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[00:36:48] <PiRSquared>	 Hi. Anyone?
[00:38:10] <hoo>	 PiRSquared: Anyone isn't here atm, may I serve you some tea while you're waiting for him?
[00:39:58] <PiRSquared>	 hoo: what is the preferred way to store the fact that some person is a foobarologist?
[00:40:28] <PiRSquared>	 "occupation: foobarologist", "field of work: foobarology", "instance of: foobarologist", etc.?
[00:43:53] <hoo>	 PiRSquared: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P101 or https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P106 you probably want the latter one
[00:44:10] <PiRSquared>	 Can you set both?
[00:44:24] <PiRSquared>	 (I know you can, but should you?)
[00:59:46] <PiRSquared>	 Jasper_Deng: do you think https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_de_repère = landmark?
[00:59:54] <PiRSquared>	 I just merged these two items and now I'm not sure
[01:01:01] <Jasper_Deng>	 seems to meet the definition
[01:02:45] <PiRSquared>	 BTW https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/PiRSquared17&offset=&limit=200&target=PiRSquared17 :P
[01:54:19] <PiRSquared>	 Hi. Is someone online?
[01:55:52] <PiRSquared>	 If someone held a position more than once (with other people in between), is it okay to have multiple "start date" and "end date" qualifiers for one statement?
[01:56:08] <PiRSquared>	 (or is it better to do separate statement/properties)
[01:57:46] <PiRSquared>	 Specifically, I'm referring to the "position held" in this item: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1149033
[06:45:10] <gangleri_back>	 Hi are there any admins around?
[06:46:33] <gangleri_back>	 FYI: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ivan_A._Krestinin#URLENCODEbug
[06:46:47] <Jasper_Deng>	 gangleri_back: yes?
[06:47:21] <Jasper_Deng>	 admins wouldn't be able to do anything about a technical bug, except perhaps forwarding it to Bugzilla
[06:52:59] <gangleri_back>	 Jasper_Deng ping
[06:53:17] <gangleri_back>	 I was smoking a cigaret outside
[06:54:42] * Jasper_Deng  responds to ping

[06:55:22] <gangleri_back>	 Jasper_Deng please see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Gadget-AuthorityControl.js#URLENCODEbug it should be a easy change I ask at #mediawiki-tech
[06:57:14] <Jasper_Deng>	 #wikimedia-tech *
[06:57:52] <Jasper_Deng>	 gangleri_back: file at bugzilla.wikimedia.org
[06:58:20] <gangleri_back>	 Jasper_Deng fine I asked Hi! please see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Gadget-AuthorityControl.js#URLENCODEbug it should be a easy Javascript change
[07:00:02] <Jasper_Deng>	 it's not as easy as it might sound, gangleri_back
[07:00:09] <Jasper_Deng>	 (please don't ping me every single line)
[07:00:22] <Jasper_Deng>	 I'm no more capable of effecting the change than you
[07:00:22] <gangleri_back>	 ok
[07:00:32] <Jasper_Deng>	 legoktm might be able to do it
[08:18:01] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Henning Snater: Removed default event handler generation from toolbarcontroller [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92627 
[08:18:16] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Henning Snater: Removed unnecessary nodes from "wb-statement" template [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92651 
[08:18:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Henning Snater: Removed "toolbarParentSelector" option from toolbarbase widget [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92652 
[09:16:41] <gangleri_bak>	 Hi is [[user:Formatix]] here?
[09:16:42] <AsimovBot>	 10[1] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/user:Formatix
[09:19:12] <gangleri_bak>	 Hi is **[[user:Fomafix]]** here?  [[user talk:Fomafix]]
[09:53:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 031] "(1 comment)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/91303 (owner: 10Aude)
[10:04:36] <QuelqueChoseRose>	 what's up with the style in the languages sidebar on en.wp?
[10:17:02] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 addshore: $wgDebugLogGroups['PHPUnitCommand'] = "/tmp/tests.log";
[10:18:59] <QuelqueChoseRose>	 DanielK_WMDE_: ^
[10:19:23] <QuelqueChoseRose>	 (just jumping on the first person to make their presence known :P )
[10:25:59] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 QuelqueChoseRose: i don't know, but i think addshore and Henning_WMDE where discussing it earlier
[10:26:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS7) 10Addshore: Implement List Serializer and Unserializer [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92873 
[10:26:12] <addshore>	 QuelqueChoseRose: we cant really see what is wrong :O
[10:26:25] <QuelqueChoseRose>	 addshore: different font or something
[10:26:34] <QuelqueChoseRose>	 they look like Latin characters in Japanese
[10:30:27] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Addshore: "(1 comment)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92873 (owner: 10Addshore)
[10:30:33] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Addshore: Add byPropertyListSerialization Options [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92916 
[10:31:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Add byPropertyListSerialization Options [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92916 (owner: 10Addshore)
[10:36:40] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Aude: Cleanup and improve RepoLinker [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/91601 
[10:39:51] <Henning_WMDE>	 QuelqueChoseRose: It appears to be some styling injected with JavaScript by the UniversalLanguageSelector extension.
[10:40:09] <QuelqueChoseRose>	 ah. is there a bug open/
[10:40:13] <QuelqueChoseRose>	 *?
[10:42:35] <Henning_WMDE>	 That's got to be the bug report: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56346
[10:46:33] <QuelqueChoseRose>	 thanks :)
[10:51:43] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS8) 10Addshore: Implement List Serializer and Unserializer [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92873 
[10:51:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Addshore: Add byPropertyListSerialization Options [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92916 
[10:57:43] <Lydia_WMDE>	 addshore: reminder :) https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Events
[10:57:49] <addshore>	 [=
[11:03:02] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Addshore: Accept both types of lists when deserializing [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93044 
[11:05:45] <addshore>	 Tobi_WMDE: >> http://n.tkte.ch/
[11:06:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS6) 10Aude: Bug 50578 - Factor out getHtmlForClaim from EntityView [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72909 (owner: 10Pragunbhutani)
[11:06:57] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Aude: "rebased patchset 6" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72909 (owner: 10Pragunbhutani)
[11:22:04] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS6) 10Daniel Kinzler: Introducing QuantityParser and DecimalParser [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89849 
[11:22:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Introducing QuantityParser and DecimalParser [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89849 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[11:36:11] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS6) 10Daniel Kinzler: Add data type to JSON output. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89852 
[11:37:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Addshore: Accept both types of lists when deserializing DNM [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93044 
[11:38:29] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Accept both types of lists when deserializing DNM [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93044 (owner: 10Addshore)
[11:39:47] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 04-1] "oh crud, rebased against the wrong branch :(" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89852 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[11:41:41] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: "ah, no, it's fine after all. *phew*" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89852 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[11:42:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Daniel Kinzler: Make dumpJson.php robust against failures. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92644 
[11:45:34] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Make dumpJson.php robust against failures. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92644 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[11:46:15] <aude>	  status 404 on jenkins
[11:46:15] <aude>	 Generated by Winstone Servlet Engine v0.9.10 at Fri Nov 01 11:45:40 UTC 2013
[11:46:19] <aude>	 huh?
[11:48:09] <hoo>	 aude: WORKSFORME
[11:48:15] <aude>	 works on other patches
[11:48:25] <aude>	 odd, but whatever....
[11:48:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Daniel Kinzler: Make dumpJson.php robust against failures. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92644 
[12:01:10] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 032] "(1 comment)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/91303 (owner: 10Aude)
[12:05:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Include site link page names in search index text [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/91328 (owner: 10Aude)
[12:05:22] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: (bug 56018) add descriptions to entity search text [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/91303 (owner: 10Aude)
[12:06:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS7) 10Aude: Bug 50578 - Factor out getHtmlForClaim from EntityView [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72909 (owner: 10Pragunbhutani)
[12:06:44] <aude>	 yay for improved search!
[12:06:46] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 032] Remove use of deprecated apibase result methods [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92636 (owner: 10Addshore)
[12:06:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Remove use of deprecated apibase result methods [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92636 (owner: 10Addshore)
[12:06:58] <addshore>	 :<
[12:07:17] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS8) 10Aude: Bug 50578 - Factor out getHtmlForClaim from EntityView [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72909 (owner: 10Pragunbhutani)
[12:12:08] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] Frontend quantities [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84754 (owner: 10Daniel Werner)
[12:12:20] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] QuantityType UI implementation [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/91829 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[12:12:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Frontend quantities [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84754 (owner: 10Daniel Werner)
[12:12:45] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: QuantityType UI implementation [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/91829 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[12:13:06] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Tobias Gritschacher: QuantityFormatter registration [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/91859 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[12:13:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] QuantityFormatter registration [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/91859 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[12:16:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Addshore: Snaklists can now sort themselves given an order [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93056 
[12:16:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Snaklists can now sort themselves given an order [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93056 (owner: 10Addshore)
[12:16:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Addshore: Snaklists can now sort themselves given an order [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93056 
[12:18:43] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: QuantityFormatter registration [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/91859 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[12:19:23] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Addshore: Snaklists can now sort themselves given an order [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93056 
[12:26:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Removed double initialization of input extender in TimeInput expert [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92287 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[12:28:04] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] Removed double initialization of input extender in TimeInput expert [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92287 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[12:28:18] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Removed double initialization of input extender in TimeInput expert [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92287 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[12:30:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Improve active toolbar detection for terms table [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92495 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[12:36:12] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] Improve active toolbar detection for terms table [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92495 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[12:39:16] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS10) 10Addshore: Implement Api ResultBuilder and basic tests [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84990 
[12:39:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Improve active toolbar detection for terms table [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92495 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[12:40:49] <addshore>	 Tobi_WMDE: >> https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mwext-Wikibase-repoapi-tests/415/console rebase fail...
[12:41:06] <aude>	 :o
[12:41:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Implement Api ResultBuilder and basic tests [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84990 (owner: 10Addshore)
[12:46:46] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Handle RTL context in input extender widget [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92329 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[12:49:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] Handle RTL context in input extender widget [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92329 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[12:49:18] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Handle RTL context in input extender widget [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92329 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[12:53:19] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS11) 10Addshore: Implement Api ResultBuilder and basic tests [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84990 
[12:57:34] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Addshore: Remove use of deprecated apibase result methods [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92636 
[12:58:26] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Addshore: Remove use of deprecated apibase result methods [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92636 
[13:10:30] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Addshore: Accept both types of lists when deserializing DNM [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93044 
[13:12:13] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Tobi_WMDE: addshore : https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/93008/3
[13:14:13] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hasharEat: omnomnom?
[13:14:30] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hasharEat: y u no merge? ;p
[13:15:05] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: "This should make it possible to change the position of whole references, but I can't see how to do this. I'm still only able to change the" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89007 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[13:15:06] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hasharEat: How far are we from being able to have Composer used on Jenkins rather then the manually specified dependency lists?
[13:15:28] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hasharEat: There is some urgency in us for such support, as we will soon have repos that are not on WMF git that we need to pull in
[13:15:41] <JeroenDeDauw>	 And if we can't, then we have no choice but to disable those Jenins tetss
[13:16:02] <yecril71pl>	 What does it mean "Unexpected translation marker"?
[13:33:11] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Addshore: Accept both types of lists when deserializing [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93044 
[13:40:39] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Addshore: Refactor Itemview and things that surround it [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89025 (owner: 10Addshore)
[13:43:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Addshore: [C: 04-1] "I am slightly confused as to why this is passing before the datamodel change has been merged." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93044 (owner: 10Addshore)
[13:43:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Addshore: [C: 04-1] "Not entirely sure this is needed," [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93056 (owner: 10Addshore)
[13:47:26] <hasharEat>	 JeroenDeDauw: sorry was busy with some back up
[13:48:01] <hasharEat>	 JeroenDeDauw: what kind of external git repositories are you referring to ?  that might by an issue for iwkimedia production
[13:48:05] <hasharEat>	 *might*
[13:54:11] <JeroenDeDauw>	 addshore: https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseDatabase/pull/2
[13:54:13] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hasharEat: we are not using those things in production yet, so no worries
[13:54:43] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hasharEat: and we are working on a build step based on Composer that makes trhe original source of the code a moot point
[13:55:05] <aude>	 we will probably need to mirror the thing in gerrit
[13:55:16] <hasharEat>	 definitely
[13:55:20] <hasharEat>	 we can't rely on github in prod
[13:56:02] <hasharEat>	 and that Wikibase Database thing, it would be nice to get it included in core for everyone to take advantage of it :-D
[13:56:06] <aude>	 composer can be made to get stuff from gerrit
[13:56:23] <aude>	 which might be necessary for production
[13:56:51] <hasharEat>	 can you rewrite the URLs dynamically ?
[13:56:51] <JeroenDeDauw>	 aude: Composer will get stuff so we can put it onto gerrit, which is then what wmf uses
[13:57:38] <hasharEat>	 ahh
[13:58:19] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hasharEat: I thought you knew about http://getcomposer.org/doc/05-repositories.md ?
[13:59:10] <hasharEat>	 na I never looked that much in it
[13:59:37] <hasharEat>	 merely experimented till I ended up being able to install mediawiki/core + some extensions out of a composer.json
[14:00:46] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hasharEat: so, meeeergeeee? ;p
[14:00:56] <aude>	 JeroenDeDauw: ultimately it would be good for libraries to be put soem place separate from wikibase, so other extensions can use them
[14:01:11] <aude>	 that complicates the build, though and for later :)
[14:01:27] <JeroenDeDauw>	 aude: I'm not sure what you are getting at - we are already doing this
[14:01:45] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Not with everything ofc, which is what I'm raging about the whole time
[14:01:47] <aude>	 the build puts them into the "wikidata" thing
[14:02:13] <JeroenDeDauw>	 aude: yeah so? That is a Wikidata specific build, so its going to be Wikidata specific...
[14:02:24] <aude>	 so the libraries are wikidata specific
[14:02:27] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] wmde/WikibaseDatabase#8 (firstrel - 76929bd : jeroendedauw): The build passed.
[14:02:27] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseDatabase/commit/76929bd56160
[14:02:27] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseDatabase/builds/13364401
[14:02:27] <aude>	 fine for now
[14:02:43] <hasharEat>	 JeroenDeDauw: raise the point on wikitech and get some more folks involved
[14:02:53] <hasharEat>	 I can't look at it right now nor next week sorry :/
[14:02:54] <JeroenDeDauw>	 aude: that logic is rather flawed, not sure how you are making that hop
[14:03:13] <addshore>	 JeroenDeDauw: might want to http://n.tkte.ch/ the github repos to here
[14:03:40] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hasharEat: it is a trivial change really - and given the level of informdness on wikitech, I anticipate more besides the point discussion then anything helpful
[14:05:56] <aude>	 addshore: would be cool
[14:06:16] <addshore>	 indeed, I have it spamming my channel for my repos ;p
[14:06:24] <aude>	 :D
[14:13:58] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Siebrand: "Can this be tested somewhere?" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89859 (owner: 10Bene)
[14:14:06] <JeroenDeDauw>	 addshore: next time you proclaim to be first, I'm going to call you out as cheating
[14:14:43] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] wmde/WikibaseDatabase#11 (0.1 - 36571ff : addshore): The build passed.
[14:14:43] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseDatabase/compare/0.1
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[14:16:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Siebrand: "Have you had a look at how this is done in the Translate extension for helper languages?" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89859 (owner: 10Bene)
[14:17:07] <lazowik>	 Lydia_WMDE: good point (about permissions) -> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:ArticleStatus
[14:20:20] <lazowik>	 (second paragraph by Hartz)
[16:09:17] <Glaisher>	 !admin https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/98.194.184.191 vandalism
[16:10:17] <addshore>	 blocked
[16:10:32] <aude>	 oh dear
[16:10:37] <addshore>	 thanks Glaisher [=
[16:10:57] <addshore>	 think I blocked them for a month too ;p
[16:11:00] <Glaisher>	 addshore: Thanks to you too ;-)
[16:11:19] <addshore>	 Admitadly I spelt vandalism wrong in the message :P
[16:11:31] <Glaisher>	 lol
[16:11:47] <addshore>	 hehe, this IP has been blocked twice before
[16:12:41] <addshore>	 hehe and was blocked on enwp as being an open proxy :P
[16:23:16] <NativeForeigner>	 :P
[16:24:13] <Glaisher>	 What happened to teh !_team stalkword? I remember seeing something like that here earlier.
[16:35:24] <lazowik>	 Glaisher: it's all my fault!
[16:35:36] <lazowik>	 both team and admin pinged admins
[16:35:45] <lazowik>	 but team !== admins
[16:35:54] <lazowik>	 it's dennyvrandecic!
[16:36:17] <dennyvrandecic>	 I am trying to be more frequently here
[16:36:25] <lazowik>	 :)
[16:36:27] <GerardM>	 :)
[16:38:37] <aude>	 it's denny!
[16:39:14] <NativeForeigner>	 :P
[16:41:30] <dennyvrandecic>	 hi aude, had a good way home?
[16:42:00] <aude>	 yes, although a day late due to bad weather in the UK
[16:42:09] <dennyvrandecic>	 sorry to hear
[16:42:10] <lazowik>	 hehe
[16:42:16] <aude>	 not a problem
[16:42:31] <lazowik>	 not something unusual I'd say ;)
[16:42:50] * aude  thinks the weather in berlin has been nicer than when i was in SF

[16:42:58] <aude>	 surprisingly
[16:43:44] <aude>	 and i am on the same time zone (mentally) the past 2 weeks :)
[16:44:01] <dennyvrandecic>	 meh :) I choose to ignore this, independently of the factuality of that statement
[16:44:08] <aude>	 heh
[17:09:05] <liangent>	 huh dennyvrandecic is no longer called Denny_WMDE ?
[17:10:11] <dennyvrandecic>	 liangent: no, as dennyvrandecic is no longer @ WMDE
[17:10:40] <liangent>	 anyway can someone review & merge https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/90636/
[17:10:45] <liangent>	 complaint are popping up in zhwiki VP
[17:11:14] <liangent>	 dennyvrandecic: ok
[17:14:12] <dennyvrandecic>	 in the last two weeks, on average 10,000 sitelinks have been added to wikidata. every single day.
[17:15:09] <GerardM>	 have you also noticed that there is a bot adding missing labels ?
[17:16:02] <dennyvrandecic>	 i read your blogposts, that is very cool
[17:16:15] <dennyvrandecic>	 but 10,000 sitelinks per day? that is amazing.
[17:16:38] <dennyvrandecic>	 it either means the links have not been all converted yet, or so many new articles are being created
[17:20:00] <GerardM>	 it is both
[17:20:20] <GerardM>	 what we need is to add a label by default
[17:20:36] <GerardM>	 there are bots generating articles
[17:23:45] <GerardM>	 how hard is that ?
[17:24:40] <lbenedix1>	 where is the 10.000 comming from?
[17:25:35] <dennyvrandecic>	 i took a dump two weeks ago, and today, and counted
[17:25:41] <dennyvrandecic>	 the diff was 140k more sitelinks
[17:25:59] <dennyvrandecic>	 lbenedix1: ^
[17:26:52] <lbenedix1>	 I also had a look into the revision table and found that the nr of links added by users with botflag is allmost equal to the number added by users without
[17:27:14] <lbenedix1>	 I looked for the comment "wbsetsitelink-set"
[17:27:24] <dennyvrandecic>	 interesting. recently or overall?
[17:27:47] <lbenedix1>	 over the last 365 days ;)
[17:27:52] <dennyvrandecic>	 ah, you counted the calls of wbsetsitelink-set, not the number of sitelinks set, right?
[17:27:56] <dennyvrandecic>	 hehe :)
[17:28:12] <dennyvrandecic>	 interesting stat, would have not thought of looking for this, that is cool
[17:28:48] <lbenedix1>	 one problem is, that bots can add more links in one edit
[17:28:56] <lbenedix1>	 and they can create items with links
[17:29:15] <dennyvrandecic>	 that is not a problem really :)
[17:29:17] <lbenedix1>	 so looking at the comments is not very accurate
[17:29:30] <dennyvrandecic>	 well, it is, but it depends what you count
[17:29:31] <lbenedix1>	 and there are a lot of edits without a comment, even by bots
[17:35:51] <lbenedix1>	 and there is one comment that is quite nondescriptive: "wbeditentity"
[17:42:42] <liangent>	 lbenedix1: my bot does that :p
[17:42:53] <liangent>	 though it add some more text
[17:43:58] <liangent>	 do multiple /* */ blocks in one summary string work?
[18:15:55] <lazowik>	 liangent: nope :(
[18:16:03] <lazowik>	 that's a core thingy
[18:16:48] <lazowik>	 between /* */ normally there is a section name
[18:17:15] <lazowik>	 and wikibase hacks into that by using a hook
[18:22:05] <liangent>	 lazowik: ok
[18:22:30] <liangent>	 lbenedix1: anyway you can edit https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Liangent-bot/message/ts-wblinktitles-summary and your search key to alter my bot's edit summary, if you want
[19:06:55] <GorillaWarfare>	 Anyone got a minute for some Wikidata advice?
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[19:14:20] <GorillaWarfare>	 Hey DarTar 
[19:14:25] <JD|cloud>	 GorillaWarFare: yes?
[19:14:32] <JD|cloud>	 (but I must leave in a few min.)
[19:14:47] <GorillaWarfare>	 Hey JD|cloud. I'm working with a group that's trying to put polling data into Wikidata
[19:14:56] <GorillaWarfare>	 But we're trying to figure out a good way to represent it
[19:15:01] <JD|cloud>	 well, first off, we don't support numerical data yet
[19:15:07] <DarTar>	 hey GorillaWarfare 
[19:15:11] <JD|cloud>	 except timestamps
[19:15:15] <JD|cloud>	 and geographical location
[19:15:22] <GorillaWarfare>	 JD|cloud: Oh, really? Hrm.
[19:16:00] <DarTar>	 GorillaWarfare: can you give me a good example from an existing WP article?
[19:16:36] <GorillaWarfare>	 Well that's the part of the issue -- trying to map data items and WP articles
[19:16:54] <DarTar>	 I posted to wikidata-l a proposal a while ago that might be relevant: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/DataNamespace
[19:17:12] <GorillaWarfare>	 But DarTar, something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2012
[19:17:13] <DarTar>	 </shameless plug>
[19:17:35] <DarTar>	 right
[19:17:55] <GorillaWarfare>	 DarTar: I like that, at least from my brief skim
[19:18:14] <GorillaWarfare>	 But anyway, the data items would be something like this: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q220924
[19:18:21] <DarTar>	 take a look at that proposal, I believe it would be really hard to fit that kind of data into Wikidata-style tuples 
[19:18:55] <GorillaWarfare>	 Indeed, that's much of what we're struggling with :S
[19:20:22] <DarTar>	 I'm mostly worried about the social aspects, not the technical aspects (yes, you can represent virtually anything using structured data + qualifiers, but that's not the point) 
[19:21:29] <GorillaWarfare>	 Social aspects?
[19:21:36] <DarTar>	 GorillaWarfare: I have to go, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on that (and also the specific use case of poll data, if you have any pointers to relevant discussions)
[19:22:55] <DarTar>	 social aspects: how easy it is to drive participation and curation of these datasets if they are broken down and represented as structured data (there are some good thoughts on the talk page of m:DataNamespace)
[19:33:34] <GorillaWarfare>	 Sure, no problem
[19:33:55] <GorillaWarfare>	 So anyway, DarTar and JD|cloud, is it too early to do this?
[19:36:33] <DarTar>	 GorillaWarfare: too early to do what exactly? The tabular data namespace proposal is just a proposal :) we would need to have more specific requirements, figure out if there's community support, how this fits into the wikidata roadmap (if it does at all) and who would build it
[19:37:12] <GorillaWarfare>	 DarTar: I was referring more to the "well, first off, we don't support numerical data yet"
[19:37:36] <DarTar>	 ic
[19:37:55] <DarTar>	 I don't know the answer
[19:38:14] <GorillaWarfare>	 Alright, maybe JD|cloud can answer it when I get home :3
[19:40:01] <GorillaWarfare>	 Or if someone else is around and knows :P
[19:45:47] <Lydia_WMDE>	 dennyvrandecic: hey :)  re sitelinks: still commons for a large part maybe?
[19:46:01] <dennyvrandecic>	 oh could very much be
[19:46:23] <aude>	 someone has to add all the swedish lakes :)
[19:46:28] * Lydia_WMDE  is happy because both projects she cares about have been accepted for google code-in \o/

[19:46:35] <dennyvrandecic>	 yay!
[19:46:35] <Lydia_WMDE>	 aude: hah
[19:47:10] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ok - time to battle emails -.-
[19:47:12] <Lydia_WMDE>	 laters
[19:47:25] <dennyvrandecic>	 :P have fun
[19:47:26] <dennyvrandecic>	 i guess
[19:47:39] <Lydia_WMDE>	 for special values of fun? :P
[19:47:48] <dennyvrandecic>	 i assume so
[19:47:50] <dennyvrandecic>	 :)
[19:55:44] <lazowik>	 Lydia_WMDE: hey! can you scroll up to see me bothering you?
[19:55:59] <Lydia_WMDE>	 lazowik: looking
[19:56:30] <Lydia_WMDE>	 lazowik: definitely no restrictions at the beginning - let's see if we need them later
[19:56:45] <lazowik>	 okay
[19:56:54] <JeroenDeDauw>	 It's a dennyvrandecic 
[19:57:24] <dennyvrandecic>	 hey JeroenDeDauw
[19:57:32] <JeroenDeDauw>	 dennyvrandecic: google.com is still not redirecting to wikidata.org. I am dissapoint!
[19:57:52] <lazowik>	 :D
[19:58:01] <dennyvrandecic>	 they refused the changeset when i made it
[19:58:06] <dennyvrandecic>	 i have to figure out why
[19:58:49] <lazowik>	 dennyvrandecic: check whitespace
[19:59:15] <dennyvrandecic>	 good point
[19:59:32] <dennyvrandecic>	 but it also seems to fail the unittest on something called search
[19:59:36] <dennyvrandecic>	 have to figure that one out
[19:59:43] <lazowik>	 they only -infinite without providing reasons?
[20:00:05] <JeroenDeDauw>	 dennyvrandecic: search is one class? wow.
[20:01:13] <dennyvrandecic>	 yeah, i know. working on it
[20:01:19] <Lydia_WMDE>	 dennyvrandecic: try again with gmail then?
[20:01:19] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :P
[20:01:21] <Lydia_WMDE>	 not the same but close enough
[20:01:21] <lazowik>	 thats rude!
[20:01:21] <lazowik>	 those  dependencies :(
[20:02:47] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: "(1 comment)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84990 (owner: 10Addshore)
[20:03:11] <lazowik>	 JeroenDeDauw: nah, objective code? they've got over this recently!
[20:04:31] <dennyvrandecic>	 the sitelinks are not commons. it is mostly wikipedia. surprised.
[20:04:47] <dennyvrandecic>	 addshore: are the sitelinks all moved now?
[20:05:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 031] "This is still a quite bad approach, though less so then the old code. Very nice to finally see that go, and have tests for it now. Still n" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84990 (owner: 10Addshore)
[20:05:24] <aude>	 i doubt it or there are at least are a lot of pages unconnected (have no sitelinks)
[20:05:33] <aude>	 but still can be added
[20:05:34] <lazowik>	 dunno how it was counted
[20:05:34] <lazowik>	 but vandalism reverting?
[20:06:15] <dennyvrandecic>	 hmm. it is counted as how many wikipedia sitelinks have there been on 10/17 and how many are there on 10/28
[20:06:28] <Lydia_WMDE>	 dennyvrandecic: not commons? wow
[20:06:46] <dennyvrandecic>	 it is 34.24M vs 34.38M
[20:07:03] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Oo
[20:08:29] <lazowik>	 addshore: oh noez :(((( https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/84990 I'll need to rebase manually again?
[20:08:39] <lazowik>	 or you if my gets merged first!
[20:16:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Fix method signature mismatch causing PHP notices [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93098 
[20:28:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] Fix method signature mismatch causing PHP notices [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93098 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[20:32:18] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Fix method signature mismatch causing PHP notices [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/93098 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[21:37:24] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: Ping
[21:37:32] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JohnLewis: hey :)
[21:38:02] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: Wifi \o/ So 
[21:38:14] <Lydia_WMDE>	 \o/
[21:38:16] <JohnLewis>	 I pushed the summary :p
[21:38:38] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ohh
[21:38:40] <Lydia_WMDE>	 cool
[21:38:40] <Lydia_WMDE>	 thanks :)