[00:17:30] <Sven_Manguard>	 GerardM: my responses are going to be very long, some of them
[01:39:11] <Sven_Manguard>	 https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predefini%C3%A7%C3%A3o:Classifica%C3%A7%C3%A3o_do_jogo
[01:39:23] <Sven_Manguard>	 why could I have not found out about that ages ago
[01:40:40] <legoktm>	 owow
[01:40:40] <legoktm>	 ok
[01:40:45] <legoktm>	 im working on the script now
[01:40:53] <Sven_Manguard>	 legoktm: no, don't
[01:40:57] <legoktm>	 no? :/
[01:41:03] <Sven_Manguard>	 well, yeah, sure
[01:41:04] <Sven_Manguard>	 go ahead
[01:41:20] <Sven_Manguard>	 but be prepared to find out just how shit the coverage is
[01:41:25] <legoktm>	 hehe
[01:41:27] <legoktm>	 thats fine
[01:41:32] <legoktm>	 some data is better than no data!
[01:41:35] <Sven_Manguard>	 just because it has 12 fields doesn't mean that it's going to have them filled
[01:41:55] <Sven_Manguard>	 legoktm: right now I've only built frameworks for USK, PEGI, ESRB, and CERO
[01:42:04] <Sven_Manguard>	 I'll work on more soon
[01:42:11] <Sven_Manguard>	 there are 12-15
[01:42:17] <legoktm>	 i'm starting with dewiki which is USK and PEGI
[01:42:23] <Sven_Manguard>	 Good idea.
[01:42:53] <Sven_Manguard>	 German, Portuguese, and Russian Wikipedias have the best coverage. 
[02:01:46] * Sky2042  considers Sven_Manguard

[02:13:44] <legoktm>	 JeroenDeDauw: i finally responded to your pywikibot mail :)
[02:47:30] <Sven_Manguard>	 GerardM: poke
[03:02:19] <Sven_Manguard>	 legoktm: do you have a moment to read something?
[03:09:55] <Sven_Manguard>	 hey PinkAmpersand 
[03:20:16] <legoktm>	 Sven_Manguard: sup
[03:20:31] <Sven_Manguard>	 I've got a dossier on the project you're working on
[03:20:41] <Sven_Manguard>	 it's 3.5 pages word doc
[03:20:45] <Sven_Manguard>	 got time for that?
[03:21:12] <legoktm>	 :o
[03:21:14] <legoktm>	 i can try
[03:22:43] <Sven_Manguard>	 sent by mail
[03:23:26] <legoktm>	 heh
[03:23:31] <legoktm>	 one of my emails would have been fine :P
[03:23:42] <Sven_Manguard>	 didn't know if one was bad
[03:26:21] <legoktm>	 well, it looks good to me
[03:26:28] <legoktm>	 did you want any specific feedback?
[03:26:39] <Sven_Manguard>	 mostly do you think it can be pulled off
[03:28:01] <legoktm>	 i think so
[03:28:07] <legoktm>	 it'll always be a work in progress of course
[03:28:26] <legoktm>	 but once the scripts are written and the framework finalized, it shouldn't be that hard to keep going
[03:28:52] <Sven_Manguard>	 good
[04:13:01] <legoktm>	 Sven_Manguard: ok, i think i finished the dewiki scraping script
[04:13:08] <Sven_Manguard>	 sweet
[04:14:16] <Sven_Manguard>	 considering that the ESRB has 30,000 ratings, and they have one rating for each release (so if it was on the 360, PS3, and PC that'd be 3 ratings), I'd guess that PEGI and USK have somewhere in the 25,000 ratings each area
[04:14:29] <Sven_Manguard>	 how long do you think the run will be?
[04:15:33] <legoktm>	 not sure
[04:15:35] <legoktm>	 i just found a bug
[04:16:58] <legoktm>	 oh heh
[04:16:59] <legoktm>	 ugh
[04:17:09] <Sven_Manguard>	 ?
[04:17:24] <legoktm>	 Sven_Manguard: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Strike <-- what do we do if there are multiple ratings?
[04:17:27] <legoktm>	 scroll down a bit
[04:17:34] <Sven_Manguard>	 oh, that
[04:17:40] <Sven_Manguard>	 umm... that's a rare case
[04:17:49] <Sven_Manguard>	 really, really rare
[04:18:02] <legoktm>	 but its the first one my bot ran into :X
[04:19:15] <Sven_Manguard>	 can the bot do a "skip and tell operator" ?
[04:19:26] <Sven_Manguard>	 because that'll happen to maybe a dozen articles, tops
[04:19:29] <Sven_Manguard>	 those I can do by hand
[04:19:54] <legoktm>	 ok
[04:19:59] <legoktm>	 so if it finds a second template
[04:20:03] <legoktm>	 itll complain loudly
[04:22:35] <Firefly67>	 how do you deal with redirects on wikidata - i.e., how do you link articles if an article on de.wp corresponds to a redirect on en.wp?
[04:24:10] <legoktm>	 you er...don't.
[04:24:20] <legoktm>	 Firefly67: are they about two different subjects?
[04:24:56] <Firefly67>	 no, the en.wp article is a larger one, and it corresponds to at least 3 smaller ones on de.wp
[04:25:22] <Firefly67>	 and the titles of the other 2 are redirects to the big one on en.wp
[04:25:26] <legoktm>	 yeah
[04:25:30] <legoktm>	 so they're about different subjects
[04:25:34] <legoktm>	 hence they all get different items
[04:25:44] <legoktm>	 one day it will be possible to link to redirects and clean the whole thing up
[04:26:00] <Firefly67>	 ok, so it's still 1-1 correspondence?
[04:26:11] <Firefly67>	 not 1-3 kind of stuff?
[04:26:13] <legoktm>	 yeah
[04:26:25] <Sven_Manguard>	 legoktm: {{done}} - the second template on dewiki has its own WD item because several languages treat it as a separate artichoke 
[04:26:25] <AsimovBot>	 How efficient, Sven_Manguard!
[04:27:58] <legoktm>	 ok
[04:28:02] <legoktm>	 it looks good to me
[04:28:05] <legoktm>	 im going to run it on labs now
[04:30:25] <Sven_Manguard>	 legoktm: did you realize that "On vacation-ish. Will be back in a week, I'll try and pop in to see if anything needs doing. Legoktm (talk) 15:30, 4 July 2013 (UTC)" is still on your userpage?
[04:30:32] <legoktm>	 I did
[04:31:01] <legoktm>	 I'm just too lazy to remove it
[04:32:17] <Sven_Manguard>	 USK-18-Fassung indiziert, USK-16-Fassung stark verändert
[04:32:20] <Sven_Manguard>	 wha?
[04:32:24] <legoktm>	 huh?
[04:32:32] <Sven_Manguard>	 dewiki half life
[04:32:32] <legoktm>	 is that my bot?
[04:32:36] <legoktm>	 oh
[04:32:37] <Sven_Manguard>	 no
[04:33:35] <Sven_Manguard>	 right, I got it. let me fix
[04:35:16] <Sven_Manguard>	 legoktm - fixed https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q279744
[04:35:40] <legoktm>	 ok
[04:36:02] <Sven_Manguard>	 wait a second. legobot has only done four items and two of them have been weird cases?
[04:36:04] <Sven_Manguard>	 lol
[04:36:10] <legoktm>	 even more!
[04:36:17] <Sven_Manguard>	 ?
[04:36:26] <legoktm>	 hold on a sec
[04:36:51] <legoktm>	 COMPLAINT: [[de:Dungeon Master]]
[04:36:53] <AsimovBot>	 10[1] 10https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeon_Master
[04:36:59] <legoktm>	 COMPLAINT: [[de:Worms (Spieleserie)]]
[04:37:00] <legoktm>	 COMPLAINT: [[de:Sid Meier’s Civilization]]
[04:37:02] <legoktm>	 COMPLAINT: [[de:Master of Orion]]
[04:37:03] <AsimovBot>	 10[2] 10https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worms_%28Spieleserie%29
[04:37:04] <AsimovBot>	 10[3] 10https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Meier%E2%80%99s_Civilization
[04:37:06] <AsimovBot>	 10[4] 10https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Orion
[04:37:58] <Sven_Manguard>	 right... the Germans have decided to have several series of games as articles
[04:38:37] <Sven_Manguard>	 and where is there an error in master of orion, that game has no USK ratings
[04:41:44] <Sven_Manguard>	 damn
[04:42:01] <Sven_Manguard>	 well you can occasionally get USK from ptWiki, but that uses a different template
[04:42:10] <Sven_Manguard>	 and USK is rare there
[04:42:18] <Sven_Manguard>	 PEGI is on a bunch of projects
[04:45:00] <Sven_Manguard>	 legoktm: what's going on?
[04:45:12] <legoktm>	 found a bug in my dupe detection framework
[04:45:13] <legoktm>	 fixing it
[04:45:44] <Sven_Manguard>	 alright, I'll keep working on the tachyon phase transmitter
[04:51:05] <Reedy>	 IMMA FIRIN MAH LAZER
[04:51:47] <legoktm>	 ok, running
[04:53:54] <legoktm>	 hm
[04:53:56] <legoktm>	 some bug.
[04:54:31] <legoktm>	 ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '16 <!--KEINE \xc4NDERUNG!-->'
[04:55:32] <legoktm>	 that code path should have been unreachable...
[04:55:33] <legoktm>	 ugh
[05:11:25] <Sven_Manguard>	 legoktm: your bot has stopped and you've been silent
[05:11:33] <Sven_Manguard>	 did your program set itself on fire?
[05:11:42] <Sven_Manguard>	 because "that would be bad"
[05:19:28] <legoktm>	 sorry, doing something else right now
[05:21:26] <legoktm>	 ok
[05:21:29] <legoktm>	 its working \o/
[05:21:56] <legoktm>	 Sven_Manguard: ^
[05:22:00] <legoktm>	 https://en.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Legobot
[05:22:59] <legoktm>	 :D
[05:23:00] <Sven_Manguard>	 legoktm: go look at wikimedia-commons and laugh at me
[05:23:40] <legoktm>	 :P
[05:29:37] <Sven_Manguard>	 legoktm: can you do me a favor and make the items at http://tools.wmflabs.org/legobot/enterdesc.txt clickable
[05:29:51] <legoktm>	 yeah sure
[05:29:54] <Sven_Manguard>	 it will make the horrible tedium less horrible :D
[05:33:50] <legoktm>	 Sven_Manguard: http://tools.wmflabs.org/legobot/enterdesc.html
[05:33:58] <Sven_Manguard>	 thanks
[05:34:10] <legoktm>	 for reference
[05:34:12] <legoktm>	 the query was
[05:34:13] <legoktm>	 $ sql wikidatawiki_p "select CONCAT(\"<a href=\\\"//www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q\", term_entity_id, \"\\\">Q\", term_entity_id, \"</a><br />\") from wb_terms where term_text=\"enter description\"" > ~/public_html/enterdesc.html
[05:34:52] <Sven_Manguard>	 LOG NOTE TO SELF ^^^
[05:34:59] <Sven_Manguard>	 yes, there is a purpose to that
[05:35:11] <Sven_Manguard>	 it makes it searchable for me
[05:35:14] <legoktm>	 :D
[05:48:48] <GerardM>	 good morning
[05:50:04] <legoktm>	 morning
[05:51:17] <legoktm>	 Sven_Manguard: It crashed on a page that didn't exist, now it should autocreate
[05:56:28] <GerardM>	 joepie... auto create I could have used that in my bot runs
[05:56:53] <GerardM>	 have been adding by hand dozens and that was probably only a percentage
[05:57:28] <GerardM>	 es:Juan Fernández Rodríguez García del Busto does not exist for instance
[06:27:51] <Sven_Manguard>	 legoktm: any idea how many edits the bot has made tbus far?
[06:28:53] <Sven_Manguard>	 legoktm: it seems to have... missed some data
[06:29:02] <legoktm>	 what do you mean?
[06:29:11] <legoktm>	 its going at ~50 epm
[06:29:16] <Sven_Manguard>	 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1248594&action=history <-- I added it in
[06:29:23] <legoktm>	 and has been editing for ~40 minutes total
[06:29:57] <legoktm>	 oh ugh
[06:30:08] <legoktm>	 will fix
[06:31:30] <legoktm>	 fixed
[06:31:31] <Sven_Manguard>	 it seems to have stopped editing two minutes ago
[06:31:40] <legoktm>	 yeah, to update the code i have to kill and restart it
[06:31:47] <legoktm>	 which means it starts at the beginning of the list.....
[06:32:53] <Sven_Manguard>	 oh, and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q14928393 is definately an error
[06:33:22] <Sven_Manguard>	 it seems to be seeing user pages as things to create
[06:33:27] <Sven_Manguard>	 don't worry, I will zap them
[06:33:35] <legoktm>	 i already zapped a ton and fixed that
[06:34:02] <legoktm>	 hm, i was depending on the english label though...
[06:41:38] <Sven_Manguard>	 "Altersbeschränkung variiert zwischen ohne Angabe, 12 und 16 Jahren"
[06:41:45] <Sven_Manguard>	 wonderful, thank you USK
[06:49:09] <Sven_Manguard>	 legoktm: your bot helped me detect an irregularity. Dewiki has ratings for a game that the USK does not seem to think exists
[06:49:20] <legoktm>	 o.O
[06:49:22] <legoktm>	 :D
[06:51:36] <Sven_Manguard>	 PEGI found it 
[06:51:44] <Sven_Manguard>	 good PEGI, pet pet
[06:51:59] <legoktm>	 GerardM: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85179
[06:52:03] <legoktm>	 still needs work, but its a start
[06:52:22] <Sven_Manguard>	 USK found it, took some tweaking
[07:07:12] <Sven_Manguard>	 right, it's 3AM
[07:07:14] <Sven_Manguard>	 goodnight
[08:11:39] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Aude: Ensure populate sites works for updating existing sites [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84857 
[08:39:19] <aude>	 Tobi_WMDE: reeeeeeeeeview https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/84857/ :)
[09:21:39] <aude>	 DanielK_WMDE_: you can also approve https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/85183/2
[09:21:42] <aude>	 DanielK_WMDE_: you can also approve https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/85183/
[09:21:50] <aude>	 errr
[09:30:11] <aude>	 DanielK_WMDE_: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/84857/
[09:35:11] <aude>	 DanielK_WMDE_: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Datasets
[09:35:14] <aude>	 probably
[09:35:30] <aude>	 XML snapshots and other datasets that are available at http://dumps.wikimedia.org/
[09:36:50] <aude>	 there are a lot of bugs in datasets
[09:36:54] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 andre__: hey! where do i file requests related to generating dumps? 
[09:37:06] <aude>	 i don't think they will get forgotten, but be sure to give them the shell keyword
[09:37:20] <andre__>	 DanielK_WMDE_, I'd drop it in the Datasets product, yeah
[09:37:30] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Addshore: "(1 comment)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84958 (owner: 10Addshore)
[09:37:31] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 the Datasets product sounds right, but its only component is webstatscollector, so I guess the dumps folks don't really look at that?
[09:37:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] Made SnakList/Reference order-aware [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84505 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[09:37:58] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 andre__: could you make a component for that? 
[09:38:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Made SnakList/Reference order-aware [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84505 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[09:38:36] <andre__>	 DanielK_WMDE_, https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Datasets says "XML snapshots and other datasets that are available at http://dumps.wikimedia.org/"
[09:38:50] <andre__>	 so I'd drop it under "General/Unknown" for the time being
[09:39:06] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 ok
[09:46:58] <Lydia_WMDE>	 DanielK_WMDE_: Denny_WMDE: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-September/071890.html
[09:47:48] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Implemented "snaks-order" parameter in SetReference API module [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84517 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[09:48:11] <aude>	 Lydia_WMDE: yep
[09:48:23] <aude>	 thanks for postign the link
[09:48:29] <Lydia_WMDE>	 np
[09:49:00] <aude>	 i would prefer option 1 (or maybe option 2)
[09:49:46] <aude>	 or have rc_type be configurable in a more robust way
[09:51:06] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Implemented "snaks-order" parameter in SetReference API module Change-Id: I84e3e2c5bd3bfa345b2caf3dae7097445d432cce [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84517 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[09:55:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Implemented "snaks-order" parameter in SetReference API module Change-Id: I84e3e2c5bd3bfa345b2caf3dae7097445d432cce [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84517 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[09:58:58] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Implemented "snaks-order" parameter in SetReference API module [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84517 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[10:01:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Henning Snater: Implemented "snaks-order" parameter in SetReference API module [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84517 
[10:01:55] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Henning Snater: Implemented "snaks-order" parameter in reference serializer [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84516 
[10:01:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Henning Snater: Using listview to group referenceview's snaks [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84326 
[10:01:57] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Henning Snater: Registered movetoolbar definition for references [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84506 
[10:01:58] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Henning Snater: Triggering snaklistview's "change" event when moving items [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84507 
[10:05:30] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Implemented "snaks-order" parameter in SetReference API module [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84517 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[10:08:23] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Implemented "snaks-order" parameter in reference serializer [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84516 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[10:08:55] <multichill>	 aude: Who do I need to poke to get Commons enabled on the test wikidata? :-)
[10:09:09] <aude>	 multichill: probably me and reedy
[10:09:28] <aude>	 reedy is sleeping i hope
[10:10:18] <multichill>	 Isn't he based in the UK?
[10:10:42] <aude>	 not this week
[10:11:19] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Using listview to group referenceview's snaks [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84326 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[10:11:33] <multichill>	 O, right, the all staff thing
[10:11:46] <aude>	 i need to submit the configuration
[10:11:56] <aude>	 and repopulate some tables, which reedy does
[10:12:04] <aude>	 or test.wikidata will not know about commons
[10:12:08] <aude>	 or else
[10:12:21] * aude  cannot do that myself

[10:12:38] <multichill>	 Yeah, I setup a test instance of WIkidata some time ago, but that one is pretty outdated
[10:12:47] <aude>	 now to figure out what commons interwiki table looks like
[10:12:50] <multichill>	 I'm pretty sure it will explode if I do an update now
[10:12:53] <aude>	 of course, it's cached in cdb
[10:12:57] <aude>	 so not on toollabs
[10:13:03] <aude>	 heh
[10:13:13] <aude>	 we have more extensions now
[10:13:15] <multichill>	 Commons interwiki table points to Wikipedia
[10:13:28] <aude>	 yeah, but
[10:13:45] <aude>	 i'm going to try wmf's script for interwikis
[10:13:54] <multichill>	 Yeah, I read that post about lot's of extensions. I would just have to RTFM and install everything that's missing
[10:14:04] <aude>	 multichill: yep
[10:14:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Registered movetoolbar definition for references [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84506 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[10:14:17] <aude>	 theres also the composer thing that should work
[10:14:22] <aude>	 but i don't use that myself
[10:14:49] <multichill>	 I'm probably the only person running MediaWiki + Wikibase on NetBSD :P
[10:14:56] <aude>	 :)
[10:15:00] <multichill>	 (and got it to work)
[10:17:05] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Triggering snaklistview's "change" event when moving items [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84507 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[10:48:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Henning Snater: Using listview to group referenceview's snaks [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84326 
[10:52:10] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Using listview to group referenceview's snaks [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84326 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[10:52:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: "(5 comments)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84975 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[10:56:43] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Daniel Kinzler: Remove formatting logic from ChangeOps [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84975 
[10:59:46] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Henning Snater: Adjust ReferenceSerializer tests to change in WikibaseDataModel [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85187 
[11:00:02] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Remove formatting logic from ChangeOps [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84975 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[11:01:32] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 Lydia_WMDE: http://www.lieferando.de/lieferservice-world-of-pizza-berlin#
[11:03:06] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Adjust ReferenceSerializer tests to change in WikibaseDataModel [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85187 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[11:11:45] <liangent>	 DanielK_WMDE_: Friday again ... will you be reviewing stuff today?
[11:15:24] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 liangent: trying hard, but bogged down with follow ups and urgent fixes.
[11:15:44] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 liangent: to be honest, i still find it quite hard to understand what some of your code does.
[11:15:57] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 i mean, i can understand the individual bits, but often don't understand *why*.
[11:16:19] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 some more documentation, and splitting the code into smaller functions, would help
[11:16:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Aude: "can you please describe in the commit message what this fixes? (in addition to mentioning the bug)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84741 (owner: 10Liangent)
[11:16:42] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 liangent: i guess most of your code is good to merge, but it's quite hard to review and test.
[11:18:56] <liangent>	 DanielK_WMDE_: I guess I should make the patch smaller at the beginning
[11:19:08] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS11) 10Daniel Kinzler: Factoring formatting logic out of Summary class. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84313 
[11:19:17] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 liangent: that would also help, yes
[11:19:18] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Addshore: [C: 032] Adjust ReferenceSerializer tests to change in WikibaseDataModel [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85187 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[11:19:30] <liangent>	 DanielK_WMDE_: for example, refactor the code to a state where it's easier to fix what I try to fix
[11:19:45] <liangent>	 without doing any functionality change
[11:20:00] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 liangent: yes, perhaps that would make it easier to understand what you are trying to achieve, and why you are doing it in the way you do it
[11:20:43] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Liangent: bug 54264 [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84741 
[11:20:57] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Liangent: [C: 04-2] "This is not a bugfix." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84741 (owner: 10Liangent)
[11:21:16] <liangent>	 ^ ^ where should I report grrrit-wm bugs?
[11:21:44] <aude>	 to yuvipanda
[11:21:58] <aude>	 there might be a component
[11:22:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Addshore: [V: 032] Adjust ReferenceSerializer tests to change in WikibaseDataModel [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85187 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[11:22:30] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Factoring formatting logic out of Summary class. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84313 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[11:23:18] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Daniel Kinzler: Fix validation of snakhash parameter [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85188 
[11:23:22] <aude>	 liangent: wikimedia > git/gerrit
[11:23:37] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 addshore: ---^^
[11:24:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS6) 10Henning Snater: Using listview to group referenceview's snaks [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84326 
[11:24:52] <liangent>	 aude: and cc yuvipanda@ ?
[11:24:57] <aude>	 liangent: yes
[11:25:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS12) 10Daniel Kinzler: Factoring formatting logic out of Summary class. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84313 
[11:25:18] <aude>	 he's usually around on irc
[11:25:27] <aude>	 like in the labs channel
[11:25:55] <liangent>	 aude: done https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54372
[11:25:58] <aude>	 ok
[11:28:02] <aude>	 would someone please review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/84857/ ?
[11:28:07] <aude>	 DanielK_WMDE_: Tobi_WMDE ^
[11:28:27] <aude>	 without it, no chance of enabling commons section on test.wikidata today
[11:28:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Demonstration of bug 54264 [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84741 (owner: 10Liangent)
[11:29:01] <liangent>	 DanielK_WMDE_: the issue is, it always happens that I do the fix in some quick way, then someone says it looks hackish, then I refactor a bunch of relevant code lines, mixed with what I'm trying to fix initially
[11:29:27] <aude>	 liangent: that happens
[11:29:31] <liangent>	 aude: why is sites table maintenance a part of wikibase?
[11:29:41] <aude>	 but then it's best to refactor and then add your thing
[11:29:47] <aude>	 liangent: we will be moving it
[11:29:49] <liangent>	 aude: then the change looks messy and difficult to review
[11:29:56] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 liangent: yea, i know what you mean... you'd have to break out the fix/refactoring into a separate change, and then rebase your original change on top of that
[11:30:04] <aude>	 liangent: two changes
[11:30:08] <addshore>	 hashar_ around?
[11:30:13] <aude>	 1 ) refactor/clean 2) add your feature
[11:30:37] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 aude: yea, but i know the problem... i'm often too lazy myself to do it that way right away.
[11:30:41] <aude>	 liangent: originally sites table was in wikibase
[11:30:48] <aude>	 then moved to core, but not the script
[11:31:32] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Fix validation of snakhash parameter [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85188 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[11:33:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 032] Ensure populate sites works for updating existing sites [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84857 (owner: 10Aude)
[11:33:14] <aude>	 liangent: do you think the populate sites script should be in core?
[11:33:30] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 aude: i think it should be in core
[11:33:39] <aude>	 it's a bit wikimedia specific and hard to separate that
[11:34:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Addshore: Revert "Adjust ReferenceSerializer tests to change in WikibaseDataModel" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85190 
[11:34:02] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Addshore: Revert "Made SnakList/Reference order-aware" [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85191 
[11:34:06] <aude>	 the rebuildInterwiki.php script is in WikimediaMainteance
[11:34:09] <aude>	 Maintenance
[11:34:09] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 that's not great, but no different for it being in core or not
[11:35:56] <liangent>	 aude: how wm specific?
[11:36:00] <liangent>	 only for sitematrix?
[11:36:25] <aude>	 it uses sitematrix as a datasource
[11:36:34] <aude>	 could be any site matrix, theoretically
[11:37:16] <aude>	 but assumes things like language code = local interwiki prefix
[11:37:22] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Using listview to group referenceview's snaks [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84326 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[11:37:25] <aude>	 might not be true for all setups
[11:37:40] <liangent>	 aude: that assumption is wrong, even for wmf sites
[11:37:47] <aude>	 ?
[11:37:54] <aude>	 which cases?
[11:38:19] <liangent>	 aude: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41723
[11:39:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Henning Snater: [C: 032] Revert "Made SnakList/Reference order-aware" [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85191 (owner: 10Addshore)
[11:39:57] <aude>	 liangent: the issue is just the - and _
[11:40:17] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Factoring formatting logic out of Summary class [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84313 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[11:40:28] <liangent>	 aude: not really. see that bug
[11:40:41] <liangent>	 mostly for some specific "legacy" wikis
[11:40:58] <aude>	 ok, i see....
[11:43:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Ensure populate sites works for updating existing sites [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84857 (owner: 10Aude)
[11:43:22] <aude>	 liangent:  in the site matrix the 'lang' field is really the subdomain, though
[11:44:21] <aude>	 and the script uses that field, so site_language might not be the same as actual language
[11:44:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 032] No longer require mainsnak when removing claims [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84958 (owner: 10Addshore)
[11:45:22] <Granjow>	 Denny_WMDE: http://ec2-54-234-76-44.compute-1.amazonaws.com/trees.php :)
[11:45:49] <Denny_WMDE>	 Granjow: sweet!
[11:45:53] <Denny_WMDE>	 does this work on mobile?
[11:45:58] <liangent>	 aude: so do we have any other things depending on this behavior of SiteMatrix (so it can't be simply fixed)?
[11:46:01] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Revert "Adjust ReferenceSerializer tests to change in WikibaseDataModel" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85190 (owner: 10Addshore)
[11:46:23] <aude>	 liangent: what do you mean? what other things?
[11:46:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Addshore: Revert "Adjust ReferenceSerializer tests to change in WikibaseDataModel" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85190 
[11:46:43] <aude>	 if site_language is intended to be actually the language code?
[11:47:10] <Granjow>	 Denny_WMDE: Thanks! Did not test it yet, but it should. For making it usable I'd have to adjust the CSS a bit, I think, regarding page width etc.
[11:47:11] <aude>	 i don't think we can get that from site matrix alone
[11:47:22] <aude>	 but could be obtained another way
[11:47:41] <aude>	 and think wikibase is the only user of the sites table
[11:47:50] <liangent>	 aude: I mean, do we have other consumers of sitematrix output?
[11:48:04] <aude>	 no idea
[11:48:21] <aude>	 could be nice if site matrix gave some more info
[11:48:58] <liangent>	 aude: is sitematrix currently wikimedia-specific?
[11:49:07] <aude>	 pretty much, yes
[11:49:35] <aude>	 has variables like $fishbowl :)
[11:49:51] <aude>	 unless some other wikifarm has fishbowls also
[11:50:24] <aude>	 if ( preg_match( "/(.*)$site\$/", $db, $m ) ) { 
[11:50:28] <aude>	 looks specific
[11:51:35] <liangent>	 aude: not really. having $suffix is a part of core
[11:51:53] <liangent>	 but fishbowl really seems so
[11:51:54] <aude>	 liangent: some of the site configuration code is n core
[11:51:57] <aude>	 in
[11:52:28] <aude>	 but site matrix definitely seems a bit specific
[11:53:09] <aude>	 it also reports sitename: "Wikipedia", 
[11:53:17] <aude>	 for all sites, even non-wikipedia 
[11:53:21] <aude>	 (definitely a bug)
[11:53:48] <liangent>	 aude: that "wikipedia" was even hardcoded in core
[11:53:53] <liangent>	 and I removed it a while ago
[11:53:55] <aude>	 really?
[11:53:57] <aude>	 wow
[11:54:11] <liangent>	 aude: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/66338
[11:54:41] <aude>	 so anyway, a bit more work is needed for the sites table and related code
[12:06:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Revert "Revert "Made SnakList/Reference order-aware"" [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85193 
[12:06:38] <liangent>	 aude: for best b/c, I propose     <language code="be-x-old" effective-code="be-tarask" name="беларуская (тарашкевіца)‎" localname="беларуская (тарашкевіца)‎">       <site>         <site url="http://be-x-old.wikipedia.org" dbname="be_x_oldwiki" code="wiki" sitename="Вікіпэдыя" />       </site>     </language> if we decide to fix it in sitematrix?
[12:07:15] <liangent>	 aude: anyway what're expected usages of sites_language
[12:07:37] <liangent>	 do we use it to compose dbname, for example?
[12:08:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Addshore: [C: 032] Revert "Revert "Made SnakList/Reference order-aware"" [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85193 (owner: 10Tobias Gritschacher)
[12:11:33] <aude>	 liangent: global site id is dbname
[12:11:40] <aude>	 in wikimedias case]
[12:12:02] * aude  trying to eat and type

[12:13:10] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: ping
[12:13:43] <aude>	 tobi we have a bug about the site links on beta
[12:14:04] <aude>	 a possible temporary work around but will need to poke more people for a permanent fix
[12:14:11] <liangent>	 aude: I know. my dbname refers to site id. I think we don't need raw db names at most places, right?
[12:14:34] <aude>	 liangent: shouldn't
[12:14:39] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: Guten Abend
[12:14:41] <aude>	 it's just an identifier
[12:14:55] <aude>	 in wikimedia case, it's used as an identifier 
[12:14:58] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: we're having a strange problem with jenkins
[12:15:01] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: hmm it is probably too early to use "Abend"
[12:15:13] <aude>	 heh
[12:15:13] <Tobi_WMDE>	 it is for us here, too early indeed
[12:15:25] <hashar>	 so what is wrong in jenkins ? :-D
[12:15:54] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: it seems it "caches" an old version of a file
[12:16:01] <aude>	 ugh
[12:16:26] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: got any specific job around ? 
[12:16:51] <hashar>	 maybe the workspace is not properly cleaned out
[12:16:52] <addshore>	 hashar: jenkins doesnt seem to be noticing that file is changing :/ hence failing tests
[12:17:02] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mwext-Wikibase-repo-tests/4207/console
[12:17:24] <Tobi_WMDE>	 it fails in a line that in the current version of that file contains a comment
[12:17:48] <Tobi_WMDE>	 but jenkins seems to have the previous version of that file
[12:18:03] <hashar>	 12:11:32 Wiping out workspace first.
[12:18:07] <hashar>	 at least the workspace is fresh
[12:19:10] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: addshore: which file is it ? 
[12:19:26] <addshore>	 extensions\Wikibase\lib\tests\phpunit\serializers\SerializerBaseTest.php
[12:20:42] <hashar>	 remember jenkins tests the patchset merged on the tip of master
[12:21:00] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: can you inspect what version of that file was used by jenkins in that failing build?
[12:21:16] <hashar>	 $ md5sum lib/tests/phpunit/serializers/SerializerBaseTest.php 
[12:21:16] <hashar>	 bbf9f1df5d40e197855dddb61836d3be  lib/tests/phpunit/serializers/SerializerBaseTest.php
[12:21:37] <aude>	 multichill: ping
[12:21:44] <multichill>	 pong
[12:21:52] <aude>	 so, commons interwiki table is the same as on wikipedia?
[12:22:03] <aude>	 https://gist.github.com/filbertkm/6636631/revisions
[12:22:12] <aude>	 revision 2 is commons, revision 1 is what i got for enwiki
[12:22:15] <aude>	 they are identical
[12:22:24] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: the file should be  https://doc.wikimedia.org/SerializerBaseTest.php.txt
[12:22:35] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: md5sum is bbf9f1df5d40e197855dddb61836d3be
[12:22:40] <aude>	 or it might just be one cdb
[12:22:44] <multichill>	 yup
[12:22:45] <aude>	 and each wiki uses it differently
[12:23:03] <aude>	 but looks like commons has the local prefixes e.g. 'en' that go to enwiki
[12:23:15] <aude>	 +__list:_wiki aa ab ace a
[12:23:18] <aude>	 ....
[12:23:27] <aude>	 wikidata would probably look like that too
[12:23:36] <aude>	 since it's wikidatawiki :)
[12:24:15] <multichill>	 aude: The interlanguage prefixes are the same as Wikipedia
[12:24:24] <aude>	 so it seems :)
[12:24:32] <aude>	 all very interesting and means i  need to make another patch
[12:24:39] <multichill>	 en      |         521619, de      |         319236, fr      |         311297
[12:24:45] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: but jenkins is failing on line 88 in that file, which is a comment..
[12:24:57] <multichill>	 aude:  SELECT ll_lang, COUNT(ll_lang) FROM langlinks GROUP BY ll_lang ORDER BY COUNT(ll_lang) DESC LIMIT 30;
[12:25:34] <Tobi_WMDE>	 in the old version of the file, line 88 was indeed a place where jenkins could fail
[12:25:58] <Tobi_WMDE>	 but it should not in that version
[12:26:07] <Tobi_WMDE>	 i'm slighly confused
[12:26:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Daniel Kinzler: Remove formatting logic from ChangeOps [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84975 
[12:26:59] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: let me rebuild it and look at the file while it is building :-]
[12:27:06] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: can you just trigger jenkins to run on current master of the extension?
[12:27:20] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: yes, please
[12:27:55] <hashar>	 waiting for another build to complete
[12:28:13] <aude>	 multichill: ok
[12:28:17] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Daniel Kinzler: Remove formmating logic from ClaimSummaryBuilder. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84979 
[12:28:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Remove formmating logic from ClaimSummaryBuilder. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84979 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[12:28:28] <addshore>	 hashar: is there anyway to have more jobs running in parallel for jenkis tests? :O (what is the current limit)?
[12:28:33] <aude>	 thanks for confirming this
[12:28:43] <hashar>	 addshore: only one build per job right now
[12:29:12] <hashar>	 addshore: last time I enabled parallel jobs,, that killed the box :-]
[12:29:22] <addshore>	 hashar: more boxes? ;p
[12:29:26] <hashar>	 addshore: I am provisionning a second server though
[12:29:49] <multichill>	 aude: Quick question, is it possible to get the sitelink for another project? So on the Dutch Wikipedia article about Haarlem, get the Wikivoyage article about Haarlem? If yes, how?
[12:30:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Remove formatting logic from ChangeOps [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84975 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[12:30:07] <aude>	 probably not on monday but should be possible
[12:30:22] <aude>	 we need to improve how we handle interwikis a bit more
[12:30:48] <aude>	 getting it to construct "voy:de:...."
[12:31:19] <multichill>	 aude: In the Dutch Wikipedia we have other projects in the left toolbar, see https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haarlem
[12:31:28] <multichill>	 It has Wikivoyage and Commons in there
[12:31:50] <aude>	 yes, and wikivoyage has other projects in the sidebar
[12:32:43] <aude>	 hello addshore !
[12:32:48] <aude>	 what do you need?
[12:33:08] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: so Jenkins is testing a merge of e1ad975 fdedf75  .  The file md5sum is 30fb4ef562cd5e715f5a57643e1c95b7  and I have copied it again at https://doc.wikimedia.org/SerializerBaseTest.php.txt
[12:33:50] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: line 88 correspond to the assertMeaningfulEquals() calls
[12:34:10] <aude>	 multichill: checking if we have a bug for that yet
[12:34:20] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: but that is the wrong version of the file, it should be https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/84527/14/lib/tests/phpunit/serializers/SerializerBaseTest.php
[12:34:45] <hashar>	     Merge commit 'refs/changes/27/84527/14' of ssh://gerrit.wikimedia.org:29418/mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase
[12:34:46] <hashar>	 should be
[12:34:47] <hashar>	 :(
[12:36:20] <addshore>	 =[
[12:36:42] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: so, jenkins somehow gets the wrong file from somewhere?
[12:37:06] <aude>	 multichill: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54374
[12:37:27] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: addshore looking at the file in the workspace, it has the correct version with a trailing whitespace in @group
[12:37:42] <hashar>	 seems my copy is wrong grlmbmbmb
[12:38:07] <multichill>	 aude: Thank you. Is it even possible to access the sitelinks now using lua?
[12:38:08] <addshore>	 :<
[12:38:09] <hashar>	 here it is https://doc.wikimedia.org/SerializerBaseTest.php.txt
[12:38:12] <hashar>	 sorry for the confusion
[12:38:20] <aude>	 multichill: i think so
[12:38:43] <multichill>	 Because if it's in lua, I can use it in a template, template updates the sidebar :P
[12:38:49] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: that would be the right one. but obviously not the one beeing tested
[12:38:54] <aude>	 would be nice
[12:39:04] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Daniel Kinzler: Handle formatting errors gracefully [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84978 
[12:39:14] <multichill>	 Found it at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wikibase_Client/Lua
[12:39:40] <Tobi_WMDE>	 because if so, I have no clue why jenkins fails on exactly that line where it should fail in the old version of the file
[12:39:43] * aude  needs to spend more time to learn more about lua

[12:39:54] <aude>	 and coding templates :)
[12:41:20] <hashar>	 echo "Dumping first 25 lines of extensions/Wikibase/lib/tests/phpunit/serializers/SerializerBaseTest.php"
[12:41:21] <hashar>	 head -n25 extensions/Wikibase/lib/tests/phpunit/serializers/SerializerBaseTest.php
[12:41:25] <hashar>	 will add that to the job
[12:41:31] * multichill  too

[12:42:06] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: can you probably echo the first 100 lines?
[12:42:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Handle formatting errors gracefully [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84978 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[12:42:29] <multichill>	 Hmm, this looks interesting. I can do a getEntity() on Haarlem, than get the category from the claim and than get the sitelink. Let's see if I can get that to work
[12:43:01] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: the 25 firsts are at https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mwext-Wikibase-repo-tests/4211/consoleFull
[12:43:22] <multichill>	 O, wait, local...
[12:43:40] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: the 100 first at https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mwext-Wikibase-repo-tests/4212/consoleFull :-D
[12:44:19] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: that's the wrong file. e.g. @file got removed in that change
[12:44:26] <Tobi_WMDE>	 see https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/84527/14/lib/tests/phpunit/serializers/SerializerBaseTest.php
[12:46:30] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: then we have a huge issue with git :(
[12:47:04] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: heh
[12:47:28] <Tobi_WMDE>	 I'll going to try something
[12:50:01] <multichill>	 aude: What is going to be the language for Commons? So for example when I ask for a label.
[12:51:39] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: and of course I can't reproduce the issue manually :-((((
[12:52:33] <aude>	 multichill: english
[12:52:49] <aude>	 if i understand what you are doing
[12:52:58] <multichill>	 k
[12:53:28] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: this change introduces another failure: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/85197/ which SHOULD REALLY fail. But it doesn't fail on jenkins.
[12:53:33] <aude>	 on wikidata, it will display in the item page as "english" and "commons wiki"
[12:53:37] <aude>	 commonswiki
[12:53:41] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 032] Add editentity claims support [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/81671 (owner: 10Addshore)
[12:53:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Add editentity claims support [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/81671 (owner: 10Addshore)
[12:53:56] <aude>	 like it say English and enwiki
[12:54:06] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: so, yes, there has to be a problem with git or how jenkins fetches the change
[12:55:26] <JeroenDeDauw>	 panic?
[12:58:23] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: also seems to happen in other repos: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/85198/
[12:59:45] <hashar>	 I need a way to reproduce the stupid issue
[13:03:36] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: probably a disc space problem? just guessing..
[13:03:49] <hashar>	 let me check that
[13:03:59] <hashar>	 na it is fine :-]
[13:04:09] <JeroenDeDauw>	 lack of cats?
[13:04:32] <JeroenDeDauw>	 you can give me ssh access to make sure this is not a problem
[13:05:31] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Lydia_WMDE: am I still in time for the weekly?
[13:06:56] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: yes
[13:08:19] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Hashar: make Jenkins fail [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85198 (owner: 10Tobias Gritschacher)
[13:09:09] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Lydia_WMDE: huh what?
[13:09:14] <JeroenDeDauw>	 No one added stuff yet?
[13:09:21] <JeroenDeDauw>	 I got confused and added it to last week now?
[13:09:28] <Lydia_WMDE>	 arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
[13:09:45] * Lydia_WMDE  looks @ addshore aude Tobi_WMDE Henning_WMDE

[13:09:53] <aude>	 :)
[13:10:04] <aude>	 panic
[13:10:21] <JeroenDeDauw>	 not panic, pure rage
[13:10:23] <hashar>	 Sheiße
[13:10:29] <aude>	 :)
[13:10:29] * hashar  panics and rages

[13:10:40] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Lydia_WMDE: y u no rage to Denny_WMDE as well? ;p
[13:10:44] <hashar>	 AZEOIAZR HAZR HA ERE
[13:10:47] <hashar>	 sorry swearing
[13:10:58] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: i make a careful selection ;-)
[13:11:03] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: Jenkins is perfectly fine :-]
[13:11:14] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: it is just that hmmm
[13:11:22] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: it does not apply the patch on the extension :-]
[13:12:01] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: ok
[13:12:11] <Tobi_WMDE>	 so it's not fine?
[13:12:55] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: that means the bug is probably much easier to find .  I was suspecting an issue in how git handle creating the files themselves.  It seems it is "just" Jenkins not applying the patch to the repo for some reason
[13:13:36] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: ok, but that's a problem for all the extensions then I guess
[13:13:53] <hashar>	 I guess so
[13:13:56] <Tobi_WMDE>	 ok
[13:15:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Mwjames: "I have seen similar things for SMW, where $this->assertTrue( False ) didn't yield a failure on Jenkins (well luckily Travis failed)." [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85198 (owner: 10Tobias Gritschacher)
[13:21:04] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Lydia_WMDE: you mean discriminzation?
[13:21:12] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: yes!
[13:21:25] <Lydia_WMDE>	 <- pure evil
[13:22:28] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: I found the issue
[13:22:41] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: \o/
[13:22:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Remove some no longer needed scrutinizer config [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85200 
[13:22:53] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE:  I should be fired 
[13:22:53] <hashar>	 :D
[13:22:57] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: what was it?
[13:23:08] <aude>	 noooooo
[13:23:18] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: actually I got two issues.  The first is that the jenkins workspace is not deleted for some obscure reason
[13:23:32] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: the second is that the extension with the patchset is fetched in mediawiki/extensions/NameOfExtension
[13:23:51] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: but MEdiaWiki loads the one which is in  extensions/NameOfExtension  (aka without   mediawiki/  in front of it
[13:24:05] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 032 V: 032] Remove some no longer needed scrutinizer config [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85200 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[13:24:06] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: well, ok
[13:24:16] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: so, it should work again?
[13:24:21] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: to be short, well hmm Jenkins has been testing whatever repository is left in the workspace for the last few days
[13:25:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Tobias Gritschacher: make Jenkins fail [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85198 
[13:25:41] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] make Jenkins fail [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85198 (owner: 10Tobias Gritschacher)
[13:26:11] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: the root cause is https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/84918/1/defaults.yaml,unified
[13:26:40] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: previously we were fetching the extension under  extension/NameOfExtension .   Now we fetch it under  mediawiki/extensions/NameOfExtension (the gerrit project name)
[13:27:26] <Tobi_WMDE>	 makes sense
[13:27:32] <hashar>	 but
[13:27:51] <hashar>	 that issues should have been highlighted two days ago if Jenkins was properly deleting everything in the workspace which it is apparently not doing
[13:28:09] <hashar>	 I had to manually clear out the workspace of mwext-WikibaseDataModel-testextensions-master  
[13:30:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Tobias Gritschacher: make Jenkins fail [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85198 
[13:30:49] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] make Jenkins fail [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85198 (owner: 10Tobias Gritschacher)
[13:34:52] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: how would I say in german:  "Thank you very much add shore Tobias to have spotted this issue"  ? :-]
[13:35:42] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: "Danke, Tobias und addshore, dass ihr dieses Problem gefunden habt."
[13:36:40] <hashar>	 i really need to relearn german
[13:36:44] <hashar>	 or relocate in Berlin
[13:38:04] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: :)
[13:38:21] <hashar>	 I would not mind going there
[13:44:16] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Hashar: make Jenkins fail [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85198 (owner: 10Tobias Gritschacher)
[13:44:22] <hashar>	 validating
[13:44:26] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] make Jenkins fail [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85198 (owner: 10Tobias Gritschacher)
[13:44:41] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: fails as expected https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mwext-WikibaseDataModel-testextensions-master/305/console
[13:45:00] <hashar>	 1 hour and a half to find and fix it :(
[13:45:07] <hashar>	 and yet… it was such a simple typo :(
[13:45:52] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: it's always the simple ones which are hard to find
[13:46:51] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: thx!
[13:47:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Tobias Gritschacher: make Jenkins fail [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85198 (owner: 10Tobias Gritschacher)
[13:48:40] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS6) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Implemented "snaks-order" parameter in SetReference API module [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84517 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[13:48:41] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Implemented "snaks-order" parameter in reference serializer [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84516 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[13:48:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS7) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Using listview to group referenceview's snaks [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84326 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[13:48:43] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Registered movetoolbar definition for references [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84506 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[13:48:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Triggering snaklistview's "change" event when moving items [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84507 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[13:49:30] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS23) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Add editentity claims support [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/81671 (owner: 10Addshore)
[13:50:03] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: really thank you very much, the WikidataDataModel test case made me found the issue
[13:50:26] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hashar: so everything should work fine from now on?
[13:50:32] <hashar>	 should yeah
[13:50:48] <Tobi_WMDE>	 ok, I'll retrigger some submits then
[13:50:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] "resubmitting after Jenkins was fixed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/81671 (owner: 10Addshore)
[13:51:28] <hashar>	 I am resubmitting adshore change https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/84527/
[13:54:11] <addshore>	 why thankyou :)
[13:54:26] <addshore>	 WOO CLAIM SUPPORT!
[13:55:28] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Tobias Gritschacher: No longer require mainsnak when removing claims [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84958 (owner: 10Addshore)
[13:55:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] "resubmitting +2 by DanielK after Jenkins was fixed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84958 (owner: 10Addshore)
[13:56:02] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Allow editing of claims in property groups [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84962 (owner: 10Addshore)
[13:56:26] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] "resubmitting +2 by DanielK after Jenkins got fixed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84962 (owner: 10Addshore)
[13:56:33] <hashar>	 addshore: thank you to have spotted some file is not properly updated
[13:57:54] <hashar>	 I have enabled concurrent builds https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mwext-Wikibase-testextensions-master/ 
[13:58:01] <hashar>	 it is quite busy and failing 
[13:58:25] <hashar>	 sorry tobi
[14:01:11] <Denny_WMDE>	 hashar: yay!
[14:01:23] <Denny_WMDE>	 hashar: (not for the failing, for the concurrency)
[14:01:31] <Denny_WMDE>	 all the cpu are belong to us!
[14:01:57] <addshore>	 hashar: mhhm https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mwext-Wikibase-testextensions-master/4709/console :< might concurrent builds break things :D
[14:02:04] <addshore>	 I love jenkins :D
[14:02:06] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Registered movetoolbar definition for references [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84506 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[14:02:49] <hashar>	 addshore: yeah I was careless again
[14:03:02] <hashar>	 addshore: the sqlite database is common to all builds of a job :(
[14:03:29] <addshore>	 can has more databases? :>
[14:03:36] <hashar>	 should
[14:04:03] <addshore>	 hashar: can has more cookies? :P
[14:04:32] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE: I will resubmit a bunch of them again
[14:05:08] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Triggering snaklistview's "change" event when moving items [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84507 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[14:08:11] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Add editentity claims support [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/81671 (owner: 10Addshore)
[14:08:40] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS7) 10Hashar: Implemented "snaks-order" parameter in SetReference API module [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84517 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[14:08:41] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS6) 10Hashar: Implemented "snaks-order" parameter in reference serializer [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84516 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[14:08:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS8) 10Hashar: Using listview to group referenceview's snaks [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84326 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[14:08:43] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Hashar: Registered movetoolbar definition for references [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84506 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[14:08:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS6) 10Hashar: Triggering snaklistview's "change" event when moving items [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84507 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[14:09:14] <thisAndThat>	 so
[14:09:22] <Denny_WMDE>	 hey
[14:09:25] <Denny_WMDE>	 i am fine with public :)
[14:09:29] <thisAndThat>	 ok
[14:09:34] <Denny_WMDE>	 it will be logged, just in case you dunno
[14:09:45] <thisAndThat>	 np I'm fine with that
[14:10:05] <thisAndThat>	 first of I wanted to ask you if you have seen this:
[14:10:09] <Lydia_WMDE>	 legoktm: is your bot updating the status update page with properties every day for the past seven days?
[14:10:17] <thisAndThat>	 http://classes.soe.ucsc.edu/cmps179/Spring13/
[14:10:17] <Lydia_WMDE>	 legoktm: only needed every friday i guess
[14:10:28] <thisAndThat>	 and then scroll down to "wikipedia Interactive diagrams"
[14:10:35] <Denny_WMDE>	 no i have not
[14:10:53] <Denny_WMDE>	 that looks very cool
[14:11:11] <Denny_WMDE>	 that's very very cool
[14:11:17] <thisAndThat>	 have a look at the chess example:
[14:11:18] <thisAndThat>	 http://classes.soe.ucsc.edu/cmps179/Spring13/Final/niqnguye/chess3/
[14:11:33] <Denny_WMDE>	 pure java script?
[14:11:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Add editentity claims support [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/81671 (owner: 10Addshore)
[14:11:45] <thisAndThat>	 I would think so
[14:12:02] <Denny_WMDE>	 that is pretty awesome
[14:12:11] <thisAndThat>	 it is indeed
[14:13:07] <thisAndThat>	 Last time I suggested more interactivity in the wikimedia dev channel , I didn't get mich or positiv feedback
[14:13:51] <Denny_WMDE>	 i fully agree with your sentiment
[14:13:55] <Denny_WMDE>	 there should be more interactivity
[14:14:04] <Denny_WMDE>	 at the same time, the question is, how to make this save
[14:14:07] <Denny_WMDE>	 safe
[14:14:12] <Denny_WMDE>	 for the readers to use
[14:14:16] <thisAndThat>	 I think there is a obvious problem between the people who want to have wikipedia as "read only" implementation
[14:14:39] <Denny_WMDE>	 i think they can be widely ignored
[14:14:46] <Denny_WMDE>	 we are starting adding video
[14:14:52] <Denny_WMDE>	 more and more
[14:14:57] <thisAndThat>	 but the point is I guess that the "term" encyclopedia is changing quite a bit, wikipedia has long grown out of it IMHO
[14:14:57] <Denny_WMDE>	 and animated grafics
[14:15:02] <Denny_WMDE>	 aye
[14:15:26] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Henning Snater: Always update position of all claim group labels [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85208 
[14:15:43] <thisAndThat>	 If you wan tto transfer knowledge interactivity is absolut important
[14:16:00] <Denny_WMDE>	 i agree
[14:17:10] <Denny_WMDE>	 are you a wikipedian?
[14:17:14] <thisAndThat>	 A few month ago I attended a local meetup ok wikipedia, here in frankfurt
[14:17:26] <thisAndThat>	 yes i have an account
[14:18:10] <Denny_WMDE>	 did you make the suggestion on-wiki?
[14:18:22] <thisAndThat>	 for the posted links above?
[14:18:47] <Denny_WMDE>	 for the whole idea
[14:19:29] <thisAndThat>	 Hm yeah I guess thats my main point, just to "get" some ideas going it seems like a burden
[14:20:19] <thisAndThat>	 I wouldn't even know where to start, and I'm uncertain how much effort would be needed just to get a discussion started
[14:20:27] <Denny_WMDE>	 it can be quite some effort
[14:20:37] <thisAndThat>	 thats an understatement ^^
[14:20:37] <Denny_WMDE>	 i have a few technical considerations
[14:20:44] <Denny_WMDE>	 especially with regards to security, as said
[14:21:12] <Denny_WMDE>	 if this could be resolved, we could have all this fun things
[14:21:30] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: No longer require mainsnak when removing claims [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84958 (owner: 10Addshore)
[14:21:35] <thisAndThat>	 the wikipedia software itself , is SO hard to use, I mean yes you have notification mechanism if you want to talk to each other
[14:21:48] <thisAndThat>	 but at the heart wikipedia is a community
[14:22:08] <pragunbhutani>	 aude: hello
[14:22:31] <thisAndThat>	 but the software evolved arround writing pages, it is rather bad for chats, messages and notifications as people are used to from other appplications
[14:23:27] <Denny_WMDE>	 thisAndThat: the Echo and Flow projects are improving it in this direction
[14:23:28] <aude>	 hi
[14:23:46] <Denny_WMDE>	 thisAndThat: and VisualEditor is making great strides for writing
[14:23:50] <thisAndThat>	 Denny_WMDE: you have a link for that?
[14:24:01] <thisAndThat>	 Denny_WMDE: yes VE is finally making progress
[14:24:06] <Denny_WMDE>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Echo_(Notifications)
[14:24:19] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Revert "Adjust ReferenceSerializer tests to change in WikibaseDataModel". [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85190 (owner: 10Addshore)
[14:24:20] <Denny_WMDE>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Flow_Portal
[14:24:26] <pragunbhutani>	 aude: some time back Quim gil had put out a call for possible mentorship projects
[14:24:41] <pragunbhutani>	 can we also put the mobile skin up there?
[14:24:50] <pragunbhutani>	 if someone would like to join in and contribute
[14:24:52] <aude>	 sure
[14:24:53] <pragunbhutani>	 I'd be happy to help
[14:25:03] <aude>	 cool :)
[14:25:07] <lazowik>	 thisAndThat: Denny_WMDE: yep, but unfortunately some established members of communities just despise these improvements :(
[14:25:39] <thisAndThat>	 I think its a consequence of diversity
[14:25:50] <lazowik>	 on plwp there were even arguments that simply having VE enabled on wiki would slow it down
[14:25:53] <thisAndThat>	 you can't force all users into uniform userinterfaces and workflows
[14:26:02] <pragunbhutani>	 aude: so should I just go ahead and edit the wiki? or should I write to someone and ask them to do so?
[14:26:29] <thisAndThat>	 you should be able to configure you workflow , in your personal settings
[14:26:46] <Denny_WMDE>	 thisAndThat: this is exactly what flow is aiming at
[14:26:50] <thisAndThat>	 Denny_WMDE: OK, do you have experience with "logic" programming?
[14:27:08] <Denny_WMDE>	 thisAndThat: yes, I do
[14:27:25] <thisAndThat>	 Denny_WMDE: what languages, plattforms did you use?
[14:27:49] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Allow editing of claims in property groups [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84962 (owner: 10Addshore)
[14:27:49] <aude>	 pragunbhutani: i think you can add it but might be good to also email quim
[14:27:52] <aude>	 so he knows
[14:27:59] <pragunbhutani>	 okay, will do so
[14:28:20] <Denny_WMDE>	 thisAndThat: uhm, mostly owl, datalog, f-logic, but also some prolog
[14:29:02] <thisAndThat>	 Denny_WMDE: have you heard of Clojure a Lisp Dialect running on the JVM but also in the Browser?
[14:29:23] <Denny_WMDE>	 thisAndThat: yes
[14:29:59] <thisAndThat>	 Denny_WMDE: there is a nice logic programing library: core.logic
[14:30:24] <thisAndThat>	 Denny_WMDE: seems like people have used it for obvious things: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/clojure/wikidata/clojure/W9KwnX1lVCo/5T1ENWUuFP4J
[14:30:25] <Denny_WMDE>	 there was someone doing some logic programming on the wikidata mailing list a few weeks ago
[14:31:11] <Denny_WMDE>	 yeah, i think it might have been the same person
[14:31:44] <thisAndThat>	 Denny_WMDE: do you have a link
[14:32:44] <Denny_WMDE>	 http://www.mail-archive.com/wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org/msg02564.html
[14:32:58] <Denny_WMDE>	 same email, more answers and discussions following
[14:33:17] <Denny_WMDE>	 also markus krötzsch of oxford is known to be interested in these topic very strongly
[14:33:20] <Denny_WMDE>	 are you an academic?
[14:33:41] <thisAndThat>	 Denny_WMDE: no just curious :)
[14:34:33] <Denny_WMDE>	 ok, still, he is much more knowledgeable in logic programming than me :)
[14:35:03] <thisAndThat>	 "to check for property constraint violations in real time instead of using custom code and bots" that sounds good
[14:35:32] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Aude: Populate Wikipedia interwiki ids for Commons and Wikidata [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85212 
[14:36:09] <aude>	 Tobi_WMDE:  like to review? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/85212/
[14:36:12] <aude>	 :)
[14:36:25] <aude>	 we probably won't touch the sites tables until monday
[14:36:57] <aude>	 this is however needed for the site links to work on commons correctly
[14:38:09] <thisAndThat>	 Denny_WMDE: I think the same way diffrent facts can be added to wikidata, it should be possible, even necessary to have diffrent representation of data in wikipedia
[14:39:06] <thisAndThat>	 Denny_WMDE: if someone doesnt like the representation of the data for the periodic table it, there should be multiple templates available: interactive / noninteractive etc.
[14:40:00] <Denny_WMDE>	 thisAndThat: this is getting a bit confusing
[14:40:13] <Denny_WMDE>	 thisAndThat: this is what I mean with writing down a concrete proposal in wiki
[14:40:16] <thisAndThat>	 Denny_WMDE: it still feels like the "ownership" to a certain article prevents this, although diffrent representations might be valid
[14:40:36] <Denny_WMDE>	 thisAndThat: this is not a technological problem, but an editorial one
[14:40:48] <thisAndThat>	 Denny_WMDE: if knowledge representation and transfer would be that easy :)
[14:40:48] <Denny_WMDE>	 and the NPOV policy *should* be resolving these issues
[14:41:00] <thisAndThat>	 Denny_WMDE: yes not a tech issue , i agree
[14:42:17] <thisAndThat>	 I think if you can explain this "diffrent representation" for the same or diffrent facts to old AND new users, wikipedia will be again growing
[14:42:43] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] Using listview to group referenceview's snaks [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84326 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[14:43:10] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 04-1] "Missing regression test" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85188 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:43:20] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Fix validation of snakhash parameter [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85188 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:43:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 04-1] Fix validation of snakhash parameter [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85188 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:43:32] <Denny_WMDE>	 thisAndThat: Wikipedia is growing
[14:43:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS31) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Implement merge api module [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/79988 (owner: 10Addshore)
[14:44:02] <thisAndThat>	 Denny_WMDE: the data maybe , the comunity too?
[14:44:10] <Denny_WMDE>	 thisAndThat: and I am not sure I fully understand what you mean with your proposed solution
[14:44:24] <Denny_WMDE>	 thisAndThat: no, the community is not growing since 2005 in total numbers
[14:44:34] <thisAndThat>	 Denny_WMDE: I fear its a little shallow over a chat
[14:44:51] <Denny_WMDE>	 thisAndThat: yes, that is why I suggest you write down a proposal in wiki :)
[14:44:52] <addshore>	 :O
[14:44:55] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Addshore: Introducing DispatchingValueFormatter and OutputFormatValueFormatterFactory. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84768 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:45:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS13) 10Addshore: Factoring formatting logic out of Summary class [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84313 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:45:05] <Denny_WMDE>	 thisAndThat: as succinct as possible, as clear as possible
[14:45:12] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Addshore: Remove formatting logic from ChangeOps [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84975 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:45:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Addshore: Handle formatting errors gracefully [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84978 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:45:15] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Addshore: Remove formmating logic from ClaimSummaryBuilder. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84979 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:46:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] Registered movetoolbar definition for references [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84506 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[14:47:19] <thisAndThat>	 Denny_WMDE: Alan kays says: well if you write a paper about a "thing" and quote something people like, you put a footnote in your text. But if you mention/incorporate something they dont like you have to explain it to them, which ends up beeing longer than waht you intended to say
[14:48:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Henning Snater: Always update position of all claim group labels [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85208 
[14:49:15] <thisAndThat>	 Denny_WMDE: well I appreciate your time, and I hope some tech. solutions as edit. will make wikipedia even better for all people, especially newcomers
[14:51:07] <JeroenDeDauw>	 addshore: https://scrutinizer-ci.com/g/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/compare/1e5a08b5f8d1acb0d3743cc472980225f6c04aa0...5c22e79f3e90e17991ebff13e237b9ea400b623c
[14:51:10] <Denny_WMDE>	 thisAndThat: i hope so too
[14:51:53] <Denny_WMDE>	 but I do not see that this can be resolved only with technology
[14:52:17] <thisAndThat>	 Denny_WMDE: its always about the people :)
[14:52:27] <Denny_WMDE>	 yes, it always is :)
[14:52:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Using listview to group referenceview's snaks [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84326 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[14:52:32] <Denny_WMDE>	 the good, the bad, and the ugly :)
[14:54:05] <thisAndThat>	 Denny_WMDE: OK, till next time, bye!
[14:54:27] <Denny_WMDE>	 thisAndThat: thanks for the link, and bye!
[14:55:04] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Forcing redraw of snakview variation when changing the property [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84763 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[14:55:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] Forcing redraw of snakview variation when changing the property [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84763 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[14:56:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] Triggering snaklistview's "change" event when moving items [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84507 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[14:58:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Implement merge api module [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/79988 (owner: 10Addshore)
[15:05:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Remove formatting logic from ChangeOps [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84975 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[15:08:33] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Handle formatting errors gracefully [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84978 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[15:10:33] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: "(2 comments)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84975 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[15:14:27] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Registered movetoolbar definition for references [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84506 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[15:23:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Forcing redraw of snakview variation when changing the property [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84763 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[15:25:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] Populate Wikipedia interwiki ids for Commons and Wikidata [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85212 (owner: 10Aude)
[15:26:15] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Triggering snaklistview's "change" event when moving items [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84507 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[15:27:28] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] Implemented "snaks-order" parameter in reference serializer [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84516 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[15:27:37] <aude>	 thanks Tobi_WMDE !
[15:27:59] <aude>	 maybe we can setup test.wikidata with commons site links later today
[15:29:11] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Populate Wikipedia interwiki ids for Commons and Wikidata [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85212 (owner: 10Aude)
[15:32:04] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Implemented "snaks-order" parameter in reference serializer [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84516 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[15:33:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 I have an idea
[15:33:15] <Denny_WMDE>	 ToAruShiroiNeko: speak!
[15:33:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 why not make the wikidata logo be machine readable to say wiki or wikidata?
[15:33:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 I know its a fake barcode atm
[15:33:46] <Denny_WMDE>	 because they don't look cool
[15:33:58] <Denny_WMDE>	 real barcodes are just numbers
[15:34:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 QR code?
[15:34:10] <Denny_WMDE>	 and qr codes, which could do that, don't look pretty
[15:34:32] <Denny_WMDE>	 also, the wikidata logo has several layers of meaning
[15:34:38] <Denny_WMDE>	 it is not just looking like a barcode
[15:34:54] <Denny_WMDE>	 it further encodes meaning in morse… :)
[15:37:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 http://www.qrstuff.com/generate.download?type=URL&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2F&shorturl=0&foreground_color=000000&ecc_level=L&width_pixels=200&dpi=72&file_type=png
[15:37:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 thatd be http://www.wikidata.org/
[15:37:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 Denny_WMDE okay maybe as an alternate logo
[15:37:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 it would be colored with WMF colors
[15:38:02] <Denny_WMDE>	 ToAruShiroiNeko: like this? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata-qr-color.png
[15:38:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 yeah
[15:38:36] <Denny_WMDE>	 hmm, i think the current logo with its multiple layers of meaning is more timeless
[15:38:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 both could be used
[15:38:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 consider on a pamphlet
[15:39:12] <Denny_WMDE>	 well, we could defintiively use a qr code on a pamphlet
[15:39:15] <Denny_WMDE>	 no need to make it a logo
[15:39:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 what I mean is it being used with the logo in such a case
[15:40:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 it could be also displayed with the logo where top would be the current barcode, middle the current text and below the qr code.
[15:40:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 wikidata logo being machine readable would be cool :3
[15:40:50] <Denny_WMDE>	 :)
[15:40:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 thats my main idea I suppose
[15:41:08] <Denny_WMDE>	 yeah, using a qr code on printed material makes a lot of sense
[15:41:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 I'd even suggest this be applied to the site logo but you'd probbaly object to that
[15:42:05] <Denny_WMDE>	 the site logo is constrained in its dimensions
[15:42:14] <Denny_WMDE>	 and should be square
[15:42:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 its not a square atm
[15:42:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 that can be fixed with editing magic
[15:42:44] <Denny_WMDE>	 the logo as a whole (including the text) is square, 135*135 pixels
[15:43:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 putting the QR code in there would move "Main page" down to where create new item is or perhaps one line lower
[15:43:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 not a huge difference
[15:44:07] <Denny_WMDE>	 yeah, I am not much convinced about the advantages of a QR logo on a webiste…
[15:44:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 advantages? I am more into the symbolism of things
[15:44:47] <Denny_WMDE>	 what about making morse in barcode a standard for machine readable data? :)
[15:44:57] <Denny_WMDE>	 but there is already plenty of symbolism
[15:44:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 what'd be really really cool is if the qr code always linked to the page its been displayed on :D
[15:45:56] <Denny_WMDE>	 actually, having a qr code for every item that, when resolved, takes you to the language edition of the user, would be quite nice
[15:46:04] <Denny_WMDE>	 to use to tag real-world stuff
[15:46:09] <Denny_WMDE>	 like the brandenburg gate
[15:46:23] <Denny_WMDE>	 basically qrpedia with a little wikidata sprinkle
[15:46:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 yup
[15:46:34] <Denny_WMDE>	 you know qrpedia?
[15:46:47] <Denny_WMDE>	 i would make it a link on tools though
[15:47:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 I heard about it
[15:47:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 trying to make mobile phones not suck as much
[15:47:22] <Denny_WMDE>	 i think that would be a good fit
[15:48:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 it doesnt seem to work with wikidata
[15:49:06] <Denny_WMDE>	 no, that's what I meant with sprinkle
[15:49:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 :D
[15:49:17] <Denny_WMDE>	 there is also some code that already resolves to the appropriate article
[15:49:27] <Denny_WMDE>	 if it was already done it would be boring :)
[15:49:33] <Denny_WMDE>	 but I think it is a good start
[15:49:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 perhaps qr can be simplified if we get article ID redirects
[15:49:45] <Denny_WMDE>	 also to color the QR-codes in WMF colors :)
[15:49:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 yes
[15:49:54] <Denny_WMDE>	 in a few cases, yes
[15:49:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 wmf colors or bust! :p
[15:50:08] <Denny_WMDE>	 well, it should be optional :)
[15:50:12] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS7) 10Henning Snater: Implemented "snaks-order" parameter in reference serializer [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84516 
[15:50:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 some articles have really long titles
[15:51:15] <Denny_WMDE>	 yep
[15:51:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 13 digits would be sufficient to refer to most articles probably
[15:51:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 and each article has an article ID
[15:51:29] <Denny_WMDE>	 but you need also a URL prefix
[15:51:38] <Denny_WMDE>	 in order to be standard
[15:51:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 well, yes but that could be shortened
[15:51:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 somethinmg like en.wp.org/ID
[15:52:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 I am just throwing ideas
[15:52:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 complicated QR codes are difficult to read by phones
[15:53:58] <Denny_WMDE>	 you should take that to the project chat
[15:54:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 which channel?
[15:54:26] <Denny_WMDE>	 http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat
[15:54:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 Oh!
[15:54:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 that kind of chat :p
[15:55:01] <Denny_WMDE>	 hehe
[15:55:03] <Denny_WMDE>	 i have to leave
[15:55:09] <Denny_WMDE>	 thanks for the chat
[15:55:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 sure
[16:16:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 Denny_WMDE1: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Article_specific_QR_codes
[16:16:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 there :)
[16:18:19] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Introducing DispatchingValueFormatter and OutputFormatValueFormatterFactory. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84768 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[16:18:20] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS6) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Remove formatting logic from ChangeOps [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84975 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[16:18:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS14) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Factoring formatting logic out of Summary class [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84313 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[16:19:09] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: "PS6: fixed some of the failing tests" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84975 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[16:22:40] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Aude: Ensure populate sites works for updating existing sites [extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.22-wmf18) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85227 
[16:23:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] Ensure populate sites works for updating existing sites [extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.22-wmf18) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85227 (owner: 10Aude)
[16:23:55] <hashar>	 now I understand why we should make the test concurrents :-]
[16:24:09] <aude>	 :)
[16:24:24] * aude  waits for jenkins

[16:25:37] <hashar>	 VisualEditor has a similar issue
[16:25:58] <aude>	 i'm sure
[16:31:41] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Ensure populate sites works for updating existing sites [extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.22-wmf18) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85227 (owner: 10Aude)
[16:31:47] * aude  stabs jenkins

[16:32:07] <aude>	 the branch is incompatible with data model master
[16:34:34] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Ensure populate sites works for updating existing sites [extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.22-wmf18) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85227 (owner: 10Aude)
[17:07:35] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Aude: [V: 032] Ensure populate sites works for updating existing sites [extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.22-wmf18) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85227 (owner: 10Aude)
[17:08:11] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Aude: Populate Wikipedia interwiki ids for Commons and Wikidata [extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.22-wmf18) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85229 
[17:08:35] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032 V: 032] Populate Wikipedia interwiki ids for Commons and Wikidata [extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.22-wmf18) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85229 (owner: 10Aude)
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[17:25:49] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/compare/6b39531d8915...7392e36f8ba0
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[17:30:33] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Aude: point composer dependencies to the branches [extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.22-wmf18) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85235 
[17:30:51] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] point composer dependencies to the branches [extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.22-wmf18) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85235 (owner: 10Aude)
[17:30:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Aude: [V: 032] point composer dependencies to the branches [extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.22-wmf18) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85235 (owner: 10Aude)
[17:34:33] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Danwe_WMDE: your new job ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e70fRb--zms
[17:35:58] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase#879 (mw1.22-wmf18 - 3617541 : aude): The build has errored.
[17:35:58] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/compare/7392e36f8ba0...361754162387
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[17:44:31] <GerardM>	 I am adding information about lots of Poles on Wikidata ... for many of them it is the first statement about them
[17:45:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 poles?
[17:47:46] <Reedy>	 telegraph POLE
[17:47:48] <Reedy>	 firemans POLE
[17:51:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 pole arm?
[17:53:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Aude: In composer, require mw1.22-wmf18 DataValues for DataTypes branch [extensions/DataTypes] (mw1.22-wmf18) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85241 
[17:54:16] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] In composer, require mw1.22-wmf18 DataValues for DataTypes branch [extensions/DataTypes] (mw1.22-wmf18) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85241 (owner: 10Aude)
[17:54:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: In composer, require mw1.22-wmf18 DataValues for DataTypes branch [extensions/DataTypes] (mw1.22-wmf18) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85241 (owner: 10Aude)
[17:54:57] <GerardM>	 Poles are people from Poland
[17:56:32] <JeroenDeDauw>	 monopoles?
[17:56:48] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Aude: update composer requirements for deployment branch [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] (mw1.22-wmf18) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85242 
[17:56:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] update composer requirements for deployment branch [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] (mw1.22-wmf18) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85242 (owner: 10Aude)
[17:57:23] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-DataTypes#18 (mw1.22-wmf18 - d2a49cb : aude): The build passed.
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[17:57:48] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: update composer requirements for deployment branch [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] (mw1.22-wmf18) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85242 (owner: 10Aude)
[17:57:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 GerardM yah, I think everyone here is aware of it
[17:58:41] <GerardM>	 what I missed are the ones that dance
[17:59:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 pole based dances?
[17:59:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 oh dear...
[17:59:31] <JeroenDeDauw>	 aude: composer is awesome isnt it? ;p
[17:59:48] <aude>	 :)
[18:00:35] <aude>	 if it's a way to allow travis to run tests, then great :)
[18:01:04] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-WikibaseDataModel#102 (mw1.22-wmf18 - 9139a0d : aude): The build passed.
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[18:01:04] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-WikibaseDataModel/builds/11604104
[18:02:17] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Aude: adjust line break in readme [extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.22-wmf18) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85245 
[18:02:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] adjust line break in readme [extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.22-wmf18) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85245 (owner: 10Aude)
[18:02:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Aude: [V: 032] adjust line break in readme [extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.22-wmf18) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85245 (owner: 10Aude)
[18:14:40] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase#880 (mw1.22-wmf18 - 35c97bd : aude): The build passed.
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[18:36:25] <GerardM>	 is it possible to find out what the current sex ration is in Wikidata ?
[18:36:36] <GerardM>	 just that
[18:42:40] <multichill>	 GerardM: Ehm, what do you want to know exactly?
[18:43:33] <multichill>	 Number of men and women we have as items? That's easy
[18:43:46] <GerardM>	 that is what I want to know
[18:44:11] <GerardM>	 and if possible the number of "person"s
[18:44:46] <GerardM>	 (both "main type {GND}" and "is a" person)
[18:45:13] <multichill>	 GerardM: Just take the numbers from https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Popular_items
[18:45:59] <multichill>	 person 1337293, male 783746, female 149890, football player 137769 ;-)
[18:46:59] <multichill>	 Damn, that's bad, we almost have more football players than female's :-(
[18:48:01] <Reedy>	 aude: What's on the todo list?
[18:48:07] <GerardM>	 http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2013/09/maria-trzcinska-fajfrowska-politician.html
[18:48:29] * multichill  mumbles something about Commons and test.wikidata

[18:48:38] <GerardM>	 multichill but are these football players known as males ?
[18:49:26] <multichill>	 Probably, I guess 95% is male
[18:49:34] <wm-bot>	 Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:Wikibase Client was modified, changed by 78.87.110.119 link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=787209 edit summary: [-14470] 
[18:50:18] <GerardM>	 It is probably even more :)
[18:50:24] <wm-bot>	 Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:Wikibase Client was modified, changed by John F. Lewis link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=787211 edit summary: [+14470] Undo revision 787209 by [[Special:Contributions/78.87.110.119|78.87.110.119]] ([[User talk:78.87.110.119|talk]]) Vandalism
[18:50:27] <AsimovBot>	 10[5] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/78%2E87%2E110%2E11913 =>
[18:50:29] <AsimovBot>	 10[6] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:78%2E87%2E110%2E119
[18:52:33] <multichill>	 GerardM: It's quite easy to pull these stats from the database.
[18:53:02] <multichill>	 So if you want to have more, just go there and do a query
[19:19:18] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Add missing component registration [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85265 
[19:21:19] <aude>	 hi Reedy 
[19:21:56] <Reedy>	 heyu
[19:22:24] <aude>	 1) https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/85231/ update the submodules
[19:22:49] <aude>	 2) we can run populate sites script  on test.wikidata and test2
[19:23:15] <aude>	 3) update config https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/85230/
[19:23:36] <aude>	 4) and it needs localisation cache rebuild, per the new message
[19:23:51] <aude>	 populate sites has a parameter
[19:24:06] <Reedy>	 it's roughly lunchtime, so not going to start scap till I'm fully around
[19:24:44] <aude>	  --strip-protocols 
[19:24:45] <aude>	 no hurry
[19:25:01] <Reedy>	 Though, having plans and knowing when I'm doing would help ;)
[19:25:20] <aude>	 if the populate sites script works fine, then it can be done on other wikipedias, wikidata, wikivoyage and commons anytime
[19:25:26] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Werner: [C: 032] Add missing component registration [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85265 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[19:25:43] <aude>	 i don't see any problems with it, but never know with the caches
[19:30:05] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Use upper case for version constants [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85269 
[19:30:16] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Danwe_WMDE: ^
[19:32:57] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Werner: [C: 032] Use upper case for version constants [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85269 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[19:34:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Update magical loading to work with current paths [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85278 
[19:35:27] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Do no longer include ValueView via the common entry point [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85285 
[19:35:52] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Danwe_WMDE: ^
[19:36:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Werner: [C: 032] Do no longer include ValueView via the common entry point [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85285 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[19:37:12] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Werner: [C: 032] Update magical loading to work with current paths [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85278 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[19:37:23] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Daniel Werner: Update magical loading to work with current paths [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85278 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[19:45:39] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase#881 (master - 9d1ce9c : Translation updater bot): The build has errored.
[19:45:39] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/compare/312aa9febb9d...9d1ce9c81066
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[19:55:24] <greg-g>	 heya, wikidata folks!
[19:55:25] <greg-g>	 15:51 <   kaldari> looks like http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org is down
[19:55:29] <greg-g>	 15:51 <   kaldari> Uncaught exception 'Exception' with message 'WikibaseLib depends on the ValueView  extension.' in 
[19:55:31] <greg-g>	 /data/project/apache/common-local/php-master/extensions/Wikibase/lib/WikibaseLib.php:105
[19:55:34] <greg-g>	 thoughts?
[19:55:42] <greg-g>	 aude: awake?
[19:55:49] * aude  sighs

[19:56:04] <aude>	 give me a sec to look
[19:56:43] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] Update magical loading to work with current paths [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85278 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[19:56:54] <aude>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/85278/ should fix
[19:57:49] <JeroenDeDauw>	 it should not be broken without that change...
[19:57:56] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Danwe_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/85278/
[19:58:53] <JeroenDeDauw>	 its gerrits fault apparently :D
[19:59:16] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Werner: [C: 032] Update magical loading to work with current paths [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85278 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[20:00:11] <JohnLewis>	 JeroenDeDauw: Sure, blame Gerrit :p
[20:00:18] <aude>	 jenkins is slooooow
[20:00:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update magical loading to work with current paths [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85278 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[20:02:16] <greg-g>	 ^demon: ^^
[20:02:41] <aude>	 soon as beta pulls master, should work again
[20:02:51] <JeroenDeDauw>	 JohnLewis: also blaming a colleague for good measure!
[20:03:38] <JohnLewis>	 JeroenDeDauw: Hm. Maybe you need to blame a user who is not relevant for extra good measure!
[20:03:58] <TCN7JM>	 Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!
[20:04:48] <JohnLewis>	 JeroenDeDauw: Blame TCN7JM :D
[20:05:27] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase#882 (master - 29ba43b : jenkins-bot): The build has errored.
[20:05:27] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/compare/9d1ce9c81066...29ba43b54058
[20:05:27] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/11608598
[20:05:29] <TCN7JM>	 :(
[20:06:20] <JeroenDeDauw>	 TCN7JM: i'll blame JohnLewis and you can support it ;)
[20:06:29] <TCN7JM>	 :D
[20:06:32] <JohnLewis>	 JeroenDeDauw: Sure!
[20:06:52] <JeroenDeDauw>	 And Lydia_WMDE ... though she is guilty by default
[20:07:20] * Lydia_WMDE  blinks

[20:09:18] <JeroenDeDauw>	 greg-g: aude: so when does this thing update?
[20:09:49] <aude>	 don't know
[20:09:51] <aude>	 soon!
[20:10:08] <aude>	 my own test wiki works fine on master everything
[20:11:57] <greg-g>	 JeroenDeDauw: should be 5 minutes or so
[20:21:22] <JeroenDeDauw>	 greg-g: nope ;p
[20:23:01] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Move DataValue registration since the DVs themselves got moved [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85323 
[20:23:12] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Danwe_WMDE: ^
[20:23:55] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Werner: [C: 032] Move DataValue registration since the DVs themselves got moved [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85323 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[20:27:28] <Reedy>	 reedy@tin:/a/common/php-1.22wmf18$ mwscript extensions/Wikibase/lib/maintenance/populateSitesTable.php --wiki=test2wiki --strip-protocols
[20:27:28] <Reedy>	 A database error has occurred. Did you forget to run maintenance/update.php after upgrading?  See: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading#Run_the_update_script
[20:27:28] <Reedy>	 Query: INSERT  INTO `sites` (site_id,site_global_key,site_type,site_group,site_source,site_language,site_protocol,site_domain,site_data,site_forward,site_config) VALUES (NULL,'aawiki','mediawiki','wikipedia','local','aa','','.','a:1:{s:5:\"paths\";a:2:{s:9:\"file_path\";s:23:\"//aa.wikipedia.org/w/$1\";s:9:\"page_path\";s:26:\"//aa.wikipedia.org/wiki/$1\";}}','','a:0:{}')
[20:27:28] <Reedy>	 Function: SiteSQLStore::saveSites
[20:27:28] <Reedy>	 Error: 1062 Duplicate entry 'aawiki' for key 'sites_global_key' (10.64.16.8)
[20:27:29] <Reedy>	 done.
[20:27:33] <Reedy>	 aude: ^
[20:27:49] <JeroenDeDauw>	 ohnoez!
[20:28:16] <aude>	 Reedy: you updated the submodules
[20:28:17] <aude>	 ?
[20:28:50] <Reedy>	 Indeed
[20:29:03] <Reedy>	 I've noticed updating some submodules gets no output for some reason
[20:29:24] <aude>	 ok, i need to make sure i pulled in the last changes
[20:34:04] <aude>	 hmmmm https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/85231/ looks right 
[20:34:18] <aude>	 and i tried the script again with existing data
[20:34:21] <aude>	 and it worked
[20:35:32] <Reedy>	 reedy@tin:/a/common/php-1.22wmf18/extensions/Wikibase$ git show 90eb34bcaa4a84c2513829aabd8a4d913422ade7
[20:35:32] <Reedy>	 fatal: bad object 90eb34bcaa4a84c2513829aabd8a4d913422ade7
[20:35:46] <Reedy>	 It's showing to be on 1ee7613d9149970f8fa04604a2439608a9b48585
[20:36:16] <aude>	 odd
[20:36:42] <Reedy>	 Oh, ignore that
[20:36:44] <Reedy>	 wrong extension
[20:36:58] <aude>	 i might also need to make a small patch
[20:37:25] <aude>	 for the site_identifiers, we are supposed to clear that table
[20:37:46] <aude>	 need to check that the script clears the extra entries
[20:37:58] <aude>	 it should have 574 entries for test2 and test wikidata
[20:38:12] * aude  double checks

[20:39:11] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Remove test for deprecated method [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85326 
[20:41:43] <aude>	 Reedy: the script should be fine, as it is
[20:41:46] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Move all usage of $wgDataValues into DataValuesCommon as that is the lowest level where it is used [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85327 
[20:42:04] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Danwe_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/85327/
[20:43:04] <aude>	 Reedy: and it updates in a transaction, so shouldn't be any time that stuff is missing in the tables
[20:43:39] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Werner: [C: 032] Remove test for deprecated method [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85326 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[20:43:47] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Werner: [C: 032] Move all usage of $wgDataValues into DataValuesCommon as that is the lowest level where it is used [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85327 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[20:45:01] <Reedy>	 Submodule path 'extensions/Wikibase': checked out '7392e36f8ba07c3250fa398694b8993c7ca53a8e'
[20:45:03] <Reedy>	 That's better
[20:45:08] <aude>	 good
[20:45:23] <aude>	 errr.
[20:45:31] <aude>	 yes
[20:45:37] <aude>	 what we want
[20:46:16] <aude>	 then localisation cache update can be done anytime once wikimedia messages is updated
[20:46:45] <aude>	 don't know if it can be done same time as other stuff
[20:47:06] <Reedy>	 reedy@tin:/a/common$ mwscript extensions/Wikibase/lib/maintenance/populateSitesTable.php --wiki=testwikidatawiki --strip-protocols
[20:47:06] <Reedy>	 PHP Notice:  unserialize(): Error at offset 73 of 131 bytes in /a/common/php-1.22wmf18/includes/db/ORMTable.php on line 844
[20:47:06] <Reedy>	 Notice: unserialize(): Error at offset 73 of 131 bytes in /a/common/php-1.22wmf18/includes/db/ORMTable.php on line 844
[20:47:13] <Reedy>	 They didn't happen on the second run
[20:47:25] <aude>	 errrrr
[20:47:48] <Reedy>	 when I ran it again there were no notices
[20:47:59] <aude>	 maybe the code was still syncing
[20:48:22] <Reedy>	 nope
[20:48:23] <aude>	 how many entries are there in site_identifiers?
[20:48:25] <Reedy>	 should've been done
[20:48:25] <aude>	 and sites?
[20:48:28] <Reedy>	 on which?
[20:48:29] <Reedy>	 both?
[20:48:33] <aude>	 both
[20:48:47] <legoktm>	 Sven_Manguard: So I got bored last night and also did a simple run through of plwiki's ratings too
[20:49:27] <Sven_Manguard>	 legoktm: umm... that's something that I was going to speak to you about... 
[20:49:28] <Reedy>	 879/574 on test2
[20:49:39] <Sven_Manguard>	 legoktm: what rating systems did you do?
[20:49:40] <legoktm>	 Sven_Manguard: uhoh. :/
[20:49:40] <aude>	 perfect
[20:49:44] <legoktm>	 Sven_Manguard: Just PEGI and USK
[20:49:45] <Reedy>	 Same on testwikidatawiki
[20:49:47] <aude>	 test wikidata shoudl be same
[20:49:58] <Sven_Manguard>	 legoktm: and not GSRR? Thank god.
[20:50:36] <Sven_Manguard>	 GSRR is going to be problematic because no one updated... wait PL wiki, not PT wiki?
[20:51:10] <Sven_Manguard>	 yeah, as far as I know PT wiki hasn't updated for the 2012 change in rating system by GSRR
[20:51:19] <Sven_Manguard>	 is pl polish? 
[20:51:57] <legoktm>	 yeah, pl 
[20:51:58] <legoktm>	 polish
[20:55:52] <Lydia_WMDE>	 legoktm: hey :)
[20:56:08] <legoktm>	 o/
[20:56:18] <aude>	 Reedy: i created a but for the offset thing
[20:56:20] <aude>	 bug
[20:56:34] <Lydia_WMDE>	 legoktm: sorry for being a pita about this -.-   but i just noticed one nice improvement for your bot that posts new properties to the status update page
[20:56:50] <legoktm>	 heh no worries. what is it?
[20:56:51] <Sven_Manguard>	 legoktm: I'm going to be filtering in and out because I have a guest in the house. ESRB, PEGI, USK, and CERO should all be fine for import. PT and RU are going to be your best bet for getting those. Avoid touching CSRR yet, it's going to take more figuring out. Ping me if you need something and I'll see it when I get back
[20:57:15] <legoktm>	 Sven_Manguard: Ok, I assume that all of those have properties already?
[20:57:18] <Sven_Manguard>	 Check around, I think JA might also have CERO
[20:57:19] <Sven_Manguard>	 legoktm: yes
[20:57:20] <Lydia_WMDE>	 legoktm: so until now i didn't link them because it was too much work - the problem is that the template obviously doesn't work when i send it around to the wikipedias
[20:57:39] <Lydia_WMDE>	 legoktm: any chance you can write it so it doesn't use the template but links directly - ideally with d: prefix?
[20:57:48] <Sven_Manguard>	 legoktm: look for them in the "works" section of properties, subheader "video games"
[20:57:56] <Lydia_WMDE>	 then they could be linked and it'd make me super happy :D
[20:58:00] <Sven_Manguard>	 and, as always, the list of items are on the talk page
[20:58:02] <legoktm>	 Lydia_WMDE: yeah sure
[20:58:10] <legoktm>	 Sven_Manguard: ok, i'll take a look in a bit
[20:58:12] <Lydia_WMDE>	 doesn't have to be now - i can send out this one without links
[20:58:19] <Lydia_WMDE>	 but for the future that would be cool
[20:59:41] <legoktm>	 it should only take me a few minutes
[20:59:58] <Lydia_WMDE>	 \o/
[21:04:21] <legoktm>	 Lydia_WMDE: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata%3AStatus_updates%2FNext&diff=71672004&oldid=71669074
[21:04:28] <legoktm>	 oh wait
[21:04:31] <legoktm>	 that link is broken
[21:05:06] <aude>	 Lydia_WMDE: if you wait a few minutes, it should be possible to add commons links on test wikidata
[21:05:17] <aude>	 not super amazing but would be nice to add
[21:05:21] <Lydia_WMDE>	 aude: oh good
[21:05:23] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ok
[21:05:24] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i will wait
[21:05:35] <aude>	 it's a bit ugly, the way commons is listed
[21:05:40] <aude>	 with the language and code column
[21:05:42] <legoktm>	 Lydia_WMDE: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata%3AStatus_updates%2FNext&diff=71672314&oldid=71669074
[21:05:47] <aude>	 i'd like that improved, but good enough for now
[21:05:51] <Lydia_WMDE>	 legoktm: :*
[21:05:53] <Lydia_WMDE>	 you're the best
[21:05:57] <legoktm>	 :D
[21:06:06] <Lydia_WMDE>	 aude: ok cool
[21:06:18] <Lydia_WMDE>	 aude: just let me know when done
[21:06:49] <aude>	 ok
[21:08:23] <aude>	 caching issue it seems
[21:08:49] <aude>	 need to figure out what to "purge"
[21:12:01] <aude>	 Lydia_WMDE: it seems to work now, except that we are waiting for localisation cache rebuild to fisnish
[21:12:04] <aude>	 finish
[21:12:04] <aude>	 https://test.wikidata.org/wiki/Q158
[21:12:05] <aude>	 e.g.
[21:12:11] <aude>	 so it says "wikibase-sitelinks-commons"
[21:12:35] <Lydia_WMDE>	 cool
[21:12:36] <aude>	 and again note, i'm not totally happy with the language column 
[21:12:42] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i'll get stuff ready but will wait a bit more
[21:12:47] <Lydia_WMDE>	 heh yeah
[21:12:49] <aude>	 and autocomplete shows English (commonswiki)
[21:13:16] <aude>	 should be site name, though it breaks some assumptions in how the UI handles it and requires backend changes maybe
[21:13:26] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yeah
[21:13:35] <Lydia_WMDE>	 not to be done before monday it seems
[21:13:36] <aude>	 but still an improvement
[21:13:39] <aude>	 no
[21:13:39] <Lydia_WMDE>	 but something we should tackle
[21:13:43] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yeah
[21:13:45] <aude>	 i doubt it
[21:13:57] <aude>	 english technically is the site language on commons
[21:14:05] <aude>	 the default, although it is multilingual
[21:14:19] <Lydia_WMDE>	 it's still wrong ;-)
[21:14:25] <aude>	 Reedy: thanks for your help with the update
[21:14:28] <aude>	 yeah
[21:16:55] <Reedy>	 Just need to scap
[21:17:07] <Reedy>	 Which ^d may be doing for his cirrus deploys
[21:17:12] <JeroenDeDauw>	 lololol https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Middle-earth.jpg
[21:17:14] <JeroenDeDauw>	 goog Danwe_WMDE 
[21:17:25] <Reedy>	 [22:16:50] <^d> "<elasticsearchsearch-desc>"
[21:17:25] <Reedy>	 [22:16:58] <^d> I should've rebuild l10n.
[21:17:28] <Reedy>	 That's a yes
[21:20:01] <legoktm>	 o.O
[21:20:08] <legoktm>	 that looks pretty neat :D
[21:26:15] <Lydia_WMDE>	 aude: Reedy: any guestimate when this will be finished?
[21:27:45] <aude>	 Lydia_WMDE: maybe half hour
[21:27:47] <aude>	 i don't know
[21:27:52] <aude>	 hopefully sooner
[21:27:52] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ok
[21:27:58] <aude>	 it's sloooow
[21:28:07] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :P
[21:28:43] <aude>	 although i doubt the message has been translated into other languages yet
[21:28:57] <aude>	 i could just add it locally for english 
[21:29:05] <aude>	 and maybe german
[21:29:08] <aude>	 could be added
[21:29:19] <aude>	 it's cheating
[21:33:06] <aude>	 http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?search=wikibase+sitelinks+commons&button=&title=Special%3ASearch
[21:33:16] <aude>	 impressive it's been translated so much already
[21:34:19] <aude>	 although sadly i don't see the localisation updates from today pulled in 
[21:34:23] <aude>	 that can be on monday
[21:35:15] <GerardM>	 these updates happen daily
[21:35:45] <aude>	 GerardM: yes
[21:36:04] <aude>	 i mean updating production with the new ones for an extension
[21:36:52] <aude>	 we can update the extension on monday and it will have more translations then
[21:37:24] <Reedy>	 l10nupdate will do it as long as they get exported
[21:38:39] <aude>	 Reedy: ok, even for the deployment branch?
[21:39:04] <Reedy>	 yeah
[21:39:09] <aude>	 cool!
[21:39:14] <Reedy>	 it updates all deployed versions of mediaiwki
[21:39:20] <aude>	 i can look for translations during the weekend
[21:40:28] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Danwe_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/80239/
[21:48:19] <aude>	 21:47 <+logmsgbot> !log LocalisationUpdate completed (1.22wmf18) at Fri Sep 20 21:47:58 UTC 2013
[21:48:22] <aude>	 Lydia_WMDE: ^
[21:48:31] <Lydia_WMDE>	 \o/
[21:48:34] <Lydia_WMDE>	 thx aude
[21:49:21] <aude>	 there might be some caching issues
[21:49:31] <aude>	 i have to ctrl+r on some pages
[21:49:44] <aude>	 but then again, i've been visiting test.wikidata so have stuff cached perhaps
[21:49:59] <^d>	 l10nupdate gets to run again :p
[21:50:03] <^d>	 I screwed up.
[21:50:22] <aude>	 oh, lovely
[21:50:33] <aude>	 it works our purposes
[21:51:00] <aude>	 even has the translations :)
[21:53:54] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: Your join the development team email went straight to my promotional email box :p
[21:54:07] <JohnLewis>	 Stop spamming me with promotional emails Lydia_WMDE D:
[21:54:10] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JohnLewis: bah! mean! i protest!
[21:54:15] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :P
[21:54:19] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i wont stop
[21:54:22] <Lydia_WMDE>	 you can't stop me
[21:54:27] <JohnLewis>	 :(
[21:54:31] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i will spam you and you will love it ;-)
[21:54:56] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: If addshore 'disappears' from Wikimedia, We'll consider this spamming issue solved ;)
[21:54:56] <aude>	 Lydia_WMDE: what does f/m mean?
[21:55:06] <aude>	 women / men ?
[21:55:12] <aude>	 frauen / manner
[21:55:17] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yes
[21:55:28] <Lydia_WMDE>	 required for german job ads
[21:55:31] <aude>	 odd, but a german thing
[21:55:34] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yeah
[21:55:38] <aude>	 like duh
[21:55:41] <Lydia_WMDE>	 right
[21:55:50] <aude>	 especially in english
[21:55:57] <aude>	 whatever....
[22:22:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Article_specific_QR_codes
[22:22:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 no interest huh... :(
[22:23:10] <JohnLewis>	 ToAruShiroiNeko: No. Just too lazy to comment :p
[22:23:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 I was kind of surprise at the next comment
[22:24:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata%3AProject_chat&diff=71681778&oldid=71678335 <-- looked like it was a response to me
[22:24:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 turns out it was unrelated
[22:24:55] <JohnLewis>	 ToAruShiroiNeko: Yeah. That is Lydia for you :p Forgetting there is a 'New section' link :p
[22:25:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 tis OK
[22:54:11] <Sven_Manguard>	 What. The. Fuck
[22:54:14] <Sven_Manguard>	 !STAFF
[22:54:18] <Sven_Manguard>	 Lydia_WMDE: please still be here
[22:55:35] * Sven_Manguard  pings aude, Reedy, Lydia_WMDE, JeroenDeDauw, Danwe_WMDE

[22:55:42] <Reedy>	 WUT
[22:56:20] <JeroenDeDauw>	 onoez
[22:56:43] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Sven_Manguard: panic?
[22:56:52] <Sven_Manguard>	 I PMed you
[22:57:00] * Reedy  puts a bag on JeroenDeDauws head

[22:58:05] <legoktm>	 :o
[22:59:25] <Reedy>	 Who wants a sharpie?
[23:00:35] <Sven_Manguard>	 it was doing it at  20:17 as well
[23:19:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Update constant capitalization [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85357 
[23:23:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Add description to DV common and interfaces [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85359