[01:05:51] <MatmaRex>	 James_F: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/235431 now has several more dependencies, and IMO is possibly okay.
[01:06:43] <MatmaRex>	 James_F: will review the stuff you wanted now
[01:39:14] <James_F>	 MatmaRex: Thanks.
[02:38:23] <MatmaRex>	 good night folks~
[06:55:18] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 6Editing-Department, 10Possible-Tech-Projects, and 2 others: Allow uploading of 3D files to Wikimedia Commons - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T3790#1684002 (10TasneemLo) @Moushira, yes it would be STL as that is the most popular format that most 3D printing softwares support. Did...
[07:39:39] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Siebrand: [C: 032] SpecialUploadWizard: Escape messages [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/241664 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113669) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[07:41:11] <krrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: SpecialUploadWizard: Escape messages [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/241664 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113669) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[10:24:15] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia: Stop form from submitting and turn validate debug mode off - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113968#1684439 (10Aklapper) @MarkTraceur: Which code project is this about?
[10:32:34] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10UploadWizard: 587 MB file to upload, chunked upload failed at assembling state - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112698#1684477 (10Inaki-LL) Ummm, sorry I am lost. The logs tell nothing to me... What I am supposed to do next? Thank you
[11:05:06] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Hashar: Update for I51f7966add: load oojs-ui.styles.icons [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238309 (owner: 10Catrope)
[11:06:31] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hashar: [C: 032] "Per MarkTraceur" [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238309 (owner: 10Catrope)
[11:07:35] <krrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update for I51f7966add: load oojs-ui.styles.icons [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238309 (owner: 10Catrope)
[11:11:30] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS9) 10Gilles: Turn mmv-next/mmv-prev into OO events [extensions/MultimediaViewer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/173916 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77253) 
[11:13:25] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Gilles: Turn mmv-next/mmv-prev into OO events (031 comment) [extensions/MultimediaViewer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/173916 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77253) (owner: 10Gilles)
[11:39:49] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-File-management, 7Performance: Remote file thumb generation blocks serving a page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114098#1684569 (10Nemo_bis) 3NEW
[11:51:03] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 7Epic, 5Patch-For-Review: Be able to embed an upload dialog so that other extensions (e.g. WikiEditor, VisualEditor) can provide it to users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91717#1684587 (10Prtksxna)
[11:51:04] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia: Figure out legal text to be put in the mw.ForeignStructuredUpload.Dialog.js - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111910#1684585 (10Prtksxna) 5Open>3Resolved @slaporte says he's happy with this (over email)
[12:00:15] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-File-management, 7Accessibility, 5Patch-For-Review: SVG client side rendering - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T5593#1684608 (10Perhelion) I have a last strong idea/suggestion (to the contra argument **bad SVG**): How about setting up the Reviewer system (Wikipedia:Flagged revis...
[12:05:46] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-extensions-GWToolset: Could GWToolset upload faster please? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114099#1684611 (10Hansmuller) 3NEW
[12:31:55] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-extensions-GWToolset: Could GWToolset upload faster please? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114099#1684651 (10Hansmuller) p:5Triage>3Normal
[13:11:48] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-File-management, 7Accessibility, 5Patch-For-Review: SVG client side rendering - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T5593#1684766 (10Nemo_bis) Such proposal is unrelated to this report. You can check whether there is interest for such a feature in the relevant talk pages, e.g. https:...
[13:44:33] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-extensions-GWToolset: Could GWToolset upload faster please? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114099#1684863 (10Hansmuller) p:5Normal>3Triage
[13:59:38] <marktraceur>	 Woohoo, back in single digits celsius, at least for a little bit
[13:59:44] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 7Epic, 5Patch-For-Review: Be able to embed an upload dialog so that other extensions (e.g. WikiEditor, VisualEditor) can provide it to users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91717#1684911 (10matmarex)
[14:40:00] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown: Implement International Image Interoperability Framework (IIIF) prototype service on Wikimedia labs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89552#1685049 (10Nemo_bis)
[14:56:40] <prtksxna>	 marktraceur: o/
[15:07:29] <marktraceur>	 Ohai prtksxna
[15:07:34] <marktraceur>	 How's it going?
[15:11:26] <prtksxna>	 marktraceur: Still in Delhi, but will be able to work now. More in your timezone than might though :P
[15:12:19] <prtksxna>	 42 revisions! Perfect.
[15:12:49] <James_F>	 OK, so.
[15:13:07] <James_F>	 Are we going to get https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/241918/ merged? How?
[15:13:35] <James_F>	 And ideally https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/235431/ on top of it. :-)
[15:16:39] <MatmaRex>	 James_F: try asking matt flaschen if he's around, we both previously worked on fixing up jquerymsg and i think we both know it better than we'd like to
[15:16:47] * James_F grins.
[15:18:18] <marktraceur>	 Is there anything else that needs to go in for FSUBL or whatever it is now
[15:18:49] <James_F>	 ?
[15:19:38] <prtksxna>	 I don't think there is, but I am checking.
[15:20:19] <prtksxna>	 MatmaRex: And yes, that message that you guys were discussing yesterday was useless.
[15:25:59] <James_F>	 :-)
[15:26:54] <prtksxna>	 MatmaRex: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F2644897 this isn't right, is it?
[15:28:02] <MatmaRex>	 prtksxna: it's a problem with the debug toolbar, there's a task filed somewhere
[15:28:24] <prtksxna>	 MatmaRex: I meant the calendar going out of the dialog
[15:28:45] <MatmaRex>	 that is intended
[15:29:01] <MatmaRex>	 the category selector dropdown does that too, if it's long enough
[15:30:25] <prtksxna>	 MatmaRex: Oh ok. There was no way to access it in my small window so I thought something was wrong, but I guess it was just my window that was too tiny.
[15:30:29] <marktraceur>	 Some very clever stuff MatmaRex did to accomplish it too :)
[15:33:46] <prtksxna>	 marktraceur: James_F stand up?
[15:33:56] <James_F>	 Sorry, meeting running late.
[15:34:17] <marktraceur>	 Oh, sorry
[15:34:30] <marktraceur>	 I was very busy discussing Cab Calloway
[15:34:38] <MatmaRex>	 prtksxna: edsanders: about the upload thingy, yesterday it got stuck for me after an upload failed for some reason. i'm not sure if the error recovery of the dialog works.
[15:34:47] <James_F>	 Hmm.
[15:35:36] <prtksxna>	 MatmaRex: Any specific steps to reproduce? 
[15:36:07] <MatmaRex>	 no. i only got that once while working on other stuff
[15:36:45] <MatmaRex>	 edsanders: also, i couldn't get the indicator on the "handle" of DateInputWidget and on the text field to appear in the same place. so if you feel like fiddling with it, be my guest
[15:45:01] <edsanders>	 MatmaRex, the error handling is poor
[15:45:15] <edsanders>	 it fails without an error for a simple warning
[15:46:50] <marktraceur>	 James_F, MatmaRex, this is a more straightforward patch than I was led to believe.
[15:47:25] <James_F>	 MatmaRex: Yeah.
[15:47:35] <James_F>	 Err. marktraceur.
[15:47:57] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: [C: 032] Turn mmv-next/mmv-prev into OO events [extensions/MultimediaViewer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/173916 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77253) (owner: 10Gilles)
[15:48:03] <James_F>	 edsanders: Once https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/235431/ lands how much work will it be for you to check the VE integration?
[15:48:40] <edsanders>	 not much, but the error handling needs improvement
[15:48:50] * James_F nods
[15:49:03] <edsanders>	 also
[15:49:12] <edsanders>	 what are we shipping in ve-mw?
[15:49:25] <edsanders>	 shouldn't ve-mw use regular uploadbooklet
[15:49:37] <edsanders>	 and ve-wmf using foreignUpload
[15:49:45] <krrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Turn mmv-next/mmv-prev into OO events [extensions/MultimediaViewer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/173916 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77253) (owner: 10Gilles)
[15:49:47] <edsanders>	 or should it be a VE config option?
[15:50:03] <James_F>	 edsanders: Probably config option defaulting to foreignUpload.
[15:50:24] <edsanders>	 regular users can't use foreignUpload
[15:50:37] <James_F>	 Regular farm users can.
[15:50:43] <James_F>	 But meh, sure.
[15:50:55] <marktraceur>	 Defaulting to local upload isn't a bad idea, I'd say
[15:51:04] <MatmaRex>	 you can use ForeignStructuredUpload to upload to local wiki perfectly well.
[15:51:12] <marktraceur>	 Fantastic
[15:51:19] <James_F>	 Let's do that, then?
[15:51:21] <MatmaRex>	 we've just mixed up the "foreign" and "structured" parts in one class
[15:51:26] * James_F nods.
[15:53:17] <marktraceur>	 MatmaRex: If I get this jquerymsg thing in, can you mergd FSUBL? I haven't seen it in a while, feel like you have a better grasp on how it's been
[15:54:30] <MatmaRex>	 marktraceur: probably
[15:54:36] <James_F>	 edsanders: Maybe do a first version without great error handling?
[15:54:57] * James_F mumbles briefly about arbitrary deadlines leading us to do possibly foolish things
[15:55:03] <MatmaRex>	 i'm not sure if we really want to release it somewhere visible in the current state
[15:55:16] <James_F>	 We could make it an experimental module.
[15:55:28] <James_F>	 That would mean it was only shown on Beta Cluster, not real production.
[15:55:46] <MatmaRex>	 if the upload goes well, then it's actually pretty great. but error handling sucks
[15:56:11] * James_F nods.
[15:56:15] <marktraceur>	 "probably" I like it
[15:56:31] <marktraceur>	 Leeeeeeroooooooy
[15:56:35] * James_F grins.
[15:59:57] <James_F>	 So… do we close T91717 or keep it open for error handling?
[16:00:17] <marktraceur>	 Keep it open, we need to deal with it before we move on
[16:00:22] <marktraceur>	 But not before we say we met our goal
[16:00:25] <marktraceur>	 Lol goals.
[16:00:39] * James_F nods.
[16:00:50] <James_F>	 Rather than as a distinct task?
[16:00:51] <MatmaRex>	 James_F: experimental sounds like a good idea
[16:00:59] <marktraceur>	 Oh, I mean, I guess we could file a new task
[16:01:06] <James_F>	 Kk. edsanders, does that work for you? Is it structured to make that possible?
[16:01:09] <edsanders>	 MatmaRex, either way - we need wmf instances to upload to commons, and all others to upload locally
[16:01:16] <edsanders>	 through some config
[16:01:18] <James_F>	 MatmaRex: That
[16:01:21] <James_F>	 Bah.
[16:01:40] <James_F>	 MatmaRex: That something that should be in the mw-config setting for MW-core, though?
[16:02:00] <MatmaRex>	 hmm?
[16:02:31] <edsanders>	 if this code loads optionally then I need to add some more logic
[16:02:39] <MatmaRex>	 edsanders: we have that config, kind of
[16:03:12] <MatmaRex>	 marktraceur added the $wgRemoteUploadTarget thing
[16:03:23] <MatmaRex>	 although it seems that we only used it for messages, not for actual target…
[16:03:54] <MatmaRex>	 so that's weird
[16:04:40] <MatmaRex>	 James_F: marktraceur: do we need https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/235431/ in this branch cut? i'm not sure if we should merge it
[16:04:57] <MatmaRex>	 if we don't need it, i'd keep it unmerged, fix things up and avoid followups.
[16:04:58] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia: Improve error handling UX in the mw.ForeignStructuredUpload.BookletLayout - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114130#1685394 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 3NEW
[16:05:14] <James_F>	 MatmaRex: I think we want it in this cut ideally.
[16:05:22] <marktraceur>	 Heh
[16:05:27] <marktraceur>	 Yeah, I'd say put it in
[16:05:39] <marktraceur>	 But mostly because of arbitrary deadlines
[16:05:42] <MatmaRex>	 blergh
[16:06:14] <marktraceur>	 But also because I don't see much reason to hold it back
[16:06:26] <marktraceur>	 I thought it was pretty solid
[16:06:35] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10UploadWizard: Unescaped messages on Special:UploadWizard - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113669#1685410 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved
[16:06:38] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10MassAction, 10MediaWiki-Internationalization, 10MediaWiki-extensions-GWToolset, and 4 others: Special pages, actions and views whose messages don't escape text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85864#1685413 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[16:07:04] * James_F nods.
[16:07:22] <James_F>	 "Let's not make 'perfect' the enemy of the 'good'" and all that rot.
[16:08:16] <MatmaRex>	 that saying should have "good enough".
[16:09:08] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10Analytics-EventLogging, 10UploadWizard: Half the time, 100% of UploadWizardExceptionFlowEvent events are dropped - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113366#1685426 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[16:09:09] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10UploadWizard: Remove UploadWizardException EventLogging schema - no longer necessary - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113780#1685427 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[16:09:22] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10UploadWizard, 7Technical-Debt: Remove UploadWizardExceptionFlowEvent EventLogging schema - no longer necessary - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113780#1685430 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[16:09:32] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10Analytics-EventLogging, 10UploadWizard: Half the time, 100% of UploadWizardExceptionFlowEvent events are dropped - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113366#1685433 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Normal
[16:09:52] <MatmaRex>	 i think we've been trying to finish it in too much haste, and made some questionable decisions and introduced some bugs in the process.
[16:10:14] <MatmaRex>	 if i was wearing my volunteer hat right now, i'd probably be trying to get it reverted.
[16:10:18] <MatmaRex>	 also needs release notes. :P
[16:11:21] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-File-management, 7Availability, 7Performance: Thumbnails failing to be created (400 error) due to metadata caching problem - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113198#1685441 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Low
[16:11:51] <marktraceur>	 Well, we might need to say "wait until next week", though by then at least we'll hopefully have a VE button too.
[16:11:59] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-File-management, 10MediaWiki-Uploading: Prevent upload of new version of a file when it's the same as the current version - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113900#1685451 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Normal
[16:12:44] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-File-management, 7Performance: Remote file thumb generation blocks serving a page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114098#1685462 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Normal
[16:13:58] <James_F>	 By today we'll have a VE button. edsanders's impressive like that.
[16:14:10] <marktraceur>	 Rockin'
[16:14:20] <James_F>	 (No pressure.)
[16:14:56] <marktraceur>	 Let's see, we have until Wednesday...
[16:15:15] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Media, and 2 others: Button in VisualEditor to initiate Commons file uploading, and insert image on completion - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T40030#1685475 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[16:15:18] <marktraceur>	 James_F: If we've got it up on mw.org by then, that should be a decent accomplishment, right?
[16:15:19] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10UploadWizard: Image uploading social workflow and motivation - display result on context pages! - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T35234#1685477 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[16:15:21] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 7Epic, 5Patch-For-Review, 5WMF-deploy-2015-09-29_(1.27.0-wmf.1): Be able to embed an upload dialog so that other extensions (e.g. WikiEditor, VisualEditor) can provide it to users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91717#1094319 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[16:15:28] <James_F>	 Yeah.
[16:15:46] <James_F>	 But yes, once things settle down MatmaRex is right that we need release notes, maybe an announcement.
[16:16:26] <marktraceur>	 True.
[16:16:39] <marktraceur>	 Perhaps fitting that we're moving into 1.27
[16:16:47] <James_F>	 Indeed.
[16:19:16] <marktraceur>	 prtksxna: Do you have the bandwidth to get error handling and release notes done this week?
[16:19:27] <marktraceur>	 If not, how can we help
[16:33:44] <MatmaRex>	 (i gotta run out for a while.)
[16:37:26] <edsanders>	 James_F, VE button?
[16:37:52] <James_F>	 edsanders: It's marktraceur's short-hand for "control inside VE to initiate file upload to Commons".
[16:38:01] <James_F>	 edsanders: In this case, a tab. :-)
[16:45:17] <marktraceur>	 Details
[16:52:25] <James_F>	 marktraceur: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/240116 is Ed's WIP if you're curious.
[17:25:40] <MatmaRex>	 (i'm back here.)
[17:26:05] <James_F>	 Hey MatmaRex.
[17:26:15] <James_F>	 MatmaRex: Do you need anything in OOUI this week?
[17:26:42] <James_F>	 Currently 0.12.10 is looking a bit empty. :-)
[17:27:14] <MatmaRex>	 James_F: only thing that was blocking my stuff was the change i backported
[17:27:22] * James_F nods.
[17:27:41] <James_F>	 Plus https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/231059/ of course. :-)
[17:32:32] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-File-management, 7Performance: Remote file thumb generation blocks serving a page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114098#1685862 (10Bawolff) >The local configuration for InstantCommons/remote files can probably be improved, but however bad a local configuration is this should no...
[17:32:52] <James_F>	 MatmaRex: If nothing else, it'd be nice to tackle to error state handling in FSUD.
[17:36:06] <MatmaRex>	 mhm
[17:47:59] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-File-management, 7Performance: Remote file thumb generation blocks serving a page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114098#1685963 (10Isarra) > * One could use 404 rendering with commons so that it doesn't block on downloading the (potentially large) image from commons. [probably...
[17:53:50] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10TheDJ: [C: 032] Re-enable 2-pass Theora encoding [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/240446 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109658) (owner: 10Brion VIBBER)
[17:54:37] <krrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Re-enable 2-pass Theora encoding [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/240446 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109658) (owner: 10Brion VIBBER)
[17:55:28] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-File-management, 7Performance: Remote file thumb generation blocks serving a page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114098#1686077 (10Bawolff) thumb.php/thumb_handler.php doesn't like foreign repos, which is the major blocker for using 404-handlers with instant commons. (T27958)...
[18:45:40] <Dragonfly6-7>	 I'm having a weird issue with Media Viewer
[18:45:55] <Dragonfly6-7>	 specifically, there's a weird issue with Firefox, and Media Viewer circumvents that
[18:47:02] <Dragonfly6-7>	 even more specifically, Firefox 41.0 won't load .gifs from WMF servers
[18:47:14] <Dragonfly6-7>	 I can load gifs from other sites, and I can load WMF gifs with other browsers....
[18:47:38] <Dragonfly6-7>	 but I can't load 'em unless I do stuiff like ctrl-F5 or use MediaViewer
[18:48:43] <marktraceur>	 Hi Dragonfly6-7.
[18:49:04] <marktraceur>	 andre__ actually gave you moderately bad advice, as this team doesn't maintain MMV anymore officially
[18:49:16] <marktraceur>	 However, excuse me while I try to reproduce your issue
[18:50:08] <marktraceur>	 Dragonfly6-7: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario:Jonah_StarFire/Destacado/Archivo <-- so this page is totally still and has broken images, in Firefox?
[19:00:32] <Dragonfly6-7>	 moment
[19:00:51] <Dragonfly6-7>	 hm
[19:00:57] <Dragonfly6-7>	 actually, no. It's animated.
[19:01:03] <Dragonfly6-7>	 how very odd.
[19:03:12] <Dragonfly6-7>	 the various example images in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIF     are all dead, though
[19:04:05] <marktraceur>	 OK, checking that.
[19:04:15] <marktraceur>	 I see those moving
[19:04:24] <marktraceur>	 Dragonfly6-7: Are they still, or not loaded at all?
[19:04:44] <Dragonfly6-7>	 marktraceur - on [[GIF]] ? Not loaded at all.
[19:05:02] <Dragonfly6-7>	 on Jonah StarFire's little archive of animated gifs? They're all moving.
[19:09:16] <gilles>	 tgr: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2015/09/flash-free-clipboard-for-the-web/
[19:10:51] <gilles>	 http://caniuse.com/#feat=clipboard
[19:14:59] <marktraceur>	 James_F: Wikibase on Commons life signs check
[19:17:03] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-File-management, 7Availability, 7Performance: Thumbnails failing to be created (400 error) due to metadata caching problem - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113198#1686541 (10Ajfweb) Interestingly these specific files seem to be fixed now. I don't know how that happe...
[19:21:42] <tgr>	 gilles: nice, thanks!
[19:22:23] <gilles>	 looks like it's quite usable in current ffox/chrome/opera. there might be caveats about field focus, but the limitation of the call being only available to click handlers makes sense
[19:26:56] <James_F>	 marktraceur: It's dead, Jim?
[19:28:44] <marktraceur>	 James_F: Damn it, Jim
[19:29:12] <James_F>	 marktraceur: Dammit, Jim, I'm a Product Manager, not a Necromage!
[19:29:22] <thedj>	 u sure ?
[19:29:37] <thedj>	 take it's treasure anyways...
[19:30:42] * James_F grins.
[19:45:01] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-File-management, 7Availability, 7Performance: Thumbnails failing to be created (400 error) due to metadata caching problem - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113198#1686644 (10Bawolff) The width/height cache for file metadata has an expiry date of 7 days. So its been...
[19:49:29] <Dragonfly6-7>	 marktraceur - any other ideas?
[19:50:49] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-File-management, 7Availability, 7Performance: Thumbnails failing to be created (400 error) due to metadata caching problem - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113198#1686699 (10Bawolff) Given recent efforts to move to different levels of caches (e.g. WAN cache vs non-W...
[19:54:01] <marktraceur>	 Dragonfly6-7: Sorry, got distracted, one sec
[19:57:49] <marktraceur>	 Dragonfly6-7: Mind pulling up developer tools so we can look for network logs for the images?
[19:58:21] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-General-or-Unknown, 5MW-1.27-release, 5WMF-deploy-2015-09-29_(1.27.0-wmf.1): Improve mw.widgets.CategorySelector so that it can be used in something like HotCat - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113462#1686743 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[19:58:38] <Dragonfly6-7>	 marktraceur - you're  going to have to walk me through how to do that
[19:58:46] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10UploadWizard, 5WMF-deploy-2015-09-29_(1.27.0-wmf.1): location entry tooltip should link to [[commons:Commons:Geocoding]] - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T36336#1686758 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[19:58:47] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-Uploading, 7Easy, 5MW-1.27-release, 5WMF-deploy-2015-09-29_(1.27.0-wmf.1): upload by url of something that's not  a url doesn't give error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T34361#1686759 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[19:58:58] <marktraceur>	 Dragonfly6-7: Shift-Ctrl-K
[19:59:11] <marktraceur>	 Click on Network in the top right area of the window
[19:59:22] <Dragonfly6-7>	 do you want me to go to a  non-loading image page first?
[19:59:25] <Dragonfly6-7>	 or after?
[19:59:28] <marktraceur>	 Then refresh the page and look for status codes like 404, 500, etc.
[19:59:31] <marktraceur>	 Before
[19:59:35] <Dragonfly6-7>	 okay
[19:59:36] <prtksxna>	 marktraceur: I was using the default OO.ui.Error stuff in the process dialog without understanding it much. I'll try and figure out what is going on if ping you if i need more information from mw.Upload
[19:59:45] <marktraceur>	 OK, cheers prtksxna
[19:59:57] <marktraceur>	 All the error information should be there but I could maybe make it easier to understand
[20:00:01] <prtksxna>	 marktraceur: I am sure a description along with error and warning will help
[20:00:21] <prtksxna>	 marktraceur: Right, we did discuss documenting possible error states at some point
[20:01:14] <Dragonfly6-7>	 so, I'm at [[Fingerpori]]
[20:01:28] <Dragonfly6-7>	 the image is dead
[20:01:41] <Dragonfly6-7>	 shift-ctrl-k
[20:01:53] <Dragonfly6-7>	 and I've clicked on 'Network'
[20:02:07] <marktraceur>	 Dragonfly6-7: Now refresh the page
[20:02:22] <Dragonfly6-7>	 I did
[20:02:47] <Dragonfly6-7>	 what information do you need now?
[20:02:51] <marktraceur>	 OK, now we're looking for a network response that has 404 or 500 next to it
[20:03:14] <marktraceur>	 Or rather, look for the request that starts with 300px-Fingerpori-example and click on that row
[20:03:30] <Dragonfly6-7>	 everyhing has a little orange triangle next to it, excpet for the 450px-Fingerpori-example   which has a greyed-out circle
[20:03:33] <prtksxna>	 marktraceur: > It is. (from https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/240874/2)
[20:03:34] <prtksxna>	 What is?
[20:03:49] <Dragonfly6-7>	 and in the column with the number of the status message, everything is 304 except for the Fingerpori example strip, which is <empty>
[20:05:07] <marktraceur>	 Dragonfly6-7: Hm, so the request must not have worked
[20:05:33] <marktraceur>	 prtksxna: setMissing is in that prototype.
[20:05:58] <prtksxna>	 marktraceur: I said that is probably shouldn't be as its private too, just to be consistent with the others
[20:06:29] <Dragonfly6-7>	 hm
[20:06:34] <prtksxna>	 marktraceur: Of course that was before MatmaRex pointed out that those methods need to be shared across instances of CapsuleWidgetItems
[20:06:37] <Dragonfly6-7>	 shall I try looking at that with the MediaViewer now?
[20:07:05] <marktraceur>	 Dragonfly6-7: Go for it, but of course it's a different request
[20:07:22] <marktraceur>	 Dragonfly6-7: Also, try right-clicking on that request and copying the URL, maybe navigating directly to it will work
[20:08:08] <Dragonfly6-7>	 I'll do the second thing first
[20:08:35] <Dragonfly6-7>	 okay, navigating directly to it works
[20:09:07] <marktraceur>	 Interesting.
[20:09:13] <Dragonfly6-7>	 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6f/Fingerpori_example_comic_strip.gif/450px-Fingerpori_example_comic_strip.gif
[20:09:16] <marktraceur>	 So maybe the thumbnail request just timed out for some reason
[20:09:38] <marktraceur>	 Dragonfly6-7: Wait, why do you have a 450px thumbnail when I have a 300px one?
[20:09:48] <Dragonfly6-7>	 no idea?
[20:09:56] <Dragonfly6-7>	 anyway, it just loaded in the article
[20:10:03] <marktraceur>	 Interesting.
[20:10:16] <marktraceur>	 I guess because you have it in the local cache now
[20:10:19] <Dragonfly6-7>	 yeah
[20:10:20] <Dragonfly6-7>	 makes sense
[20:10:22] <marktraceur>	 Dragonfly6-7: Try refreshing again?
[20:10:34] <Dragonfly6-7>	 ctrl-F5
[20:10:49] <Dragonfly6-7>	 ... the image still loads
[20:11:19] <Dragonfly6-7>	 hm
[20:11:30] <Dragonfly6-7>	 need to find another article with .gifs
[20:11:31] <Dragonfly6-7>	 hold on
[20:15:22] <marktraceur>	 OK
[20:15:53] <Dragonfly6-7>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_G._Ripley
[20:16:30] <Dragonfly6-7>	 and for
[20:16:31] <Dragonfly6-7>	 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Christopher_G._Ripley_of_the_Minnesota_Supreme_Court.gif/300px-Christopher_G._Ripley_of_the_Minnesota_Supreme_Court.gif
[20:16:37] <Dragonfly6-7>	 error message is <nothing>
[20:17:20] <Dragonfly6-7>	 although when I click directly on that URL here, it loads
[20:17:35] <Dragonfly6-7>	 but I shoudln't have to do that for each and every .gif I want to see
[20:18:44] <marktraceur>	 No indeed
[20:19:26] <marktraceur>	 We have different thumbnail sizes again for some reason
[20:19:30] <marktraceur>	 I get a 400px version
[20:19:39] <marktraceur>	 Er, 200px.
[20:20:12] <marktraceur>	 Dragonfly6-7: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering <-- the "Thumbnail size" preference. What is it set to?
[20:20:37] <Dragonfly6-7>	 hold on
[20:21:04] <Dragonfly6-7>	 220px
[20:21:40] <Dragonfly6-7>	 should I change it?
[20:22:26] <marktraceur>	 No, that's the default. Weird.
[20:22:35] <marktraceur>	 Also weird that I'd get 200px instead of 220px, maybe.
[20:22:43] <marktraceur>	 Is your browser zoomed in or something?
[20:22:57] <Dragonfly6-7>	 ... how would I know that?
[20:24:38] <marktraceur>	 I dunno, hit ctrl+0 and see what happens
[20:24:40] <marktraceur>	 That's zero
[20:25:01] <Dragonfly6-7>	 no change
[20:25:05] <marktraceur>	 But I'm pretty sure we don't bother adjusting based on zoom anyway, so
[20:25:09] <marktraceur>	 OK
[20:28:27] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-File-management, 7Accessibility, 5Patch-For-Review: SVG client side rendering - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T5593#1686910 (10Perhelion) @Nemo_bis: Sorry I really don't understand your comment, I mean this fully related to this topic (and I see also no relation to Help:SVG). W...
[20:31:07] <Dragonfly6-7>	 ... could it conceivably be an antivirus issue?
[20:34:14] <marktraceur>	 Dragonfly6-7: Seems like a stretch
[20:34:18] <marktraceur>	 But maaaaybe.
[20:34:53] <Dragonfly6-7>	 I'm opening Avast
[20:34:56] <Dragonfly6-7>	 any settings I should check?
[20:35:03] <marktraceur>	 Not that I know of, man
[20:35:12] * Dragonfly6-7 closes Avast
[20:35:15] <marktraceur>	 I can't see why even Avast would try to block Commons
[20:35:22] <Dragonfly6-7>	 and it's not just Commons
[20:35:27] <Dragonfly6-7>	 that Fingerpori example gif
[20:35:39] <Dragonfly6-7>	 it's not on Commons, it's Fair Use
[20:36:05] <Dragonfly6-7>	 similarly, if it was blocking commons, why would it allow jpgs and pngs?
[20:36:08] <marktraceur>	 Oh.
[20:36:11] <marktraceur>	 True!
[20:36:27] <marktraceur>	 And why would it decide to stop blocking it after the first attempt
[20:37:09] <Dragonfly6-7>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Ampt              https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/William_M._Ampt.gif/330px-William_M._Ampt.gif =>  <empty>
[20:37:11] <Dragonfly6-7>	 but
[20:37:18] <Dragonfly6-7>	 when I click on that URL
[20:37:48] <Dragonfly6-7>	 it's quite aggravating
[20:37:48] <marktraceur>	 Huh.
[20:38:00] <Dragonfly6-7>	 and why would it allow Media Viewer to circumvent this
[20:38:31] <marktraceur>	 Possibly because MMV's sizes are already loaded
[20:40:28] <Dragonfly6-7>	 hm
[20:46:32] <tgr>	 marktraceur: it's manually 200px-ed
[20:46:54] <wikibugs>	 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-File-management, 7Accessibility, 5Patch-For-Review: SVG client side rendering - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T5593#1686993 (10Bawolff) >>! In T5593#1684608, @Perhelion wrote: > I have a last strong idea/suggestion (to the only hard contra argument **bad SVG**): How about setti...
[20:47:26] <tgr>	 MMV does all kinds of weird tricks with thumbnail loading like AJAX requests so it's not really comparable to normal thumbnails
[20:47:51] <marktraceur>	 Yeah.
[20:48:16] <tgr>	 anyway sounds like a browser or browser plugin issue - start in safe mode, try other browsers
[20:48:22] <Dragonfly6-7>	 I have, and I have.
[20:48:31] <Dragonfly6-7>	 safe mode doesn't work, other browsers do
[20:48:38] <Dragonfly6-7>	 but I'd rather use Firefox
[20:52:31] <Dragonfly6-7>	 if I was insisting on having this work in, for instance, Netscape
[20:52:33] <Dragonfly6-7>	 or Mosaic
[20:52:38] <Dragonfly6-7>	 that'd be a different issue
[20:52:46] <Dragonfly6-7>	 but Firefox should work fine, dammit.
[20:53:19] <brion>	 Dragonfly6-7: tried with a blank new profile? I'd be suspicious of addons
[20:53:46] <Dragonfly6-7>	 how would I do that>
[20:56:15] <Dragonfly6-7>	 brion ?
[21:08:49] <brion>	 Sorry was away from keyboard
[21:09:16] <brion>	 Dragonfly6-7: exact directions depend on OS, you can google it up
[21:09:32] <brion>	 On Mac you hold down option while opening Firefox, then use the dialog that pops up
[21:22:29] <Dragonfly6-7>	 would "refresh" count?
[21:22:46] <Dragonfly6-7>	 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/refresh-firefox-reset-add-ons-and-settings        this?
[21:24:24] <Dragonfly6-7>	 because if so, I've already done that, to no avail
[21:29:33] <brion>	 Don't know
[22:42:11] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Legoktm: Only depend upon the DateInputWidget, not all of mediawiki.widgets [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242383 
[22:44:11] <legoktm>	 James_F: ^
[22:45:46] <James_F>	 legoktm: *cough* MW dependency *cough*.
[22:45:46] <James_F>	 But sure.
[22:46:37] <legoktm>	 James_F: huh?
[22:47:27] <James_F>	 legoktm: If UW was using extension.json we'd add a new MW version dependency, but sure.
[22:47:53] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] Only depend upon the DateInputWidget, not all of mediawiki.widgets [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242383 (owner: 10Legoktm)
[22:49:14] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Legoktm: Use a less fragile check to detect whether TitleBlacklist is installed [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242392 
[22:51:29] <James_F>	 marktraceur: Umm. Stupid question. Aren't mw.Upload and mw.ForeignStructuredUpload meant to be in Resources.php somehow? How are they loaded?
[22:51:55] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Kaldari: [C: 04-1] "Actually, I never saved the comment I was referring to since I was on the wrong patch. I've moved it to the current patch. Sorry about tha" (031 comment) [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/210176 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87981) (owner: 10Paladox)
[22:52:35] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 031] Use a less fragile check to detect whether TitleBlacklist is installed [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242392 (owner: 10Legoktm)
[22:53:11] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Legoktm: Use a less fragile check to detect whether TitleBlacklist is installed [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242392 
[22:53:26] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Legoktm: "PS2: Removed now unused global" [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242392 (owner: 10Legoktm)
[23:09:55] <krrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Only depend upon the DateInputWidget, not all of mediawiki.widgets [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242383 (owner: 10Legoktm)
[23:47:27] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Gergő Tisza: "Seems complete (haven't tested) although it could be made prettier." (032 comments) [extensions/MultimediaViewer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/187735 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87943) (owner: 10Gilles)