[00:10:55] legoktm: I know :P [00:11:01] PiRSquared: seems to spot everything :P [00:11:17] even worse than you seeming to review every edit I make legoktm [00:11:30] hahaha [00:12:01] * addshore goes to read [00:12:27] and on another note, look, i got a barnstar! http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%86%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%B4_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%AE%D8%AF%D9%85:Addshore [00:14:39] hmm, does anyone know where the corsswiki translations are stored for the namespaces.? [00:15:28] Hmmmmm [00:16:45] addshore: I think that you can associate them by their namespace number [00:16:55] Tho I'm trying to find a "list", if such a thing exists [00:17:29] hmmm [00:17:33] not sure that would work [00:18:43] I would have to check both ways.. i.e. on enwiki a link to arwiki could use the ar translated namespace or english, and i guess the link could also use either on wikidata..? [00:18:43] or does wikidata automaticly detect namespace and swap it out depending upon the language you are viewing wikidata in? [00:20:58] well it doesnt seem to do the latter :P [00:23:47] * addshore wonders if he should make his bot attempt to add some links to wd [00:31:53] ehm [00:31:58] addshore: We'd hopwe [00:32:00] lol [00:34:25] addshore: still trying to find a thing :@ [00:44:37] addshore: meh [01:00:36] @seen Hazard-SJ [01:00:41] wm-bot: [01:00:45] @seen on [01:00:49] @seen-on [01:00:50] Permission denied [01:00:58] You are unknown to me :) [01:01:00] @trustlist [01:01:03] erm [01:01:05] Type @commands for list of commands. This bot is running http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WM-Bot version wikimedia bot v. 1.10.6.8 source code licensed under GPL and located at https://github.com/benapetr/wikimedia-bot [01:01:40] @trusted [01:01:40] I trust: .*@wikimedia/IWorld (2admin), .*@quassel\.jefferai\.org (2admin), .*@unaffiliated/jeroendedauw (2admin), [01:01:50] JeroenDeDauw: ping [01:02:24] Could you turn on the seen feature? its "@seen-on" [01:03:26] @seen-on [01:03:26] Seen is now enabled in the channel [01:03:37] @seen legoktm [01:03:37] JeroenDeDauw: legoktm is in here, right now [01:03:43] onoez! [01:03:56] @seen Lydia_WMDE [01:03:56] JeroenDeDauw: Lydia_WMDE is in here, right now [01:04:04] @seen Danwe_WMDE [01:04:04] JeroenDeDauw: Last time I saw Danwe_WMDE they were quitting the network with reason: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931] N/A at 4/5/2013 12:46:42 AM (2.00:17:21.6348270 ago) [01:04:29] 2.00:17:21.6348270 ago ??? lol [01:05:04] tahnks :D [01:05:06] thanks* [01:05:10] @seen Hazard-SJ [01:05:10] legoktm: Last time I saw Hazard-SJ they were quitting the network with reason: Quit: Ping timeout: 1 second N/A at 4/4/2013 4:08:22 AM (2.20:56:48.0666340 ago) [01:05:37] also [01:05:43] maybe we can add more users as trusted? [01:05:47] so we can add things to the infobox [01:05:51] infobot* [01:06:08] !merge is https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Merge [01:06:08] You are not authorized to perform this, sorry [01:11:35] JeroenDeDauw: thoughts on adding more trusted users? in #mediawiki i think its anyone with a wmf cloak can control the bot [01:13:28] legoktm: if you get me the command for that [01:13:38] heh [01:13:41] give me a sec [01:13:46] We already have all the commands we need though [01:13:47] !nyan [01:13:48] ~=[,,_,,]:3 [01:13:50] !nyandata [01:13:50] https://bit.ly/nyandata [01:13:52] see [01:14:04] LOL [01:14:23] @trustadd .*@wikipedia/.* [01:14:23] You are not authorized to perform this, sorry [01:14:28] @trustadd .*@wikimedia/.* [01:14:33] @trustadd .*@mediawiki/.* [01:14:37] @trustadd .*@wikidata/.* [01:14:41] oh wait [01:14:47] add the word "trusted" after all of those [01:30:27] * wctaiwan throws a large hard hat at Jasper_Deng [01:30:32] * wctaiwan makes a quick escape [01:31:47] !logs [01:31:47] http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/ [01:38:57] JeroenDeDauw: Party all night long? [01:43:31] And then bpywiki is over one day! [01:43:35] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:DispatchStats [01:46:48] New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "Fixes problem with items that have no sitelinks as reported in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:WikibaseClient/Lua#Troble_while_accessing_personalia" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57903 [01:46:50] fluctuates over 4-5 minutes, thats about as expected [01:52:04] jeblad: doh [01:52:58] lolwat [01:53:05] those stats make me sad [01:53:08] seriously, wtf [01:55:52] I wonder if we drowe the jobqueue very close to what it can handle, and then even small changes to normal jobs makes it explode [01:56:37] And now people are starting to mess with templates because of the new property stuff [03:21:29] addshore: hi [03:22:09] Do you need a list of translated namespaces? [03:22:26] yes :D [03:27:48] addshore: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ignatus/Namespace_map [03:28:02] Now give me a stroopwafel. [03:39:51] addshore: is it now up-to-date enough for you? [03:40:07] I might be able to find a more up-to-date list if needed [03:40:19] *is it not up-to-date enough for you [04:09:49] addshore: https://github.com/Gelma/LugMap/blob/master/script/WiMegera/family.py [04:10:08] Doesn't have aliases... [04:10:11] * Jasper_Deng thinks PiRSquared should run for admin on WD [05:17:35] Is there a place to request undeletions yet? [05:18:27] superm401: if it's simple enough, ask here, if not, go to admin noticeboard [05:19:11] Jasper_Deng, thanks, will do. [05:19:12] I'd rather do that kind of thing on wiki. [05:24:23] Never mind, it seems it was a duplicate (although that is not the cited reason for deletion). [07:20:07] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57464 [07:20:38] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57465 [07:36:47] * addshore smiles [08:06:15] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Cleanup of DataType related formatting code" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57466 [08:08:39] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Cleanup of DataType related formatting code" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57466 [09:08:10] hi [09:09:43] wouldn't it be better to abendon the 'preceded by'-property and replace it by only using 'followed by'-property on the other item and create and automatic back reference? [09:11:02] right now we create a huge redundancy by using both [09:12:39] musicbrainz uses a simmliar logic for such stuff [09:19:04] Schisma_: not sure if there was already discussion about it but if not then bring it up on the project chat page? :) [12:01:33] New patchset: Aude; "Remove unused site link params from set label, desc, aliases" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57912 [12:51:26] New patchset: Aude; "Use prefixed entity id in api example" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57914 [12:52:20] New patchset: Aude; "Use prefixed entity id in api example" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57914 [13:26:08] mhm, the translate extension has been updated? [13:26:26] the layout is really different then that from a few days ago [13:26:42] Change abandoned: Aude; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57912 [13:36:59] Change restored: Aude; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57912 [13:37:10] New patchset: Aude; "Improve descriptions and examples in set label & description api modules" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57912 [13:38:24] New patchset: Aude; "Improve descriptions and examples in set label & description api modules" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57912 [13:43:44] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Cleanup of DataType related formatting code" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57466 [13:45:37] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57914 [13:46:24] aude: you want to merge https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/57466/ so my merge led starts blinking! [13:47:53] heh [13:48:22] Lydia_WMDE: http://i.imgur.com/BGXgUpf.jpg [13:48:48] aude: ^^ [13:48:54] jeremyb-phone: mean! mean! mean! [13:48:55] :P [13:49:06] where is that? [13:49:12] * aude freezing [13:49:31] well, actually it's not bad today :) [13:49:33] Brooklyn! [13:49:56] aude: see Lydia's mail on list [13:50:19] jeremyb-phone: hmm? [13:50:21] which one? [13:50:27] labs-l [13:50:53] > Thanks and greetings from a sort of spring-like Berlin (+8°C!!!!!), [13:51:06] ohh [13:51:09] that was from silke [13:51:10] :D [13:51:17] errrrr [13:51:25] sorrrrrrrrry [13:51:31] heh :D [13:51:31] still half asleep here [13:51:34] ;-) [13:51:34] np [13:51:47] jeremyb-phone: to make up for it be a dear and invent a teleporter? [13:51:49] :P [13:51:52] it's been not bad for the past month or so :) [13:52:00] e.g. sunny, most of the time [13:52:31] I've been asking for one for a while. just ask Fluffernutter [13:52:46] * Lydia_WMDE goes back to her spanish homework then and continues to hope [13:52:52] :) [13:53:04] what, silke's not even here?? [13:53:17] it's le weekend [13:53:22] we should all not be here ;-) [13:53:35] well then why is she sending mail? [13:53:51] same reason we are here i guess -.- [13:53:52] :P [13:57:33] * jeremyb_ waves from real computer [14:05:45] Isn't it illegal to work on sundays in germany? [14:08:34] * Moe_Epsilon arrests Vogone for working on Wikidata on Sunday [14:31:35] I am banned on http://wikidata-dev-repo.wikimedia.de [14:32:03] lbenedix: Banned? [14:32:38] http://wikidata-dev-repo.wikimedia.de/wiki/Special:BlockList [14:33:38] http://lbenedix.monoceres.uberspace.de/screenshots/nbzp2bwn2t_(2013-04-07_16.33.27).png [14:34:27] btw: is there any explanation how to edit the sources? [14:35:00] lbenedix: Which sources? The extension? [14:35:10] the Wikidata-Sources-thing [14:35:16] [add source] [14:35:19] Oh :P [14:35:38] Btw, the messages are wrong... actually you're not blocked, you just need to log in on that wiki :P [14:35:51] ah, the dev repo is back :) [14:35:59] anon-edits are deactivated? [14:36:05] Yep [14:36:09] lbenedix: due to spam, yes [14:36:14] that is strange for a system that is deleted every 20min [14:36:23] I think there is (was?) a test user freely available [14:36:42] * lbenedix writes a spambot that uses this testuser [14:36:51] :P [14:36:58] lbenedix: It's nto deleted every 20 minutes, but updated AFAIR [14:37:05] http://wikidata-test-repo.wikimedia.de/ [14:37:11] that's the one that's meant for testing [14:38:09] but the dev repo is more up to date [14:38:48] I found a strange thing when testing statements: http://lbenedix.monoceres.uberspace.de/minigal/photos/by59241zz9_(2013-04-07_16.22.13).png [14:39:19] lbenedix: Some types just don't work yet [14:39:19] huh [14:39:37] I can enter 'Atomic number': 'Aluminium' [14:39:52] ok, but not save? [14:40:10] http://lbenedix.monoceres.uberspace.de/mediawiki/index.php?title=Item:Q4 [14:41:14] * lbenedix thinks numbers are thinks that matches the regex [0-9]* [14:41:15] works for me [14:41:22] yes because atomic number is set up as an item [14:41:25] * aude might not understand [14:41:33] and not a number [14:41:34] oh, adding numbers [14:41:40] not supported yet or experimental [14:41:45] atomic numbers are not numbers??? [14:41:48] they are [14:41:54] but not on the test system [14:42:00] right [14:42:29] you'd need to amke a property with number data type [14:42:30] make [14:43:05] nobody is able to understand this [14:43:38] lbenedix: it's really just a bad setup because number as a data type wasn't available [14:43:41] which looks not implemented yet, even experimental [14:44:03] there is no property called 'atomic number' on wikidata.org [14:44:07] no, i see quantity [14:44:24] lbenedix: right, it's probably waiting for the data type [14:44:24] yes because number as a data type isn't available yet [14:44:54] * lbenedix thinks there should be any hint for users if they want to enter unsupported things (see my last mail on the wikidata-mailinglist) [14:45:39] ok, i can make a property of quantity data type but [14:45:55] can't use it in a statement via the UI ("Handling of values for "Quantity" data type is not yet supported.") [14:46:00] * aude not sure about the api [14:46:08] btw. are you currently working on the UI, or only adding new features to wikidata? [14:46:14] trying to improve documentation of the api [14:46:48] lbenedix: both (team working on both) [14:50:43] is there any documentation and discussion about the design process? [14:56:18] lbenedix: not sure i'm best to answer, but http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development has most of the documentation or notes [16:11:12] Hahc21: Gracias :) [16:11:42] De nada :) [16:11:48] Y bienvenido a Wikidata ^^ [16:12:04] En realidad siempre me he sentido parte :) [16:12:12] Aw, mejor aun :D [16:12:22] Si necesitas algo, me dices ^^ [16:12:52] Pues sí que me van surgiendo dudas o ideas descabelladas de vez en cuando, Hahc21 [16:13:11] jeje [16:13:17] Las puedes comentar conmigo xD [16:13:25] A ver si tambien las tengo jaja [16:13:45] Pues... vale :) Tú lo has querido... [16:14:00] Ahora mismo estoy dando vueltas al tema de las efemérides [16:14:13] A raíz de una charla con MadriCR hace un par de horas [16:16:23] Oh [16:16:24] Por cierto [16:16:35] Viste la propuesta de nueav p�gina principal para wikinoticias? [16:16:43] He leído algo en algún sitio [16:16:58] Creo que pasé por el Café [16:17:58] http://es.wikinews.org/wiki/Usuario:Hahc21/Main [16:18:08] Sí, estoy viendo [16:19:31] Pues tiene buena pinta, pero ya es decisión de los más implicados en el proyecto :) [16:28:38] jeje [16:28:42] Pues al parecer les gusta [16:28:43] :) [16:34:57] Sí :) [16:52:15] will Wikidata be used for interlanguage links on Wiktionary? [16:57:47] LA2: eventually [16:57:52] there's a page about it [16:58:01] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary [16:58:33] also see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary_future [17:19:01] legoktm: thanks. Does that page say that Wikidata relies on the coincidence that "William Shakespeare" in Wikipedia happens to be the same person as "William Shakespeare" in Wikiquote? [17:19:26] Not sure, I actually haven't had the time to look at what the plan is for sister projects [17:20:08] apparently, bots are still creating new interwiki links for Wiktionary, and none have been moved to Wikidata yet. [17:20:20] is this the same for all sister projects? [17:20:38] yes [17:20:45] wikidata only supports wikipedias right now [17:21:16] so maybe Wikiquote is first in line, and Wiktionary can be dealt with later? [17:21:28] not sure [17:21:43] i think there is a quote property though... [17:22:01] oh no, thats for references [17:24:41] is Wikidata incorporating interwiki links for categories and project pages, e.g. Wikipedia:Village_pump ? [17:25:17] apparently, yes, http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16503 [17:25:54] however, on en.wikisource, that is Wikisource:Scriptorium and not "Wikipedia:Village_pump" [17:31:00] right [17:31:04] so that would be a different item [17:34:11] but Category:Sweden would supposedly be the same item? [17:34:18] across sister projects? [17:35:38] i dont think so? [17:35:42] not sure how that would work [18:14:02] Lydia_WMDE: Wanted to get some clear idea about what Wikidata is? [18:16:33] saheb: have you read https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Introduction ? [18:16:52] yeah I did [18:21:34] saheb: what's unclear? [18:22:25] how do you actually collect structure data? I mean how do you build the data for Wikidata? [18:26:25] Hahc21: Hi [18:26:30] I saw your task force [18:26:45] Hahc21 has a task force? [18:26:53] created [18:27:14] Let me reword that then - Hahc21 created a task force? [18:27:31] could say so ;) [18:27:53] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Video_games_task_force [18:30:14] Is sven about? [18:31:41] I just questioned Hahc21 to hell about it in query (one would say) [18:31:47] ^ benestar [18:33:34] guerillero: dont think so, he was on last night iirc [18:33:35] ok [18:33:52] I have a WD policy question for him [18:38:24] benestar: Yes, I have a task force :D [18:38:34] I asked Sven to join [18:38:52] Hahc21: any wikipedia categories or so to work on? [18:38:56] or any other list of items? [18:39:05] Yes [18:39:20] I got lego helping me with the 'XXXX video games' ones right now [18:39:37] and have the pages ready to add them [18:39:58] * legoktm is at 2007 [18:40:10] yay [18:40:38] * guerillero points out he started the 2nd task force [18:40:51] i feel old now [18:41:14] haha [18:41:35] benestar: I still have to make the list with the category 'Video game companies by country' [18:41:39] and then [18:41:43] 'Video game characters' [18:41:46] and then [18:41:50] 'Game engines' [18:41:52] heh [18:42:05] any tasks for bots? [18:42:14] those tree [18:42:17] are awaiting xD [18:42:49] btw benestar i had an idea [18:42:59] legoktm: tell me;) [18:43:02] you know how you got people to translate the labels before adding them right? [18:43:21] what if we had a page like Wikidata:Labels or something [18:43:28] and then had subpages for each "label" [18:43:47] so like if the label was 'town in Illinois" it would be Wikidata:Labels/town-in-illinois or something [18:43:54] and it would be a translatable page [18:43:59] so people could translate it [18:44:10] legoktm: like in the MediaWiki namespace? [18:44:16] then once we had 5 or so translations, a bot would run over the category [18:44:17] but we have a gadget [18:44:22] that shows you all the labels [18:44:25] I don't think the developers will implement that... [18:44:31] and you can easily add and translate labels [18:44:36] benestar: no, it would have to be done by bot [18:44:40] so it would be a bot's task [18:44:59] {{ec}} ;) [18:45:00] 10[28] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:ec [18:45:12] anyways, so then there would be a db on toolserver or wmflabs that linked item <--> label group [18:45:19] so that when a few more translations are added [18:45:26] the bot would re-run over those pages and add the missing labels [18:45:42] legoktm: sounds good [18:45:59] but I the database should be accessable from labs, too :P [18:46:16] right, its probably just easier to have it on labs [18:47:12] hehe [18:47:45] i can poke coren later to create a new project for it [18:47:49] "wdlabels"? [18:48:36] legoktm: maybe ask the devs if they have a better idea? [18:48:42] i did [18:48:45] like 2 months ago [18:48:48] lemme find the bugzilla bug [18:48:52] what did they say? [18:49:13] nothing :( [18:49:14] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45093 [18:51:09] :P [18:51:13] Lydia_WMDE: around? [18:51:22] benestar: yes [18:51:26] wasup? [18:51:45] legoktm and I thought about how we could improve the translations of labels [18:52:09] ok [18:52:33] we thought to create a database on labs and save lists of items with the same label / description [18:52:48] and then update them if some translations are availabel by bot [18:53:13] Lydia_WMDE: would there be an easier way through the extension like by MediaWiki messages? [18:53:26] uff that's a big question :D [18:53:29] i don't know [18:53:35] i'd have to talk with the team [18:53:40] i see them again on tuesday [18:54:07] that'd be great :) [18:54:19] ok [18:54:35] i'll ask - if you don't hear back by wednesday poke me again please [18:54:43] ok, thanks [18:55:33] np [19:00:00] I hate how we can't copy and paste the interwiki links. Like if I want to paste the linked article name; it goes like http://puu.sh/2vMfo [19:00:12] er [19:00:19] thats a gadget you have enabled [19:00:47] Oh haha. [19:03:22] Hahc21: 1990 http://dpaste.de/HnwvI/raw/ [19:03:49] hi [19:04:06] Hahc21: 1991 http://dpaste.de/UO6zB/raw/ [19:04:12] anyone can help me? [19:04:44] 1992 http://dpaste.de/UKwwU/raw/ [19:04:48] Kizar: what do you need help with? [19:05:28] I want to add administrative divisions in cities of Spain [19:05:35] but I'm so confussed... [19:06:03] do you know a good example to show me? [19:06:35] are you trying to add statements? [19:06:48] yes [19:07:20] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1492 [19:08:15] the values in propiety "is in the administrative unit" don't have the correct order [19:08:29] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4768543 -- Someone in #wikipedia-en says delete it as a wrong new entry. Just doing this to prompt it to the admins. [19:09:57] Kizar: sorry im busy atm, maybe someone else in here can help [19:10:04] oh [19:10:06] order doesnt matter [19:10:11] its completely arbitrary [19:10:52] but howHow will I get the data in Wikipedia if no order? [19:11:29] im not sure how thats handled, maybe Lydia_WMDE knows? :) [19:11:55] Ok, thanks anyway [19:13:01] I will wait for other answers [19:13:17] Kizar: it isn't possible yet - you get the whole list with the parser function [19:13:31] with lua you might be able to sort it in the way you want but not entirely sure how to do it [19:14:07] pufff [19:14:24] I think it's impossible with the actual system [19:16:34] I will not add that statement until I'm sure it will work. [19:16:47] qualifiers can solve this problem [19:56:53] Hahc21: http://dpaste.de/b6hWb/raw/ list of articles without a wikidata item [19:57:11] ill try and run my bot over that later today [19:57:19] ok [19:57:22] thankyou [19:57:48] and gonna upload the other ones right now [19:58:24] are you saving the labels for each languae separate? For many things the label is the same over a lot of languages: https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetentities&ids=Q9696&format=jsonfm [19:58:26] okay :D [19:58:59] lbenedix: if youre asking about wikidata, yes [19:59:28] Hahc21: http://bots.wmflabs.org/~legoktm/vg_lists/ [19:59:36] sounds like a lot of duplicate data... [19:59:47] yay [20:03:10] lbenedix: sometimes [20:03:56] legoktm: look that cha forgot https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata%3AVideo_games_task_force%2FArticles_without_items&diff=22421006&oldid=22418536 [20:03:58] xD [20:04:16] ah sorry [20:04:22] np :P [20:07:06] is there a list of all wikidata related bugzilla entries? [20:07:13] yeah [20:07:16] I can't find the link [20:07:25] just use the wikibaserepo/client components [20:07:27] lemme see [20:07:56] do you want just open ones? [20:08:04] I'm actually interested in usability related bugs [20:08:24] but all open should be a good start [20:08:36]