[00:00:01] "Please ask Brion to sacrifice another Server Kittie." [00:00:06] The next thing I'm going to fix is my bed.. [00:00:18] * James_F grins. [00:01:10] * Jasper_Deng pokes Amqui, Sk1d and Romaine [02:06:33] @seen Ajraddatz [02:06:39] * duh pokes wm-bot  [02:06:44] @notify Ajraddatz [02:06:44] I will notify you, when I see Ajraddatz around here [02:06:54] thank you [02:07:13] niteynite [02:56:43] Hello sane people. [02:56:50] Hi Sven [02:56:54] * Jasper_Deng sees he got his memo [02:57:02] you can check? [02:57:16] Sven_Manguard: MemoServ notifies me [02:58:23] https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/change-fine-nations-anthem-theme-my-little-pony-friendship-magic/dD95cQvL [02:58:33] Jesus... what the fuck is wrong with people? [03:00:48] Clearly Sven is not a brony. [03:02:17] Just signed: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7 [03:02:57] Just signed: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/establish-lunar-new-year-national-holiday-give-it-same-importance-and-weight-other-cultural-holidays/0fpSLqvZ [03:03:02] ….. [03:03:23] what? [03:03:32] you do know "signing" those doesn't do anything? [03:04:11] I've worked in government. You'd think that the politicians don't notice, but they actually do. [03:05:20] For smaller things, if they can score a big PR win with little to no political cost, they'll do it [03:05:39] Maybe the holiday one [03:06:47] If a petition gets 30,000 signatures, that's one out of 100 people in the US. Even accounting for international signers and duplicate signers, that's a lot of Americans. [03:07:09] Heh [03:07:21] https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/require-free-access-over-internet-scientific-journal-articles-arising-taxpayer-funded-research/wDX82FLQ - that, for example, might actually have a chance of happening because it has 60,000 people on board [03:08:28] https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/legally-recognize-westboro-baptist-church-hate-group/DYf3pH2d that one has *300,000* signatures, which is 1 in 10 Americans (theoretically) [03:10:18] or it just means redditors are really bored [03:12:43] if they send 300,000 *emails* they'd bring down the government's ability to respond [03:43:14] Burkina Faso defeats Ghana to make the African Cup of Nations despite what is, as far as I am concerned, a very, very obvious case of ref rigging against them [03:43:18] Cool. [03:57:21] Jasper_Deng: what's the link for creating a property? [03:57:31] Sven_Manguard: Special:NewProperty [03:57:37] ah [03:57:44] I was at Special:CreateProperty [03:57:59] so CreateItem and NewProperty [03:58:03] makes sense to me... [04:00:09] file a bug. [04:01:35] yeah, that's been pissing me off too [04:01:46] Why don't you just kill the bug? [04:01:49] isn't there a way to make a special page redirect or something? [04:01:49] Anyone have a french keyboard? I need the lowercase É [04:01:51] then file a bug. [04:01:56] é [04:02:02] thanks [04:02:23] no prob :) Canadian Multilingual Standard... now plugging that one for like the fifth time [04:02:35] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P98 needs a french description if you'd like to [04:03:45] Sven_Manguard: i think the label should be rédacteur... [04:03:56] okay, change it then [04:03:59] though that stuff's always confused me [04:04:05] I just took what was there in the proposal [04:04:20] I haven't taken french since high school, and I remember none of it [04:04:31] My French teacher spoke French... as a third language. [04:04:39] and English as a second one. [04:04:59] Sven_Manguard: hmm now i'm not sure. need to look a few things up [04:07:35] hmm. pretty sure it's rédacteur... i'll change it, but leave a note on talk inviting anyone better at French to correct me [04:10:26] PinkAmpersand: yes there is [04:10:32] (special page redirects) [04:10:49] duh: ahh. so why not make one for Special:CreatePropertyÉ [04:10:54] * ? [04:11:03] Good idea [04:11:05] (and Special:NewItem) [04:11:08] Ok [04:14:39] btw, anyone feel like making labelLister work for properties? [04:16:29] who wrote it to begin with? I forget [04:18:03] PinkAmpersand: duh: techman224: thoughts on http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P47 (shares border with)? [04:18:28] wait, never mind [04:18:36] I thought it was in "Added without discussion" for a second [04:18:37] does USA share border with Pacific Ocean? [04:18:46] oh land [04:30:53] SvenDowideit: haha lol it was, by me [04:31:17] oh lol [04:31:22] was intended for the other Sven [06:05:21] check out my cloak :P [06:05:45] i didn't realize that tehy had wikidata cloaks [06:06:11] * Jasper_Deng has a non-project-specific cloak [06:06:34] rschen7754: they do, and wikivoyage [06:29:51] * Jasper_Deng pokes Nikerabbit [06:35:07] Jasper_Deng: wassup [06:49:23] aharoni: pokes Nikerabbit. [06:49:47] aharoni: pokes aharoni. [06:50:27] Is moving pages detected by Wikidata? Is the site link supposed to be updated at the item page? I would expect something like this to happen. [06:50:43] But it looks like it doesn't happen now. [06:51:32] i think thats a bug [06:51:48] i run a bot on wikidata that will bypass the redirects right now though [06:52:21] duh: is it *supposed* to be done with a bot? This thing is so basic that it should be done by the software itself. [06:52:35] it should be done by the software [06:52:46] is it supposed to be implemented already, or planned? [06:52:51] except regardless we have a huge backlog that its going to need humans/bots to clean up [06:52:54] i think planned [06:53:00] * duh checks bugzilla [06:53:25] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36729 [06:53:38] someone just needs to work on it [06:54:32] Low/enhancement? I'd say that it's very high. Pages move all the time. [06:55:22] mark it higher then ;) [06:55:40] i should probably go fix the unicode error my bots been having now [07:01:56] aharoni: you commented but didnt up the priority :P [07:04:34] ergh [07:04:36] replag is high [07:05:50] Jeblad_WMDE: do you know if arrays will be supported as a data type? [07:05:55] (or, at least, lists) [07:06:24] Statements are lists? [07:06:39] Jeblad_WMDE: but each statement can only be a single data entry [07:06:47] like "atomic number"=92 [07:07:14] but I cannot say "children"="{John Doe, Jill Example}" [07:07:27] If you define a property "mayor" you can add how many statements with mayor as you want [07:07:54] You say "atomic number" og "child" and add as many as you need [07:09:23] * Jasper_Deng did not know that [07:09:53] The interesting thing is relations for those multiple statements, can we always avoid adding relations between the statements.. [07:10:02] We hope qualifiers can solve that, but I'm not sure [07:10:03] ? [07:10:36] 1. child, 2. child etc [07:11:24] The ordering comes from the birth date in most cases, but sometimes you must specify the data somehow else [07:12:05] That can be done in qualifiers, but then we have something unstructured and ugly.. [07:13:24] There is a whole bunch of "not told assumptions" that really should be written down so the community isn't left so much in the wild.. ;) [07:15:24] Jasper_Deng: I started on a page for the datatypes https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Data_type [07:15:44] Jeblad_WMDE: actually I'm trying to import m:Wikidata/Data_model [07:15:47] Jeblad_WMDE: see project chat [07:15:52] Ended up updating the special page insted [07:16:20] Note that the data model is veeery technical [07:20:38] aharoni: btw if you want to help out at https://en.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Legobot/Conflicts for fixing conflicts :) [07:42:19] just passing &bot=1 should be good enough to get edits marked as a bot right? [07:43:23] * Jasper_Deng thinks so [07:44:21] duh: just be sure to set it, we blocked a bot for not doing that :P [07:44:35] well someone asked me to on my talk page since it wasnt [07:44:44] and at that time i wasnt sending it [07:44:53] but i set it, and for some reason it didnt get flagged as a bot [07:45:01] its possible that pywikibot is overriding me [07:45:17] :/ [07:45:21] uggh [07:51:31] make sure the bots name match up with the bots user account [07:51:39] er [07:51:41] what do you mean? [07:52:08] Upper case / lower case can be enough to fail some checks [07:52:19] umm [07:52:32] where is the bot passing its own username? [07:52:46] But I think the log in of bots should be pretty stright forward [07:52:59] oh the login is fine [07:53:43] then run some ordinary edits in the sandbox and se if it gets flagged as a bot [07:54:36] duh: don't know if this helps at all https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Bene*#Need_you_help [07:59:50] which item is the sandbox/test page? [08:01:00] look at sven's talk [08:01:09] on WD? [08:01:13] Jasper_Deng: yes [08:01:53] found it [08:01:54] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4115189 [08:02:46] Hi all. I can't find bugtracker, so I'll write here. [08:03:33] bugzilla.wikimedia.org [08:03:36] putnik: bugzilla.wikimedia.org [08:04:23] Ugh. MediaWiki Extensions? [08:04:40] what is your bug? [08:04:47] XMLHttpRequest cannot load https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetentities&format=json&ids=p41. Origin https://ru.wikidata.org is not allowed by Access-Control-Allow-Origin. [08:05:44] yes, you use "ru" as subdomain [08:05:52] When try to add new statement from language subdomain. [08:06:21] why du you use ru? [08:06:25] Jeblad_WMDE, yes. I should not? [08:06:57] Jeblad_WMDE, because when I change language, Wikidata moves me to ru.*, en.* etc. [08:07:22] ugh.. [08:07:29] Oh, sorry. [08:07:46] it should not do that [08:08:04] I just use link for ru, that somebody gives me. [08:08:20] It should stay on wikidata.org or www.wikidata.org [08:08:49] If ru don't works for now, I think it should redirect to www. [08:08:49] we will do some tricks with subdomain later on, but thats for machine access [08:09:49] it redirects to www.wikidata.org [08:10:27] [[d:Q30]] — this interwiki link from ruwiki show http://ru.wikidata.org/wiki/Q30 link. [08:10:36] anyhow, don't try to force a request outside the browsers ordinary domain unless you know that cors is set up [08:10:40] It will fail [08:11:31] From .wikipedia.org to wikidata.org there is "holes" that allows access [08:11:37] This is set up with cors [08:11:57] Outside thos peek holes you will get errors [08:12:23] Don't remember if the holes are on www.wikidata.org or wikidata.org or both [08:13:56] Jeblad_WMDE, I think just wikidata.org. [08:14:31] yippe! [08:14:32] [02:14:21 AM] <@rc-pmtpa> [[Q4115189]] B http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?diff=5957528&oldid=5957269&rcid=5957108 * Legobot * (+33) /* wbsetsitelink-set:1|enwiki */ testing &bot [08:14:42] But script for statements uses www.wikidata.org. [08:16:30] Jeblad_WMDE, ok. What next I should do? Write ticket to Bugzilla? [08:20:47] but why can't you use the same domain as others? [08:20:56] I don't understand what you try to do [08:21:22] Jeblad_WMDE, because interwiki links fom Russian Wikipedia opens ru.wikidata.org. [08:21:35] Is this a JS script or some other (external) script [08:23:05] but why can't you use www.wikidata.org? [08:23:30] Cors is set up to allow access from ru.wikipedia.org [08:25:04] If you want links to wikidata that works from ru.wikipedia.org then use www.wikidata.org/wiki/something?uselang=ru or ?setlang=ru [08:26:05] Jeblad_WMDE, I don't want anything. I just use interwiki links from Russian Wikipedia and try to edit Wikidata. [08:26:22] I don't use custom scripts or something else. [08:26:47] I just want to use basic Wikidata functions, and it's don't work. [08:27:41] Jasper_Deng: you there? [08:27:43] Ok, it don't work because the subdomains are not set up correct for the moment and I'm not sure if they will for a very long time [08:27:58] duh: yes but I'm going to have to sleep soon [08:28:05] use www.wikidata.org and use global login [08:28:45] You can set your language in the top menu, beside your user name [08:28:56] Then you get russian language [08:30:15] Jeblad_WMDE, as you wish. I just try to say you that all users, who use interwiki links, can't edit Wikidata. [08:31:22] Use may fix Access-Control-Allow-Origin or use current domain for API instead of www.wikidata.org or do nothing. [08:31:52] I just inform you about a problem. [08:32:07] Can you give me an url to the page where you came from in ruwiki and I'll check whats going on, or try to write a bug report and specify which page and link on ruwiki you used and how it fails for you [08:34:24] Jeblad_WMDE, https://ru.wikipedia.org/?oldid=52290878 - first topic [08:37:12] Ah, that one... It is set up wrong.. [08:53:06] putnik: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44739 [08:54:05] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44665) start/stopEditing events for claimview widget" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47842 [08:54:05] New patchset: Henning Snater; "css: Coloring for reference errors" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47843 [09:20:43] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Add descriptive head and body messages to each of the datatypes" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47817 [09:27:16] Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47217 [09:27:50] Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47218 [09:35:06] Jeblad_WMDE, ok, thanks. [09:59:51] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44538) Simple counter for statementview's references" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47219 [10:03:05] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Add descriptive head and body messages to each of the datatypes" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47817 [10:21:49] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47219 [10:37:38] Hallo. [10:37:41] The message MediaWiki:Wikibase-linkitem-addlinks: its documentation says "Link on the left asking to link the current page with pages on other sites." [10:37:43] Where is it actually? To the left of what? [10:38:12] aharoni: we shall fix that [10:38:21] it means in the sidebar, which could be on the right or left :) [10:39:10] So, more or less in the usual interlanguage links area? [10:39:21] Below the links? [10:39:31] yes, same place as the edit links link [10:39:39] but in case where there are no links yet [10:41:51] New patchset: Aude; "Fix qqq message for add links, re-add lost qqq message for RC pref" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47849 [10:42:34] aharoni: ^ [10:43:27] New review: Aude; "rather trivial, approving this" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47849 [10:43:28] Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47849 [10:52:31] aude: thanks, but you can usually fix qqq directly in translatewiki.net [10:58:05] aharoni: translatewiki is still slightly confusing to me [10:58:19] gerrit is slightly easier :) [11:00:27] aude: ouch, that hurts [11:00:41] heh [11:14:40] aude: you basically go to translatewiki.net, type MediaWiki:MESSAGE-KEY/qqq, and edit it as a wiki page. [11:14:59] Et c'est tout. [11:17:27] aharoni: hmm.... [11:19:09] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44538) using wb.utilities.buildPendingCounter() for references counter now" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47226 [11:20:20] not too difficult, although as english speaker with nothing to translate, it takes getting used to [11:34:45] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(bug 44095) first version of claim diff visualization in DiffView" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47852 [11:36:25] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug 43994) Add a specialpage for pages that is not connected to items" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47794 [11:38:36] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(bug 44095) first version of claim diff visualization in DiffView" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47852 [11:42:33] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug 41163, bug Bug 41165) Initial take on a Summary class" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47716 [11:49:16] English lunch anyone? [11:58:01] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44538) using wb.utilities.buildPendingCounter() for references counter now" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47226 [12:02:12] New review: Siebrand; "* L10n reviewed. 1 inline comment with a request for some replacements." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47716 [12:03:27] New review: Siebrand; "See inline. Buggy commit summary :)." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47716 [12:12:18] duh: Hi. Earlier you mentioned that you have a bot that updates site-links to moved pages. Does it actually run? [12:23:10] Denny_WMDE: Jeblad_WMDE: tobi has basically run into the same issue for displaying the main snak in claim diffs [12:23:16] Tobi_WMDE: ^ [12:23:50] ok. Jeblad_WMDE and Tobi_WMDE, you talking about it? [12:26:20] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44666) Using location protocol in commonsMedia widget" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47855 [12:28:36] is there a test item? [12:28:51] I remember I created one in the past but it seems been deleted [12:29:50] we have any admins who speak Czech? [12:31:12] I'm running into fish & chips.. ;) [12:31:26] That will be a serious merge issue.. [12:31:37] * Jeblad_WMDE #hungry [12:40:32] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47226 [13:00:51] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44713) entityselector: Option to define custom aliases label" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47857 [13:11:56] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47855 [13:13:17] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47581 [13:14:25] Ajraddatz: hello [13:14:30] hi [13:25:59] whois sumanah [13:26:17] oops. [13:26:27] lol [13:26:31] heh :) [13:27:07] Heey, less than a day until the steward elections open for voting. [13:27:10] How exciting. [13:31:16] editcountitis polution even on wikidata :-/ [13:38:45] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(bug 44095) first version of claim diff visualization in DiffView" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47852 [14:08:21] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Register time datatype" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47866 [14:10:13] aude: minwiki will be imported soon, but minwiki is not accepted by wikidata yet. can you fix it? [14:10:32] Merlissimo: is that a new wikipedia? [14:11:09] yes, created yesterday [14:11:16] ah, ok [14:11:21] we need to update the sites table on wikidata [14:11:27] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Registered time datatype as being supported" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47867 [14:11:35] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Depends on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/47866/" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47867 [14:11:51] unfortunately that's not automated [14:12:15] but should be able to do that either tomorrow or more likely on monday [14:12:37] http://min.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palanta [14:13:14] ok [14:13:46] we need to figure out how to automatically keep the sites table synched with the site matrix stuff, http://min.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palanta [14:13:54] but this one we can do manually [14:15:01] i checked http://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=paraminfo&modules=wbsetsitelink which does not conatin minwiki [14:15:30] should i create a bug? [14:15:46] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44749 [14:16:02] that's for the general issue of keeping things synched [14:16:19] i can make another one now for minwiki [14:16:55] New review: Anja Jentzsch; "Looks good, but one inline comment re wording." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47794 [14:17:07] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44750 <-- for minwiki [14:17:42] * aude working on some stuff for the enwiki deployment, but once i'm done i can poke at these bugs [14:17:50] minwiki at least [14:17:53] thx for bringing it up Merlissimo [14:26:42] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added property datavalue" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47869 [14:32:06] * Lydia_WMDE is trying to find a female scientist on wikidata that has some nice statements and is not marie curie [14:32:09] and i fail :/ [14:47:40] Lydia_WMDE: try http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7259 [14:57:17] Lydia_WMDE: any particular science? [14:57:35] johl: \o/ [14:57:40] Danny_B: nope [15:00:00] * Lydia_WMDE packs up and goes home - laters :) [15:14:10] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Improvements to serializer code to facilitate unserialization [DO NOT MERGE]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44975 [15:30:49] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(bug 44095) first version of claim diff visualization in DiffView" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47852 [15:50:08] aude: What's the command to rebuild the sites table? [15:50:22] Chances are I'm not going to find it easily in my bash history ;) [15:51:25] Reedy: it would be the populateSitesTable script in wikibase lib [15:51:40] unfortunately, i think the table has to be truncated and then re-populated [15:52:00] * aude needs to make a better solution for updating the table and syncing it with sitematrix [15:52:41] like rebuild localisation, although nicer that could run periodically or on-demand :) [15:53:27] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Improvements to serializer code to facilitate unserialization" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44975 [15:54:59] Reedy: it's possible the script might just work without truncating sites [15:55:31] I can hack in a truncate... [15:55:47] * aude tries it [15:57:13] Reedy: it worked without truncate :) [15:58:21] seems to be taking ages to run.. [15:58:32] why? [15:58:54] dunno [15:58:56] it does do an api call to meta wiki to fetch the site matrix [15:58:57] just did ;) [15:59:00] Confirmed to work though [15:59:02] via https, by default [15:59:05] ah, ok [15:59:17] sure api call is not the fastest for production [15:59:29] but then the script only is needed periodically [15:59:35] I don't think it matters as a infrequently run though [15:59:36] Yeah [15:59:40] yup [15:59:58] * aude tries adding site links for minwiki [16:02:43] Ooh, interesting [16:02:54] hewiki, huwiki, test2wiki, wikidatawiki fine [16:02:57] real 3m7.582s (in total) [16:03:04] it might need the memcached kicked [16:03:05] itwiki: Query: INSERT INTO `sites` (site_id,site_global_key,site_type,site_group,site_source,site_language,site_protocol,site_domain,site_data,site_forward,site_config) VALUES (NULL,'aswikisource','mediawiki','wikisource','local','as','http','gro.ecruosikiw.sa.','a:1:{s:5:\"paths\";a:2:{s:9:\"file_path\";s:29:\"http://as.wikisource.org/w/$1\";s:9:\"page_path\";s:32:\"http://as.wikisource.org/wiki/$1\";}}','','a:0:{}') [16:03:05] itwiki: Function: ORMRow::insert [16:03:05] itwiki: Error: 1062 Duplicate entry 'aswikisource' for key 'sites_global_key' (10.64.16.23) [16:03:13] ugh [16:03:21] wonder why that only happened on itwiki [16:03:59] why is site_id null? [16:04:11] I have no idea [16:04:21] shouldn't the sites table have incremental primary key? [16:04:30] don't think that matters here [16:05:30] did it again for itwiki [16:05:44] it worked? [16:05:48] No, errored [16:05:54] otherwise, i'd truncate and then try again [16:06:01] Running it a second time elsewhere is broken too [16:06:08] maybe not [16:06:19] maybe let's wait until we have an update script [16:06:36] lol [16:07:08] Do they need memcached purging tooo? [16:07:11] i'd prefer we not empty the table on the wikipedias, but only update, clean and insert new stuff [16:07:18] probably [16:07:31] * aude can't find minwiki on wikidata but it's there on my test wiki [16:08:10] the script should just take care of that though [16:08:23] I thought someone might've fixed that after the last 2 times ;) [16:08:29] yeah [16:08:45] * Jeblad_WMDE suddenly realized he was singing on ald slave songs .. its not that bad here! =) [16:08:46] just invalidate the cache and then it should re-cache [16:08:56] what the script should do [16:09:53] What's the command for that? Quite a while since I had to run it.. [16:10:19] for what? [16:10:31] clearing the memcached key for sites [16:10:55] ..urgh, can someone remove that stayertune from my head? o_O [16:11:02] hmmm.... not really nice for production but i usually just restart it on my test instances [16:11:28] canne do that ;) [16:11:53] I've found it before.. [16:11:54] yeah [16:13:00] \\Wikibase\\Utils::insertDefaultSites(); [16:13:21] var_dump(\040Sites::singleton()->getSites()\040); [16:13:26] Apparently they are in my mweval history [16:13:43] hmm [16:14:04] there is a way to telnet into memcached from the shell [16:14:13] then delete keyname [16:14:25] aha, yeah [16:14:28] that false works [16:14:43] ah, i remember that [16:15:03] the script should definitely handle that for us, in the future [16:15:05] refresh and try again on wikidata wiki [16:15:08] ok [16:15:36] if that works, I'll run it on the other client sites too [16:16:51] don't see it [16:17:02] wb.getSites(); [16:17:29] * aude tries hard clear of my cache [16:17:55] > echo count( Sites::singleton()->getSites( false ) ); [16:17:55] 790 [16:19:02] that's what i have on my test wiki [16:19:09] sounds right then [16:19:57] I've just purged it on all the client sites [16:20:06] ok [16:20:36] * aude tries another browser [16:24:03] so... hoo's big link editing patch was merged. Is there a plan to deploy it? [16:24:42] aharoni: it's still experimental but we'll try to polish it up for the Feb 27 deployment [16:24:51] * aude can't promise but we'll try [16:24:53] fantastic. [16:25:15] Lydia_WMDE, thought you'd like to know: [16:25:28] * aude working currently to fix/ support the enhanced changes stuff [16:25:40] aude is the hero :) [16:25:43] once done with that, i can move on to next stuff [16:25:44] some people in the Hebrew Wikipedia became very very excited about Wikidata after the deployment. [16:25:51] indeed :) [16:25:52] aharoni: wohooooo :D [16:26:00] writing documentation, reporting bugs (throgh me, mostly) [16:26:06] aharoni: it's amazing how that suddenly raises awareness [16:26:08] translating property names [16:26:12] awesome! [16:26:16] nice [16:26:17] that's really good to hear [16:26:19] etc. [16:26:31] Denny_WMDE: ^ [16:26:35] there's at least one guy who understands properties much better than I do :) [16:26:40] haha [16:26:41] nice [16:27:21] ok, firefox is not really working for me.... :( [16:27:36] so, there is some constructive criticisms about bugs, which I bring up here or at bugzilla, but overall it comes along very well. [16:27:43] * aude has some old mwembed stuff somewhere that doesn't work anymore [16:28:11] aharoni: would you try https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5296 (maybe with ?debug=true) [16:28:22] trying [16:28:29] and add minwiki => Laman Utamo [16:28:33] that's the main page :) [16:28:52] ah, minangkabau, brand new [16:29:02] it says for me "links to pages are already set for all known sites" [16:29:09] glad to hear about the activity from hewiki :) [16:29:12] and the add link is grayed out [16:29:21] Oh, that's actually a useful page. [16:29:27] I suppose that it has all the languages. [16:29:29] yes [16:29:32] Good for testing proper display. [16:29:36] it should, except for minwiki [16:29:49] the same here [16:29:57] Denny_WMDE: link grayed out? [16:30:09] yes [16:30:16] when i do wb.getSites() it is missing but reedy tried clearing the memcached [16:30:31] works on my test instance, with memcached [16:30:36] (for a second I suspected that we don't have it in the ULS language db, but we do.) [16:30:53] hmm. sounds familiar. try asking front end. tobi, henning, danwe [16:31:11] it's always the memcached [16:31:16] yep, add link grayed out. [16:31:55] aharoni: thanks [16:41:11] Reedy: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/47880/ might help to kick the memcached [16:41:21] sure there must be a better way, though [16:42:06] if the get sites command didn't spew so much data in return.. [16:43:00] or try Sites::singleton()->getSites( false ); [16:43:30] the sites code changed a bit in the past few weeks so what you did before to "fix" it might not work now [16:43:32] That's what I ran [16:43:38] hmmmm [16:43:39] ok [16:44:57] or Sites::singleton()->getSite( 'minwiki' ); [16:45:03] see what that does? [16:45:51] or try Sites::singleton()->getSites( 'recache' ); [16:46:02] looks like it needs 'recache' now instead of false [16:48:18] Ah [16:48:32] > echo count( Sites::singleton()->getSites( false ) ); [16:48:33] 790 [16:48:33] > echo count( Sites::singleton()->getSites( 'recache' ) ); [16:48:33] 790 [16:48:34] ol [16:48:42] huh [16:49:10] calling getSite() shows what look to be a valid entry [16:49:20] hmmm, then maybe it's something else [16:50:30] Henning_WMDE: any suggestions? how we refresh wb.getSites() ? [16:50:40] the memcached seems to be refreshed [16:50:50] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Improvements to serializer code to facilitate unserialization" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44975 [16:51:13] it *just* worked on my test wiki, with memcached etc. [16:56:50] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Almost there :)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47852 [17:25:30] hi pouyana! [17:25:43] aharoni: hi :D [17:25:56] aharoni: how are you [17:26:02] fine :) [17:26:09] working from India this month. [17:26:18] aharoni: cool :D [17:26:35] excited about Wikidata? [17:26:40] it was fun to fix RTL bugs there :) [17:27:07] aharoni: yes, we are all excited to see the outcome [17:30:28] authority control propertys? is it a good idea to propose propertys like LCNAF, GND, SUDOC, VIAF? [17:33:00] pouyana: you have a lot of untranslated interface messages: https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=ext-wikibase-repo&language=fa&filter=!translated [17:34:25] aharoni: I will translate them gradually :) [17:34:29] cool [17:34:41] invite your friends. [17:35:04] aharoni: will [19:15:38] Who put bugs into my code? [19:15:45] I'm gonna kill him.. [19:17:02] should it be possible to add the same alias multiple items? [19:17:51] yes, but then only one of them should survive.. [19:17:59] Never checked it though.. [19:18:07] O_o [19:18:39] i got same http error, that why my bot send the same json object mutiple times: http://wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1885918&action=history [19:18:58] now three aliases were added three times [19:19:45] http://wikidata.org/wiki/Q1885918?uselang=id [19:20:33] and my bots adds baserevid [19:21:08] hm, something is wrong.. Can you write a bug about it? [19:26:46] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "minor cleanup of EntityView::selectTerms" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47905 [19:26:46] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 44755) language terms table has now edit features in JavaScript UI" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47906 [19:26:46] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 44755) improved tooltip for language terms table in edit mode" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47907 [19:26:47] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Language names in language terms table now links to the entity in that language" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47908 [19:26:47] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "EntityView::selectTerms improvements" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47909 [19:38:45] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44768 [19:42:32] why is the site notice about confirming admins in German now? [19:45:39] Moe_Epsilon: because of a language switch template? [19:48:56] hmm [19:49:18] well I'm set on English and it's reading German, so I guess it's not switching :P [19:49:49] Moe_Epsilon: I was having the same issue some days ago... [19:50:02] stil don´t know what caused it [19:50:36] aharoni: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Legobot except its running right now since TS replication is broken [19:59:42] Reedy: i think your last comment was for https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44753 wikidata site table does not read sitematrix or interwikimap [20:44:46] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47905 [21:22:21] Anyone object to me putting something into https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Newproperty-summary to warn about creating properties without discussion first? [21:23:17] sounds fine to me [21:23:22] OK. [21:27:39] Same here [21:28:43] Done: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Newproperty-summary // https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:NewProperty [21:28:59] Will post on the Proposed Properties page. [21:34:26] Actually, posted to project chat for those that might want to suggest improvements/etc.: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Notice_to_create_Properties_after_discussion [21:35:16] James_F: Made a change [21:35:58] Hazard-SJ: Fine by me; feel free to amend my copy on PC. :-) [21:43:05] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Step towards splitting the settings of lib, repo and client into dedicated interfaces" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48024 [21:43:05] James_F: Done: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/?diff=5993881 [21:43:50] Hazard-SJ: Interesting; that transclusion breaks the newline. [21:44:40] :O [21:47:59] Hazard-SJ: Found it; it's a known bug in the parser. [21:48:34] James_F: Something to do with
[21:48:56] Hazard-SJ: Yeah, apparently in some contexts the PHP parser decides that
s aren't actually block-level items. [21:48:57] * James_F sighs, [21:49:01] deeply. [21:50:15] James_F: https://www.wikidata.org/?diff=5994362 [21:50:41] * Hazard-SJ goes to file a PWB bug before he forgets [21:50:43] Hazard-SJ: Yeah, sorry, I did it from my other account. :-( [23:09:21] :O [23:22:36] James_F: wouldn't it just make sense to make the Property namespace editable by sysops only or something? [23:24:21] duh: Well, possibly, but that doesn't guarantee people being good (and is rather anti-wiki).