[00:00:13] saved [00:00:30] Could an admin idling in here do the pointless official "closing" of each section? [00:00:43] I could do most of them I suppose. [00:00:56] Ajraddatz: here, here! [00:00:59] * hoo always wanted to close his own RfA :P [00:01:03] lol hoo :D [00:01:08] i can post at SRP, i don't think that needs someone uninvolved [00:01:37] nothing should need someone uninvolved, it's just number crunching :P - but as we've been over, maybe Sannita could do it. [00:02:02] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Administrators/Confirm_2013/2 right? [00:02:02] (nothing WRT these confirmations anyways) [00:02:04] yeah. [00:02:06] thanks! [00:02:19] I'll be done in a moment (cit.) [00:06:43] ok, i'm ready to go, just waiting on the closes [00:11:22] ok, saving to meta [00:11:50] Hey you edit conflict me [00:12:03] oh, you were doing it? sorry… :/ [00:13:17] skid... [00:13:54] awkward [00:14:01] rschen7754: skid and I did it (of course he conflicted me) [00:14:18] yeah, seems techman224 and i conflicted on meta :P [00:14:27] :D [00:14:39] anyway, last three aren't confirmed [00:14:48] yup [00:18:09] so we're at a -7 plus the resignations we've had [00:18:51] are we waiting for something to request the formal desysops? [00:19:03] Pink|AwayOrIdk: the stewards will do it once hte three months expires [00:19:06] no need to do that, they will be removed when the temp. adminship expires [00:19:09] ahh [00:21:18] * Jasper_Deng waves to Ajraddatz [00:21:23] hi [00:21:46] Ajraddatz: ensure that my French in my nom statement is comprehensible [00:21:59] so that puts us through all the november 8 admins [00:22:07] now we're doing november 9-10 [00:23:12] Jasper_Deng, it looks good to me, but I do not have very good French. [00:23:32] I understand it but don't know if it's all good grammatically 'n' such. [00:23:42] as long as we can comprehend it [00:25:57] Jasper_Deng: le nombre DE mes modifications [00:26:50] yeah I figured [00:26:56] and "selon" probably isn't the best word... i'm blanking on the right one [00:26:59] though [00:27:41] PinkAmpersand, es-tu canadienne? [00:27:53] / canadien [00:27:56] non... ni suis je canadiEN [00:28:03] oh haha [00:28:08] lol [00:28:28] * Jasper_Deng est né en Canada [00:28:33] * PinkAmpersand wishes there were a way the {{gender}} parser could work on IRC [00:28:52] * Ajraddatz wishes that genders didn't matter in French... sooo much easier D: [00:29:00] * techman224 wants to learn French [00:29:08] Ajraddatz: German is even worse - 3 genders [00:29:14] three?????????? [00:29:28] Ajraddatz: Male, female and things :P [00:29:30] Ajraddatz: je suis américain, mais j'ai vécu en France pendant une année quand j'étais petit, et on parle beaucoup de français à mon école [00:29:41] though the usage is totally incosistent [00:29:46] ಠ_ಠ wut [00:29:47] That's pretty cool. [00:29:51] hoo: isn't "girl" neuter or something? [00:30:06] hoo, are you a thing? xD [00:30:18] Ajraddatz: Well, for persons it's consistent, at least :P [00:30:20] hoo's a *man* ;) [00:30:27] PinkAmpersand: I don't get that question :P [00:30:50] i read that somewhere... that the German word for "girl" is neuter, not feminine [00:31:22] PinkAmpersand: That's true [00:31:24] and weird [00:31:27] yeah... [00:31:31] weird is right [00:31:43] or wyrd, since we're being Germanic [00:32:44] PinkAmpersand: As you see... German totally makes sense :P [00:33:08] I wish that we could be rolling out phase II rather than worry about these RfAs. Anyone know why it's been delayed? [00:33:12] in French, "personne" is always feminine, so you can say "cette personne - elle est un homme!" [00:33:42] at least, that's what I've always been told... it's a weird enough concept that I generally just avoid it myself [00:33:50] (and why we haven't deployed phase I over all of the ~~internet~~ wikipedias?) [00:34:02] bah, I should stop complaining and become a master coder :( [00:36:00] I was looking at the Obama item the other day, and thought, you know, just for teh lolz, we should include Conservapedia ;) [00:36:10] wow everyone's passing round 3 except for 1 [00:36:33] heh [00:36:35] it's too early to make predictions [00:36:48] conservapedia for official wmf project status [00:36:57] I'd support. We need a good humour site :P [00:37:05] The WMF board wouldn't accept [00:37:16] (otherwise it would be on by now) [00:37:18] Isn't there encyclopedia? [00:37:24] *uncyclopedia [00:37:37] It's Wikia [00:38:00] (which has lagged in IPv6 deployment....) [00:38:23] It's actually off Wikia now, as of a month ago. While uncyclopedia is awesome, nobody can beat conservapedia for funny jokes :P [00:39:02] I think we should have a campaign on en-wiki to include Conservapedia and Uncyclopedia in {{Sister project links}}... à la http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Conservapedia [00:39:05] Is there a liberalpedia or something too? I bet it would be equally and oppositely funny :p [00:39:27] what about ED? [00:39:37] Ajraddatz: it's called the enwp.org/Conservapedia article on enwiki ;) [00:39:43] hehe [00:39:53] ED is just a porn hub [00:40:05] hence the liberalpedia-ness [00:40:27] if that's not one of the rules of the internet, it should be... the more liberal a site's politics, the greater percentage of porn it contains [00:40:49] well, weird porn, at least. like tumblr .gif porn, which is just.... strange [00:41:11] the funniest thing about them actually is the way they call log entries [00:41:22] (at least to me) [00:41:38] I like uncyc's huff log instead of deletion log [00:41:42] * Ajraddatz checks ED [00:42:05] "resurrected" instead of unblocked [00:42:09] "plumbing log" lol [00:44:43] The new site is at http://en.uncyclopedia.co/ [00:44:59] they've changed their domain like a gazillion times [00:45:23] ED has like 3 forks now [00:45:34] The domains for the different languages are not consistent. [00:50:26] btw, the funniest inadvertently funny conservative website is massresistance.org, which seems to think that scare quotes discredit absolutely anything [00:51:02] how ironic [00:51:20] heh [00:51:26] free uncyclopedia will live [00:51:35] Jasper_Deng: thats because wikia wont give up .org [00:52:28] duh: for ED? [00:52:39] oh i thought you were talking about uncyclopedia [00:52:49] ED is just stupid [01:24:51] can someone please import enwp.org/Template:Tlsu ? {{Subst only}} relies on it for non-templatespace pages [01:26:27] PinkAmpersand: Looks ok to me [01:26:39] hmm? [01:26:52] Will do ;) [01:27:08] thanks :) [01:28:17] PinkAmpersand: Here you go: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Tlsu&action=history Do the necessary clean up work, please [01:28:55] such as? [01:29:15] Dunno let me have a look :P [01:29:51] PinkAmpersand, hoo: Just corrected a link [01:30:05] It links to "Wikipedia:Substitution" and has no doc [01:30:16] Jasper_Deng: Thanks... [01:30:27] Look ok despite ;) [01:30:35] ahh good call [01:31:07] well, you can import the doc page if you want. but it's really just a behind-the-scenes template [01:31:49] I guess it's ok as is [01:31:50] Jasper_Deng: mind if I change the link to a local one (i.e. the item # for Wikipedia:Substitution) if we have one? [01:31:58] PinkAmpersand: we don't have one [01:32:12] hoo: i think there's a category it should go in... I'll find it later [01:32:13] it definitely wouldn't be as helpful [01:32:36] Jasper_Deng: aww but i kinda like using local links for that stuff :/ [01:32:53] PinkAmpersand: then let's make a project page [01:33:04] it's not like things like our blocking policy have to be items [01:33:15] PinkAmpersand: "Templates" [01:33:26] and maybe Category:Template:Subst only [01:33:44] Jasper_Deng: you might as well revert me at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Shortcut , then [01:33:58] hoo: no, i think that's for templates that should be substituted [01:34:23] PinkAmpersand: ah, right... I'm tired [01:49:42] PinkAmpersand: no big deal btw, you can revert me [01:49:56] (but be prepared to defend the action) [03:22:14] Anyone here interested in astronomy? [03:24:42] Or astrophysics for that matter? [03:26:13] Widewuto, what do you need? [03:26:56] techman224: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Infoboxes_task_force/places <- is there a way to implement these things yet? [03:27:35] Widewuto, phase 2 gets deployed on Monday [03:28:06] But, according to Meta, Wikidata's geographic coordinates only support locations on Earth. [03:28:23] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Data_model#Geographic_locations [03:28:34] geographic locations won't be in for a while [03:29:17] Widewuto, you can propose it at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal [03:29:30] It would be GREAT if we could support this -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equatorial_coordinate_system [03:29:54] to locate objects on the celestial sphere [03:32:41] Even better, the [[w:celestial coordinate system]] [03:33:06] (all of the major ones) [03:33:45] Widewuto, that's a lot to propose [03:34:13] techman224: we could stick to just the equatorial coordinate system if needed [03:34:56] Widewuto, we need something for things in space [03:35:22] rschen7754: can we use Wikidata to specify relative positions? [03:35:33] Widewuto: no idea [03:35:54] keep in mind that only the commons files and other item types get deployed on monday [03:37:05] techman224: so will it eventually be fixed? [03:37:17] "other item types" ? [03:37:53] Widewuto, only two datatypes will be supported at launch [03:38:01] http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/01/30/wikidata-coming-to-the-next-two-wikipedias/ [03:40:47] techman224: http://essayweb.net/astronomy/coordinates.shtml [03:43:51] Alternatively we could just use right ascension and declension as separate parameters of the "infobox", would that work? [03:44:14] I'm not an astronomer, but we should be comprehensive in our properties [03:47:09] So should we use separate parameters for right ascension, declination? [04:03:11] State of the art positioning on earth is now in the millimetre range [04:03:30] Try to make systems that maintain precission [04:14:03] techman224, why block those IPs? and for such a long time? [04:14:13] Ajraddatz, open proxies [04:14:21] but they will never be used again [04:14:25] and that isn't even a good reason [04:14:45] Open proxies always get blocked for a long time [04:14:51] for what reason? [04:14:54] yeah, the stewards even do it globally [04:15:16] I requested one, and it got blocked for two years [04:15:22] for what reason? [04:15:24] because open proxies are easy to abuse [04:15:32] wikis are easy to abuse... [04:16:04] well by your logic, we should throw out the abuse filter then [04:16:04] Sorry. I just don't understand the need to block IPs which won't be used again for spam anyways, and will most likely be globally blocked as well. [04:16:32] Actually, the abuse filter made is also useless, since it doesn't work in the mainspace yet. [04:16:38] open proxies are the same as shared accounts [04:17:11] yes, they can be [04:17:46] Ajraddatz, I thought they fixed that [04:18:13] they're holding off the fix pending some discussion [04:22:42] Is there a bug? [04:22:52] …or discussion? [04:22:57] on project chat [04:23:07] I think it just doesn't work on the wikibase stuff yet [04:23:52] it still helps with spambots [04:24:13] rschen7754, my filter is not working [04:24:38] oh I forgot, it was a different url [04:24:41] did you take it from somewhere? [04:25:01] rschen7754, I created it and tested it on a edit before it got reverted [04:25:12] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/examine?wpSearchUser=84.157.221.86&wpSearchPeriodStart=&wpSearchPeriodEnd=&submit=1&title=Special%3AAbuseFilter%2Fexamine [04:25:12] it helps with spambots, just not in the main space (iirc) [04:25:44] yeah there's a lot of userspace spambotting [04:25:45] The problem with examining is that it can't get to deleted items [04:25:46] WMF wide [04:27:05] I also think that the spam blacklist doesn't work either [04:27:27] it probably doesn't [04:27:38] but the sbl is antiquated technology anyways [04:27:49] I hope they replace it with phalanx soon. [04:29:09] and yeah, the abusefilter can help against the userpage spam. This current filter is against the mainspace spammers though. [04:30:21] rschen7754, how is the roads taskforce thing going? [04:30:37] caek: going pretty well [04:30:47] my guess is 90% of the roads in the US have items [04:30:52] that's pretty good [04:31:01] and some editors from dewp are working on europe [04:31:15] I've never really followed the task forces, maybe I'll have a quick look through a filter recentchanges before heading to bed... [04:31:15] working on proposing stuff for phase 2 now [04:31:39] I wish they'd hurry up, with both deployment of phase I and releasing phase II [04:31:50] but, I can't really complain because I can't help :p [04:32:13] phase 2 is being deployed on Monday [04:32:33] well, phase 2A technically [04:33:01] :o [04:33:11] fully functional? what won't be part of it? [04:33:37] the only fields that will be part of it are commons files, and links to other WD items [04:33:56] ah [04:34:05] oh well, a start at least [04:36:45] I never knew wiktionary had other languages in English [04:41:54] les wikipédistes [04:55:56] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal#Roads [06:58:30] item 4,000,000. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q4000000 description from someone who speaks German, please, so I can put it on WD:NEWS? [06:59:01] yippe [07:03:48] yay 4M [07:04:03] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:News&diff=5605871&oldid=5494376 [07:04:13] the honor goes to some IP with very very good timing [08:01:11] * PinkAmpersand needs a second opinion on something from someone else who speakes French [08:02:33] Wiki13: you around? [08:13:11] PinkAmpersand: now, yes... [08:13:23] ahh. you speak a little French, right? [08:15:28] my babel says 1 :P [08:15:40] so, the basics I would day :P [08:15:44] say [08:16:24] better than nothing :P [08:16:55] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Behind ... do you think it should go with https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2307461# or https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1027525 ? [08:18:44] 2nd one I think [08:19:03] as it sums up some books of the series, right? [08:20:20] yeah. that's what i thought too. it's just that it's *nominally* about the book [08:20:31] but way more of the content seems to be about the series in general [08:20:37] just a poorly written article :P [08:21:10] hehe, indeed [08:51:13] hello [10:38:17] all right, the round 2 confirmations went through meta [12:42:33] mh I'm wondering about a new abusefilter [12:42:53] currently main namespace is not supposed to have any external link [12:43:24] Hallo [12:43:43] hi Amir [12:44:23] Afaik, to add a title to an item in a different language, one must switch the interface to that language. [12:44:59] Isn't there an easier way to add a title in a different language? [12:45:26] It's becoming a frequent scenario now: [12:46:27] I may want to create an item page for an entity, about which there's an article only in Hebrew, [12:47:23] And to make it easier to find for people who know English I'd like to add a title in English. [12:48:05] But switching the whole interface back and forth is not so convenient. [16:42:37] Anyone around who can give me voice (or better op) in #cvn-wikidata? [17:44:41] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 44538) jQuery.wikibase.listview.ListItemAdapter value awareness" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47217 [17:44:41] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 44538) add/removeListItem functions for wb.listview plus related events" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47218 [17:44:41] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 44538) Simple counter for statementview's references" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47219 [17:45:52] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Refactoring of PropertyEditTool's counter into a more generic function" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47220 [17:49:44] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Refactoring of PropertyEditTool's counter into a more generic function" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47220 [17:55:59] Heyho :) . [17:56:12] First IRC try in Wikidata content. [17:56:18] It works :) . [17:58:19] Hello Jeblad_WMDE- [18:39:39] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 44538) using wb.utilities.buildPendingCounter() for references counter now" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47226 [19:05:16] sly move there, Stryn, starting from the bottom ;) [19:07:06] yeah, I don't wanna conflicts :) [19:07:47] bonus points for adding a Finnish label and description to the one I screwed up :P [19:09:28] :D [19:09:34] and either that or you want all the deletions for yourself ;) admin log actions are a precious commodity. i've been thinking of offering admins who need to get their stats up a heads-up when I'm amount to file a request, in exchange for a small cash contribution, of course ;) [19:10:30] I'm not going to delete items just for getting my stats look better ;) [19:10:58] haha i know. i'm teasing. since all the admins at RfA are complaining that there's never any work to do [19:12:05] there were not, but now there is much work, because of spam bots and many items which are deleted on Wikipedia. [19:33:12] grrr [19:36:41] who keeps defining messages for lib modules in repo.... [20:44:51] arrghghga [21:16:26] anyone else getting fatal error messages? [21:16:45] PinkAmpersand: where? :/ [21:17:15] just tried to make an edit to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Glossary [21:17:43] [783f4401] 2013-02-02 21:17:35: Fatal exception of type MWException [21:18:34] Sounds like Translate extension [21:18:51] yeah [21:19:02] what's wrong with it? [21:19:06] or what am i doing wrong? [21:19:15] the English copy is the original... [21:19:16] PinkAmpersand: I'm investigating [21:20:48] Stryn: How to find items, deleted on Wikipedia? [21:22:43] hoo: still getting the error message :( [21:23:28] PinkAmpersand: mh [21:23:33] BenutzerConny: are you asking how to find items where the only article's been deleted? [21:23:42] I have details now... but am still clueless [21:23:53] hmm. should we ping one of the devs? [21:24:10] PinkAmpersand: Yesz :) . [21:24:27] (Jeblad_WMDE you were the last to edit the page successfully... any thoughts?) [21:25:08] Hm, I'm editing translations now [21:25:17] Just set the page for translation [21:25:43] Jeblad_WMDE: yeah, i saw. ec'd with the copy-edit i was trying to make, which is what's now triggering the internal error [21:27:24] ok, didn't get any error myself [21:28:00] BenutzerConny: well, what I do is go through the deletion logs on wikipedias where we already have a lot of the links. then i do a browser search (ctrl+f) for whatever edit summary they use to mark articles that have been deleted through the local AfD equivalent (since speedy-deleted articles are unlikely to be included in entries). then i enable yair's [21:28:00] Wikidata preview script on the local Wikipedia, and open a bunch of the deleted articles, checking to see which ones include links to Wikidata items. once i round up a bunch of those articles, I click the "bulk delete" button (created by yours truly :) ) and RfD them all at once [21:28:54] PinkAmpersand: I can edit that page jsut fine :/ [21:29:09] PinkAmpersand: Ahh. Thank you. Seems hard work without a script :) . [21:29:25] hoo: hmm. i saw. just reloaded the edit window and tried again, to no avail :( [21:29:50] Log out, log back in [21:29:56] Btw, what browser? [21:30:00] I still want to blame the translate extension... [21:30:08] Jeblad_WMDE: Did you see the traceback? [21:30:15] http://p.defau.lt/?dS2GliYRZLbirRpME8TWDA [21:30:18] I don't know why but Firefox have trouble with wikidata [21:30:22] BenutzerConny: yeah... i should really get someone to make one sometime. on the bright side, i've cleared nl-wiki back to Jan 23rd (before which almost none of the AfD'ed articles have items) and fr-wiki back to the 18th [21:30:51] That's not browser related... my bet is Translate extension and the parser [21:30:58] PinkAmpersand: Whoohw. [21:31:06] Jeblad_WMDE: Ajax? ;) [21:32:22] Jeblad_WMDE: logging out and back in didn't work [21:32:34] PinkAmpersand: Still the exception error? [21:32:43] In my opinion Wikidata is very Javascript etc. heavy, but maybe this is standard in this days... Or not possible in another way? [21:33:03] BenutzerConny: haha last i checked i'd effected the deletion of 0.007% of Wikidata [21:33:13] hoo: yup :( [21:33:31] PinkAmpersand: Which language do you have your user interface in? English? [21:33:39] hoo: it's a good copy-edit, too :/ if I PM it to you, can you post it on my behalf? [21:33:40] yeah [21:33:42] This is outside Wikibase [21:34:00] PinkAmpersand: Go ahead... ;) [21:37:40] PinkAmpersand: Its something happening in the edit that makes the parser go gaclonck.. [21:38:46] really? [21:39:55] seems so, but i have no idea why [21:39:59] * hoo still bets on the Translate extension [21:40:44] No reference to translate extension, but it could be that one that generates the key that is failing [21:40:51] yeah, you're right [21:41:15] turns out when i resolved the edit conflict, i accidentally deleted two of the translate tags [21:41:21] which made the wiki very angry [21:41:26] hoo: false alarm :P [21:41:36] Perhaps I forgot some marker during my edit.. But I coould not spot any error [21:41:48] ach sooo.. [21:41:59] no, no, it was all my fault [21:42:12] * Jeblad_WMDE smacks PinkAmpersand that is so productive and creates bugs.. [21:42:14] xD [21:42:28] PinkAmpersand: An exception can never be your fault (unless you're a developer of course) [21:42:28] just another casualty of the God-awful edit-conflict interface [21:42:32] ...I have never done that! [21:42:42] What was the issue? (/me is going to bug report) [21:42:54] hoo: i forgot two of the tags [21:43:31] hoo please report the bug as it would be nice if it gets less-fatal in the future [21:43:49] PinkAmpersand: Is that in the text you sent me? [21:44:01] specifically: [21:44:01] # {{anchor|Rank-preferred}} [21:44:01] (6 lines later...) [21:44:01] # {{anchor|Rank-deprecated}} [21:44:23] hoo: the text i sent you was missing the tags too, yeah. [21:44:35] but I don't get the exception, grr [21:44:55] doesn't the translation extention have a bajillion checks built into it? [21:45:03] maybe this was a half-baked one? [21:45:39] (speaking of fixing bugs, someone remind me to make {{Rfd group}} extra awesome when I get the chance) [21:46:07] PinkAmpersand: Can you give me the exact text that caused the exception? [21:46:37] i believe it was the *lack* of that text that caused the exception... those 2 anchor/ tag lines [21:46:39] It's much easier to fix if it's reproducible [21:48:09] hoo: kk, 1 sec [21:49:03] hoo: hmm... i can't save it anywhere onwiki, even in my sandbox [21:49:17] Great (sounds weird) [21:49:34] Some of the corrections are wrong.. [21:50:01] hoo: give me a sec [21:50:02] PinkAmpersand: Can you possibly post wrap in a [21:50:04] A rank is not assigned to a statement, it is an implied part of the statement [21:50:07] * post it [21:50:17] Jeblad_WMDE: oh. oops. if i screwed up anything technical, fix it [21:50:50] Jeblad_WMDE: I was just trying to make it flow better. I'm no Wikibase expert though, so sorry if I misunderstood any part of it. [21:51:53] hoo: yeah, that should work [21:51:55] The original text is a bit awkward .. [21:52:36] hoo: there you go https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User:PinkAmpersand/sandbox&oldid=5661038 [21:52:58] Jeblad_WMDE: mine or yours? [21:53:31] Its not really mine, its from the data model [21:53:35] Marcus wrote it [21:53:41] PinkAmpersand: Grr, that works for me [21:53:48] I don't get an exception [21:53:56] hoo: even if you rm the s? [21:54:24] "Unbalanced tag. Translation template: " [21:54:27] ...is assigned to a statement.... -> ...is used for a statement.... ..? [21:54:30] But no exception [21:54:56] Jeblad_WMDE: ahh. that explains it. all of the tech/gadget/bot documentation stuff is really poorly translated. [21:55:16] PinkAmpersand: My proposal, is that more like it? [21:55:27] hoo: hmmm... do you have a non-admin account you could try it with? [21:55:58] Jeblad_WMDE: yeah, i think "used for" would work well [21:56:05] It would be nice if you change it so it doesn't look like I override you.. :D [21:56:29] * Jeblad_WMDE tries to avoid edit warring on wikidata [21:57:06] as you wish. all part of the collaborative process, if you ask me, but ok. [21:57:28] PinkAmpersand: Sure [21:57:36] I doubt that's the issue, though [21:58:01] hoo: I mean, I can't think of why that would change anything, but that's the biggest difference between us that comes to mind. [21:59:17] Ok... even as IP I get that [21:59:26] weird [21:59:40] and I got the error even in my sandbox [22:00:07] PinkAmpersand: Still the exception? [22:00:28] yeah. should i try it again? [22:00:39] Please, yes [22:02:32] kk 1 sec [22:03:36] hoo: yep. still happening. and this is just when i preview it. want a screenshot? [22:06:12] PinkAmpersand: Just copy the text [22:06:40] Internal error [22:06:40] [1233adbe] 2013-02-02 22:03:17: Fatal exception of type MWException [22:07:12] I once had the same error on Wikivoyage [22:07:32] * Jasper_Deng hasn't got it [22:07:35] * Vogone fixed it with deleting and restoring the page [22:07:56] Vogone: haha the luxuries of adminship [22:08:10] * PinkAmpersand deletes and restores Vogone to see if it fixes anything [22:08:14] xD [22:09:20] My RfA: "The main reason I need the tools is so that when I encounter a problem, I can see if deleting some stuff fixes anything." [22:09:54] PinkAmpersand: on which wiki? [22:10:09] Jasper_Deng: lol on SatiricalWiki [22:10:32] though I plan on running here in a few weeks [22:10:54] PinkAmpersand: I'd support [22:11:11] +1 [22:11:13] at what dates do the RFAs become permanent? [22:11:25] I guess they already are [22:11:35] but I'm not sure [22:12:51] they are, since the RfC was closed [22:15:10] hmm. then maybe i'll run during the monthlong reconfirmation hiatus [22:15:36] PinkAmpersand: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44608 [22:15:39] I guess its time for running for admin again.. [22:15:56] * Jeblad_WMDE hates voting over such things as adminship [22:16:08] me too, actually [22:16:21] which is why 5 days is what we're doing [22:16:33] * Jasper_Deng imagines CU will be needed this summer though [22:16:34] hoo: my very own bug :D [22:16:37] * PinkAmpersand bookmarks it [22:17:13] :D [22:17:14] anyone have any pointers on things i should bone up on before i run? [22:19:08] thing about wikidata is there's <20 guidelines [22:19:20] so BOLD and IAR are the way we go atm [22:19:22]