[00:04:21] Danny_B: when you say we, what language are you referring to? [00:05:20] primarily cs, mostly also sk (those langs are quite similar as well as projects and their habits are - we used to be one country 20 years ago) [00:08:15] ah ok [00:13:00] Danny_B: that also applies to some other languages I can think of [00:13:26] i'd assume all or at least most of the slavic languages will face the same issue [00:13:45] Also the Baltic languages: Lithuanian and Latvian have no articles [00:14:53] and Scandinavian languages and other languages that do have indefinite articles, but have different genders [00:15:42] and languages that use different word orders than the "European" subject�verb�object (e.g. subject�object�verb languages) [00:17:48] we can also have object verb subject order [00:17:59] mhm [00:18:00] verb object subject... [00:18:44] Jhs: what about even French? "est un(e)" ? [00:19:04] exactly. different genders [00:19:45] Lydia_WMDE: You around? [00:24:17] Not everyting is obvious when it comes to languages [00:25:13] Sven_Manguard: shhh, sleeping. don't wake her up! [00:25:27] Jeblad_WMDE: Oh good, you're actually here. [00:25:51] I was thinking of interviewing some of the Wikidata staff for the Signpost since it's hitting Wikipedia on Monday [00:25:52] Not mentally.. [00:26:06] and the Signpost is published (theoretically) on Monday [00:26:21] too late... [00:26:23] Interview Lydia, she is prettier than me [00:26:24] Think anyone will be down for it? I could email you all some questions [00:27:15] I could interview multiple people and combine their answers [00:27:55] like the kind of interview at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-04/WikiProject_report [00:28:44] I think you should talk to Lydia, she is handling all such things [00:29:34] i just hope there's no problems at enwp tomorrow with the community reacting [00:30:32] Hopfully everything goes smoothly, but I think there will be traffic on the Project chat [00:31:11] possible problems: kill ALL the interwikis! or kill ALL the wikidata! [00:32:18] 50% business as usual and 25% on each extrema [00:32:30] And some that want a full voting [00:33:56] you can't kill all interwikis untill wikidata supports all projects [00:34:19] oh, well there will be some enwp users who try [00:36:41] There will not be full voting. English Wikipedia will not be allowed to be the only project not to support Wikidata. [00:37:04] If they try, the WMF will shove it down their throats so hard that they will have intestinal bleeding. [00:37:06] Sven_Manguard: oh, but some will demand it :P [00:37:13] AFTv5! AFTv5 [00:37:27] some would disconnect enwp from commons if they could [00:37:38] zomg so much binary porn on wikidata [00:37:42] rschen7754, yes, some people are insane [00:38:04] I am on the other extreme, admittedly. I feel we should *only* be using images on Commons [00:38:17] BTW, Hebrew doesn't have present-tense "be" verbs, or articles, so "is a" would be . [00:38:27] Sven_Manguard: i sign that [00:38:34] and that non-free fair use is roughly about as good for Wikipedia as a fistful of bubonic plague is for humans [00:39:58] fair use is actually less free than eg. cc-by-sa-nd which i could get thousands of (but they won't release it under cc-by-sa because of keeping the original context and intention) [00:40:20] but i can't upload any of those while they would be much more useful than fair use [00:40:34] you can upload them as non-free [00:40:59] you can't upload on commons anything non free [00:41:19] and it does not have a sense to have one lang with images and others without [00:41:22] yes, I was speaking of uploading to Wikipedia [00:41:36] fair use deserves to be annihilated from enwp [00:41:43] mhmm [01:10:08] Ajraddatz: Please don't blank the dupes page. [01:10:14] why? [01:10:47] 1) iirc, it was screwing up the bot earlier 2) It doesn't need to be cleared. [01:10:59] ok, then put a notice at the top of the page [01:11:03] (or I will now actually) [01:11:39] Ajraddatz: just edit the /header [01:11:50] yeah [01:16:13] Hi Jasper_Deng [01:16:27] * Jasper_Deng wonders if he got his PM yesterday [01:18:05] I might have, but I had my computer muted, so if you pinged me, I didn't get it [01:18:25] get the ping* [01:19:24] Sven_Manguard: it wasn't a ping [01:19:38] but in any case I'm looking for your opinion on the AGF/NPA thread on project chat [01:19:42] if you PMed me, the only way I'd know is by hearing a ping [01:21:14] *ping* [01:21:41] Sven_Manguard: /me is specifically talking about http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#AGF_and_NPA_pages [01:25:41] hmm, the sidebar definitely needs to be changed to gain more usability [01:30:02] Jasper_Deng: responded, added image to http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:No_personal_attacks [01:30:16] Sven_Manguard: thanks for weighing in. We should do an RFC [01:30:32] no, it's fine as is [01:30:58] Sven_Manguard: I mean, we need community consensus in support [01:31:13] Keep in mind that WD:Labels is still only proposed [01:31:18] there's no real rush [01:31:28] Sven_Manguard: yeah.... that's why RfCs typically last weeks [01:31:44] Wikidata needs more redirects. [01:31:48] * Jasper_Deng doesn't know how the community would like the provision for removing personal attack comments [01:31:51] besides, I'd oppose both as is because they're way, way to long and complicated [01:31:51] I hate typing everything out [01:31:52] duh: shortcuts? [01:31:54] Yeah [01:32:04] WD:RFB doesn't exist [01:32:07] be bold and make them yourself [01:32:10] Request for bots? [01:32:14] * duh is lazy [01:32:15] Sven_Manguard: npa nutshell is simple: "be nice. just be." ;-) [01:32:20] ^+1 [01:32:22] (that one can be confused w/ requests for comment) [01:32:36] RFB != RFC... [01:32:37] Danny_B: also, add "If not, we'll block you until you do. That's all." [01:32:47] lol [01:32:49] duh: but RfB could be confused w/ requests for bureaucratship [01:32:57] They're on the same page! [01:32:59] * Danny_B hopes it was just a joke [01:44:19] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Call the repo "Wikibase Repo" rather then just "Wikibase"" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48410 [02:10:05] gneb [02:24:00] i installed a bunch of random gadgets, does anyone know which one http://cl.ly/image/2a1j1G2B2l40 is? [02:24:58] Sven_Manguard: any idea?^ [02:25:20] never seen this one [02:26:04] Heh [02:26:17] I'm just hitting the "check sitelink" link next to "create" [02:26:45] still never seen that one [02:26:50] I just use Item by Title [02:27:28] Aha [02:27:29] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-SitelinkCheck.js [02:27:59] also, [02:28:00] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q329397 vs https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3120398 [02:28:06] the fr links are different [02:28:09] the others are identical [02:28:17] i cant figure out what to do [02:29:23] * Jasper_Deng is glad that this channel and the project in general is mostly abuse-free [02:30:31] it was until you came in :P [03:47:49] Jeblad_WMDE: still awake? [03:50:47] would it be possible to have it so that when you enter in an item in the Statements section, it orders items with the same name by number of times each one is used? Right now the ordering is all weird. If I try to input Canada I get the disambiguation first, then an ancient Portuguese unit of measurement. The country, which obviously is going to be used most, is fifth on the list. [03:51:09] Also, it seems to cap out at seven items [03:51:44] Which means if I input Miami, I don't even *see* the country in Florida [03:51:56] the city* in Florida [04:11:25] New review: Siebrand; "Please don't merge as is. The design should change slightly, and then the L10n change isn't needed." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48141 [04:35:12] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "make use of assertContainsOnlyInstancesOf" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48414 [04:59:31] Sven_Manguard: The sorting is very weird indeed, but I think it is better to make it understandable than making it even more weird. [05:00:20] based on usage seems like a good method, other than that it would drain resources to determine that [05:00:36] the current system doesn't even seem to take into account Q number [05:00:54] since the country Canada is Q16 or something, and comes in fifth for Canada [05:01:09] well, there would need to be an algorithm to tell relevance [05:01:17] (though usage might be sufficient) [05:05:35] what languages are frr, fy, and stq? [05:05:49] anyone know off the top of their heads? [05:06:51] frr=North Frisian, fy=West Frisian, stq=Saterland Frisian [05:06:55] North Frisian, West Frisian, Saterland Frisian [05:07:00] yes, googled it too [05:07:09] so German-likes [05:07:19] * Jasper_Deng uses AvicBot's !lang functionality in #cvn-sw [05:23:36] So, in the future, I'm hoping that properties will auto-generate a category? [05:27:44] Moe_Epsilon: what do you mean? [05:29:36] maybe one day in a later phase, it might be nice to have: "place of birth" property added: New York City, New York. It will generate a category at the bottom of the page [[Category:Place of birth: New York City, New York]] [05:29:40] or something like that [05:32:07] Special:HasThisProperty [05:32:10] (or something like that) [05:32:39] :p something like that, where we can view things with similar properties [05:33:00] * Jasper_Deng pokes Jeblad_WMDE [05:33:13] (preferabbly like it is in the contributions [[Universe (Q1)]] [05:33:52] o_O minwiki wants to opt out from Wikidata? [05:34:44] one can simply opt out? >: [05:35:35] Be out of the sites table and not installing the client extension maybe? [05:35:55] it's the newest wikipedia, from last week [05:36:01] and they're still trying to get it hooked in [05:36:16] wait, misunderstood that person's request haha [05:36:29] they thought minwiki isn't approved by Wikidata [05:36:45] oh :P [05:38:10] New review: Siebrand; "L10n/i18n reviewed." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47716 [05:43:33] minwiki? [05:43:36] what's dat? [05:55:08] Sven_Manguard: Minangkabau [06:06:40] where is the source for the {{#property}} feature? [06:07:25] Jeblad_WMDE would know and so would Lydia_WMDE.... but both offline.... [07:49:54] Jasper_Deng_away: at your service re signpost :) [08:45:17] New review: Siebrand; "See inline comment. Please replace entities by Unicode characters." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47817 [09:28:32] New patchset: Henning Snater; "Optimizing wbsearchentities and adding some documentation" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48425 [09:28:32] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44677) Entity selector widget: "more" link" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48426 [09:33:57] New review: Siebrand; "See inline comments." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47794 [09:35:43] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(bug 44095) first version of claim diff visualization in DiffView" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47852 [09:49:36] JeroenDeDauw: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/47852/ [09:55:33] Abraham_WMDE, aude: happy birthday! [09:55:42] (no, I won't sing, that song is copyrighted!) [09:55:48] DanielK_WMDE: :-D [10:05:42] Reedy: happy birthday [10:07:41] Happy birthday, Abraham_WMDE, aude, Reedy! [10:27:34] So many birthdays on Februrary 11 make me wonder if May 11 is more prone to blackouts and power failures. [10:50:32] Reedy: happy birthday! :) [10:54:54] Reedy: happy birthday :D [11:01:41] Reedy: what, you too?! Well, birthday, then! [11:05:24] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Confirmed fatal" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: -1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46294 [11:21:52] New patchset: Aude; "Omit wikidata changes from enhanced changes" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48438 [11:23:28] Tobi_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/48438/ not the prettiest code but okay as a short term fix [11:23:59] i'd like to do one more patch for patrolled changes [11:24:49] aude: this is the only thing which should go in today? or are more changes coming? [11:34:18] Tobi_WMDE: one more [11:34:41] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48101 [11:34:41] aude: ok, tell me when it's there [11:34:45] ok [11:39:02] New review: Siebrand; "This shouldn't be in the form. It should be above it. Then the breaks are also not needed." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47577 [11:40:34] DanielK_WMDE: you miss a delicious cake, thank you so much to our awesome team! [11:44:45] Lydia_WMDE: i will be attending http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wikipedia_Day , if you want that on our calendar [11:44:55] * aude will be on vacation, though [11:45:25] aude: if you're willing to talk to people about wikidata there i'm happy to add it :) [11:45:38] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48110 [11:45:38] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47857 [11:47:05] Lydia_WMDE: ok [11:47:25] * aude thinks it's expected i talk about wikidata there [11:47:38] hehe [11:47:40] ok [11:47:42] i'll add it [11:47:47] thanks [11:47:58] just booked my flight this weekend, but it's confirmed now [11:50:22] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(bug 43990) Robust serialization of change objects" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46294 [11:51:01] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "Duh! How did I miss that?! Sorry :/" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46294 [12:04:04] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(bug 43990) Robust serialization of change objects" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46294 [12:04:18] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "I forget how to git." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46294 [12:12:34] New review: John Erling Blad; "Only copying in one error, the remaing is the same." [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master); V: -1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48414 [12:14:53] New review: John Erling Blad; "I think this name change was discussed last autumn, and then it was decided not to do it. I am in fa..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48410 [12:33:11] New patchset: Aude; "(bug 44557) mark wikibase edits as autopatrolled in client" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48443 [12:33:47] Tobi_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/48443/ [12:34:03] New review: John Erling Blad; "Passes tests, but it could still be something that fails as I have not tried to trigger changes manu..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46294 [12:34:09] i think that's it for testing [12:50:41] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44755) language terms table has now edit features in JavaScript UI" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47906 [12:58:29] can someone give [[User:Andrew Gray]] autopatrolled please? [13:06:30] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 44665) start/stopEditing events for claimview widget" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47842 [13:11:19] Change abandoned: Daniel Werner; "Should not be done directly in the serializer. Also, we decided to not offer any switch in the API a..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47396 [13:14:28] New review: Daniel Werner; "Clicking edit, then cancel, statements and references do have some issue, they keep their editing co..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: -1 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47842 [13:19:15] Lydia_WMDE: what about https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#intro_video_to_Wikidata ? [13:19:28] lazowik: hey :) [13:19:37] lazowik: let's quickly chat in a query [13:29:17] Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47906 [13:29:39] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44755) improved tooltip for language terms table in edit mode" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47907 [13:35:45] New patchset: Aude; "Add setting to exclude namespaces [DO NOT MERGE]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48449 [13:37:02] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44755) improved tooltip for language terms table in edit mode" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47907 [13:39:22] New patchset: Henning Snater; "Language names in language terms table now links to the entity in that language" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47908 [13:40:00] hey [13:40:06] New patchset: Henning Snater; "EntityView::selectTerms improvements" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47909 [13:40:10] lazowik: Lydia_WMDE: i am online now [13:40:56] lazowik: Denny_WMDE said he has some more input on the topic [13:41:10] ok [13:41:40] here's my idea [13:41:48] i might be overriden, and it is just an idea :) [13:42:00] hey, I'm not a pro :) [13:42:11] i was using camtasia once [13:42:17] it would have worked perfectly if i had it [13:42:26] i deleted imovie just a few months ago :P [13:42:28] darn [13:42:41] I have three options [13:42:45] so basically, just a few videos [13:42:49] speak [13:42:56] iMovie / Motion from FCP / video export from Keynote [13:43:18] sounds good [13:43:36] i would make a two part video [13:43:46] one as a generic intro, which is just setting the mood [13:44:02] videos from commons, cut, music, and one voice over [13:44:10] and the second part probably based on a keynote export [13:44:17] which is then saying what wikidata actually does [13:44:39] mhm [13:44:55] yesterday i was looking for music and videos [13:44:57] Jamendo can be handy [13:44:58] with the appropriate licenses [13:45:07] need to google for jamendo [13:45:15] Lydia_WMDE: hey :) [13:45:17] ah sweet [13:45:32] guillom: hey :) [13:45:41] i found something yesterday, but i am not set on that. it just has a few nice lines which fit surprsiingly well [13:45:54] Lydia_WMDE: just going through my usual checklist: have you announced it on wikitech-l and wikien-l? [13:46:10] guillom: nope [13:46:27] Lydia_WMDE: if you can, I think it wouldn't hurt; not everyone reads the SignPost :) [13:46:39] Lydia_WMDE: also, a quick post on the technical village pump [13:47:05] guillom: ok - will do [13:47:06] lazowik: here's the song i found. http://ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/33628 [13:47:14] it has a few interesting remixes [13:47:16] Lydia_WMDE: great :) And good luck! [13:47:20] thanks! [13:47:34] the first verse has a few lines that fit perfectly [13:47:46] guillom: Lydia_WMDE Denny_WMDE maybe it's time for a blog post on the WMF blog? [13:47:58] the second verse should probably then be faded back and there would be more voiceover [13:48:00] with the statements on wikidata + deployment on the wikipedia [13:48:05] (i am just imagining :) ) [13:48:06] s [13:48:31] or maybe for our next deployment to other wikipedias [13:48:35] ok, but I'm missing the general message of the first video... [13:48:36] aude: perhaps; you know better than I do how important this deployment is. I'm happy to help if you want to post on the WM blog [13:48:58] guillom: it's up to lydia and denny.... [13:49:16] guillom: let's do it - i am still knee-deep in preparing everything though [13:49:17] maybe end of the month, as we polish things up a little more on wikidata [13:49:30] Denny_WMDE: ^ [13:49:36] Lydia_WMDE: it can be later this week or the next; I'm fine with that [13:49:41] ok [13:49:44] sure :) [13:49:59] I'll be busier the last week of Feb though :) [13:50:01] * aude is psyched for the deployment [13:50:08] aude: yay, me too :) [14:01:17] Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47907 [14:01:31] Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47908 [14:01:44] Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47909 [14:03:05] New patchset: Aude; "(bug 44873) Add setting to exclude namespaces [DO NOT MERGE]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48449 [14:07:46] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Parse intro messages" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47577 [14:08:46] New review: John Erling Blad; "Moved the text out of the option frame." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47577 [14:09:49] can anyone tell me where the suggestions in the wikidata-search come from? [14:10:36] lazowik: i'll get back to you on this tomorrow - need to sit down with denny and go through his suggestions first i think [14:10:44] ok [14:10:44] sure [14:11:34] when i search for "annette schavan" i get "Did you mean: annette schaken", when i click the link i get "There were no results matching the query" [14:11:38] guillom: message to wikien-l awaits moderator approval [14:12:56] lbenedix1: they come from the lucene powered search [14:13:00] it it truly terrible [14:13:06] we will change that [14:15:03] btw: i updated my wikidata dev-system and can not enter statements [14:15:16] did you set experimental true? [14:15:32] oh. but statements should not be experimental anymore [14:15:38] do you have properties? [14:16:24] here is an example: http://lb.bombenlabor.de/ba/mediawiki/index.php/Item:Q2 [14:17:13] and an other with statements, but i cant enter anything: http://lb.bombenlabor.de/ba/mediawiki/index.php/Item:Q4 [14:18:41] Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46733 [14:20:55] Lydia_WMDE: almost forgot: I'll be off the internets for most time during the next three days [14:21:08] lazowik: alright :) [14:21:22] only evenings and for short time [14:21:31] ok - thx [14:21:44] I've talked with Denny [14:21:55] and we came up with something [14:21:57] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug 43994) Add a special page for pages that are not connected to items" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47794 [14:22:10] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48443 [14:22:25] lbenedix1: works for me http://lb.bombenlabor.de/ba/mediawiki/index.php/Item:Q2 [14:22:30] you didnt have any properties [14:22:31] I'll tell when I'll have done something [14:22:32] i created one [14:22:44] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48438 [14:22:54] thx lazowik [14:23:08] no problem [14:25:53] Denny_WMDE: mmhh... strange... i can't enter anything that let the save-link get blue... [14:27:09] ?? [14:27:21] it worked for me immeadiately [14:27:29] what are you trying to enter? [14:28:29] Denny_WMDE: could you send that voice over lyrics again? [14:29:16] I go to http://lb.bombenlabor.de/ba/mediawiki/index.php/Item:Q4 click on "add" in the statements section, enter "p2" to property [14:31:42] lbenedix1: you have to choose the label, not the id [14:32:29] Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48330 [14:32:41] ahh... okay, i was confused because your statement had property "p2" [14:34:00] ? [14:34:13] for me it says "Test" [14:34:19] you should not see p2 anywhere? [14:34:27] are you using language english? [14:35:23] after i changed the language to english i see "Test" in german it is "p2" [14:36:45] because there is no label in german [14:36:53] and we dont have fallback languages yet [14:37:04] New patchset: Henning Snater; "Optimizing wbsearchentities and adding some documentation" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48425 [14:37:22] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44677) Entity selector widget: "more" link" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48426 [14:37:30] okay [14:38:12] the whole thing with different languages is confusing [14:38:30] pity [14:38:33] it shouldn't be [14:38:45] set labels for the language you are using [14:38:48] and use that language [14:38:55] and everything should be straightforward [14:39:54] New patchset: Siebrand; "Use PLURAL uppercase consistently." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48455 [14:41:06] browsing wikidata.org in german shows many items without label or description [14:41:15] yep, they are missing [14:41:18] need to be added [14:41:25] even items with a link to dewiki [14:41:38] Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48455 [14:42:21] we hope to have soon a feature online to allow easier editing labels [14:42:25] that might help with that issue [14:43:10] a default language for empty labels would be nice [14:43:32] how to choose it? [14:46:36] there is a default-order for languagelinks in every wikipedia, maybe you could take this and show the first available language in that list [14:47:34] that's simple abc order [14:48:34] yep, mostly this list is alphabetic based on the language code [14:48:42] i dont think that its alphabetical order in every wikipedia. i think there was a discussion about the order in the wikidata-mailinglist months ago [14:49:24] no in some it is not [14:49:27] but that makes it even harder [14:49:31] which list should you take? [14:49:40] most are just alphabetic [14:50:18] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "I gather that this is intended to allow us to query for pages that do not have an item associated wi..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46213 [14:51:18] do you know in which wikipedia its not alphabetic? [14:53:09] i'll put http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q57100 in my announcement blog for tonight if anyone feels like adding a few statements [14:54:16] Lydia_WMDE: nice selection :) [14:54:34] :) [14:55:08] aude: Jeblad_WMDE: mw core on devrepo is up to date [14:55:19] lbenedix1: no, not from the top of my head [14:55:26] we will have a list end of month :) [14:55:55] now it also has the plural problem Jeblad_WMDE [14:55:56] Silke_WMDE_: Denny_WMDE and it's broken now :( [14:55:59] so confirmed, it is a core issue [14:56:22] * aude suspected so and looks for the change in question [14:56:42] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48425 [14:58:14] yei properties! is it possible for en wiki to have more than one page showing the same list of interwikies (refering the same Q ID)? [14:58:55] yurik: no [14:59:09] one page, one item [15:00:24] yurik: such things will have to continue to use local links in the wiki text [15:00:29] bummer, but IIRC, with interwikies, there was lots of cases when one topic in most languages corresponded with multiple pages in EN (or some other one) [15:00:55] yurik: we expect it to become easier though for these cases when most things are centrally stored at least [15:00:56] so all other langs refed the "main" one [15:01:47] i was just thinking that if [[d:Q1111]] syntax would simply pull all the interwiki links for that number into the current article, it might solve itL [15:01:49] ? [15:02:54] i'm sure you have worked through most of these cases though - I remember someone published a nice picuture diagram of all possible interwiki scenarious the bots had to deal with [15:03:10] and many to one was a common case [15:04:21] yurik: those are less than 0.2% of the cases [15:04:33] we'll see in a few weeks how it looks like [15:07:00] actually i think what might solve this for sure is the ability to have a list of items. Once again, congrats on props, looks awesome. [15:07:19] one other question - how come lots of recent changes don't have any summary? I thought its added automatically? [15:11:58] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "This change seems to try too many things at once. Some make a lot of sense and a quite helpful, othe..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47033 [15:13:14] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "why do we need this?" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46675 [15:13:23] DanielK_WMDE: The connected items, just remove sorting and startTitle for now and it should work without index [15:14:43] yurik: that will come with the next roll-out [15:14:59] currently planned for next monday [15:15:04] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "If the unit tests are incomplete, this change set should add a test protecting against regression." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47037 [15:18:59] New review: John Erling Blad; "I don't agree with you. This is the stuff we already do in the present modules. If we don't want to ..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47033 [15:21:23] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "John, which is what stuff?" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47033 [15:22:36] Danwe: Tobi_WMDE Henning_WMDE Denny_WMDE https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/47044/ [15:22:45] that's the commit that breaks the plural message [15:27:51] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "EntityView selectTerms simplified" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48365 [15:28:39] so do we know how to fix it already? aude Tobi_WMDE Henning_WMDE Danwe ? [15:29:52] Denny_WMDE: seeing if i can quickly figure it out or otherwise i'm sure one of use can fix [15:30:37] Jeblad_WMDE: i don't understand - how can itr work efficiently without an index? [15:31:47] Jeblad_WMDE: you would be selecting all pages that doe not have a page_props entry with pp_name = 'ConnectedItem', right? [15:32:19] without an index on pp_value or at leat on pp_name, that requires a table scan. or am i missing something? [15:33:17] have you tried to use EXPLAIN to see how mysql is going to execute the query? hm, i suppose we'd need a realistic sample database for that... [15:33:19] nvm [15:41:01] The page is efficient enough, even without an index, as long as the number of unconnected pages are high enough [15:41:17] As the number sinks the page will be more and more inefficient, [15:41:51] At some point there should be an index if there is noene now, but if there is none now someone should _really_ update the docs [15:42:28] The docs says is is supposed to be used for such special pages and that should imply there is an index [15:43:12] I would say the set up of this table is broken if it dosnt have an index for this column [15:43:34] that is pp_propname [15:45:31] Jeblad_WMDE: well, it can easily be checked. just look at the actual query, as DanielK_WMDE said :) [15:47:00] The actual query says whats happen on tables in my repo, not at wmfs tables [15:50:03]