[02:53:19] legoktm, do you know of a tool that gives summary metrics for RFCs? e.g. # participants, length, etc. [02:53:34] i'm wondering what the most involved RFC has been [02:54:37] ah, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Legoktm/RfC_report [02:54:41] ^ [02:59:23] Emw: Yeah, thats only open RfCs. [02:59:50] I suppose I could do something like length and # of particpants for closed ones too [03:00:18] I'd sure be interested in that [03:00:34] Sky2042, reply! https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Migrating_away_from_GND_main_type#P31_value_for_things_like_Coco_Chanel [03:01:28] I wonder... [03:02:48] Ok, shouldn't be too hard to fix. [03:05:42] Emw: we need a property for 'Turing Test passing entity' [03:13:21] Emw: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Legoktm/Closed_RfC_report [03:13:25] I'll do the length thing later [03:14:05] legoktm: awesome, thanks [03:14:34] snail: Boolean datatypes won't be supported, for better or worse [03:17:07] > Barack Obama Aloha (Q76) [03:17:32] sigh. [03:34:35] Emw: I was thinking of 'Turing Test passing entity' as a parallel / orthogonal to 'human' and 'human person' [03:34:59] 'human' is orthogonal to 'person' [03:36:28] wait, no, a subset! [03:37:32] 'Turing Test passing entity' seems like a property of personhood [03:37:53] Hey y'all. Can someone take a look at the coordinate location field at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5041335 and tell me if you see an error? [03:38:39] Sven_Manguard: I do ("The value does not comply with the property's definition...") [03:39:01] yeah, weird. Lemme fix it. [03:40:18] Emw: computers can pass the turing test, humans can fail [03:41:12] snail: the properties of personhood are very vague, but ya [03:42:29] a related issue arises when considering who the author of the bible was [04:40:25] Jasper_Deng_busy: Where are you? [04:40:58] JASPER?! [04:41:08] * Jasper_Deng_busy wonders why Sven hasn't noticed his current nick [04:41:17] shut up so I can hug you [04:41:24] * Sven_Manguard tackle hugs Jasper_Deng_busy [04:41:35] thank you for getting involved in Properties for Deletion [04:41:41] I really appreciate it. [04:41:46] that is all [04:44:36] no, really. After feeling like I was the only one staffing that area for months, it's nice to feel like someone's got my back. [04:48:07] * Jasper_Deng_busy hopes to do more provided he becomes unbusy [07:55:25] (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032 V: 032] Add more tags to cucumber tests [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83630 (owner: 10Tobias Gritschacher) [07:56:10] (03PS3) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Fix var keywords to go with coding conventions [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/81661 [07:56:31] (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032 V: 032] Split up test scenarios for label and description tests [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83632 (owner: 10Tobias Gritschacher) [08:17:07] (03PS1) 10Aude: allow precision to be null in globe coordinate [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83990 [08:20:18] (03PS1) 10Aude: allow precision to be null in globe coordinate [extensions/DataValues] (mw1.22-wmf16) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83991 [09:17:12] Tobi_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/83991/ and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/83990/ [09:17:15] DanielK_WMDE: ^ [09:17:31] * aude needs this in master [09:31:10] Henning_WMDE: Tobi_WMDE can you look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/83835/ please? [09:31:25] is this an issue on wikidata? and does it need backporting? [09:33:08] (03CR) 10Henning Snater: [C: 032] Fix message dependencies for jquery.wikibase.snaklistview [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83835 (owner: 10Hoo man) [09:33:18] thanks Henning [09:34:41] (03PS2) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Use cucumber for sitelink tests [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83651 [09:36:41] (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: "(1 comment)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83816 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [09:39:09] Henning_WMDE: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54072 is what we talked about yesterday [09:41:38] Lydia_WMDE_: look at the inline comments https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/83816/3/repo/maintenance/dumpJson.php [10:20:25] (03PS11) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Improved Performance of jQuery.ui.inputextender [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/77479 (owner: 10Daniel Werner) [10:21:31] (03PS4) 10Daniel Kinzler: (bug 52799) Introducing dumpJson. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83816 [10:23:11] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] (bug 52799) Introducing dumpJson. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83816 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [10:40:18] (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] Improved Performance of jQuery.ui.inputextender [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/77479 (owner: 10Daniel Werner) [10:40:27] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Improved Performance of jQuery.ui.inputextender [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/77479 (owner: 10Daniel Werner) [10:42:54] (03PS2) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Implementation work in SimpleTableSchemaUpdater [extensions/WikibaseDatabase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83815 [10:43:18] (03PS2) 10Addshore: sqlite tableDefinitaionReader now does stuff [extensions/WikibaseDatabase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83411 [10:43:19] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] sqlite tableDefinitaionReader now does stuff [extensions/WikibaseDatabase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83411 (owner: 10Addshore) [10:43:24] JeroenDeDauw: the sql one lives ;p [10:43:29] oh.. or not.. [12:20:04] (03PS3) 10Addshore: sqlite tableDefinitaionReader now does stuff [extensions/WikibaseDatabase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83411 [12:20:05] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] sqlite tableDefinitaionReader now does stuff [extensions/WikibaseDatabase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83411 (owner: 10Addshore) [12:20:16] lovely... [12:22:11] JeroenDeDauw: any idea about the above? its base is the current head of master... and it says it cant merge ... [12:24:14] (03CR) 10Addshore: [C: 032] Added TableDeletionFailedException [extensions/WikibaseDatabase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83639 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [12:24:49] (03PS4) 10Addshore: sqlite tableDefinitaionReader now does stuff [extensions/WikibaseDatabase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83411 [12:25:52] better.. [12:45:36] (03PS3) 10Aude: Store serialized entity in parser output (DRAFT) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83846 [12:46:09] (03PS4) 10Aude: Store serialized entity in parser output (DRAFT) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83846 [13:01:02] aude: do you know whats wrong with the sites table on http://wikidata.beta.wmflabs.org/ ? or is it supposed to only contain very few sites? [13:15:16] Tobi_WMDE: it has only beta wikipedias [13:15:21] those are only a very few [13:16:12] i don't know if the beta wikipedias can actually get data from beta wikidata (yet) [13:25:05] aude: that was my second question.. ;) [13:25:16] aude: we would need that for testing [13:25:30] surely it can be done [13:26:03] i don't know where the dispatcher cron job would go [13:26:21] aude: ok. i would see it would go to wikidata.beta [13:26:48] hashar can likely advise [13:27:17] at same time, we can setup test2 as client for test.wikidata [13:27:41] aude: yes, hat would make sense [13:41:39] (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 031 V: 031] "Works as expected, Browser tests passed." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83091 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [13:41:44] Tobi_WMDE: when trying to add site linsk, i keep getitng "The external client site did not provide page information" [13:41:51] something is not configured correctly [13:42:14] aude: where? [13:42:18] on wikidata beta [13:45:08] Tobi_WMDE: looking at the code, the error comes after "$site->normalizePageName" [13:45:19] which calls out to the client api to normalize, based on our settings [13:45:52] aude: what settings? [13:46:14] i believe there is a setting for normalizePageName [13:46:33] $wgWBRepoSettings['normalizeItemByTitlePageNames'] = true; [13:46:43] i don't know if that applies here but it might [13:47:48] the setting might not apply [13:47:51] but an api call is done [13:48:03] * aude shall look at debug logs [13:48:49] aude: but it should normalize. wh [13:48:57] yy should that not work on beta? [13:49:13] no idea [13:49:44] Tobi_WMDE: can you have a look at the summaries here please? especially the last one: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/GZWDer&dir=prev&offset=20130912094313&limit=4&target=GZWDer# [13:50:24] aliases? [13:52:10] Lydia_WMDE_: I guess that's https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54005 - i fixed it yesterday, but the patch might not be deployed until now.. [13:52:11] (03PS9) 10Daniel Werner: (bug 52387) Special page for querying by property value. [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/82874 [13:52:16] aude: ^^^ [13:52:21] Lydia_WMDE_: they did add "P200" etc as aliases [13:52:27] Tobi_WMDE: i think it's not [13:52:34] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q4115189&diff=prev&oldid=69848302&setlang=zh [13:52:38] look at the aliases [13:52:53] somewhere, somehow they are interpreted as properties [13:53:14] (03CR) 10Daniel Werner: "(1 comment)" [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/82874 (owner: 10Daniel Werner) [13:53:38] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] (bug 52387) Special page for querying by property value. [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/82874 (owner: 10Daniel Werner) [13:53:45] aude: I have no idea what you mean [13:53:49] that looks fine [13:53:54] look at the chinese aliases [13:53:56] (03PS10) 10Daniel Werner: (bug 52387) Special page for querying by property value. [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/82874 [13:54:01] these are aliases [13:54:16] yes, they are P200, P300 and P500 [13:54:27] so whats the problem? [13:54:33] look at the autosummary [13:54:46] it's expanding them and turning them into property links [13:54:55] ah, in the summary [13:54:58] ok [13:54:58] yes [13:55:02] strange [13:55:18] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] (bug 52387) Special page for querying by property value. [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/82874 (owner: 10Daniel Werner) [13:58:54] (03PS12) 10Daniel Werner: (bug 52387) Introduction of FetchedEntityContentSerializer [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83646 [13:59:03] (03PS3) 10Daniel Werner: Performance improvement in FetchedEntityContentSerializer::getSerialized [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83689 [14:08:46] (03PS11) 10Daniel Werner: (bug 52387) Special page for querying by property value. [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/82874 [14:09:44] (03PS3) 10Daniel Werner: Remove SimpleQuery::CACHE_TTL_IN_SECONDS [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83098 [14:10:11] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] (bug 52387) Special page for querying by property value. [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/82874 (owner: 10Daniel Werner) [14:10:42] someone please poke me when svenmanguard shows up [14:11:35] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Remove SimpleQuery::CACHE_TTL_IN_SECONDS [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83098 (owner: 10Daniel Werner) [14:11:42] Tobi_WMDE: if i try the api call or ping the beta wikipedia ip from inside labs, it times out [14:11:50] i can ping external ips, like google.com [14:11:57] and can ping beta wikipedia from outside of labs [14:12:17] we had this issue when populating the sites table and did evil work around then [14:12:35] we'll probably need to talk to hashar and ryan for help [14:13:31] aude: ok, let´s talk to hashar and ryan then.. will kepp in mind [14:13:45] it might not be today, but if they happen to be around.... [14:14:14] according to debug log, it fails at the api request [14:14:24] done internally [14:22:35] (03CR) 10Addshore: [C: 032] Added basic test for SimpleTableSchemaUpdater [extensions/WikibaseDatabase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83645 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [14:22:40] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Added basic test for SimpleTableSchemaUpdater [extensions/WikibaseDatabase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83645 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:00:04] Tobi_WMDE: what do you think of this crazy plan? :P https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/83999/1/repo/includes/changeop/ChangeOpClaim.php [15:02:08] addshore: hey ho! [15:02:12] (others too) [15:04:42] hey ho lazowik [15:05:56] (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] allow precision to be null in globe coordinate [extensions/DataValues] (mw1.22-wmf16) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83991 (owner: 10Aude) [15:06:52] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: allow precision to be null in globe coordinate [extensions/DataValues] (mw1.22-wmf16) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83991 (owner: 10Aude) [15:07:07] (03PS1) 10Daniel Kinzler: (bug 52799) Dump JSON of entities listed in file. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84000 [15:07:46] (03PS2) 10Daniel Kinzler: (bug 52799) Dump JSON of entities listed in file. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84000 [15:08:10] (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032 V: 032] Use cucumber for aliases tests [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83089 (owner: 10Tobias Gritschacher) [15:22:31] is there a place where i can consult all possible properties and their applicability? [15:24:09] malafaya: you want to propose new ones or ask what's the use of existing? [15:28:17] (03PS3) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Use cucumber for sitelink tests [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83651 [15:33:34] malafaya: probably that's what you're looking for: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties/all [15:41:26] use of existing, yes [15:41:41] is this page usually up to date? [15:42:52] the page is quite "damaged" [15:43:11] loads of "Script error"s [15:43:57] at some point there probably will be a special page to list property details or a tool for that [15:44:08] right now that page is maintained by hand -- i think up-to-date [15:45:37] i think it uses lua and lua is used too places [15:45:45] that it exceeds limits in place and shows the script errors [15:46:06] there are lists of properties broken down into sub pages, such as for places [15:47:25] the parent page looks better for searching [15:47:32] true [15:47:42] one more question: is there any validation of property values in case of item values? [15:47:44] there are ~650 properties, though [15:47:50] a lot to list on one wiki page [15:48:11] malafaya: what do you mean? [15:48:20] only items can be used as item values [15:48:34] but there is no restriction on which items can be used where [15:48:58] ok, so no validation [15:49:06] right [15:49:10] as in "native language" i can select "dog" [15:49:14] yes [15:49:16] ok [15:49:23] i think people maintain "constraint" check reports for stuff like that [15:49:39] but from within the software it was decided not to have such constraints enforced [15:49:47] too many edge cases.... [16:02:58] (03PS5) 10Aude: Store serialized entity in parser output (DRAFT) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83846 [16:04:38] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Store serialized entity in parser output (DRAFT) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83846 (owner: 10Aude) [16:26:39] (03PS6) 10Aude: Store serialized entity in parser output (DRAFT) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83846 [16:28:21] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Store serialized entity in parser output (DRAFT) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83846 (owner: 10Aude) [16:36:56] (03PS7) 10Aude: Store serialized entity in parser output (DRAFT) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83846 [16:38:21] legoktm: You awake? [16:38:36] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Store serialized entity in parser output (DRAFT) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83846 (owner: 10Aude) [16:39:23] legoktm: http://toolserver.org/~legoktm/cgi-bin/wikidata/copypaste.py?id=Q47683 <- cute [16:41:31] (03PS8) 10Aude: Store serialized entity in parser output (DRAFT) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83846 [16:44:53] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Store serialized entity in parser output (DRAFT) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83846 (owner: 10Aude) [16:46:17] hmmmm "Build step 'Execute shell' marked build as failure" [17:37:18] (03PS4) 10Aude: (bug 53367) check that both sites and titles are set before doing get entities lookup [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/81122 [17:39:08] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] (bug 53367) check that both sites and titles are set before doing get entities lookup [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/81122 (owner: 10Aude) [17:56:57] (03PS1) 10Daniel Kinzler: Make QuantityValue use decimal notation. [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84016 [17:57:47] Danwe_WMDE: ---^ [17:59:39] (03PS1) 10Aude: Fix message dependencies for jquery.wikibase.snaklistview [extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.22-wmf16) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84017 [18:00:00] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032 V: 032] Fix message dependencies for jquery.wikibase.snaklistview [extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.22-wmf16) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84017 (owner: 10Aude) [18:04:55] [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase#797 (mw1.22-wmf16 - cb1644d : Marius Hoch): The build is still failing. [18:04:55] [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/compare/99baf40f74a4...cb1644d5e665 [18:04:55] [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/11291334 [18:07:58] (03PS5) 10Aude: (bug 53367) check that sites and titles params are set before lookup [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/81122 [19:13:11] could someone please merge Q5958879 and Q6892207 as they are the same person -- my merge tool isn't working at moment for some reason [19:20:44] nevermind its working now [19:50:31] Is Wikidata down? [19:50:54] Request: GET http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Legoktm&offset=20130912065508&limit=100&target=Legoktm, from 10.64.0.129 via cp1014.eqiad.wmnet (squid/2.7.STABLE9) to () [19:50:56] Error: ERR_CANNOT_FORWARD, errno (11) Resource temporarily unavailable at Thu, 12 Sep 2013 19:50:10 GMT [19:51:11] everythign is down [19:51:12] Sven_Manguard: Yep, see #wikimedia-tech [19:51:12] enwiki [19:51:34] ok, works for me :P [19:51:45] coming back [19:51:50] just a glitch maybe [19:52:13] I'm going to smack someone [19:52:19] don't panic me like that [19:52:25] :) [19:52:48] Sven_Manguard: by the way, those invalid coordinates [19:52:52] should be fixed now [19:53:02] aude: What happened? [19:53:24] i forgot to backport the bug fix when we deployed on tuesday [19:53:39] we are allowing precision to be null for now [19:53:53] but is discouraged to do that and eventually will be disallowed again [19:54:12] without my fix, anything with null could not be rendered [19:54:30] aude: I'm not sure I have any idea what you just said [19:54:30] there still is an issue with a handful of items with null globe param, thoughh [19:54:34] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Byrial/Globes [19:54:55] Sven_Manguard: a geocoordinate value has latitude, longitude, globe (e.g. mars / earth) and precision [19:55:12] some bots added coordinates that were missing some of those [19:55:18] o [19:55:30] used to be allowed and we changed it without enough compatibility for existing data [19:55:52] we re-added the compatibility for precision to be empty, but empty globe is not allowed [19:57:26] items here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Byrial/Globes#Coordinate_values_with_data_value_type_.22bad.22_in_the_database [19:57:43] they can be removed and re-added in the user interface or a bot can fix [21:24:00] hi [21:24:14] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Pagina_principale?setlang=en how to link with [[:wikidata:]]? [21:24:15] 10[1] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/wikidata: [21:24:27] [[:wikidata:it:]] dos not work [21:24:28] 10[2] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/wikidata:it: [22:49:08] multichill: bleh, ill fix that [22:49:18] it's running a really really outdated version of pwb [23:32:39] bah. [23:33:10] why does Q9263698 have to exist? [23:33:13] :( [23:33:20] that makes me has a sad.