[00:02:03] <TomT0m>	 ok, it might be a race condition into password reading on file on several instances
[00:03:27] <TomT0m>	 with open(config.password_file) as password_f: would solve that if any luck ...
[00:08:41] <GerardM>	 lbenedix1 if you can do that with Magnus's that would be awesome... that data is ten minutes old at max ..
[00:09:16] <GerardM>	 I do not see how this can be done (the sorting that is)
[00:47:39] <GerardM>	 I have been playing with the query of Magnus ... I failed so far
[03:31:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: "(1 comment)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92636 (owner: 10Addshore)
[05:57:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 04-1] "(2 comments)" [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93056 (owner: 10Addshore)
[06:13:41] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Move Entity specific classes into EntityStore NS [extensions/WikibaseQueryEngine] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93427 
[06:13:48] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Move Entity specific classes into EntityStore NS [extensions/WikibaseQueryEngine] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93427 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[06:18:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: "Jenkins is currently failing for no good reason. Disabled by https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/93428/" [extensions/WikibaseQueryEngine] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93427 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[07:18:47] <GerardM>	 good morning
[07:46:14] <GerardM>	 http://208.80.153.172/wdq/?q=claim[31:5,31:215627,107:215627]_AND_noclaim[after[570,201309]] the noclaim part is wrong ... how do I get it right
[08:01:05] <GerardM>	 http://208.80.153.172/api?q=BETWEEN[570,2013-09,2014]
[08:22:09] <hsarrazin>	 hello everybody, don't know if it's been signaled… yet ;)
[08:23:23] <hsarrazin>	 in Wikidata usefuls, when the date of birth and death are collected from de, the automatic import gives a bug "wrong format"…
[08:25:24] <GerardM>	 hsarrazin what bot are you using ?
[08:25:49] <GerardM>	 the problem is NOT with Wikidata but with the bot ... 
[08:27:25] <GerardM>	 it may have to do with the language the bot is using... the de spelling of a date IS different from and en spelling
[08:28:52] <lbenedix>	 hsarrazin: do you have an example?
[09:03:52] <hsarrazin>	 GerardM: I use the Wikidata usefuls script… I notified the bug on the tool page :)
[09:04:25] <GerardM>	 do you have an URL
[09:05:22] <hsarrazin>	 lbenedix: Q1435323 for ex. - any person item with only de link would probably give the same result :)
[09:06:34] <lbenedix>	 the date of birth is the same as in dewiki
[09:07:52] <GerardM>	 indeed
[09:09:02] <hsarrazin>	 yes… when you try to import the date of birth with the Wikidata usefuls tool, it gives an error message…
[09:09:40] <GerardM>	 but it is already there ... ???
[09:09:42] <hsarrazin>	 you may see it now, I just did it… 
[09:09:48] <GerardM>	 by hand ??
[09:09:52] <hsarrazin>	 I had to put it by hand…
[09:10:03] <GerardM>	 ok that makes it a bad example :)
[09:10:11] <hsarrazin>	 because of the error message… refresh the page, please…
[09:11:23] <lbenedix>	 seems to be a problem with the gadget
[09:11:29] <hsarrazin>	 GerardM: the second value is the one added by the tool… an error message… "The value does not comply with the property's definition."
[09:11:58] <hsarrazin>	 lbenedix: yes, that's why I put a message on the tool page, after coming here ;)
[09:12:38] <hsarrazin>	 I think Magnus can fix it (Magnus can fix almost anything ;D )
[09:12:47] <lbenedix>	 ;)
[09:13:00] <hsarrazin>	 lbenedix: a question, please ?
[09:13:45] <hsarrazin>	 I did not work here for some time - a few months ago, there was the property "Commons category", and now there is also a link to Commons in the bottom of the page…
[09:14:03] <hsarrazin>	 what is the difference between the 2, please ?
[09:14:29] <hsarrazin>	 should I complete the "Commons" link, or will bots automatically add the Commons Cat if it exists ?
[09:24:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: "(1 comment)" [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/91179 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[09:30:34] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hashar: morning! So how far are we from being able to install stuff with Composer on Jenkins?
[09:35:16] <hashar>	 JeroenDeDauw: hello
[09:35:32] <hashar>	 no clue, got to find a way to add composer on the Jenkins machine
[09:35:40] <hashar>	 and figure out the commands that needs to be added in Jenkins jobs
[09:38:35] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Henning Snater: Introduced toolbarcontroller.destroyToolbar function [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93441 
[09:39:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Draft2) 10Henning Snater: Initializing toolbar controller before entity view [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92860 
[09:39:10] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Draft6) 10Henning Snater: Simplified toolbarcontroller.definition [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93029 
[09:51:35] <lbenedix>	 there were some stats about how many interwikilinks were replaced by wikidata
[09:51:46] <lbenedix>	 I think Denny wrote an article about this
[10:01:44] <Tobi_WMDE>	 Lydia_WMDE: DanielK_WMDE_ we're missing our external microphone. you're joining the daily?
[10:01:54] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Tobi_WMDE: yes
[10:02:06] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Tobi_WMDE: will probably be ok without
[10:12:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS13) 10Henning Snater: Implemented referenceview movetoolbar definition [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89007 
[10:15:40] <Tobi_WMDE>	 DanielK_WMDE_: quantity UI is in since friday. :)
[10:43:23] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hashar: wget http://getcomposer.org/composer.phar
[10:43:25] <JeroenDeDauw>	 php composer.phar install
[10:43:38] <JeroenDeDauw>	 :)
[10:51:52] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Tobi_WMDE: http://xprogramming.com/articles/what-is-scrum-and-why-does-it-matter/
[11:17:26] <nikki>	 how *are* we supposed to make interwiki links work for things like https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristiansands_kommun where the english page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristiansand but I can't link that because that's already linked to https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristiansand ?
[11:31:54] <lbenedix>	 are the error messages in the UI logged anywhere?
[11:32:07] <lbenedix>	 the red boxes like "An error occurred while trying to perform save and because of this, your changes could not be completed."
[11:32:30] <hoo>	 lbenedix: append debug=true to the URL you're viewing and open your browser's error console
[11:32:47] <hoo>	 they should show up there (at least I build that in a 1000 years back)
[11:32:56] <lbenedix>	 I talk about logging it at you side
[11:33:08] <lbenedix>	 does wikidata know what errors the user make?
[11:33:21] <hoo>	 I doubt it
[11:36:10] <lbenedix>	 would be nice to know for further development regarding the usabilty...
[11:36:50] <hoo>	 mh
[11:39:06] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] Keep track of reference's index in referenceview [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89004 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[11:39:17] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] Implemented referenceview movetoolbar definition [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89007 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[11:42:45] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Keep track of reference's index in referenceview [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89004 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[11:45:47] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Implemented referenceview movetoolbar definition [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89007 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[11:58:58] <Tobi_WMDE>	 zeljkof: hey, can you send me the hangout link or add it to the calendar. don't have one..
[11:59:08] <zeljkof>	 I just did
[11:59:14] <zeljkof>	 a minute or so ago
[11:59:25] <zeljkof>	 if you refresh the calendar you should see the link
[11:59:33] <Tobi_WMDE>	 thx!
[11:59:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Henning Snater: TimeInput expert: Updating input extender content only when active [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93459 
[12:09:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS6) 10Henning Snater: Removed unnecessary nodes from "wb-statement" template [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92651 
[12:09:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS7) 10Henning Snater: Simplified toolbarcontroller.definition [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93029 
[12:09:26] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Henning Snater: Initializing toolbar controller before entity view [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92860 
[12:09:27] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS6) 10Henning Snater: Removed "toolbarParentSelector" option from toolbarbase widget [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92652 
[12:09:28] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Henning Snater: Removed default event handler generation from toolbarcontroller [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92627 
[12:09:29] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Henning Snater: Introduced toolbarcontroller.destroyToolbar function [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93441 
[12:09:47] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Simplified toolbarcontroller.definition [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93029 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[12:10:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Initializing toolbar controller before entity view [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92860 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[12:12:01] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Introduced toolbarcontroller.destroyToolbar function [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93441 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[12:24:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Zfilipin: Updated Ruby gems [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93463 
[12:41:58] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032 V: 032] Updated Ruby gems [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93463 (owner: 10Zfilipin)
[12:52:48] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Henning Snater: Removed interactionWidgetName option from "addtoolbar" widget [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93460 
[12:52:57] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Removed interactionWidgetName option from "addtoolbar" widget [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93460 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[13:00:23] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 032] Remove use of deprecated apibase result methods [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92636 (owner: 10Addshore)
[13:03:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Update Ruby gems [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93467 
[13:07:06] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS7) 10Henning Snater: Removed unnecessary nodes from "wb-statement" template [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92651 
[13:07:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS7) 10Henning Snater: Removed "toolbarParentSelector" option from toolbarbase widget [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92652 
[13:07:08] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS6) 10Henning Snater: Removed default event handler generation from toolbarcontroller [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92627 
[13:08:26] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] TimeInput expert: Updating input extender content only when active [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93459 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[13:08:49] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032 V: 032] Update Ruby gems [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93467 (owner: 10Tobias Gritschacher)
[13:09:18] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 04-1] "(3 comments)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84990 (owner: 10Addshore)
[13:09:41] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: TimeInput expert: Updating input extender content only when active [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93459 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[13:10:06] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Henning Snater: Initializing toolbar controller before entity view [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92860 
[13:10:34] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS8) 10Henning Snater: Simplified toolbarcontroller.definition [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93029 
[13:10:40] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Henning Snater: Introduced toolbarcontroller.destroyToolbar function [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93441 
[13:13:55] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Henning Snater: Introduced toolbarcontroller.destroyToolbar function [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93441 
[13:14:43] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Henning Snater: Removed interactionWidgetName option from "addtoolbar" widget [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93460 
[13:16:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 04-1] "(4 comments)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72909 (owner: 10Pragunbhutani)
[13:20:33] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 04-1] "Please add tests for both modes in CLaimSerializerTest, etc" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92916 (owner: 10Addshore)
[13:23:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Draft2) 10Henning Snater: Re-focus "add" button after having added/cancelled adding a claim [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93465 
[13:31:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 04-1] "(4 comments)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92873 (owner: 10Addshore)
[13:32:40] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS8) 10Henning Snater: Removed unnecessary nodes from "wb-statement" template [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92651 
[13:34:45] <lazowik>	 ykhm https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/82637/
[13:35:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: "(3 comments)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89607 (owner: 10Bene)
[13:36:22] <lazowik>	 DanielK_WMDE_: ^ :)
[13:39:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 04-1] "(2 comments)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92648 (owner: 10Aude)
[13:41:39] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS8) 10Henning Snater: Removed "toolbarParentSelector" option from toolbarbase widget [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92652 
[13:41:41] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 032] Split memcached for Wikibase diff view body content by lang [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92863 (owner: 10Aude)
[13:41:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Henning Snater: Initializing toolbar controller before entity view [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92860 
[13:41:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS9) 10Henning Snater: Simplified toolbarcontroller.definition [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93029 
[13:41:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Henning Snater: Introduced toolbarcontroller.destroyToolbar function [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93441 
[13:41:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Henning Snater: Removed interactionWidgetName option from "addtoolbar" widget [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93460 
[13:42:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Henning Snater: Re-focus "add" button after having added/cancelled adding a claim [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93465 
[13:42:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 032] "whooops :)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92849 (owner: 10Addshore)
[13:47:23] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Split memcached for Wikibase diff view body content by lang [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92863 (owner: 10Aude)
[13:49:49] <Tobi_WMDE>	 zeljkof: 
[13:49:55] <Tobi_WMDE>	 zeljkof: good news
[13:50:00] <Tobi_WMDE>	 :)
[13:50:12] <Tobi_WMDE>	 ffi finished building after half an hour
[13:50:25] <Tobi_WMDE>	 submitted & merged the changes already
[13:50:44] <zeljkof>	 :)
[13:50:48] <Tobi_WMDE>	 zeljkof: AND: I figured out the failures
[13:50:54] <zeljkof>	 wow, 30 minutes...
[13:51:03] <zeljkof>	 Tobi_WMDE: what was the problem?
[13:51:31] <Tobi_WMDE>	 while looking at the env.rb in the mediawiki-gem, I realized that BROWSER_LABEL now is mantadory
[13:51:53] <Tobi_WMDE>	 if this variable is not set, it would try to run the browsers locally and not on sauce
[13:51:57] <zeljkof>	 it was always mandatory when not running on local machine
[13:52:15] <zeljkof>	 maybe wikidata had a different version of the code
[13:52:27] <Tobi_WMDE>	 in my version of env.rb I was always falling back to firefox_linux if it was not set
[13:52:37] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hmmm..
[13:52:45] <zeljkof>	 could be
[13:52:50] <Tobi_WMDE>	 I should really look into the gem-code more often
[13:52:55] <Tobi_WMDE>	 :)
[13:52:56] <zeljkof>	 you should :)
[13:53:00] <Tobi_WMDE>	 now it works fine again
[13:53:32] <Tobi_WMDE>	 but in my opinion a default for BROWSER_LABEL would also make sence
[13:53:35] <zeljkof>	 great
[13:53:48] <zeljkof>	 I am not opposed to it
[13:53:52] <Tobi_WMDE>	 but let's discuss this another time
[13:53:59] <zeljkof>	 make a commit and push it to the gem repo :)
[13:53:59] <Tobi_WMDE>	 for now I'm fine
[13:57:55] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 04-1] "this need a manual rebase; probably jenkins will verify then as well." [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89849 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:03:21] <Tobi_WMDE>	 zeljkof: btw. where do I get chromedriver after google.code is no longer offereing downloads?
[14:03:32] <zeljkof>	 let me see
[14:03:41] <zeljkof>	 Tobi_WMDE: I think chromium site now holds it
[14:04:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: use LanguageFallbackChainFacotry option key [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92849 (owner: 10Addshore)
[14:04:06] <zeljkof>	 Here it is http://chromedriver.storage.googleapis.com/index.html
[14:04:20] <zeljkof>	 Tobi_WMDE: ^
[14:05:11] <zeljkof>	 But I do not see windows file for the last release
[14:05:26] <Tobi_WMDE>	 zeljkof: thx!
[14:05:29] <ChristophBraun>	 hi
[14:07:45] <ChristophBraun>	 currently looking for a way to attribute GLAM directors to institutions. using P488 (chairperson) doesn't seem to be a good approach. any thoughts? 
[14:08:47] <addshore>	 DanielK_WMDE_: I love your comment on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/92873/ ! Your the one that told me to just remove the tests ;p
[14:11:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Addshore: "(2 comments)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92873 (owner: 10Addshore)
[14:12:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Addshore: "(2 comments)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84990 (owner: 10Addshore)
[14:14:41] <addshore>	 Tobi_WMDE: JeroenDeDauw >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24803751 >> we should get one/...? :d
[14:16:06] <aude>	 :)
[14:39:56] <lazowik>	 addshore: do you know whether DanielK_WMDE_ is aware that it'd be nice if he reviewed my patch?
[14:40:07] <lazowik>	 then I could stop pinging him :)
[14:40:48] <lazowik>	 (if he's aware)
[14:49:25] <JeroenDeDauw>	 addshore: does it play go?
[14:59:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Trigger re-enabling EditableValue after saving successfully [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92322 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[15:05:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] Trigger re-enabling EditableValue after saving successfully [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92322 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[15:09:19] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Trigger re-enabling EditableValue after saving successfully [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92322 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[15:10:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Draft9) 10Henning Snater: Simplified toolbarcontroller.definition [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93029 
[15:10:37] <GerardM>	 Hoi ... Magnus showed me how  to get a list of the recently departed ... http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2013/11/wikidata-date-of-death-ii.html This utility was new to me ... It is really inspiring to consider what more we can show with this tool.
[15:10:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Draft3) 10Henning Snater: Re-focus "add" button after having added/cancelled adding a reference [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93466 
[15:19:47] * tommorris  thanks Lydia_WMDE for triaging the bugs he's reported. ;)

[15:20:20] <Lydia_WMDE>	 tommorris: hehe you're welcome! I'm at bug 270 of 578 
[15:20:21] <Lydia_WMDE>	 -.-
[15:20:28] <Lydia_WMDE>	 probably not finishing that today
[15:20:55] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Lydia_WMDE: protip: ctrl+a delete
[15:21:09] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: heh i fear that will not improve the situation
[15:21:43] * tommorris  learned the magical keyboard command for "close as wontfix" on his work bug tracker recently.

[15:40:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Bene: "(3 comments)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89607 (owner: 10Bene)
[15:42:15] * addshore  has a billion emaisl from Lydia_WMDE ...

[15:42:40] <Lydia_WMDE>	 addshore: *sniff* sorry - more to come... -.-
[15:42:46] <Lydia_WMDE>	 but probably not today
[15:42:54] <Lydia_WMDE>	 need to get some other stuff done now
[15:42:59] <Lydia_WMDE>	 so taking a break from bugs
[15:43:15] <GerardM>	 <grin> and Lydia_WMDE has emails from all the world to read as well :)
[15:43:18] <addshore>	 my laptop crashed 3 times today while doing the presentation ;p
[15:43:23] <JeroenDeDauw>	 addshore: just have them arrive in a folder "Don't care - send by Lydia"
[15:43:30] <addshore>	 haha !
[15:43:33] * Lydia_WMDE  kicks JeroenDeDauw

[15:43:35] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :P
[15:43:38] <JeroenDeDauw>	 I got 4418 unread mails in my Wikidata folder
[15:43:49] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Lydia_WMDE: you violent barbarian
[15:43:49] <addshore>	 i have no unread emails now :P
[15:43:58] * addshore  marks all from lydia as spam ;p

[15:44:03] <JeroenDeDauw>	 :D
[15:44:11] <Lydia_WMDE>	 you're all meanies! :D
[15:44:45] <addshore>	 [=
[15:44:51] * Lydia_WMDE  goes back to listening to sobby music instead and work on email backlog

[15:45:04] <addshore>	 one day google will just auto filter all emails from you to spam folder all around the world ;p
[15:45:06] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i expect chocolate tomorrow in the office ;-)
[15:45:14] <Lydia_WMDE>	 nah
[15:45:18] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i'll just call denny then
[15:45:18] * addshore  hides the chocolate

[15:45:21] <addshore>	 xD
[15:45:23] <Lydia_WMDE>	 and have him fix it ;-)
[16:20:55] <GerardM>	 Lydia_WMDE: do you prefer chocolade or stroopwafels ?
[16:21:35] <Lydia_WMDE>	 GerardM: i'm weird so unlike seemingly everyone else on this planet i don't like stroopwafels :P
[16:21:39] <Lydia_WMDE>	 so chocolate
[16:23:39] <GerardM>	 Lydia_WMDE: I am told that the world likes stroopwafels.. I do not eat them either
[16:23:58] <Lydia_WMDE>	 GerardM: woah! we should start a club :P
[16:24:25] <GerardM>	 Did you read about Magnus's latest tool ?
[16:24:31] <Lydia_WMDE>	 which one?
[16:24:32] <GerardM>	 it is AWESOME
[16:24:40] <GerardM>	 http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2013/11/wikidata-date-of-death-ii.html
[16:24:45] <lazowik>	 GerardM: maybe you could blog about serious issues discussed at #wikimedia-wikidata :p
[16:25:05] <lazowik>	 (like anti-stroopwafels lobby)
[16:25:35] <Lydia_WMDE>	 GerardM: oh nice
[16:25:44] <GerardM>	 so you want stroopwafels and Lydia_WMDE  wants chocolate ?
[16:25:55] <Lydia_WMDE>	 lazowik: hey hey hey! we're not the anti-stroopwafel lobby ;-)
[16:26:07] <GerardM>	 the cool thing is adding dead people grows the list
[16:26:11] <Lydia_WMDE>	 just the pro-chocolate one
[16:26:16] <GerardM>	 and it does
[16:26:18] <lazowik>	 :D
[16:28:16] <lazowik>	 to be honest I haven't eaten stroowafels yet
[16:28:17] <lazowik>	 at all
[16:28:47] <GerardM>	 they are sickly sweet
[16:30:54] <Lydia_WMDE>	 indeed
[16:31:40] * lazowik  opens up a drawer and grabs a chocolate with 85% of cocoa

[16:37:52] * Lydia_WMDE  looks at lazowik

[16:38:10] <Lydia_WMDE>	 you know you'll need to share this now, right? :D
[16:38:26] <lazowik>	 :D
[16:39:32] <lazowik>	 Lydia_WMDE: could you poke DanielK_WMDE_ a bit for me?
[16:39:46] <Lydia_WMDE>	 lazowik: about which patches?
[16:39:53] <Lydia_WMDE>	 links would rock
[16:39:59] <lazowik>	 I've got only one :p
[16:40:03] <lazowik>	 a sec.
[16:40:04] * Lydia_WMDE  looks

[16:40:11] <lazowik>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/82637/
[16:40:25] <lazowik>	 it's not that I want it that quick
[16:40:34] <Lydia_WMDE>	 lazowik: noted - will do
[16:40:45] <lazowik>	 I just want him to know that it'd be nice if he reviewed
[16:40:46] <lazowik>	 thanks
[16:41:00] <Lydia_WMDE>	 np
[16:41:25] <Lydia_WMDE>	 he's pretty busy unfortunately though so i'll see if someone else can review it also when i am in the office tomorrow
[16:41:42] <lazowik>	 mhm
[16:41:52] <lazowik>	 I figured from his responsivness :p
[16:41:57] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hehe
[16:42:01] <Lydia_WMDE>	 happens unfortunately
[16:42:09] <lazowik>	 addshore told me that Tobi_WMDE is the one to ask
[16:42:16] <Lydia_WMDE>	 otoh it means that you'll all get numbers sooner :)
[16:42:51] <lazowik>	 hmm?
[16:42:57] <lazowik>	 I'm not sure I understood...
[16:43:12] <Lydia_WMDE>	 one of the things daniel is busy with is the numbers datatype
[16:43:22] <lazowik>	 ah
[16:43:34] <lazowik>	 great :)
[17:03:51] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS7) 10Daniel Kinzler: Introducing QuantityParser and DecimalParser [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89849 
[17:04:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: "rebased" [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89849 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[17:05:13] <GerardM>	 en.wp articles in the Wikipedia namespace cannot be linked in Wikidata or can they ?
[17:05:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: "Note: when reviewing this, please make sure this works as expected with the new UI component for quantity values." [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89849 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[17:08:07] <lazowik>	 GerardM: I think they can actually
[17:08:47] <lazowik>	 but there is some (probably unwritten) rule not to mix namespaces in links
[17:19:11] <GerardM>	 lazowik the issue is that what is essentially an international project is based on en.wp
[17:19:40] <GerardM>	 when the page is known in Wikidata other Wikipedias can roll their own page in their own language
[17:36:02] <lazowik>	 GerardM: you mean mimicking en.wp's Wikipedia: namespace that way?
[17:47:34] <GerardM>	 lazowik yes
[17:47:47] <lazowik>	 hmm
[17:48:00] <lazowik>	 some policies/pages are common
[17:48:13] <lazowik>	 like badges, notabilisty etc.
[17:48:18] <lazowik>	 *notability
[17:48:30] <lazowik>	 but not all
[17:51:25] <lbenedix>	 are the texts in the incremental dumps?
[18:27:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Amire80: Correct and simplify direction setting for propertyedittool [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93512 
[19:02:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Amire80: Set explicit direction for wb-entity-undefinedinfo [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93518 
[19:54:19] <TomT0m>	 hi, I'm working on the wda python program to export dumps in owl
[19:54:50] <TomT0m>	 I set the url type to xs:simpleURL
[19:55:02] <TomT0m>	 (am I right ?)
[19:55:23] <TomT0m>	 but the globe coordinate datatype is not supported yet
[20:05:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Bene: Add an option in the user preferences to choose additional languages [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89859 
[20:07:06] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE: hi :)
[20:11:49] <Lydia_WMDE>	 benestar: hey :)
[20:12:09] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE: might you poke some devs to review my patches?
[20:12:26] <Lydia_WMDE>	 benestar: will do!
[20:12:41] <benestar>	 there are five of them on gerrit and nowhere a real discussion or even some critic :/
[20:13:00] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sorry about that :(
[20:13:14] <Lydia_WMDE>	 things are crazy at the moment unfortunately 
[20:13:27] <Lydia_WMDE>	 but i'll bump up the prio of your reviews
[20:17:17] <TomT0m>	 what's going on ?
[20:17:33] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE: thanks :)
[20:24:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] (bug 49079) Add an option in the user preferences to choose additional languages [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89859 (owner: 10Bene)
[20:28:02] <hecube>	 Question regarding adding statement to item
[20:28:28] <hecube>	 anyone?
[20:29:37] <lazowik>	 hecube: well, I can try to help :)
[20:30:13] <hecube>	 I have asked our IT dept to install Wikidata for me to tinker with. I can create new items, no problem
[20:30:24] <hecube>	 I can create properties, no problem there either
[20:30:34] <hecube>	 however...
[20:31:03] <hecube>	 when I try to link a property to an item, I get the spinning circle and Wikidata can't find the property...
[20:31:57] <lazowik>	 hmm
[20:33:58] <hecube>	 any ideas?
[20:35:23] <lazowik>	 sorry, please wait a sec
[20:36:15] <TomT0m>	 hecube : might be an entity research probel
[20:36:38] <TomT0m>	 wikidata uses elastic search yet ?
[20:36:52] <lazowik>	 TomT0m: not by default
[20:37:08] <lazowik>	 you need to set srcbackend GET variable
[20:37:13] <hecube>	 Sorry. I'm pretty new to Wikidata and I don't know all the lingo.
[20:38:00] <TomT0m>	 hecube, did you try using the property number ?
[20:38:05] <TomT0m>	 P1 or p1
[20:39:22] <lazowik>	 maybe some scripts get blocked
[20:39:36] <lazowik>	 hecube: try in private/safe mode of your browser
[20:40:00] <lazowik>	 (extensions are disabled there)
[20:41:06] <zuphilip>	 !admin
[20:41:13] <benestar>	 hi
[20:41:26] <zuphilip>	 hi
[20:41:35] <benestar>	 any problem?
[20:41:36] <zuphilip>	 I encounter some strange edits from  an IP
[20:41:39] <zuphilip>	 e.g.
[20:41:40] <zuphilip>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1496272
[20:41:54] <zuphilip>	 I set it back to an old versin. can you check the other contrib?
[20:42:20] <benestar>	 let me see
[20:42:32] <zuphilip>	 I found more strange use of P107 etc.
[20:43:30] <benestar>	 I guess it should be noted that this property is deprecated now
[20:43:40] <benestar>	 it is afaik isn't it?
[20:44:05] <zuphilip>	 well the page is also disambiguation page
[20:44:24] <zuphilip>	 yes P107 is deprecated
[20:47:42] <benestar>	 is there already a solution how to handle p107 on disambigs?
[20:49:58] <zuphilip>	 No but user changed the English description "Wikipedia disambiguation page" to "Czech family name"
[20:50:32] <hecube>	 I tried both P15 or p15 and no luck
[20:50:51] <lazowik>	 and private mode?
[20:50:59] <hecube>	 let me try that...
[20:53:28] <hecube>	 Private mode didn't make any difference
[20:53:45] <lazowik>	 hmm
[20:54:12] <zuphilip>	 Hm.. well I just think that most of the contributions of the user should be reverted. What do you think?
[20:54:40] <hecube>	 that thing about srcbackend GET variable, this is something the admin has to do isn't it?
[20:57:41] <lazowik>	 nope
[20:58:07] <lazowik>	 but search backend is not related to editing if I'm right
[20:58:14] <lazowik>	 it's only for searching
[21:00:06] <hecube>	 Maybe there's something I missing? Theoretically, if I create an item and a list of properties, I should be able to link those properties to the item without having to create any other type of data? Am I right?
[21:00:26] <lazowik>	 yep
[21:00:48] <hecube>	 So then, the problem is the back-end... I'll contact our IT guys...
[21:00:59] <lazowik>	 Lydia_WMDE: is (or was) this a known problem?
[21:01:44] <lazowik>	 „hecube:
[21:01:44] <lazowik>	  when I try to link a property to an item, I get the spinning circle and Wikidata can't find the property…”
[21:02:37] <lazowik>	 hecube: maybe you happen to have a code revision with some bug
[21:02:39] <lazowik>	 dunno
[21:03:05] <lazowik>	 but it's probably best to ask IT guys
[21:03:36] <lazowik>	 if they can't fix that at least come back and tell us what they found out
[21:04:41] <hecube>	 ok thanks, I'll do that.
[21:21:41] <benestar>	 zuphilip: sorry, was afk
[21:21:54] <zuphilip>	 no problem
[21:24:01] <zuphilip>	 benestar: look here https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/121.113.225.56&offset=&limit=100&target=121.113.225.56
[21:24:51] <benestar>	 zuphilip: however I think there are also some useful contributions
[21:25:15] <zuphilip>	 hm.. ok
[21:27:34] <zuphilip>	 benestar: should I revert the edits which are wrong?
[21:28:07] <benestar>	 zuphilip: you can do that but please check if there are constructive edits, too :)
[21:28:37] <zuphilip>	 okay. thank you
[21:29:44] <lazowik>	 zuphilip: I think that the guy is just not informed
[21:30:02] <lazowik>	 I'd let him know that he's not doing it right
[21:30:06] <lazowik>	 it's not vandalism
[21:30:13] <benestar>	 lazowik: I wrote him on his/her talk page
[21:30:19] <lazowik>	 ah, ok
[21:30:27] <zuphilip>	 lazowik: Can we inform him? Only based on IP
[21:30:41] <benestar>	 zuphilip: please take a look at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q15090913 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q346860
[21:30:46] <lazowik>	 zuphilip: well, ip's also have their talk pages ;)
[21:31:06] <benestar>	 I think the guy messed sth up but it also makes sense because both items have different german pages
[21:34:20] <zuphilip>	 benestar: both are disambiguation pages for 'Schaller', but the first one includes only persons and the second one links to the first one
[21:34:53] <benestar>	 so there should be an item about disambig pages for the name and one for the general disambigs
[21:36:35] <zuphilip>	 I don't know the 'disambig pages for the name' item.
[21:38:35] <hsarrazin>	 hello, I also noticed that problem recently, with a name of persons (many of them), that was also the name of many cities around Germany… they made 2 disamb. pages… one for the persons, and one general, with a link to the other… seems strange to me…
[21:38:44] <hsarrazin>	 but, hey, it's de ;)
[21:40:14] <benestar>	 hsarrazin: :P
[21:40:16] <hsarrazin>	 zuphilip: for names of persons, I would say Q343499
[21:40:26] <hsarrazin>	 benestar: :p
[21:41:13] <benestar>	 hsarrazin: perhaps this should be discussed anywhere
[21:41:19] <hsarrazin>	 benestar: I guess they separate disambiguation pages according to GND, too ;)
[21:41:43] <benestar>	 well, I do not really know the guidelines on dewiki
[21:41:50] <hsarrazin>	 benestar: I found that item on many disamb. pages with only persons on them…
[21:42:53] <benestar>	 zuphilip: I tried to tidy it up a bit now
[21:42:57] <hsarrazin>	 benestar: I don't know the guidelines on dewiki either… and I don't read German, so……
[21:43:16] <benestar>	 hsarrazin: I do but I don't care ;)
[21:43:32] <zuphilip>	 benestar: I will have a look. Thank you
[21:43:38] <benestar>	 thx, too :D
[21:43:40] <hsarrazin>	 benestar: you're even worse than me, then :D
[21:44:18] <benestar>	 well, this is the reason why I love wikidata
[21:44:32] <benestar>	 there aren't so many hard written guidelines (yet?)
[21:44:57] <zuphilip>	 hsarrazin: you created a "Markierung: Unexpected value for entity type" with  Property:P107: Q343499
[21:45:09] <zuphilip>	 are you sure?
[21:45:32] <hsarrazin>	 just a few minutes ago ?
[21:46:52] <zuphilip>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q15090913
[21:47:31] <hsarrazin>	 zuphilip: sorry, I just did it to get the item number… I forgot to remove it :s
[21:48:35] <hsarrazin>	 it's done now ;)
[21:48:49] <zuphilip>	 thx
[21:48:54] <zuphilip>	 ;)
[21:49:52] <hsarrazin>	 zuphilip: I work on 3 diff. projects at the same time… sometimes I forget something in the middle, especially when trying to solve pbs on the chat ;)
[21:50:40] <zuphilip>	 hsarrazin: no problem :-)
[21:53:54] <benestar>	 iger