[01:38:29] argh, its slowish again [01:39:59] yeah it's better now [02:35:37] wow, anyone want to see an amazing message on my talk page? :O >> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=548922623&oldid=548826825 [02:35:49] pfft [02:36:26] it is actually such an amazing message I am not sure how to respond.. [02:36:36] grr [02:39:41] 12.5 millionish to go :) [02:59:45] addshore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Steeldragon7 [03:00:06] >.>< [03:00:16] well [03:00:39] o.o [03:00:59] toolserver's crap tonight [03:01:50] how bad would it be if we just rollbacked him? [03:01:57] i already have :P [03:02:01] lol [03:02:14] enwiki's his only wiki [03:02:43] * Moe_Epsilon has reverted an edit of his [03:02:49] wikidata isn't simply going to go away lol [03:03:39] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Wikidata_phase_2_is_coming_soon [03:03:46] there's opposition on enwiki [03:04:36] cheers for spoting that Moe_Epsilon ! [03:05:15] rschen7754: change confuses people :P [03:05:45] Moe_Epsilon: did you ever take a look at my talk page when I started removing links from en? :P [03:06:27] no, I missed the fun [03:06:28] :P [03:06:49] lemme guess "wtf is this wikidata thing you speak of?" [03:07:14] X 50 [03:08:05] haha, it was mainly just people thought my bot has gone mental deleting things at will :P [03:31:09] * Riley shoots addshore for edit conflicting him [03:31:20] sorry ;p [03:31:43] you did it like 6 times in a row.. [03:32:16] * Moe_Epsilon replaces Riley's firearm with an airsoft gun and walks off [03:32:38] Hehe [03:33:31] I wish I had my lines numbered when editing :/ [05:51:15] omg [05:51:18] i never realized [05:51:29] how many soccer (football) players there were [05:52:38] a lot [05:53:34] well [05:53:51] im running a script that adds the teams they played for into wikidata [05:54:01] and it looks like itll be running overnight [05:54:05] lol.. [05:54:08] yep [05:55:54] already has 40k players parsed and in the database [09:29:18] anyone want to fix some labels? http://dpaste.de/OPDrr/raw/ [10:48:46] anyone here wanting to translate some descriptions? [10:48:53] see here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bot_requests#Gujarati_Wikipedia_:_description_adding [10:53:02] lukas23: hi :D [10:53:37] hey benestar :D [10:58:33] Lydia_WMDE: around? [10:58:43] benestar: yes [10:58:43] hey [10:58:47] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/BeneBot* [10:58:54] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/BeneBot*?abc [10:59:23] Lydia_WMDE: for item (Q2721523) ‎ there is two times the (current) marker ... [10:59:31] looking [10:59:53] and rollback isn't on the right position, too xD [11:00:13] i just have one current [11:00:23] on the one before the latest [11:00:29] oh, you're right [11:00:40] but the one is one step down [11:00:48] do you see? [11:00:57] yes [11:01:00] looking into it [11:02:03] benestar: when you go to the diffs of the first two there is also a difference [11:02:15] the one marked as current says latest [11:02:20] latest revision [11:02:32] i filed that bug a long time ago [11:02:36] it might just be that mediawiki isn't entirely clever about edits being done in the same second or so? [11:02:39] lemme find it [11:02:49] benestar: might be editing to fast :D [11:02:59] lol [11:02:59] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44841 [11:03:04] legoktm: thanks [11:03:13] np [11:03:13] i think timestamp is used to determine latest [11:03:18] aude: by the way, nice to see you :) [11:03:37] aude: I tried to start with the Special:SetStatement thing [11:03:54] might not always be most accurate if edits are too quick [11:04:02] benestar: cool! [11:04:13] aude: but also quite hard [11:04:18] * aude nods [11:04:29] I don't know how to manage that one property can have several values [11:04:43] maybe we should wait until we have qualifiers? [11:04:59] maybe.... [11:05:02] those are experimental [11:05:08] but implemented [11:05:10] but they will come [11:05:19] yep [11:05:49] aude: maybe we should have a special page like add value to statement? [11:07:44] could work [11:10:13] * aude spot a bug :( [11:10:24] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P37 seems stuck in edit alias mode [12:32:15] aude: Do you know if there is a parser function to test if a Wikidata item exists? [12:33:26] {{#if:||[[Category:Pages without a wikidata item]]}} [12:33:27] 04[1] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Category:Pages_without_a_wikidata_item [12:33:42] ooh [12:33:44] smart [12:33:55] makes sure you filter by namespace too [12:34:26] Makes it easier for me to kill https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sjabloon:Geen_interwiki [12:34:30] (no interwiki) [12:35:09] hi [12:36:18] I am not awara of such function, but should be easy to create [12:36:28] Romaine: So Romaine. I was thinking about how to start using the Commons category link property on (the Dutch) Wikipedia [12:36:49] We have several things to hash into it: [12:37:01] * Does a WIkidata item exist (no parser funtion yet) [12:37:31] * Does P373 exist? [12:37:58] * Do we have a local variable [12:38:05] * Pagename (local fallback) [12:38:40] In the end each template should just be {{Commonscat}} with the link from Wikidata [12:38:40] 04[2] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Commonscat [12:39:41] I think we should also think of having a template for every page at the bottom, which automatically checks for Commons, etc on Wikidata (in future) [12:39:57] also place for VIAF and other database links [12:40:05] That would be a next step [12:40:22] hey Ajraddatz [12:40:24] long time no see [12:40:26] hello [12:40:33] Commonscat is by far the most used so I would first like to get that cleaned up [12:41:07] Yeah, life keeps me busy :( [12:42:00] perhaps just the template {{Wikidata)} placing on articles/categories would be enough for having a whole series of stuff that shows up [12:42:13] Commonscat on articles can then be replaced by {{Wikidat)} [12:44:47] phase 2 is not yet active on nl-wiki I think, so we have to wait, but I think it souds greT [12:46:17] I don't want to change any layout [12:46:23] its not that much in the next roll-out [12:46:56] This is about data, if we start changing layouts, people will start complaining about it and connect it with Wikidata [12:47:02] I don't want that to happen [12:48:02] So my goal is to move the data and update the template. If people than decide that they can use the data in a smarter or better looking way, it's up to them [12:50:48] I was not intenting to change lay-out [12:51:48] the Commons bar can still look the same even when it is inside the new Wikidata template [12:52:49] We should create a better template solution, but using that is up to the individual communities [12:55:05] Tpt_: poke [12:55:36] benestar: Yes? [12:55:59] Tpt_: you're php framework seems not To work with languages like gu and hi [12:56:19] dunno why, but I get an HTTP 417 error [12:56:29] With a message? [12:56:35] no [12:57:39] benestar: Strange. [12:57:50] that's exactly what I am thinking [12:58:36] it's, I believe, encoding problem. [12:58:48] I think so, too [13:05:55] Romaine: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_sjabloon:Commonscat#Wikidata [13:06:22] Tpt_: very strange, it works if I only edit this two languages [13:07:14] als je categorie�n neemt, plaats er aub Wikipedia: tussen, het zijn immers geen cats voor gewone artikelen maar beheercats [13:07:50] oh ja [13:09:01] * multichill heeft het aangepast [13:09:15] benestar: Very strange, yes. [13:09:44] benestar: You can reproduce the bug? [13:09:58] :) [13:10:04] ik heb gezegd dat ik het prima vindt [13:10:23] Tpt_: I am not sure if it is because one of the languages [13:10:43] is there a maximum of descriptoins that can be set? [13:11:31] *at once [13:12:55] benestar: I don't know. [13:13:12] ik ben een beetje terughoudend met de toepassing van Wikidata, maar hier zie ik zeker de voordelen van [13:13:17] well, actually I don't think so but I am not sure [13:15:07] Ja, kleine stapjes zetten en kijken hoe dat gaat. Van de nlw halen we ongeveer 150.000 links af. Dat is 10% van de artikelen terwijl het ook op een hoop cats zit [13:17:32] :) [13:19:44] stonden de Commonscatjes al op Wikidata? [13:21:00] Ik zit iets over de helft nu [13:21:38] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Popular_properties zegt iets van 86K [13:25:13] ah ik zie het, ik had er nog geen voorbeeld van gezien [13:25:15] * legoktm was pinged [13:25:36] mooi dat het er al zo veel zijn :) [13:40:38] is there any documentation for the wikidata api? [13:40:47] well [13:40:48] kinda [13:41:01] autogenerated https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php? [13:41:20] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wikibase/API is horribly out of date [13:41:25] lbenedix: Special:ApiSandbox [13:41:37] * lbenedix loves outdated documentation [13:41:44] xD [13:41:48] autogenerated will be up to date though [13:43:36] is it possible to speak to this api via Javascript? [13:45:22] A friend of mine wants to write a web-app for maintaining labels, descriptions and other things that are missing in most languages but english [13:45:53] yes [13:45:55] of course [13:46:10] the problem is authentication really [13:47:09] is it possible to generate accounts for something like this? [13:47:21] or api-keys? [13:48:07] nope [13:48:19] OAuth is the eventual plan [13:48:25] every user must have a wikidata-account on its own? [13:48:35] yup [13:48:38] that sucks [13:48:48] yup [13:48:57] i was planning to work on a TS tool that [13:49:07] TS? [13:49:26] it let you find items that had one of the following (or all) languages, but didnt have any of the other languages you entered [13:49:28] toolserver [13:49:59] that is exactly what the friend of mine is planning... [13:50:01] damn [13:50:47] i never got time to do that so.. [13:50:50] you enter the languages you speak and get random items that have >= one of them but missing >=1 [13:52:38] Well, as the one that wrote the docs for the API, feel free to augment it [13:53:05] its not possible to register accounts like "mysupercoolapp_0" to "mysupercoolapp_10000"? [13:53:32] Some of the ocs are better than the actual API.. ;p [13:54:05] Why would you do something like that? [13:54:18] lbenedix: no, that's not a good idea... [13:54:40] Accounts should be personal, but yes it is possible [13:55:00] thats not the issue [13:55:09] to get people to actually maintain wikidata and translate labels and other data [13:55:17] But you would probably be blocked when you try to do it [13:55:23] lbenedix: you need a way to authenticate a user with his wikidata account without getting his password [13:55:29] to toolserver has used TUSC in the past [13:55:40] https://toolserver.org/~magnus/tusc.php [13:56:45] are there any pland to open the wikidata api? [13:56:49] planns [13:56:52] plans [13:56:57] open? [13:57:27] nobody wants to create an account and enter passwords anywhere [13:57:41] for example in a wikidata-translate-app [13:57:54] oh [13:57:55] where you get labels to translate [13:57:58] An app on Wikipedia? [13:57:59] that will be taken care of soon [13:58:02] with OAuth [13:58:10] it's supposed to be coming soon [13:58:12] supposedly [13:59:00] any idea when OAuth is comming? [13:59:07] From where should this app run? [13:59:18] my grandmothers iphone [13:59:57] she speaks 4 languages but wont buy a 'real' computer [14:00:20] You want a phone add for translating? Someone entering translated strings on a phone? [14:00:36] or an ipad or whatever [14:00:45] Hehe.. XD [14:00:55] a simple to use website [14:01:12] Oki, you can create an account through API requests [14:01:42] And make it use CentralAuth [14:02:00] Then you have one acount for all projects [14:02:31] In a app you can ask for a user name and autogenerate the password [14:02:57] the username could be automatically generated? [14:03:14] You can even autogenerate the user name or use the phone number [14:03:23] or will accounts like translate-app-HASH be deleted? [14:03:33] Yes, but nobody likes weird user names [14:03:52] but nobody wants his phonenumber on the internet either [14:04:10] use names like "john-123" [14:05:10] Provide a generated user name to the user of the app and let her override it [14:05:44] The real name should be available, just permute it somehow [14:06:32] "johndoe_"+md5(phoneNumber) [14:07:03] But in general, using apps to make game-like interactions in wikidata is a nice way to increase the quality [14:07:37] that is our assumption [14:07:52] "john"+birthyear or something [14:07:55] there could be some social-stuff... top lists and challenges [14:08:49] Remember that omeone might have to type those pesky user names [14:09:18] why should someone type this usernames anywhere? [14:09:30] jeblad-sleep: talking while sleeping? xD [14:09:42] Because someone does something stupid and needs blocking [14:10:13] * lbenedix thinks there was this thing.... copy and paste [14:10:24] * jeblad walks over to benestar and kicks his ass while sleeping [14:10:34] * benestar hides [14:11:02] btw...I printed a scale for my hardware Wikidate-edits/min-Meter: http://lbenedix.monoceres.uberspace.de/cam/ [14:11:26] Remember that someone has to use the real site and they might have no understanding whatsoever about your nice phone app [14:12:43] what do you mean? that someone sees 100 edits from "johndoe_0208604c9113b56fbfede6f2c822fe86" and than what? [14:13:50] lbenedix: One additional thin, keep in mind that 2/3 of the things to do shuld be verifying known information while 1/3 should be unknown. Only when the known information is correct should the unknown be accepted as new known infoermation. [14:14:37] Check out how captchas are used to verify translations of old books. [14:15:24] right [14:15:31] If johndoe_0208604c9113b56fbfede6f2c822fe86 is blocked due to vandalism all johndoe_* would probably be blocked to on asumption they are the same [14:15:57] I would do that! Muahahaha.. [14:16:31] and if the admins know about the autogenerated usernames and that every johndoe is unique [14:19:58] not true [14:20:06] you can just create a new account [14:26:47] Make sure that the username is unique both for the system and for the reader that sees the name in the recent changes [14:27:54] Autogenerated user names that are very similar to each other is bad, try to avoid it [14:28:22] hi anjeve! [14:46:05] New patchset: Aude; "Make sure to show edit link if no interwiki links, but page is connected" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57843 [14:49:37] !admin please block https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/99.141.226.126 if they continue [14:49:46] hi looking [14:49:55] Vacation9: gave him a warning [14:50:04] benestar: okay [14:50:22] oh legoktm blocked [14:50:32] waaaa [14:50:34] legoktm: :P [14:50:38] i thought that warning was from earlier [14:50:39] does not matter [14:50:46] 16:50, 6 April 2013 Sannita (A) (talk | contribs | block) blocked 99.141.226.126 (talk) (anonymous users only, account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) with an expiry time of 31 hours (Removing content from pages) (unblock | change block) [14:50:47] 16:50, 6 April 2013 Legoktm (A) (talk | contribs | block) blocked 99.141.226.126 (talk) (account creation disabled) with an expiry time of 31 hours (Vandalism) (unblock | change block) [14:50:49] lol [14:50:51] is there a gadget or something to warn? [14:51:01] Vacation9: yes [14:51:08] -_- [14:51:10] [[User:Bene*/userwarn.js]] [14:51:10] 10[3] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Bene%2A/userwarn%2Ejs [14:51:20] ok getting [14:51:22] Sannita: gah its that stupid double blocks issue [14:51:32] maybe we should make it a gadget? [14:51:43] what do you htink? [14:51:47] Sannita: why did you revoke talk page? [14:52:18] legoktm: I probably checked it for a mistake [14:52:30] oh ok [14:52:40] hmm, I don't know about a gadget [14:52:46] it would be useful [14:52:55] i wrote https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Legoktm/quickwarn.js as well [14:52:59] but it has wayyyyy less features [14:53:32] it works for me though, so :) [14:55:12] I been wondering about a "solution" that adds tags to recent changes if something seems odd [14:55:28] solution to what? [14:55:32] aude or jeblad: do you know if we will be able to use {{#property and the lua functions on wikidata itself? [14:56:05] "Oddness" is a weird concept and the "solution" is partly done as a neural net [14:56:23] hmmm [14:56:25] legoktm: yes... [14:56:36] jeblad: oh, do you know if its live now? [14:56:37] Or do you want a date? [14:56:58] that would be nice :) [14:57:28] it is live on some wikipedias, I think.. [14:58:08] Should be live soonish on the rest [14:58:58] But Lua isn't really interesting when only one item can be queried [14:59:37] i suppose [15:00:13] We really need sme kind of Xpath for Lua [15:00:31] yes [15:07:00] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/78.20.99.150 is removing interwikis after warning [15:07:15] they responded on their talk [15:07:24] and theyre right [15:07:34] a list and a category got merged [15:07:44] oh i see [15:11:52] whats with people adding random languages as descriptions> [15:16:51] because they cant figure out their language [15:19:53] are there examples for descriptions in the wrong language? [15:20:56] we have an abusefilter to tag them [15:21:17] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=8 [15:21:58] what is this doing? [15:22:06] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q750019 [15:22:15] the description is not english [15:22:32] is this list generated automatically? [15:23:18] huh? [15:25:42] legoktm: I saw the filter, but it's happening quite a lot [15:25:50] right [15:26:05] we implemented Anonymousi18n which should hopefully reduce it [15:26:15] but until ULS gets fixed... [15:29:18] is is possible to get a list of descriptions in all languages for a given wikidata item? [15:31:07] yes [15:31:18] it can be set in preferences as gadget [15:31:31] is there an api-call_ [15:32:03] should be poissible, but I have no api knowledge [15:33:49] lbenedix: yes [15:33:57] https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetentities&ids=q42&format=jsonfm [15:34:02] if you want just descriptions [15:34:16] https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetentities&ids=q42&format=jsonfm&props=descriptions [15:34:34] jsonfm == pretty print [15:34:45] &format=json is what you actually want [15:35:33] Vacation9: you're not in #cvn-wikidata? [15:35:45] hmm no [15:35:56] joined [15:36:16] oh you have to have voice to send to channel [15:36:40] could you voice me please? [15:40:34] morning all :) [15:40:44] hi addshore ;) [15:41:18] how do hoo? :) [15:41:36] wut? :D [15:41:43] legoktm: Did you happen to make the bot add claims based on categories/templates? [15:42:01] ah no [15:42:03] lemme whip that up [15:42:37] That gives me a reason to use the rewrite branch :P [15:45:18] hoo: how are you ;p :) [15:46:04] multichill: whats a good syntax for specifying them via commandline? [15:46:05] addshore: I'm fine :) What about you? [15:46:09] -add:p123:q123 [15:46:10] ? [15:46:24] im good too ty :) [15:46:48] i would say .py Pxx Qxx Pyy Qyy etc etc [15:46:56] legoktm: my db migration to speed things up is 5.8836906710311% complete :D [15:47:08] addshore: thats gonna take a long time then :P [15:47:14] Probably some switches to control duplicates [15:47:18] hmmm [15:47:57] that means you need to be able to look ahead [15:48:01] A. Don't add it if a property is already in use B. Don't add it if a property with the same item is already in use [15:48:16] Look ahead? [15:48:28] like [15:48:36] when parsing the arguments [15:48:45] all the generator ones get handled separately [15:48:59] so now you're iterating through the arguments [15:49:05] and see P123 [15:49:09] It's just like how replace.py works [15:49:27] can it be something easy like P123:Q123 [15:49:33] replace.py "old" "new" "older" "newer" [15:49:40] ill take a look at that [15:50:12] The advantage of spaces is that at some point you can do Commons_category Haarlem [15:50:25] ANd the bot will resolve this to a Pxx and Qxx [15:50:50] With P123:Q123 you'll get yourself into all sorts of boundary problems [15:51:05] right [15:51:19] ok this isnt too hard [15:51:41] for arg in pywikibot.handleArgs(*args): else: commandline_replacements.append(arg) [15:51:50] if (len(commandline_replacements) % 2): [15:51:51] bork [16:12:50] are there plans to make editing of links and other wikidata-stuff on wikipedias possible? [16:13:13] lbenedix: Well, partly, yes [16:13:32] I'm working on that for some time now and there's already experimental code in the extension [16:14:03] btw: who designed that ugly "edit links" link that dont fit to the standard wikipedia skin? [16:14:08] We hope to enable people on the client to link yet unlinked pages with pages on other langs soon [16:14:37] lbenedix: I'm not sure who's to blame... maybe aude... I didn't change it, cause I like it :P [16:15:34] is it a bug that pages with only one language dont have this "edit links" thingy? [16:15:40] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1613171 [16:15:44] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_vom_Endt [16:15:56] there is no link from dewiki to wikidata [16:16:20] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_vom_Endt?action=purge [16:16:23] lbenedix: try this [16:16:40] It's supposed to be like this until my code is fully reviewed and goes live [16:16:47] ups, fail [16:16:49] Wikibase is still WIP in parts [16:17:03] ok [16:17:13] * lbenedix likes finding bugs [16:18:09] That's good :) [16:18:25] * hoo likes killing them [16:18:34] let's call it unintended features [16:25:43] I would really like the dialog to include a disambiguation list [16:26:23] Tjat would remove a lot of the now newly created items with a single sitelink [16:26:29] That.. [16:26:48] The keys are to close together on my new keyboard [16:28:33] jeblad: We're already able to handle pages with a single sitelink item [16:28:43]