[07:27:05] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "selenium tests for editing-story #38176 & #38177" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15706 [07:30:35] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "selenium tests for editing-story #38176 & #38177" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15706 [08:13:25] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15793 [08:26:38] Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15706 [08:41:41] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Additions for language fallbacks in wbgetitems" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15868 [08:42:03] Change abandoned: John Erling Blad; "Replaced by https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15868" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15433 [10:11:05] New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "Please add some basic PHPUnit tests for the methods which are testable. I'm going to write a seleniu..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15675 [10:18:43] New review: John Erling Blad; "Fix the warnings." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15809 [11:01:54] Jens_WMDE: was the wikidata-test-repo database cleared only or was there also a wikibase module version update? How can i know which version is live at testwiki? [11:09:58] Merlissimo: only database cleared [11:10:14] Merlissimo: the thing is this: [11:10:27] the partition for the database is too small. [11:10:40] thanks to our friends, the bots :3 [11:10:49] which is wonderful. [11:11:10] i didn't want to touch the test system during wikimania, though [11:11:32] but it will all be solved this week! [11:11:41] i asked because two weeks ago jeblad_WMDE changes some formats, so after an version update i have to update my code (which is already done, but not live) [11:15:13] clearing to database is not a problem for me. if my bot is too fast, just tell me (currently i am checking about 10% of all interwiki data my bot has collected against wikidata) [12:03:10] I like your bot, Merlissimo. It will always have a special place in my heart. [12:04:40] (but my bot does not have a heard pacemaker module) [12:05:06] heart [12:09:15] haha [12:09:27] Merlissimo: it's fine :) don't worry [12:09:39] Jens_WMDE can let you know when he updates the test system [12:09:41] or i can [12:09:46] how would you like to be notified? [12:10:06] on irc would be fine [12:10:17] ok [12:10:17] you're on. [12:11:20] no, seriously, Merlissimo. your bot is my go to example why the community is awesome and already uses wikidata at this early stage. [12:15:11] Hey, the topic says that en. office hours will be on 19 [12:16:51] lazowik: doh [12:16:51] thx [12:16:53] will fix [12:19:54] you're welcome :) [12:20:29] I believe this is not the last format change, but hopefully it will not be many of them [12:21:37] The only thing that I know about for the moment which might break things is that some data that goes to the wbsetitem module is not validated and normalized properly [12:22:33] When we do that some bot edits can be rejected because they use invalid formats [12:23:17] For example because wbsetitem now does not check if a language code is valid [12:23:38] The other modules have a much more strict validation [12:24:09] wbsetitem sort of speed drive without breaks.. [12:25:05] A few checks are now in place, so at least the _structure_ of the items are valid, even if the values might still be invalid [12:28:37] I guess there will be at least one more truncation of the test database before we go into prod, we can't do that without being vejjy sure that the complete database is valid and that we maintain data integrity during normal operation [12:28:48] Thats my 0.05€ [13:34:05] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Comment out empty tests untill we have stuff in them" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15886 [13:34:36] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Empty test files commented out in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/15886/" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15809 [13:41:51] New review: John Erling Blad; "..because if he doesn't fix it he will not get any chocklade.." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15809 [13:41:53] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15809 [13:42:13] Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:Wikibase was modified, changed by 93.220.101.46 link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=563021 edit summary: /* Download */ [13:44:46] Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:Wikibase was modified, changed by Jeroen De Dauw link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=563022 edit summary: [13:45:01] Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:Wikibase was modified, changed by Jeroen De Dauw link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=563023 edit summary: /* Download */ [13:45:55] Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:Wikibase was modified, changed by Jeroen De Dauw link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=563024 edit summary: /* Installation */ [13:46:53] Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:Wikibase was modified, changed by Jeroen De Dauw link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=563025 edit summary: /* Requirements */ [13:55:06] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15886 [13:56:50] Abraham_WMDE: moin! invite met to the hangout, please. [13:57:00] i can't find silke on g+ [13:57:17] or rather: i find 4 Silke Meyer, all without picture... [13:57:39] Daniel_WMDE: moin moin [13:57:52] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Updated INSTALL instructions for the repo" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15888 [13:58:02] Daniel_WMDE: you should search Silke by her WMDE email account [13:58:34] Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:Wikibase was modified, changed by Jeroen De Dauw link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=563028 edit summary: /* Installation */ [13:58:45] Daniel_WMDE: Silke will add you, but for hangout you need to add her to your circle(s) [14:01:04] Abraham_WMDE: ok, i guess i found the right Silke Meyer now :) [14:02:16] Daniel_WMDE: please don't call in. We call you! thx. [14:17:15] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "up INSTALL for lib and client" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15889 [15:43:09] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Moved a bunch of stuff in includes to subdirs for great organization" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15811 [15:48:57] New review: John Erling Blad; "Rebased and goes green" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15811 [15:49:11] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15811 [15:56:19] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15888 [16:04:35] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15889 [18:19:36] Sorry I missed the Office hours. Seems API wbgetsitelinks always fails "The content on the found page is not of correct type." [18:24:08] spagewmf: you didn't - it's another 3 and a half hours [18:24:28] spagewmf: please poke jeblad about that or email the mailing list [18:24:49] New patchset: Kghbln; "Kill de-formal messages superseded by their de fallback message" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15947 [18:24:53] (and you don't need to wait for the office hour for such questions :) - we're usually here outside them as well) [18:28:50] Lydia_WMDE aha Google Calendar doesn't do too well with "22:00 UTC" :-) Isn't that midnight in Germany?! [18:29:00] it is [18:29:25] but since i love my community i'm even doing that... :P [18:44:22] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15947 [21:21:59] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Abstracted out diff view code so it can work for entities on various places." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15967 [21:53:18] hello all [21:53:24] am i in time for the office hour? [21:53:42] 5 minutes to early, i think ;) [21:54:30] good enough :) [21:54:40] TMg: thanks for participating in the logo contest! [21:55:10] yea, good results but not even near 1st place :) [21:55:50] * Lydia_WMDE waves [21:55:53] heya TMg [21:56:01] tach [21:57:59] as i wrote at meta i'm shocked by some current deletion requests. [21:58:08] ? [21:58:21] link? [21:58:23] so much hate. people try to delete templates because they dont like templates. [21:59:00] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikidata/Notes/Inclusion_syntax_v0.2 [21:59:36] i'm afraid wikidata will make templates more complicated. some people will fight wikidata for sure. [22:00:09] alright people of #wikimedia-wikidata [22:00:13] are you ready to party? [22:00:16] eh office hour? [22:00:17] :D [22:00:40] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Abstracted out diff view code so it can work for entities on various places." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15967 [22:00:52] this one's going to be a bit more complicated than the previous ones because Denny_WMDE and I are on different continents this time and not sitting next to each other [22:00:57] but let's see how this goes [22:00:58] sup sup [22:01:06] so who's here for the office hour? [22:01:11] here [22:01:21] hi jorm [22:01:22] i shall likely lurk. [22:01:30] hey denny! great to see you last week. [22:01:44] hi jorm! [22:02:00] the same! i enjoyed your talks! looking fwd to athena [22:02:18] Lydia! [22:02:21] thanks. i am, too. [22:02:27] I'm watching too :) [22:02:34] hi jem-! [22:02:51] Hi :) [22:02:51] ok - let's get started with some questions then [22:02:55] anyone got one? [22:03:09] what's the time right now in germany? [22:03:14] midnight [22:03:17] 00:04 [22:03:17] -.- [22:03:28] I don't have a question, but a comment: I'm very excited about this project, with everything I've seen so far. [22:03:36] \o/ [22:04:01] jorm: will you hit us on the head if we do horrible things in the second phase? [22:04:04] ;-) [22:04:05] of course. [22:04:09] good good [22:04:09] jorm: You're not the only one :) [22:04:16] but right now, i'm one of your biggest cheerleaders. [22:04:18] i am wary about the excitement, as we might have too many expectations we won't meet [22:04:32] but for now i see so many ways we will improve things [22:04:59] so, no one here for question? O.o [22:05:12] me. [22:05:19] yay [22:05:23] do ask away then [22:05:37] where to start... [22:05:46] the beginning! [22:05:47] from the beggining :) [22:05:51] <- smartass [22:05:52] ;-) [22:05:54] i have questions about infoboxes, but they're on behalf of the design team. [22:06:06] i expect they're premature, however. [22:06:18] i create infoboxes. probably can answer. [22:06:44] it is *currently* my expectation that what we think of as "infoboxes" will go the way of the dodo. extinct. [22:06:51] and become wikidata hooks. [22:07:04] (currently, they're templates) [22:07:06] no. the oposite, if you ask me. [22:07:16] okay. how is that? [22:07:52] not much will change because of wikidata. the article still contains the same infobox template in the wikitext. [22:08:03] we'll still have templates, but the values will be injected by wikidata? [22:08:11] ... except for some parameters. [22:08:20] yes, i think both of you agree [22:08:21] it seems to me that we should roll infobox into the core software, tbh. [22:08:48] e.g. the "|population = 1234" parameter will be gone. will be injected with an {{#tag}} in the template. [22:08:51] right? [22:08:55] yes [22:09:00] i can see that working. [22:09:19] but i wonder if something like {{#infobox "Berlin"}} might be better. [22:09:33] please explain. [22:09:38] because then it would know how to auto-translate to whatever language it was displayed in. [22:09:44] okay. [22:09:56] say we have multiple infoboxes, right? [22:10:00] yes. [22:10:03] i think i understand. that would require for wikidata actually to host the template / the infobox layout, right? [22:10:20] and "Berlin" has this metadata: type=city, name=Berlin, etc. [22:10:29] not the layout so much, but all the data. [22:10:31] a meta wiki for infoboxes. kollosos wants this for the map and coordinate stuff. [22:10:41] ah [22:10:42] wait [22:10:47] *not* for the layout [22:11:05] explain more, i need to listen. I had a preconceived notion in mind of what you were suggesting, sorry :) [22:11:06] and we'd just edit the wikidata infobox data, and then hosting wikis would just use it, and it would update automatically when edited from data.wm.org [22:11:16] s'okay. i can explain all day. [22:11:27] In my opinion... global templates (not only for infoboxes) could and should exist, but probably as a different project [22:11:42] anyways. so we put {{#infobox Berlin}} on enwiki, and it fills out in english. but on hiwiki, it does so in Hindi. [22:12:18] it's really not that much different than having parameter injection, only it's just much more global and consistent. [22:12:37] right now, if an infobox template exists on hiwiki, it might not have all the same parameters. [22:12:44] you write {{Infobox city}} and the template will know it was called from the article "Berlin". [22:12:44] 10[1] 10http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_city [22:12:48] so the data wouldn't get updating. [22:13:16] say a wiki has a city infobox that (for some reason) doesn't have a population parameter. [22:13:24] so the population wouldn't disseminate. [22:13:29] (to that wiki) [22:13:46] but if the infobox was hosted centrally, then the population parameter would show up everywhere. [22:13:52] does that make sense? [22:14:39] it does but there are two problems with it - Denny_WMDE do you want to chime in on that or should i? [22:14:52] jorm: it would make sense, but in pratice each wikipedia language community wants to have different parameters shown in their local infoboxes [22:15:04] we will delete more and more parameters from the existing templates. in the end the article Berlin will contain only {{Infobox Berlin}} without any parameter. it will know it is in the article "Berlin". it will also know the language. [22:15:04] 10[2] 10http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_Berlin [22:15:21] it does make sense, but i am unsure if it that it what is wanted. the main reason being that we have a lot of more data than what is displayed in the infoboxes [22:15:40] also the infoboxes currenlty are hand-crafted and often done with a lot of love and detailed work [22:15:54] assuming a simple autogenerated infobox could be ok for starters for many languages [22:16:05] but replacing the current ones should probably be left for later, if ever [22:16:24] one way or the other, i guess that this feature would require more design [22:16:28] TMg: excactly. but i'm catching up. [22:16:41] and should be based on the experience with how phase 2 will be used [22:16:47] my concern is the workload for updating. [22:17:06] not sure if we think the same. what i mean: the template will still contain a list of parameters. but the article will not. [22:17:32] i assume that the templates will be written in a similar way as today: if there is no population, nothing will be shown. if there is, it will. [22:17:41] yes. [22:17:49] okay. so i'm hearing that, until we determine otherwise, infoboxes will inject wikidata bits. [22:17:58] rather than be served. [22:18:02] which is fine. [22:18:42] yes [22:18:44] this was my main concern (now solved): wikidata should not replace the templates. [22:18:59] currently there are no plans for that [22:19:15] it might happen in the future, but this would need a better understanding of how this would be accomplished [22:19:22] and it would probably lead to a hybrid world anyway [22:19:40] to replace templates in total would be impossible anyway, imho [22:20:00] first we should switch to Lua :) [22:20:23] hah! that was EXCACTLY my thought. [22:20:30] i was looking at performance enhancements. [22:21:13] i heard some impressive numbers there [22:22:08] basic things like a simple && (and) are insanely expensive currently. [22:23:05] my question is similar to jorm's [22:23:35] lets say the city infobox contains the population via {{#data:population}} or so... [22:23:57] i want it to always show the population from a specific source and from a specific date. [22:24:31] people shouls be able to add more population numbers from other sources and times but the infoboxes should not change due to this. [22:24:45] yes, will be possible [22:24:58] this should already be listed in the inclusion draft [22:25:03] there is some priority/prefered stuff in your concept but i don't think this is enough [22:25:08] you can either specify a source or a date [22:25:26] no, the priority stuff will not apply if you specify a source [22:25:27] i missed the date in the draft. [22:25:44] it is called "qualifiers" if i remember correctly [22:26:01] date is just a qualifier, and if it is specified then priority is overridden [22:26:14] priority is basically used when no source or qualifier is specified [22:26:28] (priority is called "rank" in the draft) [22:26:44] so if someone asks for population, we take the one with the top rank [22:27:07] if someone asks for the population according to the UNO, we take that one, no matter what rank [22:28:09] sounds good. i miss the "qualifier" thing in the inclusion syntax draft. [22:29:19] there is an example containing "|source=..." but thats it. [22:30:08] more questions? [22:30:08] we should expand the draft then [22:30:13] our bad [22:30:24] but definitively on our list [22:30:48] todo: how to ask for a value with multiple qualifiers. [22:32:44] how do you mean? [22:32:45] (i have more but please, ask your questions first...) [22:32:52] i asked my big one for now. [22:33:17] TMg: actually multiple qualifiers will probably just be conjunctive queries. i.e. if there is nothing fitting, no results [22:33:32] sorry? [22:33:45] everything else would be very confusing [22:33:45] my other stuff is about "how to make it easy to edit wikidata values with things like the visual editor and the like", but i expect i'll be involved in those conversations in some manner or not. [22:34:02] jorm: hey, this is my question too ;) [22:34:06] jorm: i am pretty sure you will :) [22:34:23] our current plan is to have that as widgets which can be easily deployed in different contexts [22:34:32] and then make them "callable" from the wikipedias too [22:34:34] i've also got ideas about how wikidata integrates with global profile. [22:34:50] that makes sense. [22:35:12] right now global profile is not on our list, but we are aware that it would be kinda useful in this field. e.g. a global babel, etc. [22:36:11] my question is how these widgets work together with the HTML/CSS/Wikitext mxture I use to create a template. [22:36:45] TMg: they probably don' [22:36:47] t [22:36:58] i think i need at least a little bit of css to style everything... [22:37:07] here, i am afraid, editing and viewing would look ver differently [22:37:19] no inline editing? [22:37:27] yes, kind of [22:37:33] but no wysiwig [22:37:50] i.e. you have the display of a date of birth on shakespeare [22:38:00] you want to edit it [22:38:10] you get a widget that allows you to edit a date of birth [22:38:23] taking care of thinks like different calendar models [22:38:32] edit mode, curate mode, read mode. [22:38:35] but not necessarily looking like the end result when display [22:38:36] yes [22:38:50] with "widget" meaning a little floating box? [22:39:06] in most cases, yes [22:39:42] ok, but i need a handle to call this widget. how does this look? i think this must be stylable. [22:39:59] i dont know that yet [22:40:08] (something like the blue (i) in imagemaps, but this is ugly...) [22:40:38] looking at the visual editor, they have a little arrow in a circle for editing contextes [22:40:40] not so important, just thinking..... [22:40:41] or selections [22:40:58] i think that could be used as inspiration for how to solve that problem [22:41:05] but really, we need to think of how to solve that [22:41:09] so, we're working on a style guide for technology things like this. [22:41:12] inspiration and suggestions are more than welcome [22:41:26] yes, we are keeping a close eye on that style guide [22:41:49] there are two right now, though. one i think more in your userspace, jorm, and one called the agora [22:41:53] i have everyone working on athena stuff this week, but next week we'll get back to finalizing color schemes and such. [22:41:55] i guess the latter one is the current one? [22:42:02] agora is what you should be following, yes. [22:42:16] ok [22:42:24] there is a "mediawiki style guide" and a "foundation style guide". agora is the second. [22:42:25] ... sometimes i need an edit "handle" for every single infobox row, sometimes a single for the whole infobox. this would be nice. more flexible. [22:43:38] agree. that is unsolved, as said. [22:44:05] like this ugly XML based template editor. i dont like it. [22:44:19] it destroys the article formatting. [22:44:28] hope to improve on that [22:44:36] but its a good starting point. [22:45:17] this one in case you dont know: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Helferlein/Vorlagen-Meister [22:45:59] is this the one done by yaron koren? [22:46:15] no, doesn't look like [22:46:19] i think he did something similar [22:46:40] link? [22:48:01] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateInfo maybe? [22:48:08] not sure, i think it is this one : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateInfo [22:48:11] yeah, maybe [22:48:22] looks a lot like it [22:49:06] we have about 10 minutes left [22:49:11] anything else to discuss? [22:49:48] I'd like to ask whether http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Setup is complete [22:49:54] "The main inspiration for this project is the Vorlagen-Meister". ;-) [22:50:23] lazowik: it should be - if not then it needs to be fixed [22:50:31] did you notice anything that's missing? [22:50:33] lazowik: i try to test it once a week, but havent the last two due to wikimania [22:50:40] two weeks ago it was [22:51:04] Well, somewhere I found that wbgetsitelinks is deprecated [22:51:24] but in my access.log I have /w/api.php?action=wbgetsitelinks&format=php&site=pl&title=Polska [22:52:03] And as a result "Unrecognized value for parameter 'action': wbgetsitelinks" [22:52:55] instead of wbgetsitelinks you can you wbgetitems [22:52:56] I didn't have time to dig into it [22:53:11] *...you can use… [22:53:27] So it is a bug? [22:53:41] My client wiki sends that requests [22:53:55] in that case that is a bug in the client [22:53:59] not updated yet [22:54:21] sorry, i am not completely up to date on the current state due to wikimania [22:54:22] I'd like to ask what our expected beta deployment window is. [22:54:33] (sorry to put anyone on the spot with that, though) [22:54:53] we have not yet reserved a window [22:55:04] probably a good plan. [22:55:13] Ok, I just wanted to be sure that I didn't miss anything [22:55:14] when i come back to germany next week it is pretty top on my todo list [22:55:29] don't kill yourself, mate. [22:55:31] i have discussed with robla how to proceed for that [22:55:34] 's a big project. [22:55:39] I'll dig into it later, goodnight! [22:55:51] i wan't to see it deployed rather sooner than later :) [22:55:57] lazowik: good night - let me know if you still need help with it tomorrow [22:55:59] the plan is for now, deploy the repository [22:56:10] and then deploy for two clients (i.e. wikipedias) [22:56:13] and then the rest [22:56:15] i as well. but better "tight and right" than "soon and loose" [22:56:18] Lydia_WMDE: ok, thanks [22:56:33] dewiki and enwiki? [22:56:44] jorm: you're adventurous :D [22:56:52] right now there huwiki has offered [22:56:53] i was gonna suggest some smaller ones. [22:56:58] nlwiki and sewiki, maybe. [22:57:01] and the discussion there seems to be very positive [22:57:03] huwiki is good. [22:57:20] swedish is generally experimental, i've found. [22:57:21] we are waiting for the huwiki community to decide [22:57:47] if no other community approaches us, we might go for sewiki [22:57:53] i mean, to approach them [22:58:01] it really needs the community to agree to that [22:58:01] at the wmf, we've gotten lots of good response to our experiments from hi and he, too. [22:58:15] he would be nice, due to the ltr [22:58:22] rtl [22:58:22] (i love how we just use ISO characters) [22:58:26] h* has the magic... [22:58:28] yes, that's one of the reasons we like it. [22:58:40] also we have a developer with some pull at he. [22:58:49] yep. [22:59:01] but i don't want to presuppose any discussions there [22:59:06] hindi just likes to deploy EVERYTHING. [22:59:29] sure, sure. [22:59:44] something i would have expected from ko [22:59:50] phrase it as "we would like you to have the honor of being one of the first wikis to deploy this..." [22:59:50] but i guess their community is just too small [23:00:00] absolutely :) [23:00:05] well, there's another thought, right? [23:00:16] small wikis - ones with 50 editors - they will have lots of stubs. [23:00:16] being? [23:00:29] and they will want to have wikidata templates and the like to flush those articles out. [23:00:29] that would be more relevant for phase 2 [23:00:37] in phase 1 it is really bout language links [23:00:43] point. [23:01:06] we do not have to use the same deployment order for both phases [23:01:20] makes sense. [23:01:35] in phase 2 actually a small wiki with a small number of active editors that know how to use bots would be perfect [23:01:42] like uzwiki or sth [23:01:50] or yoruba [23:01:54] so, i just want to re-iterate before we close off how excited i am about this, and enthusiastic. [23:02:05] :) thank you (bow) [23:02:06] and if you need ANY help from me - anything at all - just drop me an email or such. [23:02:20] ok. i will let especially henning know [23:02:50] of course. [23:02:54] and tobias, too. [23:03:09] thank you everyone for being here [23:03:16] indeed [23:03:18] thanks for coming [23:03:23] (were they at wikimania? i didn't see them.) [23:03:34] if you have more questions feel free to ask here or on the mailing list [23:03:42] jorm: no unfortunately not [23:03:43] Denny_WMDE: deploying at all incubator testwiki would be very easy, because you don't have to care about interwiki bots (my bot is the only one) and community decision isn't a problem, too [23:03:43] (though, i didn't see half the people i wanted to.) [23:03:59] OH. You can also deploy to mediawiki.org. [23:04:06] if you want. not that it's probably useful. [23:04:16] we can have that community discussion in, like, 3 minutes. [23:05:02] lol jorm - we're not that desperate quite yet ;-) [23:05:04] jorm: and how many existing langlinks to wikipedia wikis? [23:05:16] exactly zero. [23:05:28] but maybe a test bed for technology. [23:06:10] our consensus discussions are like this, in irc? "anyone have a problem with X, Y, or Z? No? Make it so." [23:06:43] i'm in the wrong project. ;) [23:07:01] our RFAs are the easiest ever. [23:07:14] "I'm gonna give so-and-so admin." "Okay." [23:09:14] http://www.flickr.com/photos/fabola/7571373262/in/set-72157630578652390 [23:10:38]