[19:09:38] tos - Hey Soni. Sorry, I am super late. [19:09:49] Hey I_Jethrobot. [19:10:03] I was just about to ping you on Gmail [19:10:22] tos - I was actually working on getting our space on en.wiki setup and publicizing our first report and lost track of time! [19:10:43] But I feel just awful making you sit here and wait! : ( [19:11:17] Ah [19:11:21] Okay. [19:11:50] In any case, let's down to business. [19:11:52] So what's our plan for today? [19:13:02] So, today we'll do mock-ups and start thinking about what the process is going to look like for editors getting started in the Co-op. [19:13:10] Right [19:13:24] For better or for worse though, mock-ups is going to be short. [19:13:30] So, I talked with Gabe. [19:13:35] Showed him our stuff. [19:14:42] It's not really what he had in mind...the mock-ups should actually be quite detailed and show all options at a given step along the way. [19:14:53] In what sense? [19:15:21] Right, so he said he would send me some examples of what that looks like, because he has helped make some of these in the past. [19:15:33] Unfortunately, I havent' gotten them yet, but I did e-mail him earlier today. [19:15:45] Once I get them, I'll forward them to you as well. [19:15:54] Right. [19:16:03] By any chance did he see the map too? [19:16:23] Yes, he did. Once he talked about the need to see all options, I showed him your diagram. [19:16:27] Because I'm thinking there's a chance that might be similar to what he thought, only in text. [19:16:29] Right. [19:16:37] (This was before you revised it.) [19:16:56] Gotcha. Both maps are the same, only spaced out. [19:17:13] So was it similar to what he planned? [19:17:25] And yes, it did address the "options" aspect, but for a developer who these mock-ups are intended for, he thought it would be difficult to read. [19:17:48] There were also some other aspects I think missing from his conception of a mock-up. [19:17:58] Like? [19:19:04] We didn't go into much detail, and I think seeing these examples will make that self-evident, but I think it's much more step-by-step, with a lot of detail at each step. [19:19:37] Sorry I can't be more specific, we didn't have a lot of time yesterday [19:19:40] Right. [19:20:10] No worries, I got a brief idea about what is planned, so I'm sure once I see the mockups from him, it will be more self evident anyway [19:22:37] So, we'll wait on Gabe before we revise those. [19:22:51] Right. So what is our plan for today then? [19:23:02] There's no immediate rush on these mock-ups for now, but we will need them soon after we hire our developer. [19:24:05] So, I wanted to talk about the process by which editors are going to get started. What does that process look like conceptually, because I don't think we've actually spelled that out so far. [19:24:18] Got it. When do you expect that to happen, approximately? (Hiring the developer) [19:24:31] You mean like a design schematic? [19:24:43] We've been working on these different components like profiles and skills and matching without actually tying them altogether explicitly. [19:24:47] Correct. [19:24:58] Got it. [19:25:05] (I hope to have a developer hired by Early August.) [19:25:35] Are we going to work on a backend-of-sorts (How things fit into each other) or the actual "How does the space look" [19:27:58] The latter. [19:28:10] Ah, okay. [19:28:46] How do you suggest we start? [19:29:31] Also, what should I do with my unformatted mockup? Should I keep it or transport it to the original doc? [19:29:46] You can transport it over if you're able. [19:30:25] As for where to start, let's start at the beginning-- the landing page. What do we want this to look like? [19:30:47] Right. I wanted you to check it first, which is why i decided not to transport. Making the change now. [19:31:00] It's OK, we can check it there too. [19:31:13] By landing page, you mean what a new learner sees, right? [19:31:20] What do we want to place on the front, and make immediately visible to learners? [19:31:22] Yeah. [19:32:17] Right. [19:32:23] Let me think for a couple minutes. [19:32:35] Sure, no problem. [19:33:42] Should we check any of the preexisting welcome pages first or do that once we get a fair idea of how we want it to look? [19:36:58] *welcome pages for preexisting locations [19:37:02] I think looking at other welcome pages / landing pages is definitely a good place for us to start.. [19:40:08] Alright. Lets both go through some of the current pages and note down what we think. Does that seem like a good plan? [19:41:40] Sure, I have the Teahouse and IdeaLab in front me. Some other places that might be good are Adopt-a-user, WP:TWA... [19:42:41] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Education_program [19:49:22] tos - So one thing based on IdeaLab and the Teahouse is that they show profiles up-front, and I do like that as a way to demonstrate the people using and interacting in the space [19:49:56] Right. I noted the same. I like that concept [19:50:54] Education program has a simplicity that I really love. Everything is self explanatory. I would ideally love to implement similarly in Co-op (Minimalism) [19:55:12] Yeah, I agree that the approach we take should not be too saturated. [19:57:00] One of the other great design works about Idealab was that it kept the most important parts as the most highlighted, so one would automatically check it. [19:59:00] So when a learner comes to the Co-op, we want to make sure we limit the amount of info we present, but we're also interested in including profiles. [19:59:13] So, we'll need to make sure the profiles are presented in a basic manner. [19:59:36] We'll be getting a lot of info about learners and mentors, but we don't need to include all of that on the front page. [19:59:51] Yes, agreed. [20:00:11] I suppose only the "about me" sections will be most relevant, right? [20:07:23] Yeah, I think so. [20:07:37] And of course information like their username and possibly an image. [20:08:08] And a "Mentor/Learner" written right beside it [20:08:12] Yeah. [20:08:24] It may actually be less "about me" and more about "what I want to do" [20:08:55] Although there is some overlap between the two. [20:09:02] I preferably want to focus on the "people" aspect more than the "What I do" aspect, but both could work well [20:10:20] Another thing that we'll need is a succinct description, right in front of the learner who sees the page. CO-OP is a lot less self explanatory so we need an immediate connect between what he location is and what we're planning to do [20:14:19] Agreed. [20:14:54] Looks like I was dced. Let me check if I missed anything [20:15:08] You didn't, you're good. [20:15:21] Gotcha. [20:15:26] Unfortunately, I need to head out. We'll pick up this next and hopefully be able to focus on the mock-ups as well. [20:15:49] Again, thanks for waiting on me today. [20:15:52] Right. [20:15:58] No worries I_Jethrobot. [20:16:12] When's our next meeting? The all member meeting, right? [20:16:32] tos - Correct. I'll see you tomorrow. [20:16:57] Have you sent out the invites for the meeting? [20:17:05] Because I still dont see the timing [20:17:16] I have...let me resend it to you. [20:17:38] You're actually marked down as saying "yes" to the invite... [20:18:00] Ah. That might be why I dont have it in unread mails [20:18:45] Nope, dont see it. I_Jethrobot can you resend please? [20:20:21] tos - OK, sent. [20:21:01] I_Jethrobot, Just confirming, its at 16:00 UTC, right? [20:21:22] That's correct. [20:21:22] Like 19.5 hours from now [20:21:25] Gotcha [20:21:49] Alright Soni, I have to head out. [20:21:51] Take care! [20:22:05] Bye!