[00:41:35] can someone point me to an example use of a source? [00:42:59] it's not clear to me from http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Glossary#Reference how to add a source / reference [01:18:12] I tried editing Wikidata on my phone today [01:18:38] how'd it go? [01:18:39] It wasn't *that* hard, except I ran into an edit conflict and had to do everything again >.< [01:32:00] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q11086137 [01:32:03] Interesting. [01:32:41] I'm trying to add a reference to the claim the Q11086137 was an instance of terrorism [01:33:03] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#How_can_I_reference_a_claim_with_a_newspaper.3F [01:33:33] It is totally unclear how to add this most basic of sources [01:34:25] * legoktm looks [01:35:03] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties#Source_properties_.2F_Quellenangaben_.2F_Propri.C3.A9t.C3.A9s_pour_r.C3.A9f.C3.A9rences_.2F_.D0.98.D1.81.D1.82.D0.BE.D1.87.D0.BD.D0.B8.D0.BA.D0.B8.2C_.D1.81.D1.81.D1.8B.D0.BB.D0.BA.D0.B8 [01:35:03] So I think [01:35:32] You'd create a reference to "Stated in" --> New York Times, "Page"-->4 "Day"-->April 15, 2013 [01:35:40] except we dont have the time value datatype yet. [01:35:50] ah, stated in [01:35:53] thanks [01:36:05] mhm [01:36:09] Oh [01:36:15] * legoktm is just going to copy this convo to project chat [01:36:18] Actually, that doesn't work [01:36:24] Why not? [01:36:34] the source is not an item, it's a string [01:36:51] errr [01:36:57] can't you link to the item about the newspaper? [01:37:33] yes, but that's nowhere near sufficient [01:38:06] er why not? [01:38:11] how would the string differ? [01:38:57] It would be a URL [01:40:31] we dont have that datatype yet :x [10:06:27] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Replace incorrectly used asserts by exceptions" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59383 [10:18:31] New patchset: Henning Snater; "Removed __continueStopEditing flag" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59130 [10:31:28] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(bug 47158) make wgRateLimits apply to Wikibase." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59119 [10:42:40] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(bug 47125) Avoid redundant filtering in dispatcher." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59188 [11:21:05] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59383 [11:22:36] New patchset: Henning Snater; "Removed __continueStopEditing flag" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59130 [11:23:04] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58679 [11:26:39] New patchset: Aude; "Add more verbosity to dispatch changes" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58674 [11:27:46] DanielK_WMDE: can you please review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/58674/ (it's blocking me a bit from being able to review any dispatching changes stuff) [11:27:57] * aude can take a look at rate limits [11:40:05] Change merged: Daniel Kinzler; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58674 [11:47:37] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58674 [13:26:36] Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59119 [13:27:08] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "ChunkCache for speeding up dispatchChanges." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59388 [13:28:42] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(Bug 47125) ChunkCache for speeding up dispatchChanges." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59388 [13:31:02] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(bug 47125) Avoid redundant filtering in dispatcher." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59188 [13:31:16] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "rebased" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59188 [13:34:39] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(bug 47158) make wgRateLimits apply to Wikibase." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.22-wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59389 [13:36:58] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59188 [13:40:20] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "self-approving backport" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.22-wmf2); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59389 [13:40:22] Change merged: Daniel Kinzler; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.22-wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59389 [14:25:22] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/145.53.76.181&offset=&limit=500&target=145.53.76.181 <- oh boy.... [14:29:24] ... [14:29:42] never good when you see limit=500 [14:30:37] wait, multichill, what's the problem? [14:32:48] Moe_Epsilon: Creating a lot of profession articles on Wikipedia [14:33:26] * Moe_Epsilon looks [14:34:00] And these of course get deleted or reverted. Take for example https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q10866633 [14:34:48] The IP wrote "This ip mostly used by Michiel1972" on his talk page [14:37:01] what property should I use for the edition of a magazine? [14:39:18] there doesn't appear to be a property for that yet [14:39:24] * Moe_Epsilon looks through properties [14:41:36] Pyfisch: I don't think there's one you can use for magazine edition yet, you can go propose one if you like [14:41:49] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal [14:43:16] ok I will request it [14:43:21] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "Autosummary for setClaim" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58880 [14:46:29] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "Autosummary for setClaim" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58880 [14:52:41] Moe_Epsilon: done [14:52:52] :) [14:53:11] it may take a while, as you can tell from some of the other requests which are lingering [14:58:31] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove usage of removed ValueFormatter Result interface" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59404 [14:59:34] Moe_Epsilon: I know, it takes a while. please support ;-) [14:59:49] canvassing xD [15:03:02] New patchset: Henning Snater; "Remove direct use of _trigger from edittoolbar widget" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59408 [15:03:03] New patchset: Henning Snater; "Simplified toolbar definition" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59409 [15:03:03] New patchset: Henning Snater; "Added parent widget reference to edit "toolbar" options" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59410 [15:03:43] New patchset: Henning Snater; "Removed direct use of _trigger from edittoolbar widget" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59408 [15:03:57] yes :-) [15:37:22] New patchset: Henning Snater; "Simplified toolbar definition" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59409 [15:37:25] New patchset: Henning Snater; "Added parent widget reference to edit "toolbar" options" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59410 [15:37:36] New patchset: Henning Snater; "Added parent widget reference to edit "toolbar" options" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59410 [15:38:04] New patchset: Henning Snater; "Added parent widget reference to edit "toolbar" options" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59410 [15:40:29] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(Bug 47288) Abstraction layer for usage tracking." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59412 [15:40:31] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(Bug 47288) Use EntityUsageIndex on the client." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59413 [15:49:12] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(bug 41573) Add entities to watchlist." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/54704 [15:56:48] Change merged: Daniel Kinzler; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59404 [16:20:35] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(bug 47125) Avoid redundant filtering in dispatcher." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59188 [16:39:41] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Remove redundant bloat from API modules." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49862 [16:40:19] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "rebased/redone" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49862 [16:41:58] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "work in progress" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/55607 [16:42:23] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Add overview of dispatch states to DispatchStats." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58464 [16:45:44] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "(2 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59030 [16:51:30] legoktm: Cute bug in rewrite, you don't check if a bot is logged in [16:51:49] New patchset: Henning Snater; "Triggering "afterremove" on the widget managing the remove process" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59422 [16:58:22] New review: Nemo bis; "(2 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59030 [17:04:57] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "(2 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59030 [17:05:56] any dev around I can speak to? :) [17:11:25] if anyone pops up please ping me :) [17:21:42] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "(7 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58880 [17:31:32] what do you do if you proposed a property a week ago and there was no response either positive or negative? [17:38:40] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58880 [17:53:11] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(8 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: -2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58880 [17:59:52] can someone help me cloning the search-page from wikidta.org to my test-wiki? [18:10:50] legoktm: You around? [18:47:24] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(3 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/54704 [18:55:24] New review: Daniel Werner; "(2 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/54704 [20:19:16] if any devs pop up please ping me :) [20:23:39] my wikidata-test-system is blowing up the 30sec. php-max-execution-time... any ideas why it is so slow? [21:05:55] anyone here? [21:30:06] far from perfect, but here is my realtime-ish (updated every hour) view of bot activity on wikidata http://inkdroid.org/wikidata-bots/ [21:34:22] edsu: your missing addbot :< [21:34:53] addshore: you looking at the last hour? [21:34:55] oh no your not :P [21:34:58] :D [21:35:09] heh, yeah ... it's a bit confusing :) [21:35:44] looks nice :) [21:36:03] i wish i could hover over the line and see what bot it was [21:36:28] but that would require using an svg based graphing library i guess ; not canvas like this chart.js one i'm using [21:36:43] if you click on the bot name it ought to go to the user page btw [21:52:09] edsu: a chart of human activity would be nice [21:53:39] yee :p [21:53:44] edsu: do it ! :D [21:53:52] pretty please :D [22:21:30] is it possible to delete all wikidata-items permanently from the database? [22:22:30] probably [22:23:40] but why would one want to do that? :P [22:24:30] As a over dramatic May Fools jokr Addshore? :P [22:24:39] *joke [22:24:42] D: [22:48:10] edsu: I like wikistream :) [22:48:15] im gonna fork it soonI think ;p [22:48:51] unless you want to add more options to it ;p [22:48:54] for me :D [23:19:55] addshore: please do, feel free to send me pull requests [23:20:45] lbenedix1: would you want the human activity next to the bots? [23:20:57] yes [23:21:05] to see if skynet was started [23:21:36] edsu: I thnk things such as filter out a global username would be awesome :P [23:21:51] Id love to be able to see my bot like that currently :P [23:22:30] or me :P [23:23:38] addshore: not sure i follow [23:23:55] ie be able to enter "Addshore" and it only show edit by me :P [23:24:04] addshore: ahh, yeah [23:24:23] addshore: unfortunately i'd probably need to start running a db for that i think [23:24:33] how does it work so far? :P [23:24:35] addshore: at the moment it's a pretty simple/dumb little app [23:25:13] addshore: it uses a free (at the moment) web service called stathat.com which lets you collect itme series data [23:25:42] addshore: e.g. http://stath.at/sh/1ibVIe6LSdZAG6RL [23:26:15] thats for your graphs right? [23:26:15] * legoktm facepalms [23:26:25] everyone uses stathat :P [23:26:43] legoktm: I know :P [23:27:03] edsu: my stathat venture bots.wmflabs.org/~addshore/addbot/status [23:27:28] if i had the server to run things on, i'd probably use cube or i've used redis similarly in the past [23:27:46] i don't actually use stathat for the graphs, since they won't give you a graph with > 4 lines on it [23:28:05] so i just pull the data periodically out as csv and reformat it as json [23:28:26] e.g. http://inkdroid.org/wikidata-bots/stats/hour.json [23:28:48] and use chart.js, which seemed ok, not ideal really [23:29:01] anyway edsu I was talking about wikistream anyway ;p [23:29:04] the whole thing was just a proof of concept to figure out who to invite to the bot meeting [23:29:12] addshore: oh, hahah [23:29:19] addshore: wikistream has no database at all [23:29:26] exactly ;p [23:30:05] i did create the wikichanges nodejs library if you want an easy way to monitor changes on wikipedia and push them into a database [23:30:33] it's what i used for the wikidata-bots thing, and others [23:30:58] https://github.com/edsu/wikichanges [23:32:37] edsu: rekon it is capable of monitoring all 260ish langs without breaking? :P [23:39:27] addshore: no doubt, redis can too, easily [23:39:47] i may end up using your script a lot then ;p [23:39:56] addshore: i just don't feel like running a service like that if i don't have to, might like to use it in the labs environment though [23:40:15] addshore: please do, i have no plans to implement any of your ideas :) [23:40:24] mehehe :P [23:40:52] or i might just take your structure and do it in a different language ;p [23:42:47] addshore: please do :) [23:43:18] addshore: node is quite nice for holding open lots of tcp/ip connections and acting on them, but there are definitely other ways of doing that