[07:47:05] 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-extensions-UploadWizard: Issues with Upload Wizard - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100935#1328334 (10Rillke) @MarkTraceur: [Hoo touched the files and someone pinged you in IRC.](http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23wikimedia-tech/20150530.txt) [08:24:22] 6Multimedia, 10Browser-Tests, 10MediaWiki-extensions-MultimediaViewer: Fix failed MultimediaViewer browsertests Jenkins jobs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94157#1328361 (10Gilles) [08:25:01] 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-extensions-UploadWizard, 5Patch-For-Review: UploadWizard fails uploading pdf with error message - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94562#1328362 (10Gilles) a:5Gilles>3None [08:28:28] 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-extensions-VipsScaler, 7Performance: Apply jpgcrush (mozjpeg) over all thumbnails - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T70145#1328376 (10Gilles) p:5Low>3Normal [08:29:28] 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-extensions-VipsScaler, 7Performance: Generate JPG thumbnails with ImageMagick + mozjpeg instead of IM alone - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T70145#1328379 (10Gilles) [08:59:14] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10Wikimedia-Media-storage, 7Tracking: Thumbnail/imagescaler (tracking) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T43371#1328399 (10Gilles) [08:59:17] 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-extensions-VipsScaler, 7Performance: Generate JPG thumbnails with ImageMagick + mozjpeg instead of IM alone - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T70145#1328397 (10Gilles) 5Open>3declined In my quest to reproduce the same level of sharpness, mozjpeg turned out not to be as great as... [09:57:32] 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-extensions-ImageMetrics, 6Mobile-Web, 7Performance: ext.imageMetrics.head shouldn't be loaded on mobile - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100378#1328466 (10Gilles) I think the main concern will go away as soon as you make it restricted to the file pages again. [10:48:52] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Skimboarding_Seal_Beach_11_25_11.webm how come vp9 transcoded ? [10:48:59] probably a q for marktraceur [12:28:13] matanya: It didn't. The webm ones failed and the ogg ones don't have video. [12:28:30] ah, ok. thanks [12:28:55] marktraceur: should i change my code to encode to vp8 ? [12:29:20] or vp9 will happen at some point ? [12:31:51] I dream of a world, where the sum of human knowledge can be recorded in a modern video codec [12:32:38] matanya: You should use vp8 for now. VP9 will happen some day, but not today [12:32:56] changed [12:32:58] We will probably get support for vp9 when vp10 starts to become popular ;) [12:33:18] re-encoding all will be fun [12:33:39] matanya: Its currently blocked on image scalars being upgraded to trusty (next step after image scalars is video scalars) [12:33:45] bawolff: this sounds to me like IE css support plan [12:34:24] "we will support css3 on IE10, no 11, no, lets give it a new name" [12:34:34] trusty doesn't have VP9 support either, but it sounds like once we have upgraded to that, its more likely people will be able to backport the package or something [12:34:56] why not go to jessie? [12:36:01] I don't know [12:36:07] * bawolff would like that [12:39:08] matanya: Anything you can do to nag/bother/convince ops folks to prioritize upgrading video scalars, would be awesome :) [12:39:28] bawolff: i think they already hate me for that :) [12:39:54] I've mostly given up trying to nag about this issue [12:42:30] BUT IT IS NOT THIS DAY!!! [12:45:37] matanya: In june 2014, I was told 2-3 months ;) [12:45:53] (On RT 6891) [12:46:00] which obviously didn't happen [12:47:11] bawolff: this https://phaibricator.wikimedia.org/T40785 took three years, and i was told it is "easy" [13:42:32] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 6operations, 7HHVM, and 4 others: Convert Imagescalers to HHVM, Trusty - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T84842#1328917 (10Joe) Since the latest test I did after ori found we needed that file was unsuccessful, and I have zero time to work on this at the moment, I'll release this ti... [13:42:42] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 6operations, 7HHVM, and 4 others: Convert Imagescalers to HHVM, Trusty - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T84842#1328918 (10Joe) a:5Joe>3None [14:08:22] I love en.wiki [14:08:23] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wakeboarding&type=revision&diff=665165745&oldid=665157482 [14:37:10] not sure if it's because it doesn't work in history view, but the TMH thumbnail is missing, making the video look borked [14:37:15] maybe that's what that person saw [16:22:29] marktraceur: James_F: i need to get some university stuff done, i'm leaving IRC so that it doesn't distract me. [16:55:38] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10Structured-Multimedia-Data, 10Wikidata, 7Tracking: Use the arbitrary access to Wikidata feature on Commons (tracking) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89594#1330314 (10Susannaanas) [17:19:07] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-extensions-GWToolset: GWToolset needs cancel functionality - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100972#1330522 (10jeremyb-phone) [17:22:03] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-Database, 6operations, and 2 others: internal_api_error_DBQueryError: Database query error while (mass) deleting file over api - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98706#1330544 (10chasemp) a:3aaron @aaron, did your patch address this successfully? I'm not sure where t... [17:22:19] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-Database, 7Wikimedia-log-errors, 7database: internal_api_error_DBQueryError: Database query error while (mass) deleting file over api - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98706#1330546 (10chasemp) [17:30:33] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-Database, 7Wikimedia-log-errors, 7database: internal_api_error_DBQueryError: Database query error while (mass) deleting file over api - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98706#1330576 (10aaron) The query mentioned by hoo will no longer be "FOR UPDATE", so that error ca... [17:31:58] 6Multimedia, 6Commons, 10MediaWiki-Database, 7Wikimedia-log-errors, 7database: internal_api_error_DBQueryError: Database query error while (mass) deleting file over api - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98706#1330586 (10aaron) 5Open>3Resolved [17:34:55] hi [17:36:14] Hi Juandev, what can we do for you? [17:36:36] just looking at your page, what you are working on [17:37:17] That might not be super up-to-date but OK :) [17:37:56] 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-extensions-VipsScaler, 7Performance: Generate JPG thumbnails with ImageMagick + mozjpeg instead of IM alone - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T70145#1330615 (10Tgr) Worth a bug report to the mozjpeg project, maybe? We might be a large/interesting enough use case to motivate them to... [17:38:54] now I understand why MW is important [17:39:16] how you will easy image upload in the future? [17:40:05] upload wizard is good, but not so good for mobile [17:44:15] can't be that bad to change the layout for mobile [17:45:52] I can see that in your 2016 vision that you plan smoother upload, but no details about it [17:46:37] and who stays behind this team? [17:47:08] Juandev: Me, marktraceur, prtksxna and MatmaRex. [17:47:20] dont you need more people? [17:47:31] Yes. But every project needs more people. [17:47:43] What projects would you cancel to make uploading better? [17:47:57] lol [17:48:13] well I think WMF has enough money to hire you more collegues [17:49:13] find more volunteers? [17:49:31] we talked about that last time on VE channel, that it would be nice to uploade image during editing without moving visually away from wp and you told me that is mutlimedia team [17:50:07] Juandev: That is exactly what the Multimedia team is working on now, yes. [17:50:14] GEOFBOT: well, I dont mind if you are payed or volunteering [17:50:19] Juandev: It's complicated, and will take several more months. [17:50:38] thats why we collect money to support those areas which needs to be supported [17:50:39] GEOFBOT: Sure, but Web-scale multimedia experience is rare and there are few volunteers. :-( [17:51:42] :/ I should learn more cool stuff so I can help moaarrrr [17:51:46] James_F: and problem of English categories on commons thats also the work of the team? [17:52:33] Juandev: It's on the list of things that we think we can get done through putting structured data on files – "Wikidata for Commons". [17:52:57] ok, I will call to Germany to work harder [17:53:12] Juandev: We're talking about it with the Wikidata team, but it's slow going. It's a huge project that we're not currently funded for (and neither are they). [17:53:30] GEOFBOT: We'd be happy to work with you if you're interested, regardless of how much experience you have. :-) [17:53:59] anyway I am asking, because there is a plan in my country to have more children and teenage involvment in Wikimedia Commons [17:54:15] * James_F nods. [17:55:40] there are two databases which were chosen for this project. One is zonerama.cz and the other one is Commons [17:55:44] hmmmmm, I pick at the occasional 'easy' bug in my spare time :P [17:56:04] GEOFBOT: Everything helps. [17:56:16] now with Media Viewer Commons image viewing looks of the same quality as zonerama [17:56:22] But not editing? [17:56:28] but what you plan for 2016 its even much better [17:57:00] James_F: no, no editing. Wikipedia is for such young people to much difficult [17:57:45] they will have to make a photografic documentation of certain "objects" (I think we will try to propose those, which are still missing on wp.) [17:57:57] should there be some kind of filtering for kids on commons? there is some nsfw stuff on there [17:58:01] Juandev: Editing includes uploading media, adding tags to images, sorting things. [17:58:12] GEOFBOT: Let's not start that holy war back up again, please. [17:58:16] they will have to desribe their picstures, categories perfectly and than maybe ad to wp articles [17:58:21] sorry, just wondering :P [17:58:35] Juandev: Setting categories in English is hard. [17:58:46] thats why I am asking about that [17:59:25] GEOFBOT: thats more like the q for c community [17:59:56] James_F: ah I missunderstood you. Yes editing [18:00:38] this year they trained teachers and probably next year follow students [18:00:38] Juandev: Yes, though if there are technical requests it's good that Engineering can support the community in the middle of the discussion. [18:01:51] I wonder categorising would probalby bee the most diffuclt part [18:02:34] but on the other side: you have very simmilar information in title, desription and category. So why the hell to write it 3 times and that translate description also to other languages [18:03:27] GEOFBOT: what kind of filtr do you think? [18:03:36] Juandev, don't think a filter would be a good idea because it is super controversial [18:04:15] GEOFBOT: yes, I agree with you [18:04:31] basically if you want tell, they dont know that you should be filtered [18:05:12] and there is the idea we should create a helpdesk which might also be kind of communication between commons users and "new" commons users [18:06:15] last time wanted to upload from my sell phone and well, uploading to social networks like twitter would be easy, but not to Commons [18:06:27] what about an app for that? [18:06:45] There was a commons app [18:06:56] RIP https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Commons [18:10:50] GEOFBOT: do we know what was the cause of death? [18:11:04] not maintained because people didn't have time [18:17:08] I see [18:17:26] so it could be resuscitated if needed right? [18:17:54] * Juandev just red team reports [18:18:06] but thats a great work you did guys in such a small team! [18:18:39] but It looks media is not so big priority for WMF [18:18:55] all the core members are in SF office? [18:23:14] Of our team? [18:23:18] None of us are. [18:23:23] Well, James_F [18:47:47] marktraceur: yes, you dont sound to be there [18:47:59] ...what? [18:48:39] marktraceur: nothing [18:50:10] Juandev: Well, if there's anything we can help you with... [18:50:25] nope [18:50:31] Juandev: FWIW if you're looking at the 2016 Multimedia Vision document, I think a good portion of it is no longer relevant [18:50:33] err yeah [18:50:43] lol [18:50:50] and what si relevant than? [18:51:25] Honestly I'll be happy if we get uploads working from VisualEditor [18:51:34] Beyond that we don't have any goals set [18:51:41] But I foresee some work on TMH at least [19:01:43] umm [19:02:00] so that idea with being more social in 2016 agenda is dead? [19:02:23] Unless you know ten engineers who want to volunteer to make it happen, I'm thinking yes. [19:05:46] (03PS21) 10TheDJ: Improve live loading and ResourceLoader behavior [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/172421 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T74675) [19:13:28] can't be that bad. I can work on little morsels if needed. [19:13:57] GEOFBOT: There's also the issue of convincing enwiki to allow social networking buttons on the site...which won't happen [19:14:01] Nor really would it on Commons [19:14:08] So I dunno how useful this can be. [19:14:12] meh, commons would do it [19:14:21] enwiki would not [19:14:28] You think Commons would? [19:14:40] Well there is a fighting chance they would [19:14:47] I'd imagine there would be something about grand principles that would get in the way... [19:15:27] They are already overdosing on Freedom with a capital F as in Stallman. They're not going to care about social media links [19:15:40] enwiki drama [19:16:19] * bawolff should actually read backscroll to make sure we are talking about what i think we are [19:16:26] "Commons - We put the 'F' in Stallman" [19:16:54] bawolff: True, though. And yeah, this is about the Media Vision for 2016 that fflorin did Back In The Day [19:17:16] fabrice was planning all the way to 2016? That was optimistic [19:17:31] was reading over some mediaviewer backlash the other day [19:21:55] Anyways, there was social media icons on commons for much longer then you'd expect before the pitch forks came out ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Gadget-Stockphoto.js#Social_networking_icons ) [19:40:01] bawolff: i should not listen to you :) [19:40:17] Hmm, what did i do? :P [19:40:54] joe unassigned the video==>trusty task [19:41:15] Oh yeah, I saw that [19:41:34] But I don't think he was really working on it very much before that, so I doubt its your fault [19:41:51] up to 2h a week [19:56:10] (03PS22) 10TheDJ: Improve live loading and ResourceLoader behavior [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/172421 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T74675) [19:59:37] 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-File-management: File sizes should respect the user OS (SI units vs. Non-SI units) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99360#1331398 (10brion) 5Open>3declined a:3brion Flipping displayed unit scales around based on guessing host OS from user-agent sniffing sounds like a really c... [20:07:32] brion, coming in with the understatement :) [20:07:54] :) [20:43:22] (03PS23) 10TheDJ: Improve live loading and ResourceLoader behavior [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/172421 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T74675) [20:49:12] (03CR) 10TheDJ: "Patches rebased." [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/172421 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T74675) (owner: 10TheDJ) [23:28:33] 6Multimedia, 10MediaWiki-File-management, 7Performance: Thumbnail urls should be versioned and sent with Expires headers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T19577#1332360 (10Krinkle)