[07:51:03] New patchset: Henning Snater; "SiteLinksEditTool: Regenerating EditableValue prototype" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/70988 [08:35:17] DanielK_WMDE_: oin [08:35:25] DanielK_WMDE_: moin [09:02:08] DanielK_WMDE_: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/70988/ [09:02:16] DanielK_WMDE_: daily time [09:34:38] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50062 [09:35:51] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50061 [09:36:31] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49982 [09:37:55] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49978 [09:39:43] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49425 [09:41:15] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49910 [09:42:28] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49880 [09:48:16] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49805 [09:49:25] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47114 [09:50:49] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45158 [09:51:19] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48047 [09:52:45] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44841 [09:56:11] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49367 [09:57:27] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49404 [09:58:16] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49079 [10:02:17] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49068 [10:03:14] Denny_WMDE: the Hardware-Meter is still standing on my desk showing a very small number of edits/min (~55) [10:04:17] lbenedix: shouldn't it be moving to our office? :) [10:04:29] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49100 [10:04:31] it should [10:04:54] what needs to happen for that? :) [10:05:24] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49120 [10:05:48] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48742 [10:05:56] we need to agree on a price and I have to come to your office [10:08:09] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49011 [10:08:44] how much do you want? [10:08:45] Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:Wikibase Client was modified, changed by Aude link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=719277 edit summary: [+34] lookup by property label not experimental now [10:09:08] * lbenedix is starting excel [10:10:37] the hardware was ~60EUR [10:11:59] abraham will negotiate with you, i need to run for a talk :) [10:12:08] see you later [10:33:13] aude: if you have some time to do reviews, please have a look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/70164/ [10:33:33] ok [10:34:53] lbenedix: hardware-meter? [10:36:42] YuviPanda: http://lb.bombenlabor.de/wikidatameter/ [10:37:04] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "Seems to work." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/70988 [10:37:05] mmm that's pretty nice! [10:37:34] Abraham_WMDE: CR+2. Machst du dann den backport? [10:38:41] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/70988 [10:38:44] DanielK_WMDE_: I think aude will backport it [10:38:58] DanielK_WMDE_: aude will backport it :) [10:39:06] sure :) [10:39:33] * aude also looking into why localisation update choked last night on wikibase data model [10:41:05] there will be no wmf8 and no wmf9 on monday if locailsation update can't run [10:41:15] anyone around to properly move http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Events to wikidata? [10:41:27] ideally with translations [10:48:01] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Add @group WikibaseLib to lib tests" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/71001 [10:50:02] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Add @group WikibaseLib to lib tests." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/71001 [11:08:50] Is there documentation somewhere that helps me find out how to use the mw.getEditToken correctly? [11:10:46] Granjow: I don't know much about the JS side, but I know what it should do on the API side... [11:10:50] Anyway: "This is a low-level method used by api.postWithEditToken to get tokens." [11:10:54] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/Default_modules#mw.Api.23getEditToken [11:11:07] does this help? it seems to imply that you don't really need to call it directly. [11:11:46] Granjow: or maybe this helps? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Edit_token#Retrieving_via_Ajax [11:12:06] * DanielK_WMDE_ finds it interesting that nobody says "AJAX" any more. [11:12:38] DanielK_WMDE_: Ah. That may help. I tried to use api.getEditToken but kept on receiving a TypeError: api.getEditToken is not a function [11:13:00] DanielK_WMDE_: I'd like to use the JS api to insert data from my DB into Wikibase. [11:13:06] * lbenedix thinks Ajax has something to do with XML, most "Ajax" Requests send and receive JSON [11:13:27] Ajaj? [11:13:56] * lbenedix loves the missuse of the term REST for every HTTP-Api [11:16:28] Ajax is not completely wrong because the XMLHttpRequest-Object is used to send the requests [11:16:46] Ok, mw.user.tokens.get( 'editToken' ) returns null, which is at least better than an error message. How would I call getEditToken directly? Shouldn't this be possible too? [11:18:26] Granjow: are you logged in? [11:19:26] lbenedix: yes. [11:20:17] api.php?action=tokens&type=edit&format=jsonfm does return me a token, too. [11:21:14] where do you call mw.user.tokens.get( 'editToken' );? [11:22:25] lbenedix: http://codepad.org/bCrpeNOl line 26. Or, in a subdirectoy of mediawiki. [11:23:01] so its not running from a mediawiki-context? [11:23:31] What is this? [11:23:55] it is not a gadget or inside of an extension? [11:24:04] No. [11:24:16] so you are not logged in [11:24:40] Why? And why does the function not tell me this? [11:24:49] And how can I get or stay logged in? [11:26:01] I'm not sure [11:26:10] And, when I use the Ajax call, I do get a token. [11:26:23] Line 31 [11:26:53] you need to authenticate before getting your token [11:27:31] hm, wait a second -- [11:28:38] Is this wrong? http://codepad.org/31AHBOAZ [11:28:45] It does not get executed. [11:31:59] Is this all undocumented, or did I simply not find the docs yet? [11:36:05] i'm not sure if you can usethe mw object from outside of the mediawiki context [11:36:32] What is the mediawiki context? [11:36:50] a mediawiki website [11:37:04] I mean, I loaded the modules (or at least I think I did), which is precisely what the extensions do as well [11:39:57] in an extension all requests have zou authßcookie [11:40:04] auth-cookie [11:44:43] The JS api needs a cookie, but my ajax request does not? [11:45:23] Did I load the module correctly, btw? When I call mw.user.getName, I receive a TypeError: mw.user.getName [11:45:29] is not a function [12:07:02] So I do this: http://codepad.org/RtTtD3xs [12:07:45] It says that the mediawiki.api module is ready. getModuleNames also contains mediawiki.api.parse. But api.parse ''is not a function''? [12:46:35] New patchset: Liangent; "New Utils::getLanguageFallbackChain() function" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/70871 [12:59:30] what does 'snak' mean in wikidata jargon? [13:00:11] liangent: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Data_model#Snaks [13:00:21] it's a collection of property + value [13:00:39] or can have "no value" or other thing than a "value" [13:03:42] New patchset: Aude; "SiteLinksEditTool: Regenerating EditableValue prototype" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.22-wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/71011 [13:03:50] aude: a single property-value pair, or a sum of some pairs? [13:04:00] Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.22-wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/71011 [13:05:23] liangent: a single pair [13:05:45] a collection of snaks (including references and qualifiers) is a statement [13:06:19] aude: got it thx [13:06:26] errr, it is a claim [13:06:37] claim is a superset of statements [13:11:15] Is any dev here working on the JavaScript part? [13:11:20] of Wikibase? [13:16:17] aude: claims include references? it doesn't seem so [13:17:18] or is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Data_model not up to date? [13:19:23] liangent: you are right [13:19:30] statements are a superset of claims [13:19:44] */ [13:19:47] class Statement extends Claim [13:26:57] aude: what's the guideline for changing a function definition? [13:28:33] i don't know if we have a guideline yet [13:29:02] Will I ever get help about development in this channel? [13:29:21] Or just about things that are documented anyway? [13:29:31] aude: simply replacing all existing function calls directly is fine? [13:29:40] Granjow: i know almost nothing about js [13:29:48] people are on vacation [13:30:25] another volunteer might be able to help, but seems they are on vacation also [13:37:41] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/67399/ not being merged is really annoying [13:38:07] for gerrit / jenkins tests [13:39:55] aude: :( okay. [13:40:01] maybe DanielK_WMDE_ can look [13:40:07] although it's not his expertise [13:40:35] Nikerabbit: can you look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/67399/ [13:41:10] Nikerabbit: btw it's also needed for another patch of mine, in Extension:CentralNotice [13:42:32] aude: is the test suite of wikibase complete enough? so I can just depend on jenkins to find out function calls that I forgot to change? [13:42:54] i wouldn't depend on that [13:43:03] the tests are quite good but not 100% [13:47:32] liangent: is there no better name than "parent"? My initial guess was that this had nothing to do with language converter? [13:49:22] Nikerabbit: getBaseLanguage ? [13:51:30] liangent: can you embed language converter in the name somehow? [13:52:05] getBaseLanguageLanguageConverter [13:56:41] Reedy: yeah that would mean different thing [14:06:24] Nikerabbit: getParentLanguageToUseConverter [14:06:45] getParentLanguageForConverter a little more ambiguous [14:11:14] getLanguageConverterBaseLanguage? [14:16:11] Now I'm trying to load my module and wikibase.client.init (arbitrary choice) with $wgOut->addModules(), and nothing is loaded. $wgOut->addHTML() does add HTML though. [14:16:26] Is this normal? [14:17:20] Granjow: are you logged in? [14:17:39] i think that one is for the site link widget (for logged in users only currently) [14:17:50] aude: I'm about to log me out with a big hammer soon. [14:18:13] with addModules, though i think it should work [14:18:14] aude: Yes, I am, I'm now in a special page. Ordinary Mediawiki extension and so on. [14:18:36] what about a regular wiki page? [14:19:00] What about it? [14:19:03] i'm not sure with addModules, it should get loaded regardless of which conditions we have in our hooks [14:19:12] the widget is not available in special pages [14:19:18] not sure it matters here [14:19:44] But I have also defined my own module where I put the .js I previously tried to execute. Not loaded either. [14:19:52] hmmmm [14:20:04] then i am not sure [14:25:10] Okay, so when I do it twice, then it works. [14:25:38] not sure why [14:26:49] I guess I do ... the part that is documented is done so incorrectly. [14:27:09] where is it documented? [14:27:24] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/Developing_with_ResourceLoader [14:27:26] how very useful. [14:27:56] ah, ok [14:30:03] Indeed, for whatever undocumented reason, wb.user now works. [14:30:51] Parsing '''Hello''' still fails, but who cares, who uses that complex MediaWiki syntax anyway! [14:36:55] Change on 12meta_wikimedia a page Wikidata was modified, changed by Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) link https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5612752 edit summary: [+2] events page was moved to wikidata.org now [14:38:32] Change on 12meta_wikimedia a page Wikidata was modified, changed by Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) link https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5612793 edit summary: [-964] remove box asking for input as it is horribly outdated by now [14:41:28] DanielK_WMDE: Hi! Just to remind you https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikisource . You have asked me to do so monday. [14:44:24] weeeee! It works! [14:44:47] :) [14:48:11] I could now fill my database with 42k empty items by just adding a single line of code! Now *that* is useful! :D [14:48:37] :D [14:50:01] liangent: the review situation is pretty bad at the moment... lots of people are on vacation. [14:50:05] i'll try to have a look [14:50:28] DanielK_WMDE_: in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/69847/2/ValueValidators/includes/Result.php ... [14:50:39] you check $a is valid and has no errors and then return $b [14:50:58] is that really what you intend? if so, why? [14:51:35] aude: because if $a is valid and has no errors, it's empty. if there is anything interesting, it's contained in $b. [14:52:39] hmmm [14:52:41] aude: logically: valid( a ) => valid( merge( a, b ) ) = valid( b ) [14:53:09] similarly: empty( errors( a ) ) => errors( merge( a, b ) ) = errors( b ) [14:53:25] and of course vice versa [14:53:43] then $b may or may not contain errors [14:53:49] yes. [14:53:59] if both contain errors, then we merge [14:54:08] yes [14:54:55] seems okay then [14:55:08] i find the function name "merge" a little bit vague also [14:55:20] mergeResults() maybe [14:55:29] well, it merges the list of errors and adjusts the validity state accordingly [14:55:50] Result::merge isn't clear enough? Result::mergeResults() seems redundant... [14:56:23] newFromResults [14:56:45] as it's a static function [14:56:58] "new" implies that it'll always return a new object [14:57:00] that is not the case [14:57:01] * aude don't want to make you rebase your other patch though [14:57:19] $a.mergedWith($b) [14:57:23] ? [14:57:23] it returns $a or $b or new Result [14:57:38] when would it not return a Result [14:58:32] ? [14:58:51] am I required to write tests for all code paths I touched? [14:59:00] even if there were no tests before [14:59:12] strongly encouraged, i'd say [14:59:28] not sure we do that 100% though [15:00:03] aude: it does not always return a *new* object. well, results are immutable, so it wouldn't make much of a different [15:00:05] * aude would get stuff shot at me though if i don't provide enough tests [15:00:20] DanielK_WMDE_: hmmmm [15:00:20] Granjow: that would implie that $a gets modified [15:01:16] liangent: you can also try to make the person who wrote the code in question write the test :) [15:01:59] if it's something like the hooks file, then it's not very easy to test at this point [15:03:55] DanielK_WMDE_: i suppose merge() is good enough for now although think it's somewhat vague [15:03:58] DanielK_WMDE_: true. I would then trade redundancy for clarity and vote for mergeResults(). [15:04:15] Tpt_: that proposal seems fine to me... but remind me please, what was i supposed to do there? [15:04:52] Tpt_: oh, because of the commons stuff? see https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikidata_for_media_info [15:06:21] Granjow, aude: but it's a static function, so it will always be written as Result::merge(), never just merge(). That should make it clear, no? [15:07:41] How can I submit patches to Wikibase? [15:07:56] DanielK_WMDE_: i know but it's not Results::merge [15:08:17] Granjow: via gerrit: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit [15:08:29] New review: Aude; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69847 [15:08:34] aude: no, that would be merging two sets of results :) [15:08:34] alright problem with your tests [15:08:41] * aude confused! [15:09:18] Granjow: see also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker [15:09:25] aude: what problem? [15:09:30] see my comments [15:09:34] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/69847/ [15:09:47] i can perhaps review more later or during the weekend [15:09:52] if you can fix that [15:10:36] * aude done with triaging the localisation update thing and we're not doing deployments next week anyway [15:10:52] DanielK_WMDE_: merge() sounds too much like union(a,b) ... well, thinking of it, it is actually exactly that. I think I just lost my point ;) [15:11:24] i can live with merge but it took me more than a minute to look at the code and understand [15:11:34] mergeResults would have been more obvious [15:12:32] anyway, i'm off soon in search of lunch :) and an appointment [15:12:42] * aude stop eating chocolates [15:13:17] DanielK_WMDE: You were just supposed to review it to see if there is no big issues. Thanks, I'll communicate on it. [15:13:19] aude: hahaha! omg i must have been tired :P [15:13:26] yeah [15:13:36] fix that and i can merge later [15:13:36] Tpt_: the proposal looks good to me, yea [15:13:40] optionally rename the function [15:13:44] DanielK_WMDE_: We need to turn of the change propagation for testwiki [15:13:55] hoo: huh? [15:14:00] If we don't, moves there will make wd.org inconsistent [15:14:14] aude: client to repo change propagation, I mean [15:14:40] DanielK_WMDE_: If the community agree on it, is it possible to see Wikisource support added this summer? [15:14:41] hoo: is there an option for that? i don't remember [15:14:44] does it directly insert the jobs aor require a cron job? [15:14:48] DanielK_WMDE_: Not yet [15:15:02] Tpt_: if it's just about language links, yes. [15:15:15] hoo: add that, then :) [15:15:20] DanielK_WMDE_: Ok. Thanks :-) [15:15:28] aude: it directly injects the jobs [15:15:29] we also need to setup test2 to be a client for test.wikidata [15:15:38] New patchset: Liangent; "Enable variant level fallback for {{#property: }}" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/71072 [15:15:45] aude: we really need the cache key change :/ [15:15:53] DanielK_WMDE_: yes yes [15:15:58] aude: poke me about it on monday if i havn't done it by then [15:16:21] i suppose hope nobody goes on page move spree on test2 between now and monday? [15:16:57] i won't get around to configuring test2 today and finding someoen willing to deploy it on a friday [15:17:27] aude: Do you have an example change where you introduce a new client config.? I haven't worked with these in ages [15:17:38] aude: what repo is hooked up to test2? should be test.wikidata.org now, no? [15:17:49] it would be in initialise settings i think [15:17:54] if not, we should make it so :) [15:17:57] or we could use a switch statement in common settings [15:18:03] DanielK_WMDE_: that's what i am saying [15:18:08] just never got around to it [15:19:13] and then we'd want to setup cronjobs for change propagation from test wikidata to test2 [15:19:34] not urgent [15:20:00] aude: Wouldn't that be a nice place to experiment with job only propagation? :P [15:20:05] it would be [15:20:28] deploying new cron jobs requires extra super powers [15:20:33] e.g. not ree-dy [15:21:00] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Allow Result objects to be merged" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69847 [15:21:41] * hoo thinks about a good and generic enough setting name [15:22:01] hoo: "propagateChangesToRepo" ? [15:22:19] aude: fixed. [15:22:31] That sounds nice and will also cover delete propagation, ... [15:22:36] DanielK_WMDE_: ok [15:22:39] ok, i'm off again, have to sort some stuff downtown and see the inlaws. [15:22:55] will be online a bit tomorrow. most stuff will have to wait until monday. [15:22:59] hoo: sounds okay [15:23:21] ok :) [15:23:41] alright, time for lunch :) [15:23:55] * aude around later [15:31:20] New patchset: Liangent; "New LanguageWrapper class" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67453 [15:31:34] New patchset: Liangent; "New Utils::getLanguageFallbackChain() function" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/70871 [15:31:44] New patchset: Liangent; "Enable variant level fallback for {{#property: }}" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/71072 [15:32:49] DanielK_WMDE_: I think I added you as reviewer here: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/71074/1,publish [15:33:57] Granjow: You did yes [15:34:20] You can see reviewers on the left of the main change view https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/71074 [15:35:23] :) [15:41:38] New patchset: Hoo man; "Introduce the propagateChangesToRepo client setting" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/71076 [15:42:33] away again [15:48:42] Hm. I pulled from Wikibase, and now it is broken, I only get a white screen. No entries in /var/log/apache2/error.log. [15:50:49] How would I fix that? Any standard procedures? (For now I just used the reflog and went back to the previous version.) [15:55:55] New patchset: Liangent; "Enable variant level fallback for {{#property: }}" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/71072 [16:09:58] New patchset: Liangent; "Enable variant level fallback for {{#property: }}" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/71072 [16:22:38] later, thanks for the help! [16:35:02] . [16:36:23] New patchset: Liangent; "Enable variant level fallback for {{#property: }}" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/71072 [16:49:17] hey guys [16:49:48] I am trying to checkout the correct versions of Wikibase, but I am unable to do so [16:50:01] it appears that, the master head is broken [16:50:54] It's probably not... did you also install all extension Wikibase depends on? [16:51:02] * extensions [16:53:01] pubsez: build is working https://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase [16:53:27] Like hoo said, you probably do not have the dependencies or perhaps you did not include the default config while also not specifying your own [16:53:43] in my case it complains about this line: wgValueFormatters[ \Wikibase\EntityId::getType() ] = 'Wikibase\Lib\EntityIdFormatter' [16:53:51] it appears that Wikibase\EntityId is missing [16:54:04] and when I comment that out, there are other errors in other locations [16:54:20] how can I checkout the specific version that is working in wikipedia [16:54:28] pubsez: You need the WikibaseDataModel extension [16:54:54] thanks hop, let me check it out [16:55:56] Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:Wikibase was modified, changed by Hoo man link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=719440 edit summary: [+11] /* Requirements */ + [[Extension:WikibaseDataModel|WikibaseDataModel]] [16:56:05] hoo: any tutorial about using composer in mw, to avoid such issues in the future? [16:56:16] JeroenDeDauw: We should create a page for that extension... people are confused a lot [16:56:38] liangent: Oh... I don't know... better ask Jeroen [16:57:16] Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:Wikibase was modified, changed by Liangent link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=719442 edit summary: [+28] /* Requirements */ [16:57:40] thanks, liangent... that page is pretty incomplete :/ [16:59:32] thanks hop, it works now [16:59:37] ops hop, not hop [16:59:51] arghh, damn you colloquy [17:00:44] :D At least it works now ;) [17:03:05] yes, at least the extension works just fine [17:03:23] although, I still have some work to do for setting up the wikidata :) [17:05:22] New patchset: Hoo man; "Drastically reduce the number of RL modules in clients" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/70115 [17:07:17] New review: Hoo man; "Rebased" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/70115 [17:10:08] hoo: we have a page https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wikibase_DataModel [17:10:39] liangent: we do not have a tutorial, however if you know how to use composer, just install wikibase/wikibase [17:11:01] shame on me... thanks, Jeroen [17:11:20] liangent: see for instance: composer create-project wikibase/wikibase:dev-master Wikibase --keep-vcs [17:11:24] here https://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/jobs/8541070 [17:11:33] Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:Wikibase was modified, changed by Hoo man link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=719451 edit summary: [+2] /* Requirements */ fix link [17:11:39] do the wikidata extensions retrieve the properties through database or through http interface through wikidata.org [17:11:57] I am asking this because there is repoUrl in the configuration [17:12:10] liangent: https://packagist.org/search/?q=wikidata [17:12:19] pubsez: That's for linking the wiki on which the repo runs [17:12:38] Do you want to use Wikidata.org as you're repository wiki? That's not currently possible [17:12:53] nope, I was just trying to understand how wikidata overall works [17:13:02] JeroenDeDauw: I don't know how to use it now... [17:13:08] I am trying to setup one in my local machine [17:13:23] pubsez: Ah ok... that url is only used for front end things... javascript and links within the interface [17:13:29] and I'm having a cluster setup. can composer take care of it? [17:14:02] liangent: a cluster setup? [17:14:23] He probably means a wiki farm [17:14:28] with $wgConf and wmgUseWikibaseRepo / wmgUseWikibaseClient, like what WMF does [17:14:39] in the wikidatawiki dumps, I don't see two tables: wb_entity_per_page and wb_id_counters [17:14:44] how do we populate these tables [17:15:17] liangent: I don't know about these settings [17:15:28] liangent: for compoer it seems you should just RTFM http://getcomposer.org/doc/ :) [17:15:48] pubsez: repo/maintenance/rebuildEntityPerPage.php [17:16:09] thanks hoo (this time I got it :) ) [17:16:38] lib/maintenance/rebuildAllData.php [17:23:45] JeroenDeDauw: it seems composer is targeted at final users instead of developers..? [17:24:09] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "No tests, which explains why the bug in this code has not been found yet" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/70163 [17:25:41] liangent: I'm finding it pretty useful :) [17:25:58] liangent: also, who is the final user of some software component? [17:26:43] JeroenDeDauw: I mean sysadmins wanting to install it on their servers [17:39:05] aude: btw why is denny missing again these days ... or it's just because I have a different online time than him? [17:52:26] liangent: he was around this morning [17:52:44] hey hoo, how does wikidata extension retrieve property:p154 for a particular page [17:52:51] or where can I find documentation that explains this overview [17:54:27] pubsez: you need to have your own properties [17:54:48] for wikidata and wikipedia, the databases "talk" to eachother [17:54:57] aude: I am trying to understand how it works on wikipedia in general [17:55:02] we're hoping at some point to have 3rd party access [17:55:06] some mechanism [17:55:25] ok, wikipedia directly access the database, although property info is cached in memcached [17:55:41] all entities (items + properties) are cached [17:55:47] what I am trying to understand is on wikipedia, how does wikibase client turn property:p154 into the logo image value [17:56:10] oh, it loads the entity data (for the connected item) [17:56:32] then sees there is property p154 and returns the data value for it [17:56:45] how does it turn the title to the entity [17:56:54] e.g. I see that Google => Q95 [17:57:35] ok, then it loads the data for q95 and gets the label [17:57:47] hopefully from the cache [17:57:54] but where does it find that Google is Q95 [17:58:14] aude: and he doesn't look responsive in gerrit emails either [17:58:18] I found that by searching wikidata, but how does the wikibase extension do that [17:58:50] google is the label... there is a "terms" table that stores the labels (and descriptions, aliases) for each item [17:59:08] that table is used in the lookup process [17:59:12] wb_terms? [17:59:13] liangent: sorry :( [17:59:16] pubsez: yes [17:59:23] now I got it, thanks [17:59:25] ok [17:59:42] and when items change, then wikidata inserts a "job" into allthe clients and then the caches get purged [17:59:51] for relevant items [18:00:07] i think denny is around next weeke [18:00:14] week [18:00:30] liangent: did your core patch get merged yet? [18:01:16] when I search select * from wb_terms where term_text = 'Google'; I see term_row_id etc... [18:01:21] aude: yes [18:01:22] but I don't see Q95 [18:01:31] liangent: goo [18:01:32] d [18:01:40] do I need to do another search in another table? [18:01:45] i can take a look at your wikibase patches [18:01:55] although would prefer a +1 from denny or something [18:02:55] aude: how do you think about that naming question [18:03:23] LanguageWrapper [18:04:32] pubsez: there is 95 (for term entity id) [18:04:39] and term type = item [18:04:58] so if you know the item is q95, then you can find the label in this table [18:05:18] liangent: even though it's longer, i would go with denny's suggestion [18:05:24] more specific is usually better [18:05:58] pubsez: since we know it's an item, then the software can handle attaching the prefix or otherwise knows about that [18:06:32]