[00:00:34] lbenedix: Well, why do you want it on a server (which purposes should it serve) [00:01:14] i am developing an extension and want someone else to test it [00:02:13] Well, you could install a forward proxy (squid is really easy to set up...) and restrict access (the vagrant isn't really secure) [00:02:46] naahh [00:03:02] lbenedix: Which problems do you encounter in particular? [00:30:11] I can't access http://wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Preferences [00:30:17] Error 310 (net::ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS): There were too many redirects. [00:30:57] yeah ever since they tried changing the URL i get load issues off and on [00:31:00] techman224: Known :/ Use http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Preferences [00:39:23] Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:Wikibase was modified, changed by Hoo man link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=630715 edit summary: [+70] /* Installation */ Fix (ExampleSettings.php depends on the constants from repo/Wikibase.php) [00:56:28] Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:Wikibase was modified, changed by 92.226.58.203 link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=630721 edit summary: [-70] the lib seems to be included into the Wikibase-Extension [04:04:47] New review: MZMcBride; "Does Wikibase have unit tests? If so, writing a test for this changeset probably makes sense." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44640 [07:44:10] * Addshore-w waves [07:46:08] hi [07:46:41] Just starting to get into wikidata :) [07:48:33] I'm guessing there is no such thing as merge? [07:49:44] nope [07:49:56] you have to merge it yourself and then ping an admin to toss the duplicate [07:49:59] just request deletion of one and then add links from one to another? [07:50:09] yeah [07:50:18] but you have to unlink them from one before adding to the other [07:50:20] cant merge before one has been deleted ? [07:50:34] add got it [07:50:37] well the schema doesn't let you link a page to more than one item [07:51:03] after emptying a page should i request deletion? [07:53:28] yeah [07:53:38] WD:RFD [07:54:08] awesome :) [08:11:06] rschen7754, so what do you do if on one wiki a subject has an article all to its self, but on another wiki the subject is just a section in an article? [08:11:20] that's an interwiki conflict [08:11:44] imho all you can do is keep the two separate [08:13:21] :< [08:39:33] good morning [08:53:31] anyone else having problems with wikidata? [08:53:57] the javascript's screwed up for me [09:42:54] seems to work here [13:25:23] legoktm: donc? [13:25:25] hi [13:25:38] so can you explain the idea behind it to me again? or the link to your subpage... [13:25:51] never explained it fully there, so i'll just outline it here [13:27:08] basically, it would go through articles (start on en, presumably, and branch out once it's running smoothly), and look to see if they either have the {{lowercase title}} template (or a {{DISPLAYTITLE}} to that effect), or if the reference to the title in the first sentence is lowercased [13:27:43] to avoid synonyms, and stuff, i imagine what you'd have to do would be set it to find all strings in the first sentence matching the title [13:28:09] then check if they're boldfaced, and, if so, if they're lowercased [13:28:09] hm [13:28:10] thats not a very reliable way... [13:28:41] i was thinking just figure out whether the title itself displays as lower cased, and then lowercase the label? [13:28:58] hmm. well, the first way would work almost 100% of the time, right? so it just becomes about finding other ways to identify lowercase titles [13:29:04] yeah, yeah [13:29:06] but, thing is [13:29:25] we only lowercase for things that are explicitly lowercase [13:29:55] e.g., on WP the [[Cat]] article is displayed capitalized, but on WD it the label should be lowercase [13:30:30] but what would be unreliable about the second way? in terms of false-positive risk, not in terms of breadth, that is. [13:30:54] parsing wikitext to figure out the title of a page isn't very reliable mainly [13:31:29] also [13:31:55] are we mainly talking about first letter? or all the words [13:32:11] the first letter. it's the primary stylistic difference between WP and WD [13:33:29] "Wikipedia article: Rabbit [13:33:29] Wikidata label: rabbit [13:33:29] A rabbit is not a proper noun, so the first letter is lower case." [13:34:57] ok [13:35:35] but, so, like, what's an example of an fp that method could generate? [13:35:50] im not sure yet :P [13:35:56] so looking at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q300918 [13:36:28] the think at the top that says "Cat" should really be "cat"? [13:36:28] haha wrong kind of cat, but it's lowercase too, so same diff [13:36:59] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q300918&diff=prev&oldid=4660923 <-- correct? [13:37:10] yeah, the main problem now is that the lowercase thing is policy (well, proposed policy, but, y'know), but with bots creating almost every item, it's rarely enforced [13:37:35] but, short answer, yes, correct [13:38:15] hm [13:38:21] grmbl... [13:38:27] is there a way i can get a list of pages with capitalized labels? [13:38:47] probably? [13:38:52] i wouldn't know, though [13:38:58] honestly, just pick a random item [13:39:08] it's almost all of them [13:39:48] :/ [13:40:15] wrong :P https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q165629 [13:40:29] haha [13:41:05] ok what about https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q709369 and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_page [13:41:29] my thinking is, though, if a few simple ways to find things that should be lowercased can cover, say 75% of the situations, with, say, a 5% false-positive rate (and I think it's be more like 85% and 1-2%), then that's a major improvement [13:41:49] 5% FP rate is rather high... [13:42:08] yeah. i was being very pessimistic there [13:42:10] intentionally [13:42:19] but now that i think about it [13:42:30] [07:41:04 AM] ok what about https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q709369 and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_page <--should that be lowercased? [13:42:38] i see it as around 1%. It would have to be obscure stylistic issues that would cause mistakes. [13:42:42] and yes, it should [13:43:21] i mean, this is all going off a proposed policy, but if there are any community objections to the idea of generally lowercasing, those'll come up at BRFA (and I think people are fairly firmly behind the idea) [13:43:59] so the bot would look at the enwp.org/Man_page article [13:44:13] notice that it says '''man page''' [13:44:19] gotcha [13:44:22] and lowercase the label [13:45:28] if you can draw up some sort of program to do the scanning part, that'd probably be the easiest way to determine the FP rate [13:45:44] i can [13:45:45] and then, once that's smoothed out, to think of other methods [13:45:59] cool :D [13:46:42] i just need an input [13:46:54] how about…random.randint(0, 3 million) :P [13:47:26] no clue what that means haha [13:48:03] * legoktm is working, ssh! [13:49:40] haha ok [13:50:28] * PinkAmpersand goes back to trying to watch all of "Weeds" in one sitting, but is still pingable [14:10:50] and pywikipedia doesn't support changing labels yet. [14:11:41] * legoktm is writing a patch [14:11:44] legoktm: you contribute to pywikipedia? [14:11:59] whenever it can't do what i need :P [14:12:03] all my bots run on it [14:12:19] ah [14:12:35] I was wondering where should I start if I want to help out [14:12:59] rewrite branch! [14:13:19] ok so can an item have labels in multiple languages? [14:13:28] legoktm: yes [14:13:32] of course [14:13:36] ah ok [14:13:43] if you want to see what it looks like, enable "Lable Lister" in Gadgets [14:14:57] legoktm where are the rewrite branch bugs tracked? [14:15:06] kondi: in sourceforge >.> [14:15:48] * kondi looks [14:16:24] not sure if anyone has actually filed bugs against it since very few people use it [14:16:43] but there are a bunch of # TODOs in the code that dont work [14:16:48] like the ImagePage object... [14:17:47] ah [14:17:47] sounds good [14:22:42] anyone want to bring this to the project chat: https://twitter.com/Wikimedia/status/292636526435766273 ? [15:01:32] Pink|mostly_here: so i ran a test on 50 randomly selected data items, and not a single one had '''lowercase_label''' in them [15:02:26] I'm running it again to check if I just had a horrible sample [15:03:50] https://en.wikidata.org/wiki/Q395712 <-- made me think my script had an error :/ [15:12:22] Pink|mostly_here: results http://dpaste.de/Y74mw/raw/ [15:15:01] Another project wants to switch over :D [16:17:43] hm, whats the policy on having redirects as links rather than the actual page? [16:18:58] Pink|mostly_here: poke. [16:19:07] haha just saw this [16:19:09] 1 sec [16:19:41] so this is a good thing or a bad thign? [16:20:57] well neither really. [16:21:18] it just means we need a way to find pages that need it, which will be hard. [16:21:50] hmm. certain categories, maybe? [16:22:34] or, could you maybe look for things *not* in certain categories? [16:24:01] because, off the top of my head, the following things necessitate a capitalized first letter: films, books, other works of art & literature, ships, people, countries and other municipalities, specific geographical features, notablue buildings, and corporations [16:24:35] hm [16:24:37] i suppose [16:24:39] oh and individual transportation devices in general (certain planes, trains, etc.) [16:24:49] i just dont think pywikibot supports that much yet [16:24:56] :/ [16:25:09] i'm also feeling rather lazy right now :P [16:25:14] though [16:25:18] i came up with something else [16:25:31] hey, for the record, in your sample, "Women in Hinduism" *should* be lowercase [16:25:36] (the "w", not the "H") [16:25:44] hm [16:26:35] ditto List of state leaders in 697 [16:28:44] Hey Sannita [16:28:59] hey Ajraddatz [16:29:11] saw your message [16:29:59] Good. I hope you run for confirmation :) [16:30:12] also, whats the policy on bypassing redirects? [16:30:23] redirects shouldn't have items [16:30:41] no, something like https://en.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q928291&diff=prev&oldid=4664827 [16:31:12] of course :) it.wiki is next on the list along with he, hope to be useful on both projects :) [16:32:12] got to reboot, see you later [16:32:15] k bye [16:32:25] wait, legoktm, I'm confused [16:32:35] which redirect is that page bypassing? [16:33:04] Vancouver Island Wolf (capital W) on enwiki is a redirect to Vancouver Island wolf (lowercase w) [16:33:38] ah. The label should be the latter then [16:33:54] (your edit was correct) [16:34:05] so would anyone object to me writing a bot to do this? [16:34:22] I wouldn't, but the bot would need to be approved. [16:34:23] obviously after the approval and such [16:34:27] yeah [16:34:27] ok [16:34:41] i already wrote the database query :P [16:37:38] bah, I want to make a bot to do stuff on wikidata [16:37:43] but I don't have the technical brains [16:37:44] :( [16:45:39] its not hard! [17:40:35] wikidata admin in the house? [17:40:58] Ajraddatz is here. [17:41:06] so it rschen7754|away [17:41:12] and Riley [17:41:14] Hey MBisanz [17:41:18] need something? [17:41:26] Ajraddatz: wanna close http://en.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by so I can flag him before I take my shower? [17:41:43] it's been ~7 days, I believe [17:41:49] i mean 5 days [17:42:11] see also http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Permissions#Jon_Harald_S.C3.B8by.40wikidata [17:42:48] Done - RfTAs used to last for seven days, but recent discussion has moved that to five, so flag away :D [17:43:12] thank you [17:46:46] hm pywikibot says its editing the page, but it actually isnt. [17:55:51] hah legoktm [17:55:57] :( [17:57:01] i tried fixing it and now i'm getting an even more cryptic traceback [18:00:25] ugh [18:40:45] {u'servedby': u'srv250', u'error': {u'info': u'No entity found matching ID 1571749', u'code': u'no-such-entity-id'}} [18:40:51] most definitely exists... [18:42:31] yup: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1571749 [19:05:07] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 43006) Disable input element and toolbar on saving/removing" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44396 [19:13:48] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 43006) Disable input element and toolbar on saving/removing" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44396 [19:14:04] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44396 [19:20:35] MBisanz: ping [19:22:52] hi ragesoss [19:22:54] and rsh [19:22:56] and rschen7754 [19:22:58] i solved it [19:23:01] thanks though [19:23:10] PM [19:23:18] ok [19:23:38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikidata_interwiki_RFC [19:23:52] sorry wrong window [19:29:00] rschen7754, all the same, thanks for the link :P [19:29:08] yw [20:33:55] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 43006) Simpler implementation of disable for SnakTypeSelector" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44833 [20:46:03] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 43006) Simpler implementation of disable for SnakTypeSelector" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44833 [20:55:52] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "We have tons of unit tests, but I do not see how this can be unit tested: The 404 code is set using ..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44640 [21:11:27] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 43006) Simpler implementation of disable for SnakTypeSelector" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44833 [21:38:49] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(minor) fix for calling options in Widgets based on TemplatedWidget" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44834 [21:38:49] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(minor) stick closer to jQuery.Widget implementation of snakview disable/enable" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44835 [23:12:11] Ajraddatz: Igna isn't a sysop so he won't need confirmation [23:12:32] ok, feel free to remove then [23:12:42] I didn't confirm the list other than the first set [23:12:42] btw, the 2013 admins aren't on the list… :/ [23:12:54] yeah, I just have it for the first five weeks [23:13:16] The others are coming in later, and while we could set them up now, that's still a long while off. [23:14:02] removed [23:14:27] k [23:14:38] rschen7754, if you want to add the other ones at later dates that's fine [23:14:44] I'll do it closer to the time [23:14:49] ok [23:15:01] hehe, this isn't enwiki - if I omit something, you can do it yourself :p [23:15:01] i just don't want my reconfirmation to fail because nobody noticed it :P [23:16:18] * Jasper_Deng doesn't want his to fail either [23:16:37] since there's the minimum 8 votes thing [23:17:40] tbh I'm tempted to put up a sitenotice (users only) about the confirmations [23:17:55] it would be bad if people missed it [23:18:08] if stewards get them, why don't us temporary wikidata admins? :p [23:20:14] definitely a local notice [23:20:27] I'd say put them up now because it's 2 weeks before they begin [23:20:36] a CentralNotice, dear friends :P [23:21:57] * Jasper_Deng balks at the idea of a CN [23:23:52] yeah, local sitenotice. Just playing on the concept of a centralnotice :p [23:24:29] maybe it could have jimbo's face too [23:24:39] "hi im jimbo please consider voting in admin confirmations thx" [23:24:54] that would be amusing [23:24:59] but would probably bring up opposes