[00:55:58] good night [00:56:41] Good night [03:05:08] Ello [03:06:26] Ello, eh? [03:10:03] Heh [03:10:08] PiRQuadratus: Whats new/ [03:12:00] Ello 2 u 2 ;) [03:12:57] :) [03:14:11] I don't know about you guys but after editing the stressful English Wikipedia its a relief to come work on this project, am I the only one who thinks this? [03:22:18] Riley: how is the English Wikipedia stressful? [03:24:17] PiRQuadratus: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=&limit=445&tagfilter=&contribs=user&target=Riley+Huntley&namespace=4 [03:25:06] Thats just today.. Its stressful because I don't want to make any mistakes. [03:25:18] All those edits seem automated. Are they? [03:25:31] Or at least automat-able [03:25:58] Only the relisting is autoable. All delsorting tools are brokem [03:26:01] n* [03:26:20] Even with the tools, AfD is an easy topic to get ANI'ed on. [03:26:39] ANI'ed = ? [03:27:33] Being dragged to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents [03:27:47] * PiRQuadratus is glad he never really got into the English Wikipedia [03:27:54] Hahah. [03:28:24] Its a fun place but it has lots of issues. [03:28:27] Smaller wikis are nicer. [03:29:25] SWMT must be like a vacation for you then [03:30:20] Yes, except everyones so fast. I like relaxing vacations ;) [03:32:43] Which I will never get because whenever I go to edit somewhere else, some genius decides to nominate a page for deletion. [03:33:01] Example? [03:34:20] PiRQuadratus: Example of what? [03:34:31] "whenever I go to edit somewhere else, some genius decides to nominate a page for deletion" [03:34:43] uh this is the latest one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Harshdeep_hura [03:35:14] well it doesn't look overly notable [03:35:39] Thats why it was nominated... [03:35:53] no references... but anyway, why don't you run for Cabal there? [03:36:01] *adminship [03:36:39] Only been a user for... uh 300 days [03:37:09] Only active for *hold* [03:37:33] * Riley loves how slow toolserver is [03:37:45] Riley: you have over 10 times as many edits as I do and I've been around for 3 (?) years [03:37:57] Only active for 185 days. Which is 61.5% [03:38:27] How did you find that statistic? [03:39:11] I've been a user on enwiki since Aug 10, 2009 hmm [03:39:42] http://en.wikichecker.com/user/?l=all&t=Riley_Huntley [03:40:11] Who owns that site? [03:40:54] ~~" Riley loves how slow toolserver is"~~ No clue who owns it [03:44:30] I just love ~~wasting~~ spending time helping small wikis. [03:44:57] Wikidata is mostly bot-like work [03:45:15] Yea and true. [03:46:04] Small wikis also seem to have a nicer community. [03:46:29] :) [04:00:14] Wikidata is currently the only wiki I edit a considerable amount where my "skin" is set to Vector [04:00:22] For some reason it looks nice on wikidata [04:00:37] Looks the same on Wikipedia..? [04:00:44] What do you normally use? [04:00:46] idk, just not the same for me [04:00:49] monobook [04:01:02] maybe it's because I'm so used to it [04:01:27] Ah yea, know what you mean. [04:02:33] * Riley decides to do some patrolling [04:05:22] hi Riley and PiRQuadratus [04:05:33] salut [04:05:39] Bonjour [04:05:46] "bonsoir" :P [04:06:26] :P [04:07:39] Riley: on peut toujours utiliser "salut" [04:08:28] oui [04:08:55] c'est moins formel [04:10:06] ici, on peut se tutoyer, non ? [04:10:31] �a n'a rien � voir, mais oui [04:10:42] tout le monde sur Internet se tutoie, personnellement je ne comprends pas pourquoi [04:11:01] mais bon "it is what it is" comme on dit [04:11:18] :P< [04:12:45] Amqui: Y a-t-il une politique sur Wikipédia au sujet de "tu"/"vous" ? [04:17:00] PiRQuadratus pour les discussions, tout le monde utilise le "tu", personellement j'utilise le "vous", mais tout le monde me dit d�s le premier commentaire de le tutoyer [04:17:18] je trouve cela bizarre de me faire tutoyer par un inconnu [04:17:26] ^ [04:18:03] mais c'est surement une d�formation professionnelle, j'oblige mes employ�s � me vouvoyer au boulot :P [04:18:28] les jeunes aujourd'hui (au Canada du moins) ne vousvoie plus du tout, m�me � l'�cole, ils tutoient leur enseignant [04:22:22] ils tutoient leur enseignant ? :O [04:24:29] oui [04:24:39] c'est la nouvelle mode depuis une dizaine d'ann�es [04:25:01] quand j'�tais petit, ils m'ont enseign� de vousvoyer les personnes �g�es [04:25:21] maintenant que ces personnges �g�es disparaissent, les nouveaux jeunes ne savent plus c'est quoi le vouvoiement du tout [04:26:09] (I hope I don't make too much typing mistake for google translate :P) [04:26:42] Je n'utilise pas "google translate" :P [04:26:56] c'est pourquoi mon français est si mauvais... [04:26:57] ah ok [04:27:06] je voulais dire pour me comprendre [04:27:13] Je l'utilise seulement pour mon vocabulaire [04:27:31] mon fran�ais aussi est mauvais pour les Fran�ais [04:28:09] il y avait deux touristes fran�aises ici au bar, j'�tais avec des copains anglophones, et lorsque je me suis adress� en fran�ais, elle s'est tourn� vers un anglais et a demand� en fran�ais "mais qu'est-ce qu'il dit ?" [04:28:11] lol.... [04:28:21] *mdr [04:28:42] l'anglais � son tour m'a regard� avec un air "what the *** she says?" [04:29:17] XD [04:29:40] finalement, j'avais moins de difficult� � me faire comprendre en anglais par elles... mais leur accent en anglais ouf [04:30:21] haha [04:31:06] tu devrais tapp� /nick PiRCarr� [04:31:07] :P [04:31:20] euh [04:31:36] == PiRCarré Erroneous Nickname [04:32:06] PiRQuadrangulaire :P [04:32:24] c'est trop longue [04:32:37] *long (?) [04:32:42] oui long [04:33:09] PiRQuadratique [04:34:25] Amqui: when I connect to freenode my nick is set to "PiRCarre" (with no accent) [04:34:37] then I /nick to either PiRQuadratus or PiRSquared [04:34:49] why? [04:35:01] 1. Latin. 2. English [04:35:22] yes but why don't you set one of them directly? [04:35:52] je suis trop paresseux [04:36:03] so you used to use PiRCarre? [04:36:25] une fois [04:36:42] lol [04:37:10] mais je suis trop paresseux pour/de (?) le changer [04:37:22] pour [04:37:36] to = pour ou � [04:37:46] of/from = de [04:38:13] Prepositions are the hardest thing in French [04:38:16] ^ [04:38:21] no Jasper_Deng [04:38:28] knowing which article is hard too [04:38:37] knowing if a noun is female or male is the hardest for English people [04:38:44] not for me [04:38:56] I mean un vs une [04:38:57] but it doesn't really matter, we can understand even if you got them all wrong [04:38:58] My guesses to unknown words are usually right. [04:39:04] just look very "english" lol [04:39:46] Jasper_Deng that's because you didn't try some verb tenses, like "pass� simple" [04:39:57] or "plus-que-parfait" [04:40:03] * Jasper_Deng uses the latter [04:40:13] it really isn't that hard [04:40:26] I guess you are very good in French then [04:40:33] most French people get it wrong :P [04:40:38] I'm fr-2 [04:40:59] ok [04:41:05] I'm fr-(-2) [04:41:08] me fr-N :P [04:41:41] and I had to put en-4, since I correct the text written in English from my English-speaking employees lol [04:43:10] that's the funny part about Canadian government, they have bilingual-designated positions, where you have to know both languages [04:43:30] but most positions don't have that designation, but they don't check if you speak English or French, only if you speak one of them lol [04:43:36] I should put fr-0 because I can't translate the first sentence of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/GAF ... [04:43:59] so there you are French-only speaker with all English colleagues (or vice-versa) [04:44:43] and laws say you can work in the language of your choice, despite the language of all your colleagues, how that makes sense...? [04:46:16] Jasper_Deng you are Canadian right? [04:46:24] * Jasper_Deng resides in the US [04:46:31] * Jasper_Deng has been learning French for 2 1/3 years [04:46:31] ok I thought from Jasper :P [04:46:41] though I have a dual citizenship [04:47:18] Jasper is a great place to ski here [04:47:42] Turns out that I was named for Jasper [04:48:17] yes I figured that [04:49:17] I invited Americans to my place last weekend [04:49:19] also, can we stop logging this channel? [04:49:44] they never had been drinking with a bon fire in the snow lol [04:50:40] Jasper_Deng you should have learn Spanish [04:50:47] more useful than French nowadays [04:50:50] yeah [04:51:15] Jasper_Deng: That would be nice [04:51:19] though the language is important if you want to work w/ global organizations, whose primary languages IIRC are in French [04:51:33] * Hazard-SJ dislikes logged channels to some extent [04:51:34] no [04:51:46] primary language globally is English lol [04:52:04] I think I was told that international law is written in French [04:52:14] written in French "as well2 [04:52:15] " [04:52:30] French is "de jure" the international language [04:52:34] but in fact English is more used [04:52:52] yeah [04:53:05] like Olympics' official language is French [04:53:26] but everywhere they used local language, English and then French because they have to lol [04:54:18] The only reason I learned any french at all was to understand parts of Dorothy Sayers's novels [04:54:33] lol [04:54:56] Jasper_Deng: I agree. Why are we logging this channel? [04:55:04] idk [04:55:10] does any of us have ops here? [04:55:13] just to bother Hazard-SJ maybe [04:55:15] :P [04:55:17] we can stop the logging by kicking wm-bot [04:55:18] :P [04:55:38] wm-bot: Don't log our channel! [04:55:39] who's its owner? [04:55:46] !help [04:55:53] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8U-XQYJwDY [04:55:53] wm-bot: help [04:56:06] It runs on Labs [04:56:08] - The uploader has not made this video available in your country. - [04:56:08] 04Error: Command “the” not recognized. Please review and correct what you’ve written. [04:56:21] :/ [04:56:26] PiRQuadratus Antarctica? [04:56:30] lol [04:56:35] Amqui: no, Greenland [04:56:40] Denmark then [04:56:48] ja [04:57:06] pan [04:57:13] hum then you are my enemy [04:57:23] hvorfor? [04:57:28] North Ple [04:57:31] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Island [04:57:32] lol [04:57:33] *Pole [04:57:46] funny how two NATO partner has territorial dispute [04:58:35] Amqui: hint: I'm not really from Greenland [04:58:55] lol we have territorial dispute with US too anyway :P [04:59:27] 35 million vs 315 million people [04:59:49] yep, but either you take it all or you take none :P [05:00:15] US was about to let go its claims on the Northwest passage, just so it can increase security there [05:00:18] hey, Canada and US have been friendlier to each other than probably any other pair of countries [05:00:33] if Canada owns it, US can have "power" their [05:00:42] but if US says it's international, no security lol [05:00:48] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machias_Seal_Island [05:00:50] population: 2 [05:00:51] XFD [05:00:52] lol [05:00:53] XD [05:01:15] that's the only lighthouse Canada kept manning, just for that lol [05:01:40] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Rock population: 0 :P [05:02:42] Must be able to find a category for these [05:02:54] http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UncategorizedCategories&limit=500&offset=0 [05:02:59] Riley: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Canada%E2%80%93United_States_border_disputes [05:03:01] oh [05:03:07] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_areas_disputed_by_the_United_States_and_Canada [05:03:14] Wikipedia uses "Wikipedians by language" [05:03:25] Maybe we could do "Users by language"? [05:03:32] exactly [05:03:40] I was about to write that :P [05:04:03] Heh. [05:04:14] Should I ask on PC? Best to not have to redo 250 edits. [05:04:30] yes [05:04:37] Commons goes by http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Users_by_language too [05:05:16] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Search_broken this is really important [05:05:40] @logoff [05:05:40] Permission denied [05:05:43] PiRQuadratus it makes more sense to have claims where there isn't any inhabitant, because if there was any, it would be up to them to choose their country [05:06:00] Type @commands for list of commands. This bot is running http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WM-Bot version wikimedia bot v. 1.10.4.10 source code licensed under GPL and located at https://github.com/benapetr/wikimedia-bot [05:06:46] You are unknown to me :) [05:06:52] Ha [05:07:21] we should launch a DoS attack against wm-bot [05:07:22] Get out of our channel if you don't plan to behave ;) [05:07:22] lol [05:07:25] wm-bot doesn't know who you are therefore you are not. [05:07:44] PiRQuadratus: ooh, deep [05:08:05] You are unknown to me :) [05:08:08] non sum :( [05:08:23] You are unknown to me :) [05:08:29] !whoami [05:08:29] * Hazard-SJ wonders if jeremyb is really away. [05:08:35] * Riley wonders why Theopolisme even bothered :P [05:08:38] Heh. [05:09:01] I will leave soon [05:09:16] I'm leaving in a minute or less [05:09:16] done. [05:09:23] Bye [06:10:02] a Wikiproject's own Wikidata: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Forces_canadiennes [06:11:18] good candidate to transfer to the international Wikidata wiki [06:12:26] I've just created it [06:12:35] the international Wikidata is too slow :P [06:14:36] no hazard-SJ... [06:16:12] Jasper_Deng: why not log? [06:16:30] anyway, it's here because it was asked to be here. [06:16:36] by whom? [06:16:38] take it up with denny or Lydia_WMDE [06:16:58] i don't recall exactly. let's assume one of them two for now [06:17:02] @trusted [06:17:02] I trust: IWorld!.*@wikimedia/IWorld (2admin), Lydia.*quassel.jefferai.org (2trusted), Lydia.*quassel\.jefferai\.org (2admin), .*!.*@unaffiliated/jeroendedauw (2admin), [06:17:29] so, those people can all tell it to stop logging [06:18:00] Successfuly added .*@wikimedia/IWorld [06:18:00] @trustadd .*@wikimedia/IWorld admin [06:18:17] @trustdel IWorld!.*@wikimedia/IWorld [06:18:17] User was deleted from access list [06:18:32] @trustdel Lydia.*quassel.jefferai.org [06:18:32] User was deleted from access list [06:18:47] @trustdel Lydia.*quassel\.jefferai\.org [06:18:47] User was deleted from access list [06:18:49] @trustdel Lydia.*quassel\.jefferai\.org [06:18:49] User not found, sorry [06:19:04] @trustdel .*@quassel\.jefferai\.org [06:19:04] User not found, sorry [06:19:12] Successfuly added .*@quassel\.jefferai\.org [06:19:12] @trustadd .*@quassel\.jefferai\.org admin [06:19:25] @trustdel .*!.*@unaffiliated/jeroendedauw [06:19:25] User was deleted from access list [06:19:34] Wrong number of parameters, go fix it - example @trustadd regex (admin|trusted) [06:19:34] @trustadd .*@unaffiliated/jeroendedauw [06:19:41] Successfuly added .*@unaffiliated/jeroendedauw [06:19:41] @trustadd .*@unaffiliated/jeroendedauw admin [06:19:46] @trusted [06:19:46] I trust: .*@wikimedia/IWorld (2admin), .*@quassel\.jefferai\.org (2admin), .*@unaffiliated/jeroendedauw (2admin), [06:19:52] good ;) [06:24:02] 16 14:16:46 < Denny_WMDE> is there a chat log here yet? [06:24:32] 16 14:18:30 < Denny_WMDE> we don't want one, yet, or do we? [06:24:32] 16 14:19:00 < Denny_WMDE> i don't know really :/ whatever [06:24:32] 16 14:20:18 < Lydia_WMDE> what do other people here think? [06:24:32] 16 14:20:27 < Lydia_WMDE> should we log the channel? [06:24:32] 16 14:20:51 < Abraham_WMDE> might be helpful sometimes... [06:24:41] I think IRC discussions should be a little more private than that [06:24:49] * Jasper_Deng doesn't want someone googling this [06:24:58] googling what? [06:25:06] the log [06:25:11] presumably robots.txt settings are not set in stone... [06:25:30] idk about the robots.txt settings for this [06:25:53] well it's now a 404 apparently [06:26:22] as you have shell access, you probably have the technical ability to, but ofc idk about its repercussions [06:26:31] erm? [06:26:38] what repercussions? [06:26:50] surely we have an enwp article on robots.txtr [06:26:54] robots.txt* [06:26:57] ;-) [06:27:05] like, whether Google might mistakenly downgrade production sites [06:27:11] ... [06:27:24] it's not even the same second-level domain [06:27:45] who knows, Google might do it by IP address for all we know. [06:27:51] and why it's not #wikidata ? [06:27:59] errrrrrrrr, no we do know [06:28:15] it's full of mysteries around here [06:28:16] google isn't that clueless [06:28:25] no further discussion about that needed [06:29:05] here's the rest of the relevant bits: [06:29:06] 18 10:52:40 < JeroenDeDauw> Didn't we have logging on this channel? poke Lydia_WMDE [06:29:09] 18 10:52:52 < Lydia_WMDE> JeroenDeDauw: no we didn't [06:29:11] 18 10:53:00 < Lydia_WMDE> but since no-one objected i'll take care of that [06:29:15] 18 11:06:56 < Lydia_WMDE> jem-: hey :) can you turn on logging for the channel and let me know when you did so i can adjust the topic? [06:29:45] you'll notice nearly 2 days elapsed between initial proposal and the request to actually do it [06:30:34] *anyway* there's a decent # of people that have the right privilges to turn off the logging if there's some consensus that there should be no logging [06:31:03] the irony is that logging would allow proof that consensus was reached if we reach one now [06:31:35] sure, you could point to a timestamp. i also have my own personal logs even if the bots not here [06:31:57] hence i had the logs of the stuff pasted above even though they predate the bot [06:32:27] ps_home: are you a new yorker?? [07:10:06] hey [07:10:52] i want the channel to be logged because the dev discussions should be open and visible to everyone, regardless of them being online at a given time [12:43:42] how can i find if the page i want to add is already in db with interwikis or not? [14:17:22] Danny_B|backup: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ItemByTitle [16:07:40] muchas gracias, Reedy [16:18:30] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33789 [16:20:02] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Please to run the tests before merging - this broke master" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33736 [16:20:28] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove test for removed method" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33866 [16:20:46] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix for I3335b5f97fb293223c58ab790db19b8a24d5f4a5" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33866 [16:20:47] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33866 [16:43:53] autoEdit gives zh-hans words for zh-hant label.... [19:12:36] hi [19:12:58] hi =) [19:13:33] hey brackenheim :) [19:14:33] gibts auf wikidata eigentlich importeure? [20:17:53] Wiki13: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Notability is obvious consensus [20:19:48] Wiki13|Cloud ^ [20:42:11] oh sorry Jasper_Deng [20:42:27] just came back from a movie [20:43:59] What do you want to say me when closing the RfC? [20:44:16] Wiki13: there's no-one outright opposing [20:44:18] should be simple enough [20:44:47] we should have a template for closing propalas and things like that [20:45:29] right now we're using {{discussion top|reason}} + {{discussion bottom}} [20:45:29] 10[1] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:discussion_top13 => [20:45:31] 10[2] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:discussion_bottom [20:45:33] or we might have that already [20:45:34] ah [20:45:55] I´ll just close it with that then [20:49:44] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "added test" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33932 [20:49:53] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33932 [20:50:54] Jasper_Deng: although I agree with you there is consensus I think the RFC is a bit short [20:50:56] imo [20:51:05] in duration? [20:51:13] yes [20:51:29] that doesn't really matter, since no-one has had any significant opposition [20:51:36] and most proposals last that long anyways [20:51:48] Well. I closed it [21:00:15] How lon do you think the algo should be for archival if project chat? 7 days is okay, right? [21:00:20] *long [21:01:27] * Hazard-SJ is going to archive it himself using the script since my bot can't get anything [21:01:38] Wiki13, Jasper_Deng_away: ^ [21:02:15] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove restriction that parse results should be DataValues" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33965 [21:02:42] which script? :o [21:03:50] The bot script code I'd've used on the wiki, but due to whatever (can't get it to read the page, and some other errors), it isn't working on Wikidata [21:05:07] Wiki13: 7d? [21:05:37] 7 days should be ok [21:06:17] Ok, I'll go an do some code mods, then get it done :D [21:52:38] what about bots right now? [21:52:59] as https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Pause_item_creating_bots shows, there isn't a consens in that question [21:56:12] Wiki13: Didn't make much of a difference after the archive :/ [21:57:09] maybe more aggresive Hazard-SJ? [21:57:18] like 3 of 4 days or so? [21:57:38] as there really high ¨traffic¨ on that page [21:57:41] is [21:58:07] does someone agree with me? [22:06:15] Wiki13I'd guess so, I'll try 5 to be safe, though. [22:06:27] * Wiki13: I'd guess so, I'll try 5 to be safe, though. [22:06:36] ok [22:06:58] 5 would be definitely ok imo [22:07:00] * Hazard-SJ changes text on pages and prepares to reimport to his wiki [22:15:00] Wiki13: Take a look now [22:15:37] 40k bytes is gone now, I see [22:15:54] better [22:16:02] only 50 subjects now [22:16:09] instead of 1000 [22:16:13] 100* [22:16:58] 24 less according to what the bot told me [22:17:10] ;) [22:18:36] 1/3 of the threads were archived :P [22:18:54] Let me take a look at the dev page now [22:21:42] * Hazard-SJ wonders [22:22:54] Wiki13: Think I should use the same format for the archive page title for [[Wikidata:Contact the development team]]? [22:22:54] 10[3] 10https://wikidata.wikidata.org/wiki/Contact_the_development_team [22:23:48] Hazard-SJ: [22:23:53] I think so [22:24:07] OK [22:24:18] I'll try 7 days first though [22:28:46] ok [22:36:28] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Improvements and cleanup for JS value parsers" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33968 [22:37:42] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Improvements and cleanup for JS value parsers" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33968 [23:01:36] Well...the archives have been made [23:03:14] Good job [23:04:38] Thanks :) [23:07:16] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Added string parser in JavaScript" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33970 [23:10:36]