[07:16:04] <pyfisch>	 hello if you look on https://de.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:UnconnectedPages you see a lot of discussion pages. But discussion pages should not be connected to Wikidata
[07:16:38] <pyfisch>	 I think it is a bug but I am not sure
[07:17:20] <pyfisch>	 Lydia_WMDE: are you here?
[07:17:35] <Lydia_WMDE>	 pyfisch: hey
[07:18:18] <pyfisch>	 Lydia_WMDE: is it correct that discussion pages are shown?
[07:19:13] <Lydia_WMDE>	 pyfisch: any page is shown and i think this is correct because the software shouldn't know about details like "we don't have items for discussion pages" since other installations might want it - but maybe open a bug to be able to filter it?
[07:19:27] <Lydia_WMDE>	 by namespace for example
[07:24:21] <pyfisch>	 Lydia_WMDE: this was already reported: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52503
[07:24:29] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ah ok cool
[07:24:35] <Lydia_WMDE>	 didn't remember that one
[07:29:12] <multichill>	 pyfisch: No namespace filter is applied
[07:29:53] <multichill>	 I noticed it too some time ago, but I was not sure what the right approach would be. First step is to just add a namespace filter
[07:30:16] <pyfisch>	 multichill: I requested it in the bug.
[07:30:30] <pyfisch>	 see my comment
[07:30:41] <multichill>	 You should change the subject
[07:31:46] <multichill>	 Lydia_WMDE: Would it make sense to file a bug in bugzilla for enabling the wikidata client in Commons? That way people could vote on it
[07:32:35] <pyfisch>	 multichill: can I change the subject?
[07:32:39] <Lydia_WMDE>	 multichill: feel free to file so people can track and vote - but in this case the vote won't change much since it's already high up our list
[07:34:50] <pyfisch>	 Lydia_WMDE: what is the next project where wikidata is enabled? wikiquote can be connected like wikivoyage
[07:35:21] <Lydia_WMDE>	 pyfisch: not decided yet - my plan is to sit down with denny next week and come up with a proposal
[07:35:34] <pyfisch>	 ok ;-)
[07:37:59] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ok time for a shower and then off to weekend with family
[07:38:01] <Lydia_WMDE>	 laters :)
[07:39:42] <addweekend>	 See ya Lydia_wmde :)
[07:40:50] <pyfisch>	 see you
[08:09:04] <Schisma__>	 hi
[08:09:59] <Schisma__>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q573260 
[08:10:28] <Schisma__>	 according to the introduction of the articles, this is not a geographical object but a photo
[08:11:00] <Schisma__>	 but the articles are mostly about the stellar formation ^^
[08:28:35] <multichill>	 Schisma: That would be creative work
[08:28:42] <multichill>	 Hi Amir1, how are you doing?
[08:28:55] <Schisma>	 yes
[08:29:46] <Schisma>	 but as i said, often articles first sentence describes something other then the rest
[08:31:09] <Schisma>	 i tend to say there are actually to items in it
[08:31:15] <Schisma>	 a photo of an object
[08:31:20] <Schisma>	 and the object itself
[08:31:47] <Schisma>	 but to which should the article be linked in this case?
[08:41:33] <GerardM>	 schisma it is about the photo ... it says so in the first sentence
[09:13:02] <Amir1>	 multichill: hi
[09:13:11] <Amir1>	 sorry I was afk for lunch
[11:45:38] <Ash_Crow>	 Hello
[11:46:00] <Ash_Crow>	 What would be the correct property to state that Gauguin was a post-impressionnist painter ?
[12:36:50] <Sk1d>	 i am getting this error message from pywikipediabot framework if i try to get pages: 2013-08-17 14:36:03,232 - pywiki - VERBOSE - Pausing due to database lag: Waiting for 10.64.16.15: 1864 seconds lagged
[12:38:03] <Sk1d>	 see db lag: https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=dbrepllag&sishowalldb=
[12:49:03] <multichill>	 Sk1d: That means that one or more databases of the WMF are lagged. Bots respect that and take a break
[12:49:51] <Sk1d>	 yea i see it seems that this is the problem: https://ganglia.wikimedia.org/latest/?r=day&cs=&ce=&tab=ch&vn=&hreg[]=db1026
[14:39:29] <liangent>	 Lydia_WMDE: still no response for the review request mail I sent 3 days ago
[19:09:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Do not use deprecated method [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/77334 
[19:13:28] <Sky2042>	 GerardM: How about dem P107 RFCs.
[19:13:30] <Sky2042>	 :)
[19:14:09] <GerardM>	 Sky2042: JohnLewis just pointed it out to me ... I am writing a blogpost about it
[19:14:22] <Sky2042>	 GerardM: I heard about that in -admin. :P
[19:14:26] <JohnLewis>	 Sky2042: Don't attract peoples attention to P107. I don't want 'HOW DARE YOU!' messages being spammd on my talk page.
[19:14:40] <Sky2042>	 JohnLewis: IRC has a different view. lol
[19:14:46] <Sky2042>	 Also, you're the one who posted it in PC!
[19:14:53] <GerardM>	 I am happy that it happens..
[19:14:58] <GerardM>	 better now than later
[19:15:06] <GerardM>	 but it will create some upsets
[19:15:10] <Sky2042>	 Yes.
[19:15:22] <JohnLewis>	 Sky2042: Because I can't go 'Oh, Let's delete this property used on almost every Wikidata item' without telling people. Plus botops needs to know some where.
[19:17:00] <Sky2042>	 JohnLewis: 
[19:17:03] <Sky2042>	 I know.
[19:17:05] <Sky2042>	 :P
[19:17:10] <JohnLewis>	 Exactly.
[19:17:13] <Sky2042>	 Leave me my IRC gloating.
[19:18:03] <JohnLewis>	 If people start being disruptive to keep it or stop being uncivil (which I hope will not happen) we can easily deal with it anyway.
[19:18:05] <GerardM>	 Grin ... by blogging about it, I take the blame ... but you decided
[19:18:49] <JohnLewis>	 Sky2042: When I say disruptive and uncivil, I am sure a names pops to your mind like it does to mine.
[19:19:46] <Sky2042>	 JohnLewis: Kolja? :P
[19:20:00] <JohnLewis>	 Sky2042: Then another begining with a D.
[19:20:08] <Sky2042>	 Well, he's just special.
[19:21:24] <JohnLewis>	 Ofc.
[19:22:10] <JohnLewis>	 Now, if we had a bot op who could remove P107 and add P31 with the same content, we should be good with a migration then small issues can be fixed by induviduals.
[19:22:25] <Sky2042>	 JohnLewis: See my comment at the thread you started.
[19:22:36] <Sky2042>	 P107 is not a direct switch with P31
[19:24:03] <Sky2042>	 For example, there are some persons which aren't, well, persons.
[19:24:39] <Sky2042>	 And the fact that the item for the P107 person doesn't distinguish between a person as a human and the notion of an actual person.
[19:24:59] <Sky2042>	 Consider as I noted in my comments that a P107 person could also be an anthropomorphic person...
[19:25:17] <JohnLewis>	 Looking..
[19:25:34] <JohnLewis>	 Ah.
[19:44:28] <GerardM>	 http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2013/08/be-careful-what-you-ask-for.html
[19:48:54] <Sky2042>	 GerardM: Not all things with P107 = person will become instance of.
[19:48:57] <Sky2042>	 >_>
[19:49:30] <Sky2042>	 One of the reasons why P107 is bad, in fact!
[19:51:40] <GerardM>	 Most people will not understand that detail
[19:52:25] <GerardM>	 List of kings of Morocco will be "list of"  ??
[19:52:36] <GerardM>	 now it is person ...  ?
[19:53:54] <Sky2042>	 list of kings
[23:07:22] <Sky2042_afk>	 Lydia_WMDE: Based on what JohnLewis is telling me, I <3 you!
[23:07:44] <JohnLewis>	 xD
[23:08:15] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Sky2042_afk: lol
[23:08:26] <Lydia_WMDE>	 now what did he tell you?
[23:08:30] <Lydia_WMDE>	 -.-
[23:09:32] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: Just what you said about p107 :P
[23:09:36] <Sky2042_afk>	 Lydia_WMDE: ^
[23:10:12] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ah
[23:31:23] <Zil>	 Hello.
[23:31:44] <Zil>	 Property:P107 has been deprecated?
[23:31:55] <JohnLewis>	 Zil: Not yet.
[23:32:16] <JohnLewis>	 We are just planning on how to migrate it over to the two replacement properties.
[23:32:33] <Zil>	 Well I try to add it and I've got this message...
[23:34:54] <JohnLewis>	 Zil: I disabled the ability for users to add P107 to items using an AbuseFilter. If you wish to contribute with what would be P107 data, please use 'Instance of' (P31) or 'Subclass of' (P279)
[23:35:15] <Zil>	 Ok.
[23:36:05] <Zil>	 I will try to consult the documentation first to understand the new way of working.
[23:36:22] <Sky2042_afk>	 Zil: [[Help:Basic membership properties]] might help.
[23:36:22] <AsimovBot>	 10[1] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Basic_membership_properties
[23:36:41] <Zil>	 May be an update of https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P107 would be useful.
[23:37:01] <Zil>	 Thanks Sky2042_afk.
[23:37:21] <Sky2042_afk>	 JohnLewis: Could you see if you can add that page to the error?
[23:38:35] <JohnLewis>	 Sky2042_afk: Tell Hahc21.
[23:38:43] <Sky2042_afk>	 Hahc21: ^
[23:39:20] <Hahc21>	 which page?
[23:39:23] <Hahc21>	 oh
[23:39:53] <Sky2042_afk>	 Hahc21: The one that AsimovBot so helpfully linked. :)
[23:40:12] <Hahc21>	 {{done}}
[23:40:12] <AsimovBot>	 How efficient, Hahc21!
[23:40:25] <Hahc21>	 Oh AsimovBot! never saw you speaking english!
[23:42:15] <Zil>	 I read the page but I don't get it... So now, the target is no longuer to use a main categorization but instead to point to something more specific.
[23:42:44] <Sky2042_afk>	 Zil: precisely.
[23:42:56] <Zil>	 For example, we are going to say that it is an "instance of" "Football player"
[23:43:26] <Sky2042_afk>	 Zil: Or you could use the occupation property for that, but yes.
[23:43:44] <Sky2042_afk>	 For most items about people, "person" probably won't change.
[23:43:50] <Sky2042_afk>	 as the instance of.
[23:44:10] <Zil>	 Ok.
[23:44:44] <Zil>	 Pointing to Q215627 ?
[23:46:30] <Sky2042_afk>	 If that's the item currently used for "person", sure. I might hold off on making that claim currently, because it would be nice to distinguish between a human person and a non-human person.
[23:48:30] <Zil>	 Ok... Has a end user experience... Wouldn't it be better when someone try to put P107 => Q215627 to replace the P107 by P31 using AbuseFilter instead of blocking the action (not sure it is possible...)
[23:49:09] <Sky2042_afk>	 I don't think that is possible.
[23:49:31] <Zil>	 Sky2042_afk: Ok, I was not thinking about non human person...
[23:50:55] <Sky2042_afk>	 Zil: Yes, I know. One of the problems with that property currently. :)
[23:51:26] <Sky2042_afk>	 We might set up an item called "human person", which would be a subclass of "homo sapiens" and "person". That is likely to be a good things to switch the usage of "GND = person" to.
[23:58:00] <Zil>	 Ok... I found the page on Project chat... I believe I will postponed my changes... waiting for a consensus around how to use this.
[23:58:04] <Zil>	 Bye.