between 21:30 today and 3:00 UTC tomorrow. [19:02:25] [00:34:27] But before or after I can do. [19:02:26] [00:35:01] Er, make that 3:30 UTC. [19:02:28] [00:35:26] 21:30 sounds fine to me. [19:02:30] [00:36:11] What I mean is that I'll be unavailable starting at 21:30. [19:02:32] [00:36:26] But I can meet at 20:30 [19:02:34] [00:36:39] Oh, my bad. [19:02:36] [00:36:48] I throught you will be available starting at 21:30 [19:02:38] [00:37:24] I have a drum class I go to that's kind of far off (I have to bike there). [19:02:40] [00:37:32] I'll be gone for an hour I think. After that, I'm available. How does that sound? [19:02:42] [00:37:38] Right, got it [19:02:46] [00:37:41] That's fine. [19:02:48] [00:37:53] So, I'll you in an hour? [19:02:50] [00:37:56] Yes [19:02:52] [00:37:57] I'll see* [19:02:54] [00:38:22] OK, sounds good. [19:02:56] [00:41:38] * Gabe (4a5c0289@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.92.2.137) has joined [19:02:58] [00:43:32] Hey Gabe! [19:03:00] [00:43:46] Hi Jethro [19:03:02] [00:43:51] Im going to start a new document [19:03:04] [00:43:58] Fantastic. [19:03:06] [00:44:14] I actually need to e-mail Steven about our interview sample parameters. [19:03:08] [00:44:28] So, let me send that off real fast, I just was finishing it up. [19:03:10] [00:44:37] ok [19:03:12] [00:45:39] ok new document should be available to in the group gdoc folder [19:03:16] [00:46:51] Excellent. Thanks. [19:03:18] [00:49:21] what do you think about organizing all questions by learners and mentors? [19:03:20] [00:53:14] Hang on, just a sec... [19:03:22] [00:56:16] Gabe - OK, done. [19:03:24] [00:56:23] OK, so for organizing these... [19:03:26] [00:58:04] and we can indicate which appear to be distinctly qual or quant, otherwise they can assume to be both [19:03:29] [00:58:14] *we can assume [19:03:31] [00:58:18] .... [19:03:33] [00:58:40] Yeah, I was thinking of that kind of system. [19:03:35] [00:59:02] The other thing is that we could sort them based on the broad RQs Aaron threw out there at our last meeting. [19:03:38] [00:59:32] Right [19:03:40] [00:59:41] and break that down by learner and mentor? [19:03:42] [01:01:25] Well, can I ask how that's different than what's on the existing RQ docu? [19:03:46] [01:01:26] document* [19:03:48] [01:02:36] each group could have distinct behaviors that relate to their participation in the project. [19:03:51] [01:03:16] as such I am interested in organizing the research questions around each group [19:03:53] [01:05:05] OK, let's roll with that, then. [19:03:55] [01:08:17] I guess the only concern I have is how well we are able to capture the events with that system, but as they all involve mentors and learners in some capacity, it's probably more doable than I am initially thinking/ [19:03:59] [01:32:59] And back. [19:04:01] [01:33:01] Welp! [19:04:03] [01:35:36] tos - Hey. [19:04:05] [01:36:07] Hey I_Jethrobot [19:04:07] [01:38:22] tos - Gabe and I are working on refining our RQs... [19:04:09] [01:38:24] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z8V-AX68O9qtILuAdWg_BpunFsTskb6qpsy61M9y1cE/edit# [19:04:12] [01:38:42] But I'll be finishing up soon so we can focus on pamphlets. [19:04:16] [01:39:51] Gotcha. Ping me once you're done [19:04:18] [01:50:03] tos - OK, ready to go. [19:04:20] [01:51:40] Right. Before we begin, can you let me know what expactly are we planning to achieve by the pamphlets I_Jethrobot? [19:04:23] [01:51:56] Once we have the goal in mind, it will be a lot clearer to complete the rest of it [19:04:25] [01:52:51] Yeah, so a couple of things... [19:04:27] [01:53:17] 1) Invite interested folks in mentoring for the pilot [19:04:29] [01:54:02] 2) Convey the intentions of the space (i.e. why we're doing this) [19:04:31] [01:54:35] 3) Just getting the name of this space out there so the community recognizes it and knows what we're about. [19:04:34] [01:55:05] Right. [19:04:36] [01:55:06] 4) Some concrete information about data or information we've collected so far. [19:04:39] [01:55:23] (Like the diagnostic survey that Gabe conducted during our proposal.) [19:04:41] [01:55:37] (Or some of the research we mention in the proposal itself.) [19:04:43] [01:56:17] Got it. Is there anything else you had in mind, I_Jethrobot? [19:04:47] [01:57:54] Yeah, I think a last point is just informing folks who is involved with this space. [19:04:50] [01:59:13] Understood. [19:04:52] [02:00:56] So let's figure out what's going where, page-wise. [19:04:54]