[00:02:45] Does a property for "mascot" exist? [00:03:32] TCN7JM: Nope. [00:03:49] Erm...why not? [00:04:16] No-one requested it, consensus didn't exist etc. many reasons. [00:05:20] It should exist. I'm going to request it. [00:05:57] TCN7JM: Ok. And it will be created in a week if consensus exists :) [00:29:23] What would mascot go under? Organization? [00:30:02] Er, I guess "nickname" is already being proposed, I'll just go with that instead. [00:31:22] nickname, Under which subpage? [00:31:36] Organization [00:32:48] TCN7JM: May take a while as the Datatype does not appear to be under development yet. [03:32:37] @seen Denny_WMDE [03:40:06] Type @commands for list of commands. This bot is running http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WM-Bot version wikimedia bot v. 1.10.8.10 source code licensed under GPL and located at https://github.com/benapetr/wikimedia-bot [03:40:11] @seen Denny_WMDE [03:40:20] You are unknown to me :) [04:49:39] aude: Denny is missing again :( [06:24:11] liangent: denny should be around today [07:39:05] how do I see/edit the name/description in other languages? [07:39:52] Okay, is there the word "English" next to your username near the upper-right corner? [07:40:20] yes [07:40:29] Just click that and a whole list of languages should come up. Just click the one you wanna switch to. [07:40:50] nikki: if you have a few particular languages you wish to edit, add it to your {{#babel}} [07:41:29] That, too. But this is just in general. [07:41:51] will the babel thing make it possible to see them without switching back and forth all the time? [07:42:01] Yeah. [07:42:23] ok, I'll try that [07:43:04] admin? [07:43:13] Hello. [07:43:14] M4r51n: yes? [07:43:22] yes? [07:43:25] pm? [07:43:37] * Jasper_Deng PMs [07:49:52] aha, that worked, thanks :D [07:55:12] Yup. [07:55:12] Well, it was more JD than me, but still. [09:52:11] Change merged: Denny Vrandecic; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/64944 [10:05:03] DanielK_WMDE__: regarding decomposing the editEntity API module.. [10:05:45] if we, lets say, create something like a LabelChangeOp, DescriptionChangeOp, and so on.. [10:06:15] that would be atomic changes to the entity [10:07:14] so, a api request to editEntity would then make several atomic changes to an entity [10:07:22] is that really what we want? [10:08:35] or should the ChangeOps NOT change the entity directly but just change the entityContent object and let the API module do the saving stuff [10:12:19] Tobi_WMDE: the ChangeOp should change the Entity (not EntityContent), and not save anything. [10:12:35] it's much like a DiffOp - essentially an atomic patch [10:13:47] maybe it could even *be* a DiffOp, but I think ChangeOps may have some extra knowledge: they could know how to compose a summary, and which extra permissions are required [10:14:00] (we may require extra permissions for changing ranks, for instance) [10:14:40] The actual saving (and conflict resolution) should be left to the EditEntity controller class (which also needs refactoring at some point) [10:15:21] Tobi_WMDE: ChangeOps may have knowledge of a previous value (just like a DiffOp) would, to allow conflict detection on that level (instead of based on a base revision) [10:15:41] DanielK_WMDE__: ok. what I started with, is, putting everything under "case label", "case description" a.s.o. in editEntity into its own class [10:15:52] exactly [10:18:46] DanielK_WMDE: but in case of e.g. an editEntity API call, all the changes (label, description, etc..) have to affect the same entity, so I'm wondering if i should pass the respective entity by reference to the ChangeOp classes (which in my opinion is not very nice..) [10:20:19] I am probably thinking to complicated though.. [10:20:54] Tobi_WMDE: $changeOp->apply( $entity ) [10:21:26] the data structure passed to the api mudule should be parsed and converted into a batch of changeop objects (essentially, a patch) [10:21:55] then the entity is loaded, the changes applied, and finally, the entity is svaed via an EditEntity controller [10:21:59] *saved [10:22:13] Tobi_WMDE: at least, that seems to most streight forward way to me [10:22:30] DanielK_WMDE: ok, sounds good [10:23:47] Tobi_WMDE: the code for turning the json structure into changeop objects should probably follow the serializer pattern suggested by tobi during the workshop [10:24:58] i.e. register one json-to-object converter for each kind of change, and have a top level converter that dispatches to the appropriate converter based on the key in the json structure. [10:25:37] we could have that logic in the changeop classes, but that seems nasty. [10:25:55] for a start, the old case statement would cover this, but in time, it would be nice to factor this out [10:30:37] Reedy: could you have a look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/28199/ please? I think it can now finally go in. [10:31:04] New review: Denny Vrandecic; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65493 [10:31:53] Change merged: Denny Vrandecic; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65495 [10:32:35] Change merged: Denny Vrandecic; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65496 [10:36:11] Change merged: Denny Vrandecic; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65497 [10:36:53] Change merged: Denny Vrandecic; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65498 [11:01:59] Hi, quick question, since I'm new to Wikidata and seems to get somewhat lost trying to find my way. [11:02:02] I'd like to help out with how Wikidata deals with websites (e.g. http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q866 (Youtube)), since it's both related to my daily job and stuff I've done on Wikipedia, and hopefully I'd be able to be of service. [11:02:06] Am I correct in assuming that the project hasn't got very far yet in regards to that? And if so, where should I start? Create something akin to http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Books_task_force and start looking at the best way to work with infoboxes for websites? [11:03:05] hey Julle - we're still waiting for data types and stuff that'd make Wikidata good for this kind of stuff. ;) [11:03:17] but do feel free to propose a task force for websites [11:09:56] tommorris: yes, I assumed that. Which is why I wanted to help out with making sure that we know what data would be useful to have here regarding websites. :) [11:10:37] we do not support URLs yet as a datatype, I guess this is kinda relevant for websites ;) [11:10:43] tommorris: what data types would be particularly important for that, do you think? [11:10:53] but owners of a site, topics, etc. can already be covered [11:10:57] Julle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_website might be a start [11:11:00] Denny_WMDE: i remember you saying that we don't really need that :P [11:11:02] DanielK_WMDE: URL ;) [11:11:22] dates and times might be useful (as in when did the site start and finish) [11:11:23] well, "string" can be (mis)used fro urls. but i don't really want to advocate that :) [11:11:42] yeah, no, strings != urls [11:12:05] urls are a subtype of string... but everything ought to be considered a subtype of string. ;) [11:12:49] Denny_WMDE: urls should be really simple, what's keeping us? [11:13:06] tommorris: yes, and infoboxes in different language versions, to see if they have other useful stuff. Figured I could take a look at a few big websites in ten, fifteen languages or so and see if they just importet the enwiki infobox, or had better ideas. [11:13:26] tommorris: date/time is due for deployment. if nothing goes wrong, it'll be there some time tomorrow. [11:13:32] nice [11:13:42] i should probably read that wikidata news thing that gets plonked on my userpage [11:13:58] DanielK_WMDE: datatype validators are needed first [11:14:06] * DanielK_WMDE isn't quite sure whether that was official [11:14:14] Denny_WMDE: ah, right [11:14:35] Denny_WMDE: well... not technically. we can have a URL data type without validation [11:14:59] (a bit pointless, sure, but has a better upgrade path than abusing plain strings) [11:15:41] Denny_WMDE: I'd prefer validation. should be easier to get through with the security review :) [11:19:29] Denny_WMDE: true :) [11:19:45] Tobi_WMDE: DanielK_WMDE in the api, should a string value (e.g. $params['value']) be send in json encoded format? [11:20:05] in create claim it decodes everything so a string also needs to be sent encoded [11:20:31] in the set qualifier api test, it encodes only arrays (e.g. EntityId) [11:21:20] Henning_WMDE: do you know? ^ [11:23:48] Someone please merge 4 moar of my Wikidata commits, then this list will all be a me https://bit.ly/wdmerged [11:24:49] Denny_WMDE: the most recent 5 commits here are relevant for the sqlstore https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/status:open+project:mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase+owner:%22Jeroen+De+Dauw+%253Cjeroendedauw%2540gmail.com%253E%22,n,z [11:29:11] New patchset: Henning Snater; "[coordinate.js] Refactored precision texts handling and added tests" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65777 [11:36:37] New review: Denny Vrandecic; "no way to remove individual snaks?" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65552 [11:36:38] Change merged: Denny Vrandecic; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65552 [11:37:26] aude: setQualifier is not used in the frontend; Setting qualifiers is done via setClaim. But I would expect every API function to perform decoding. [11:37:51] Henning_WMDE: ok [11:37:53] even for strings [11:38:21] inconsistency is bad [11:38:31] one api module does one thing, another does another [11:38:58] I would suppose this is due to historical reasons. ;) [11:39:02] heh [11:39:22] * aude thinks set qualifiers never worked properly [11:39:31] shall be fixed [11:41:21] Change merged: Denny Vrandecic; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65536 [11:42:35] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65592 [11:45:18] New patchset: Henning Snater; "[coordinate.js] Refactored precision texts handling and added tests" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65777 [11:48:45] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Implemented ValueSnakStore->removeSnaksOfSubject" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65553 [11:48:50] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Implemented ValuelessSnakStore->removeSnaksOfSubject" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65578 [12:02:59] Tobi_WMDE: Danwe_WMDE: please to merge https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/status:open+project:mediawiki/extensions/Diff,n,z ? Esp the oldest two [12:03:14] That will help me fix the failiure on master for Wikibase [12:04:55] JeroenDeDauw: we could also just revert the breaking change. :-P [12:10:51] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added ArrayComparer interface" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/63713 [12:10:58] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added preliminary diff merger functionality" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/63690 [12:11:02] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65677 [12:11:49] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "Please provide instructions as to what to use instead of the deprecated globals, especially for regi..." [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65679 [12:15:33] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65493 [12:15:58] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "will jenkins merge this?" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65590 [12:16:11] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65590 [12:17:41] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65647 [12:20:10] jemand da der sich mit der translate extenion auskennt? [12:38:10] huh [12:38:23] It seems a huge amount of cities are marked as "instance of: city" [12:38:39] While another huge amount of cities are marked as "administrative division type: city" [12:38:46] * reosarevok wonders if one should be picked [12:39:03] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/63690 [12:40:50] reosarevok: I'd just put both [12:41:02] That's also an option I guess [12:45:40] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/63713 [12:46:38] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "looks sensible, but my JS skills are too weak to give a +2" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65676 [12:48:16] New review: Denny Vrandecic; "Is that true? I just merged the same patchset for Ask." [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65538 [12:50:18] New review: Denny Vrandecic; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65694 [12:50:49] Change merged: Denny Vrandecic; [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65695 [12:51:12] Change merged: Denny Vrandecic; [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65696 [12:51:45] Change merged: Denny Vrandecic; [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65697 [12:52:39] Change merged: Denny Vrandecic; [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65698 [12:53:18] Change merged: Denny Vrandecic; [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65699 [12:54:20] Change merged: Denny Vrandecic; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65692 [12:56:02] ^demon: hi! could you have a look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/28199/ ? After it was stuck on a documentation issue for a couple of months, i guess it can go in now :) [12:59:48] * ^demon will add that to his really big todo list [13:00:01] <^demon> Vacations are great, but dang my todo list is a mile long now :) [13:01:40] ^demon: tell me about it :) [13:02:15] i was trying to get reedy to merge it earlier, since he had already looked at it before. But he wasn't responsive. [13:06:23] Does anyone know if the license of Wikidata has been discussed somewhere? [13:10:25] New patchset: Aude; "(bug 48864) json decode value for addQualifier in SetQualifier api module" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65794 [13:11:09] emj: as in? discussed as in why CC0? [13:12:05] reosarevok: As in why the Sharealike clause isn't there.. [13:12:28] It's CC0, there's no possible share-alike, right? [13:12:38] It's for all purposes public-domain [13:13:06] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fixed callback usage in ClaimDiffer and added tests" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65795 [13:13:24] emj: that would make wikipedia CC0 [13:13:28] and that is not wanted [13:13:33] New patchset: Aude; "(bug 48864) json decode value for addQualifier in SetQualifier api module" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65794 [13:13:44] the problem with by-sa is that it makes data really fucking hard to attribute [13:13:53] like, if you copy a wikipedia article and publish it, it's easy to attribute [13:14:02] CC0 for pure data sounds like the most reasonable choice anyway [13:14:05] but individual nuggets of fact aren't copyrightable [13:14:14] yeah, because of that :) [13:14:23] the massive issues with CC BY-SA for data is what led OpenStreetMap to create the ODbL [13:14:25] You fail to grasp. Wikipedia is licensed CC-by-SA [13:14:29] Yes. And? [13:14:34] Wikidata is not Wikipedia [13:14:45] Wikinews is licensed under CC BY (not SA) [13:14:49] Does Wikidata contain imported data from wikipedia? [13:14:56] Yes. But facts aren't copyrightable [13:15:04] But they are in Europe. [13:15:06] The creative expression of a Wikipedia article is copyrightable [13:15:13] well collection of facts. [13:15:20] * reosarevok notes that Wikipedia says "Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License" [13:15:29] (and text isn't being imported) [13:15:30] i.e. interwiki links and infoboxes. [13:15:36] aude, Denny_WMDE: for tomorrow's deployment: let's set $wgWBRepoSettings['dataSquidMaxage'] = 1 * 60 * 60 to avoid horribly stale entity data in the squids. [13:15:49] DanielK_WMDE: ok [13:15:57] (well, enwiki, dunno what other wikis say) [13:15:58] that can be added at anytime [13:16:10] no need to wait until tomorrow [13:16:30] emj: they are not copyrightable in europe; database protection isn't copyright. the right lies with the publisher. that would be the wikimedia foundation. the wmf waves this right. [13:16:32] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix fetching of a TableBuilder after it got moved about" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65796 [13:16:58] emj: it's also questionable whether it applies here at all. [13:17:20] DanielK_WMDE: Ah. ok so you mean the all the data I have uploaded under CC-by-SA is know public domain. Because it's convenient [13:17:22] * aude wonders how things would be different if osm was established in the US [13:17:28] now. [13:17:30] and wikipedia in europe [13:17:50] that fact makes them somewhat incompatible in terms of db rights [13:17:54] aude: We wouldn't have OSM then.. [13:17:55] emj: if it's just data, not a creative work, then yes. because copyright appllies to creative work. [13:18:06] emj: we would [13:18:21] we might allow more copying from google maps, etc. [13:18:30] like wikipedia allows for copying coordinates [13:18:32] DanielK_WMDE: I'm sorry Database protection laws, [13:18:58] emj: sorry, I didn't fully understand your point [13:18:58] then wikimedia could have a more difficult time about db rights [13:18:59] aude: Making it impossible to ue in Europe. [13:19:08] emj: right [13:19:11] emj: no data from Wikipedia has been uploaded to Wikidata [13:19:18] that's why osm refuses to allow stuff like wikipedia coordinates [13:19:27] can't use wikipedia content in osm [13:19:45] Denny_WMDE: What do you mean? Clearly the interwiki links are from wikipedia. [13:20:00] emj: no [13:20:12] Denny_WMDE: then where are they from? [13:20:31] emj: what is copyrighted is the expression of the language links in wikipedia, i.e. the string [[de:Berlin]] [[en:Berlin]] etc. [13:20:32] [6] 10https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin13 => [13:20:34] [7] 10https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin [13:20:40] emj: you will not find that in Wikidata [13:20:40] aude: That would mean two Openstreetmap, one in europe and one in the US.. [13:21:31] emj: reading a Wikipedia article though, and then doing some action based on that, is not protected by copyright. Merely the right to copy verbatim is protected by copyright [13:21:37] Denny_WMDE: The thing is that a database is a collection of facts. If I write it as [[de:Berlin]] [[en:Berlin]] or as Q123345;de:Berlin,sv:Berlin, Tyskland doesn't matter [13:21:39] [8] 10https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin13 => [13:21:40] emj: could be [13:21:41] [9] 10https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin [13:21:51] emj: that would be true if Wikipedia would be a Database [13:21:55] emj: but it is not [13:21:58] Denny_WMDE: i very mich doubt that [[en:Berlin]] is copyrightable. [13:21:59] [10] 10https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin [13:22:12] also, CC-BY-SA 3.0 does not apply to Databases actually [13:22:41] so, Wikipedia is not a DB and thus not protected by DB rights. And even if it was a DB, the CC-BY-SA does not have any provision based on DB rights. [13:22:53] do you disagree, emj? [13:22:56] Denny_WMDE: Indeed I know that CC has said that CC is not supposed to be used for databases. But it is and has been honored as a license for databases before. [13:23:13] "it is used for databases" [13:23:18] emj: show me the court case [13:23:18] copyright != db rights [13:23:42] emj: cc-by-sa for db has never been tested, and there's a good reason for that - it does not hold. [13:23:49] Denny_WMDE: What do you mean, do you want me to try to sue Wikimedia based on my entries in Wikipedia? [13:24:07] that sounds like an awfull amount of work. [13:24:10] emj: why does it have to be Wikimedia? any such case would be sufficient [13:24:20] also, as said, Wikipedia is not a DB [13:24:36] therefore DB rights do not apply [13:24:46] Well actually of course it's DB. [13:25:08] well, then the DB schema of MediaWiki is protected, but that's not what we are talking about here, right? [13:25:33] I've always used Wikipedia as a database of interwiki links since ~2004 I think, I could probably look it up in my edit history.. [13:26:05] emj: well, because you use it as a DB does not mean it falls under the legal definition of a DB [13:27:05] Which happens to be more or less "a collection of facts" at least in our law, and I'm guessing there is a EU database directive which makes it the same in Germany.. [13:28:12] The foundation can of course publish disregard that there is a database protection and publish it in the US, but that still means you can't use it as CC-0 in Europe. [13:28:46] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fixed testPatch in EntityTest" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65798 [13:30:05] emj: be back in a minute, sorry [13:30:40] Denny_WMDE: Np, I've thought about this since April, I have no rush. Wil probably need to leave. [13:31:44] emj: back, still there? [13:31:56] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65798 [13:32:06] * emj is here. [13:32:07] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fixed callback usage in ClaimDiffer and added tests" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65795 [13:32:09] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix fetching of a TableBuilder after it got moved about" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65796 [13:32:11] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Implemented ValueSnakStore->removeSnaksOfSubject" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65553 [13:32:17] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Implemented ValuelessSnakStore->removeSnaksOfSubject" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65578 [13:33:23] here's some personal opinion on this in general: https://plus.google.com/104177144420404771615/posts/cvGay9eDSSK [13:33:39] in specific, the question is: is Wikipedia a DB? [13:33:55] with regards to the DB directive [13:34:09] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65647 [13:34:51] the DB protects the investemnet of time, money and effort of the DB producer [13:35:03] not of the individual authors for content of the DB [13:35:10] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65677 [13:35:13] this is very different from copyright [13:35:21] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "There is no new system fully in place yet. This one is incomplete and has issues, thus should not be..." [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65679 [13:35:50] i.e. you could not sue anyone for having entered a language link into Wikipedia that is now being used in Wikidata, even *if* Wikipedia would hypothetically be regarded as a DB [13:36:03] because you are not the DB producer [13:36:21] do you have a different reading of the DB directive? [13:38:16] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added preliminary diff merger functionality" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/63690 [13:38:45] Denny_WMDE: I'm not sure.. Especially since data entered in Wikipedia will always be entered as CC-by-SA, so the effort and time is not on the producer but on all the people who agrees to this "contract". [13:39:35] emj: first: you do not enter data under CC-BY-SA. you enter text (or other creative content) under CC-BY-SA [13:40:07] emj: second, the DB right only protect the DB producer, so you can not build on it in this case [13:40:14] which one of these do you disagree with? [13:40:58] First yes. [13:41:02] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added preliminary diff merger functionality" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/63690 [13:41:11] New patchset: Aude; "Move Set and RemoveQualifier api modules out of experimental" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65800 [13:41:13] you disagree with the first? [13:41:26] Denny_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/65800/ please review :) [13:41:51] yes I disagre with the first one. The second one is harder. [13:41:53] * aude incredulous that we never moved these out of experimental [13:42:30] emj: ok, do you understand the difference between expression and idea? [13:42:33] Denny_WMDE: Have to go now, thanks for the discussion. [13:42:42] emj: ok [13:43:08] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65694 [13:43:23] Denny_WMDE: Probably, but not in this case.. :-) Feel free to enlighten me. I'll read it in ~6 hours or so [13:43:25] emj: feel free to engage with that again :) [13:45:10] emj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idea%E2%80%93expression_divide [13:46:12] Change merged: Denny Vrandecic; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65800 [13:46:18] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added @throws docs" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65801 [13:46:21] thanks denny [13:46:27] aude: is it supposed to be backported? i guess not? [13:46:49] Change merged: Denny Vrandecic; [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65801 [13:46:58] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65694 [13:46:58] if we want, but then it needs my other patch that fixes the inability to add qualifiers with items / time datavalues [13:47:10] both are isolated enough to do, if we ant [13:47:11] i guess no hurried need for that [13:47:12] want [13:47:15] ok [13:48:06] Denny_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65578 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65553 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65796 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65493 [13:49:13] Change merged: Denny Vrandecic; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65553 [13:49:24] didnt i review that before? [13:49:45] Change merged: Denny Vrandecic; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65578 [13:50:10] New review: Aude; "recheck" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65794 [13:51:23] Change merged: Denny Vrandecic; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65796 [13:52:44] JeroenDeDauw: re https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/65493/ is this meant to be merged? I am asking due to the drafty nature of this [13:55:02] New patchset: Aude; "(bug 48864) json decode value for addQualifier in SetQualifier api module" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65794 [13:55:17] New patchset: Aude; "(bug 48864) json decode value for addQualifier in SetQualifier api module" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65794 [13:55:59] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65493 [13:56:08] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added EntityRemover" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65493 [13:56:15] Denny_WMDE: see reply [13:56:18] I just rebased [13:56:23] tests might fail against master now [13:57:32] Denny_WMDE: ok, good to go [13:58:50] Change merged: Denny Vrandecic; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65493 [14:01:13] arrrr [14:01:19] so the tests did break like I though [14:01:22] ... [14:01:27] Jenkins is apparently not running them [14:03:24] is that what tobi meant with his comment? by moving out the test inclusion? [14:04:03] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Load QueryEngine component in the jenkins bootstrap" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65802 [14:07:03] Change abandoned: Jeroen De Dauw; "bah, Jenkins is failing for some other reason as well" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65802 [14:07:35] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix incorrect code after merge" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65803 [14:23:41] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Register ALL of the tests in the MW test runner hook" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65804 [14:25:28] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65804 [14:25:38] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix incorrect code after merge" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65803 [14:26:00] Jenkins will show fail for stuff in trhe next minute or so [14:28:01] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65803 [14:28:11] and is now ok again [14:28:23] New patchset: Henning Snater; "[coordinate.js] Added QUnit tests for basic coordinate.js methods" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65806 [14:31:41] are there dumps of wikidata which are more data-centric, something like http://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetentities&sites=enwiki&titles=Berlin&format=xml but for the complete database? [14:31:45] hi Denny_WMDE [14:32:06] liangent: hi liangent! [14:32:10] congratulations [14:35:45] Denny_WMDE: is there something I need to set up now? [14:36:14] dunno [14:36:23] do you have your dev environment set up already? [14:36:39] Denny_WMDE: yes [14:37:01] I already have a bunch of patches submitted ;) [14:37:01] Change merged: Denny Vrandecic; [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65694 [14:37:07] sweet [14:37:34] yeh, i see it now [14:37:35] New patchset: Henning Snater; "[coordinate.js] Basic parser QUnit tests" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65809 [14:37:56] so how do you want to do this? [14:38:03] i guess you have my email adress? [14:38:12] whenever you write me, please also put lydia in cc [14:38:25] just so she can kick me in case i miss an email (i do that frequently) [14:38:37] Denny_WMDE: is it the one listed in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65694 ? [14:38:46] sorry [14:38:54] I mean in git commits [14:38:54] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Register component info of QueryEngine in MW" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65810 [14:39:04] denny.vrandecic@wikimedia.de and lydia.pintscher, same domain [14:39:07] no secrets here :) [14:39:53] anyway they're logged in plain text, open for spam :p [14:40:17] yep :) [14:40:20] thanks gmail filters! [14:40:35] i will be afk for 30 minutes, sorry [14:56:38] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Hooked up EntityRemover to lower level components" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65812 [15:00:01] I can not join to admins IRC channel. Not very important though [15:01:24] ebraminio: Hm? [15:02:09] ebraminio: I'll invite you and see if it is access lists if you want. [15:03:33] JohnLewis, please, thanks [15:03:48] liangent: back [15:04:05] ebraminio: Should have been invited now. [15:04:25] JohnLewis, yes, thanks [15:08:19] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added EntityUpdater" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65814 [15:10:48] JohnLewis, no i can't [15:11:03] ebraminio: I just fixed it now. I set the wrong cloak :) [15:11:13] Try again. [15:12:16] Change abandoned: Jeroen De Dauw; "It is. Since Ask is a standalone library, it is very weird for it to have a manually maintained list..." [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65538 [15:16:45] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Get rid of manual test registration" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65817 [15:17:06] Denny_WMDE: here [15:18:28] liangent: so you want to give https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Liangent/wb-lang another pass? [15:18:46] update it with the most current data, your timeline, etc. [15:18:54] then ping me and i go through it? or how do you want to work? [15:19:11] Denny_WMDE: I remember you said I should use a metawiki page? [15:19:21] yep, you can move it to meta now [15:19:38] oh [15:19:51] Lydia_WMDE: just telling me that the gsoc discussions are on mediawiki not on meta [15:19:54] so you can leave it there [15:19:59] as you prefer, sorry [15:26:54] Denny_WMDE: seen my https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Liangent/wb-lang/dev before? [15:27:55] nope [15:27:56] thx [15:28:57] what is the difference between zh and zh-cn? [15:30:41] Denny_WMDE: zh-cn values are always valid zh values [15:31:09] just we know explicitly zh-cn value is written in China "dialect" so no further conversion need to be applid [15:31:19] *applied [15:31:52] sorry, i don't understand. i have an item with a label in zh "1" and a label in zh-cn "2" [15:32:00] if we use the converter to convert a zh-cn value to zh-cn, most of time it actually does nothing [15:32:04] is hoo here? [15:32:10] liangent: most of the time? [15:32:21] in rare cases mistakes may be introduced [15:32:28] you mean zh -> zh-cn, not zh-cn -> zh-cn ? [15:32:32] abusefilter got broken again…. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog?wpSearchUser=&wpSearchFilter=23&wpSearchTitle= [15:33:07] Denny_WMDE: there's no mw converter for zh-cn -> zh-cn, only zh -> zh-cn; but "zh-cn values are always valid zh values" [15:33:42] and the other way around? [15:33:50] are zh values always valid zh-cn values? [15:34:12] Denny_WMDE: no. zh-tw values are valid zh values too [15:34:41] legoktm, when you have time please look at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/MBAreaBot and tell me if I need to do anything else :) [15:34:44] wait, you are confusing me even more [15:34:53] reosarevok: sure [15:35:03] i am a user and my language is set to zh-tw [15:35:23] all i would see today would be the zh-tw value, right? [15:35:30] yes [15:37:36] Denny_WMDE: then when this zh-tw user does some edits today, values are stored in zh-tw [15:37:45] then zh-cn users can't see it [15:38:13] but mw has the ability to convert zh-tw values (read it as zh values here) to zh-cn [15:38:22] sorry, i got disconnected [15:38:28] if you have said something i missed it [15:38:33] Denny_WMDE: then when this zh-tw user does some edits today, values are stored in zh-tw [15:38:39] then zh-cn users can't see it [15:38:43] but mw has the ability to convert zh-tw values (read it as zh values here) to zh-cn [15:39:29] ok. [15:39:36]