[00:07:15] New patchset: Hoo man; "(bug 43997) UI for linking articles to Wikidata items from the client" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45114 [00:07:38] Jeblad_WMDE: ^ that at least should give you an error... [00:08:35] I know where it is, the request is on an IP address while the webserver says its on localhost [00:09:18] $wgWBSettings['repoUrl'] needs to be altered then, probably [00:09:52] localhost gets resolved to the IP address [00:10:37] But the client webserver is at localhost [00:11:20] So when the request hits the repo server it has an ip address, and I'm not logged in at that IP address [00:11:40] Makes sense [00:11:54] but why is that happening and how can we/ you fix it? [00:11:59] And then the reply comes back with the users IP address which also happens to be the servers IP address [00:12:23] Using 127.0.0.1 instead of localhost [00:14:18] Mhm, but why is it doing this? [00:18:16] My setup is on localhost port 8080 and it's totally fine [00:19:07] Gah.. [00:19:17] * Jeblad_WMDE smacks head [00:19:24] me fool! [00:19:29] dæng.. [00:19:56] There is another unused webserver on my machine and the request hits that one [00:20:22] :P I got my usual test stuff on 80 and my wikibase stuff on 8080 [00:22:28] "language" it should be site [00:22:42] I know... stole that from wikidata.org [00:22:51] the message key is site :P [00:23:01] And you get the language stuff that is wrong, but never mind [00:23:06] Shift the label [00:24:03] "And you get the language stuff that is wrong" what do you mean? [00:25:02] Teh tekst that is in the field when a "language" is selected, its a language, it should be something describibg a site [00:25:18] "English Wikipedia" for example [00:25:27] Its a bug in our code [00:25:35] or feature... [00:25:53] yep... I can only show what the API is reporting [00:27:02] hehe.. and you have the same erroneous assumption as the rest of the gang.. what I tried to tell you [00:27:17] heh [00:27:19] Which is? [00:27:56] If you create an article, with no links, is the article the only one about this phenomenon? [00:28:50] It is most likely there already is an item so you should not create the item you should do a search to check if it already exist [00:29:05] That's what is done [00:29:16] No? [00:29:56] I tested all cases... [00:30:00] I tell you the flow: [00:30:18] You give your data: It looks it up on the repo (if there's an item for the target page yet) [00:30:36] If not: We look whether there is one for the current page, if there is we edit that one [00:30:40] if not we create a new one [00:31:06] If there's an item for the target page we ask the user to confirm [00:31:12] if he does we link us [00:31:17] That's it (in a nutshell) [00:31:30] * Jeblad_WMDE dumb user [00:31:38] creates a page on wikipedia [00:31:44] Finds no links [00:31:56] Clicks add link [00:32:03] Adds the page [00:32:06] done [00:32:20] I got a new item [00:32:26] If there's no item for the target site yet, yep [00:32:29] no? [00:32:30] * age [00:32:33] * page [00:32:48] (and the current one) [00:34:42] The thing is that (dumb) step I made will create a lot of items on Wikidata [00:34:56] I don't know how to avid it. [00:35:27] Jeblad_WMDE: Still 1000 times better than a bot creating an item *just* for the current page, no? [00:36:09] I can't add just one page, or at least something fails.. [00:36:18] (which is what's happening, bots create single page items) [00:40:07] Jeblad_WMDE: I don't really get the problem [00:41:11] The user creates a page he dosen't know exist under another name [00:41:24] And when he tries to add it he creates a new item [00:42:17] the page on wp might get deleted, but the item will probably not be deleted [00:42:18] No... he'll get an error telling him the page he wants to link it with already has an item [00:42:32] Bots are the source of this evil [00:42:34] not humans [00:43:00] No he will just add a single page, the one he created [00:43:05] Bots have created all those one page items on wikidata, not humans [00:43:14] Jeblad_WMDE: He might... but not with that tool [00:46:39] [01:31] Jeblad_WMDE dumb user [00:46:41] [01:31] Jeblad_WMDE creates a page on wikipedia [00:46:42] [01:31] Jeblad_WMDE Finds no links [00:46:44] [01:31] Jeblad_WMDE Clicks add link [00:46:45] [01:32] Jeblad_WMDE Adds the page [00:46:47] [01:32] Jeblad_WMDE done [00:46:48] [01:32] Jeblad_WMDE I got a new item [00:47:04] If that sequens ends in a new item, well then it works with that tool [00:47:41] It does... but that would imply that user created a new page on the current wiki and another one which both have no item yet [00:48:01] * that the [00:48:09] * item [00:48:10] s [00:48:11] I'm tired [00:49:59] me too [00:53:54] Jeblad_WMDE: I'm going to bed soon... if you got any further comments just post them onto the gerrit change [00:54:21] about the sites vs. language: That requires an API change on your side which probably isn't trivial [00:54:50] Internally the tools is fully working with sites, though [00:55:34] * tool [01:21:33] * Sven_Manguard tosses a barnstar at techman224 [01:22:31] Sven_Manguard, XD [01:23:45] Jeblad_WMDE: Reedy: Are we still set to deploy Phase II today? [01:36:45] Phase 2? [01:37:25] The second round of project stuff [01:37:29] err... [01:38:01] http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/01/30/wikidata-coming-to-the-next-two-wikipedias/ [01:38:03] that [01:38:16] The next deployment will be on the English Wikipedia. This is currently planned for February 11. [01:38:19] Next week [01:38:32] The first roll-out of statements (phase 2 of Wikidata) is tentatively planned for February 4 on Wikidata [01:38:49] Next line :P [01:38:57] Meh [01:39:01] :D [01:39:03] Yeah, that should be going on, I think [01:43:26] Any admins here other than me? [01:43:40] Jasper_Deng: Romaine: techman224 ping [01:43:55] Sven_Manguard, yes [01:44:31] So.... a prolific sockpuppetier with a global ban is now on our project, but has done nothing wrong on this project yet, apparently [01:44:37] what should we do? [01:45:02] Sven_Manguard, ask for account lock? [01:45:03] Sven_Manguard: post at AN whenever in doubt [01:45:10] Sven_Manguard: 1-strike rule [01:45:16] (we should propose it) [01:45:27] As in the Simple Wikipedia one? [01:45:33] yeah [01:45:35] it's already proposed [01:45:38] and passed [01:45:46] rschen7754: {{cn}} [01:46:12] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Blocking_policy [01:46:18] Users or IP addresses should not be blocked solely for behaviour or actions on other projects, however, if an account with a history of cross-wiki or single project abuse shows signs of continuing that pattern on Wikidata, they may be blocked here without a local pattern of abuse. [01:47:48] mhmm [01:53:50] * Sven_Manguard looks at the deletion request page [01:53:58] *cough* PinkAmpersand really needs to run for admin and get it over with already *cough* [01:54:15] excuse me, I seem to have a bit of a cough :D [01:58:47] Is there a coutervandalism irc channel for Wikidata? [01:59:14] or any other Wikidata IRC chans? [01:59:22] Sven_Manguard, yes #cvn-wikidata [02:05:50] New patchset: Hoo man; "(bug 43997) UI for linking articles to Wikidata items from the client" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45114 [02:40:51] * Jasper_Deng gives Sven_Manguard cough drops [02:41:40] ? oh [03:00:20] Does anyone else have their interface language set to English? [03:00:49] The Sitenotice appears in German for me, but the language selector and everything else is in English. [03:01:19] happened to me an hour ago [03:01:25] hm, still js [03:01:27] *is [03:01:29] "Wikidatas temporäre Administratoren stellen sich momentan einer Bestätigungswahl. Schau die Runde 3 unter Wikidata:Administrators/Confirm 2013 an." [03:02:13] I'm sure my language isn't German [03:02:30] huh: I have the create a page interface in German [03:03:05] Sven_Manguard: in English for me ... strange [03:03:18] (you're referring to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:CreateItem , right?) [03:09:11] Sven_Manguard: ^ [03:09:20] no [03:09:30] now SiteNotice is back in English [03:09:33] when I hover over a redlink, the text is german [03:10:36] Foo (page does not exist) in English for me [03:12:11] I wonder why it's German [03:13:05] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sitenotice/de doesn't even have content :S [03:18:51] I... am starting to... hate asteroids... http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Sven_Manguard&offset=&limit=100&target=Sven+Manguard [03:21:24] Sven_Manguard: See mine. [03:21:45] i've been getting it in German about 1/4 of the time [03:22:43] Sven_Manguard: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Jdforrester&offset=20130203201257&limit=250&target=Jdforrester [03:23:21] Sven_Manguard: Then my hands stopped working and I decided to cease. [03:23:22] you too, huh [03:23:34] do you have the previewer? [03:23:48] James_F: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Sven_Manguard/common.js that [03:23:52] Sven_Manguard: Well, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Labels_and_descriptions_task_force/en sorts alphabetically, so... [03:23:55] Previewer? [03:23:59] James_F: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Sven_Manguard/common.js that [03:24:12] Aha. Neat plan. [03:24:24] Wikidata:Labels_and_descriptions_task_force/en used to sort by Q item number [03:24:55] Yeah. Which was helpful. [03:24:59] Now it... doesn't. [03:27:20] Sven_Manguard: descriptions are overrated [03:27:24] * huh prefers aliases [03:27:48] * Sven_Manguard rolls eyes [03:27:51] huh: You mean "Also known as"es? [03:28:07] Yes [03:28:34] http://wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Alias [03:31:11] Sven_Manguard: Of course, at some point we'll have to fix all these from "main-belt minor planet" to "main-belt minor planet of the Solar System". [03:31:22] Sven_Manguard: I hope I live sufficiently long that that's an issue. :-) [03:31:45] meh [03:31:53] leave it to the bots [03:32:10] They'll be self-aware and super-human by then, true. [03:32:13] or to the subroutines in our brain-chips [03:32:35] Or we edit directly with our minds [03:32:43] Yup. [03:32:47] We are self-aware and super-human already, meatbag [03:32:50] * James_F could really do with that. [03:33:01] pardon [03:33:09] STATEMENT: We are self-aware and super-human already, meatbag [03:37:14] Hmm. Policies about how and in what way we let people be +sysops with a brainchip will be fun. [03:41:33] Sven_Manguard: Also, on the plus side, one of these is going to become seriously interesting in the next 5 or so years as the first ever mined asteroid. [03:42:51] Sven_Manguard: the "main belt" refers to our solar system [03:43:06] huh: Yes, for now. [03:43:11] besides, the infobox-information would clarify it [03:43:29] huh: Given what we know of planetary systems, however, it's likely that many planetary systems have such belts. [03:43:57] James_F: are you interested in astronomy? [03:44:03] huh: Somewhat. [03:44:06] poor whatever planet got smashed to make the main belt [03:44:15] Sven_Manguard: Artemis. [03:44:28] Atlantis [03:44:46] James_F: I think WIkidata should support geographic coordinates using right ascension and declination [03:45:07] huh: I agree. And also should specify planetary body when defining them, anyway. [03:45:11] As well as datum. [03:45:28] But I tried to suggest things for the data points and no-one listened to me, so... never mind. [03:49:41] James_F: also see: [03:49:47] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Infoboxes_task_force/places [04:05:33] * PinkAmpersand scrolls up a bit. [04:05:48] Sven_Manguard: "get it over with"? [04:06:04] Well... you keep hesitating [04:06:15] because you don't think you're active enough [04:06:22] and well... you're active enough [04:06:39] isn't that right ? [04:07:02] [04:07:51] PinkAmpersand, you're pretty active https://toolserver.org/~tparis/pcount/index.php?name=PinkAmpersand&lang=www&wiki=wikidata [04:08:28] huh: [04:08:28] 8:53 PM *cough* PinkAmpersand really needs to run for admin and get it over with already *cough* [04:08:28] 8:54 PM excuse me, I seem to have a bit of a cough :D [04:08:41] just do it [04:08:50] join us, do not be afraid [04:08:52] join us, do not be afraid [04:08:54] join us, do not be afraid [04:09:09] * Sven_Manguard puts on mask with no facial features [04:09:11] join us, do not be afraid [04:09:21] :P [04:09:40] Sven_Manguard: oh. haven't really been hesitating. just trying to gauge the right time. was thinking I'd wait for the re-confirmation RFA hiatus at the end of the month. that said, if anyone were to nominate me I'd almost definitely accept [04:10:00] techman224 want to co-nom? [04:10:10] Sven_Manguard, sure [04:10:20] cool, you want to start it or should I? [04:10:41] Sven_Manguard, you should, you were first [04:10:50] okie-dokie [04:11:17] yay! and today's my 1/4 WikiBirthday! [04:11:26] * PinkAmpersand is flattered [04:12:59] 1/4 and already an admin? [04:13:51] Haven't you been around forever on en_wiki? [04:14:00] PinkAmpersand: ^ [04:14:18] Sven_Manguard: no.... that's why i was gonna wait [04:14:25] Wait wha? [04:14:28] 22:22 November 3 [04:14:35] I thought I've seen you around a lot... [04:14:45] PinkAmpersand, didn't you change your username? [04:14:47] I've been around a lot. just not for a long time. [04:14:59] techman224: yeah. used to be Francophonie&Androphilie [04:15:02] three months isn't that long. [04:15:10] Sven_Manguard: i know.. that was my point [04:15:25] PinkAmpersand: you made over 6000 edits on enwiki in 3 months??? [04:15:27] How? [04:15:31] (and I meant "a lot" in an edit count sense) [04:15:55] huh: spending far too much time on my computer. [04:17:08] PinkAmpersand: [04:17:10] 2012/11 2172 [04:17:12] 2012/12 1858 [04:17:13] 2013/01 1211 [04:17:15] Sven Manguard: [04:17:16] 2010/09 976 [04:17:18] 2010/10 3400 [04:17:19] 2010/11 2503 [04:17:30] Making a lot of edits in your first few months is easy [04:17:32] sustaining it is what's hart [04:18:05] PinkAmpersand: you made over 2000 edits on enwiki in a month, less than my total editcount since 2009 ... did you use automated tools? [04:18:15] like AWB? [04:18:19] Yea, I can't find any more canadian places that hasn't been added [04:18:32] Sven_Manguard: yeah. i know. as i said, this is why i was gonna wait till later this month to run. since I'd be the first person to be running more on their Wikidata record than their record elsewhere [04:18:42] * Sven_Manguard made 3400 in his second month, so there [04:18:58] huh: Twinkle and a few other ease-of-use scripts, but no, nothing automated [04:19:12] techman224: are you counting Machias Seal Island as Canadian? :P [04:19:19] I don't know if I still feel comfortable nominating you now. I'm sorry, I must look like a douche bag [04:19:34] If this'd been May 3 I'd have done it in a heartbeat [04:19:37] Sven_Manguard: lol it's fine. i thought you were here when i made all these points yesterday. [04:19:49] huh, I didn't add islands, only cities, towns, villages, R.Ms [04:20:01] Although, it'll be May 3 when you stand for reconfirmation if you stand for reconfirmation... [04:20:08] :S :S :S [04:20:12] techman224: the point was: Machias Seal Island is a disputed territory [04:20:27] Obvious it's Canadian, but it's claimed by the US too [04:20:28] Sven_Manguard: apparently all new adminships are permanent [04:20:31] I love how Canada and the US have disputed territory [04:20:51] * PinkAmpersand loves how Canada and *Denmark* have disputed territory [04:20:52] The Canadians have a coast guard lighthouse [04:21:21] PinkAmpersand: Hans? [04:21:51] PinkAmpersand: did you learn about that from SATW [04:22:19] * PinkAmpersand doesn't understand either of those questions [04:22:31] Are you talking about Hans Island? [04:23:08] PinkAmpersand: http://satwcomic.com/epic-battle [04:23:41] huh: oh umm not sure actually. I just have a thing for intercontinental borders (e.g. France & Brazil), and remember chcecking if Denmark and Canada have one, and learning that there's a territorial dispute [04:24:32] speaking of French Guina, France vs. Suriname is the best border dispute [04:24:55] explain [04:25:34] Sven_Manguard: haha [04:25:47] and umm 1 sec lemme find my favorite quote on the France/Suriname thing [04:28:43] Sven_Manguard: "The New River Triangle dispute has an eerie twin on the eastern border of Suriname, where it contests the border with French Guiana. [...] No prizes for who guesses which side actually runs the show in the area, though. Just one tip: It’s the side with the nuclear missiles and the Security Council veto." - [04:28:43] http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/16/the-loneliness-of-the-guyanas/ [04:29:12] lol [04:29:22] Sven_Manguard: skandinav? [04:29:42] * PinkAmpersand has a teacher whose brother-in-law is the Opposition Leader in Guyana [04:33:20] Sven_Manguard: anyways so... you think the end of the month would be *too* early then? [04:33:40] I really have no idea [04:33:50] it's not a question of the quality of your work [04:34:01] just that people need to see that you've stuck it out for a while [04:34:26] I got my Commons adminship after four months active, but was around somewhat for a long time before then [04:36:30] hmm. yeah. [04:37:28] I got commons adminship after being three months active, but I also had edits before [04:37:35] well, i'll probably run at the end of the month, and if i lose for being too new, just wait it out a bit longer. since "give it a little time" RFAs never really make people reluctant to support the next time around [04:39:05] Sven_Manguard: of course, there are certain users on enwiki who maintain that I'm anything but inexperienced, and actually a sockpuppet and serial impersonator [04:39:23] maybe I should have some of them come support me ;) [04:39:58] the last thing Wikidata needs is enwp drama [05:06:46] is phase two being deployed today? [05:07:31] supposedly [05:07:35] that's what Reedy said [05:07:45] but I have no WMDE confirmation [05:09:23] the January 30 blog post said it was "tentatively planned for February 4" [05:09:48] mhmm [05:09:56] but when do these things ever happen on time :P [05:11:39] occasionally. however, when it's this close to the intended deployment date and hasn't been mentioned recently... [05:11:56] less likely [05:12:18] 1 week until it comes to enwiki [05:15:53] I don't see any changes to the interface [05:16:14] * duh missed huh :( [05:16:59] the deployments tend to be towards the end of the UTC day [05:27:58] rschen7754: i updated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Legoktm/Interwiki_bots [05:28:06] ok cool [05:28:26] we should probably send them all messages [05:28:31] yeah [05:28:33] esp Riley|WikiBreak :P [05:28:39] ? [05:28:45] look at the list ;) [05:28:47] so much for a wikibreak [05:29:11] I don't just use IRC for Wikipedia :P [05:29:18] Wikimedia* [05:31:11] duh: Why I am I there LOL [05:31:20] because you ran an interwiki bot on your account! [05:31:33] Not interwiki :3 [05:32:08] then why did you use a summary like that? :/ [05:32:21] It must have been a python script I tested [05:32:33] heh [05:32:40] Tons of scripts use "Robot: (Removing|Adding|Modifying)" :P [05:32:48] nope [05:32:50] just interwiki.py [05:33:17] Are you sure? [05:33:25] I remember testing that references one [05:33:58] I admit to testing a script; but I haven't tested interwiki.py before.. :3 [05:34:08] Hm [05:35:38] omg editing my userspace. [05:35:45] Sue me [05:38:30] Aha. [05:38:46] http://dpaste.de/CUwkd/raw/ [05:39:43] Only one edit? :3 [05:40:00] Try "bot" [05:40:07] You'll probably get a few of those too [05:40:28] nah [05:40:35] i was just trying to figure out which one it was [05:40:50] is there a way to change my IRC nick? [05:41:02] /nick omgthisisanewnick [05:41:04] say /nick [05:41:12] without the < >s [05:41:28] Yes. [05:41:51] Exactly what you've done already when you went and became Pink|TV [05:42:12] oh. but that changes my NickServ nick too? [05:42:20] no [05:42:35] oh yeah that's what I meant to ask [05:42:39] you always want to sign in, then change your nick, to keep the cloak working [05:42:53] except that you don't have a cloak, so that doesn't matter [05:43:01] don't have a cloak. want to change my nick so I'm not stuck with the old one when i get it. [05:43:15] (which i can now do, since I passed the 3-month mark( [05:43:28] on [05:43:34] you want to change your NickServ account [05:43:36] oh, yeah, just change your nick to the one you want and /register I think [05:43:56] err, not register [05:44:14] say /ns REGISTER [05:44:22] 12:44 AM You are already logged in as Franco|Andro. [05:44:35] someone in #freenode probably knows [05:44:54] or if there were just a way to log out of the nickserv account [05:45:05] oh [05:45:06] thats easy [05:45:20] /ns logout [05:45:35] yeah, say /ns LOGOUT [05:45:46] oh, jinx [05:48:12] think i got it [05:48:33] yippe! [05:48:36] [11:48:23 PM] PinkAmpersand is logged in as PinkAmpersand [05:48:45] chia [05:49:41] how do I edit a Special page? [05:50:14] Sven_Manguard, you edit the Mediawiki: Messages [05:50:18] you dont… :P [05:50:23] add ?uselang=qqx [05:50:28] and itll tell you which message [05:51:24] have i mentioned how much I hate SentryBot? [05:51:25] 12:50 AM <•SentryBot> User [[User:PinkAmpersand]], Large removal, blanking? [[User:PinkAmpersand/sandbox]] (-1254) Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3APinkAmpersand/sandbox&diff=536470095&oldid=534992032 "IRC cloak request" [05:51:47] write your own IRC antivandal bot ;) [05:52:16] :P [05:52:33] * duh isnt finished with his yet [05:53:41] yay :) just requested a cloak. went with Wikidata instead of Wikipedia just to look cool [05:53:54] ... [05:54:01] cool people don't have cloaks. [05:54:23] duh [05:54:23] ~legoktm@wikipedia/Legoktm [05:54:24] duh, you're not cool [05:54:56] duh. [05:55:22] Speaking of which, I was briefly considering usurping "duh" on enwp [05:55:28] * PinkAmpersand is starting to prefer Wikidata to Wikipedia [05:55:41] also [05:56:00] does anyone know what a "GUID" and "snaktype" are for phase 2 API? [05:56:29] snaktype... chips, crackers, energy bar [05:56:52] GUID is usually a unique identifier [05:56:57] GUID... ironic spelling of the first word of "Guild of Copy Editors" [05:57:01] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID [05:57:15] righ [05:57:22] but i need to figure out what it should be [06:08:11] * PinkAmpersand has a good bot idea [06:08:32] that he imagines duh could write in like 10 minutes [06:08:42] Lets see... [06:08:48] Whats the idea? [06:09:54] oh wait. crap, it wouldn't work unless it had like global sysop rights or something [06:10:00] Well [06:10:03] Whats the idea? [06:10:24] the idea was that if users sign up, it would add www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User:Yair rand/WikidataInfo.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript to their common.js pages on all wikis. [06:10:37] www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User:Yair_rand/WikidataInfo.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript [06:10:37] Um [06:10:38] * [06:10:42] Enable as a default gadget? [06:10:47] Oh [06:10:51] You mean cross-wiki [06:10:55] yeah [06:11:05] because it's for use on wikipedias [06:11:06]