[00:07:18] <tgr>	 fabriceflorin: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67056
[00:10:18] <tgr>	 fabriceflorin: this bug occurs when MediaViewer uses thumbnail guessing and Commons files are available via InstantCommons
[00:10:46] <tgr>	 normally not a problem, since on WMF wikis Commons files are available directly, and on other wikis thumbnail guessing is disabled
[00:11:02] <tgr>	 so beta should be the only place where this occurs
[00:11:16] <fabriceflorin>	 tgr: Thanks, Gergo. here are some examples of beta files for which we get error messages: http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#mediaviewer/File:Barack_Obama_at_Cairo_University_cropped.jpg 
[00:11:55] <tgr>	 I can disable thumbnail guessing for beta, that would make it work, but I would prefer closer to the production cluster in terms of behavior
[00:13:01] <fabriceflorin>	 “Error: Could not load thumbnail data.” It’s referring to a strange upload URL on beta. I think I reported this issue before. 
[00:13:46] <fabriceflorin>	 tgr: Here’s a screenshot that Steven Walling sent me of his error message: https://i.imgur.com/1E8kvZF.png
[00:14:09] <fabriceflorin>	 Would it be helpful if I added these to the bug you sent me? Or opened a separate bug ticket?
[00:22:44] <fabriceflorin>	 tgr: FYI, you can see the new typography refresh with borderless thumbnails and no magnify icons here on beta: http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Barack_Obama — just scroll down the page a bit.
[01:29:09] <tgr>	 fabriceflorin: looks great
[01:31:04] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3MultimediaViewer: MediaViewer does not work on Beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67651 (10Tisza Gergő) 3NEW p:3Unprio s:3normal a:3None Due to bug 67056, MediaViewer fails to display thumbnails on beta, unless they have already been generated in production.
[01:31:16] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3MultimediaViewer: MediaViewer does not work on Beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67651 (10Tisza Gergő)
[01:31:22] <tgr>	 fabriceflorin: ^^ created a more specific bug for the MV issue
[01:32:01] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3MultimediaViewer: MediaViewer does not work on Beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67651 (10Fabrice Florin) p:5Unprio>3Normal
[01:32:02] <fabriceflorin>	 tgr: Thanks for doing this, much appreciated!
[01:46:17] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3Score: MIDI generation on Windows fails with "No MIDI file generated despite being requested"; Support "-dmidi-extension=midi" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47703#c2 (10gnosygnu) Hey, thanks for the reply as well as the instructions. I'll take a look at it within the week and po...
[03:33:24] <bawolff>	 Anyone know how messages in TMH actually work
[03:33:35] <bawolff>	 Like as far as I can tell, they have no right to actually work
[03:50:08] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS2) 10Brian Wolff: Launch videos in VLC app on iOS if installed [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144349 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61095) 
[04:01:15] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Brian Wolff: "Brion: Thank you for testing this." (034 comments) [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144349 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61095) (owner: 10Brian Wolff)
[04:13:34] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS2) 10Brian Wolff: Android native browser ending playback after 1 second [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144352 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43748) 
[04:23:31] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Brion VIBBER: "Yeah, I can live with the popup error when you don't have VLC installed. :) But the weird thing is that I keep getting the prompt to insta" [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144349 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61095) (owner: 10Brian Wolff)
[04:29:39] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Brian Wolff: "Hmm, I guess we could do something like var d = (new Date()).getTime(); then do that again in the handler, and say if its been more than a" [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144349 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61095) (owner: 10Brian Wolff)
[04:30:15] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Brion VIBBER: "Actually, something's wrong with my install and it's not giving me the updated JS. Need to poke at it and test again..." [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144349 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61095) (owner: 10Brian Wolff)
[04:39:14] <brion>	 awesome, safari seems to termporarily stop talking to the debugger when i switch away. *that*’ll make it easy to debug ;)
[04:39:44] <bawolff>	 lol, nice
[04:40:40] <bawolff>	 brion: btw, do you have a thumbnail of the video file before you hit the play button with that change. I'm wondering if lack of that was something weird with my friends phone (or my local install), or if that's a general problem
[04:41:13] <brion>	 bawolff: i do; might be a problem with the install — does it show in regular browser window?
[04:41:40] <bawolff>	 shows fine in firefox
[04:41:55] <bawolff>	 on my desktop that is
[04:42:43] <bawolff>	 I wouldn't be surprised if it was my install. There's a bunch of things about TimedMediaHandler that work on production but not on my test wiki (Which is very scary when one thinks about it)
[04:46:45] <brion>	 bawolff: ok, promptInstallTimeout fires before the pagehide event does
[04:46:46] <brion>	 wtf?
[04:46:48] <brion>	 that seems wrong
[04:47:45] <bawolff>	 increase timeout to 1 second maybe
[04:48:56] <brion>	 yeah, if i bump it up to 6 seconds it fires pagehide first. lemme try 1s
[04:49:10] <brion>	 must be waiting for the app-switch animation ;)
[04:49:15] <bawolff>	 lol
[04:49:16] <brion>	 i bet that’s slower on ipad than iphone 
[04:51:10] <brion>	 bawolff: ahhh, works much better :D
[04:51:22] <bawolff>	 Ok. lets use that
[04:51:30] <brion>	 at 1000ms it no longer prompts me on successful app switch
[04:51:33] <bawolff>	 I'm going to add a check for real world time too, just to be safe
[04:51:38] <brion>	 but still does if it was missing
[04:51:42] <brion>	 not a bad idea :D
[04:54:08] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Brion VIBBER: [C: 04-1] "Per testing & IRC convo: bump the timeout up from 600ms to 1000ms and it removes the false positive install prompts on my iPad Air. \o/ Ev" [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144349 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61095) (owner: 10Brian Wolff)
[04:54:46] <brion>	 should be good to go with the bumped timeout :D
[04:55:08] <brion>	 bawolff: and thanks for working on this — i always meant to try but TimedMediaHandler scares me ;)
[04:55:20] <bawolff>	 Its a scary place
[04:58:30] <bawolff>	 honestly one of the scariest parts of our code base imo
[04:58:45] <brion>	 :D
[04:58:52] <brion>	 they should give you hazard pay for mental health ;)
[05:03:02] <bawolff>	 brion: My favourite issue was when I found a line using the escape function (as in the old built in encodeURIComponent, but for iso 8859-1 not utf-8) to do html escaping
[05:03:18] <brion>	 nooooooooooooooo
[05:03:47] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS3) 10Brian Wolff: Launch videos in VLC app on iOS if installed [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144349 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61095) 
[05:04:35] <bawolff>	 Anyways, when I was at the wikiconference thing in New York earlier in the year, everyone was very whiney about video. My goal is to give them new things to complain about for wikimania ;)
[05:04:46] <brion>	 awesome :D
[05:06:28] <bawolff>	 So in regards to ogv.js - My understanding of the plan there, is that at some point somebody (Kaltura? multimedia team? somebody else?) is going to integrate the upstream kaltura library into timed media handler, and then either as part of that work ogv.js will be included, or ogv.js will be integrated at some point after that
[05:06:34] <bawolff>	 Is that roughly correct?
[05:07:27] <bawolff>	 I assume it doesn't make sense to really integrate it now-ish, as that's probably going to be a somewhat larger job then this little vlc thing, and TimedMediaHandler may significantly change in the not so distant future (supposedly)
[05:08:29] <brion>	 bawolff: there’s at least been some talk that it should be ‘easier’ to integrate in the kaltura player v2
[05:08:44] <brion>	 i don’t know for sure if there’s a schedule for doing that :D
[05:08:47] <bawolff>	 Well that's a positive
[05:08:59] <brion>	 but i am trying to give ogv.js a very <video>-like interface
[05:09:20] <brion>	 so in theory it shoul dnot be super hard
[05:09:21] <bawolff>	 Ok, so that should make things easier when it does come time to integrate
[05:09:27] <brion>	 *nod*
[05:09:47] <brion>	 i might give a shot at integration with the current player actually, just for shits and giggles :D
[05:09:59] <bawolff>	 Everytime I ask about the time table for kaltura player 2, it seems further in the future
[05:10:00] <brion>	 having this as a starting point at least tells me where i need to start looking
[05:10:08] <bawolff>	 six months ago it was any day now
[05:10:14] <brion>	 heh
[05:10:18] <bawolff>	 now its going to be six months in the future
[05:10:22] <brion>	 wiki schedules ;)
[05:11:24] <bawolff>	 btw, how stable would you say it is. I've tried the demo which is very impressive, I haven't looked at any of the code. Would you say its close to being ready for prime time, or is that still a ways off?
[05:12:15] <brion>	 well if we want fancy stuff like seeking that’ll require a fair amount more work
[05:12:37] <brion>	 but i think basic playback with pause/continue is something that we can make happen with a realistic amount of work
[05:12:37] <bawolff>	 meh, who really seeks in a video anyhow
[05:13:01] <brion>	 lemme check the bug list see what’s leaping out as killer
[05:13:03] <bawolff>	 As far as I'm concerned seeking is nice, but play/pause is really the important bit
[05:13:36] <brion>	 yeah, and if we want the all-flash backup it needs a little more polish for older IE versions
[05:14:16] <brion>	 buffering on large videos is pretty bad, it goes into memory… but short videos and audio are probably key usage so that’s livable
[05:15:31] <brion>	 oh and i have to make sure that the giant .js file doesn’t choke the minifier :D
[05:15:38] <brion>	 might have to load it separately
[05:15:50] <bawolff>	 lol, yeah, how big is that js file. I imagine its pretty huge
[05:16:18] <brion>	 let’s see
[05:16:26] <brion>	 my last build is 814,865 bytes uncompressed
[05:16:34] <brion>	 205,272 gzipped
[05:16:43] <brion>	 that’s actually not half bad
[05:16:53] <bawolff>	 yeah
[05:17:01] <bawolff>	 I was worried it might be bigger than the video file
[05:17:11] <brion>	 i could probably make a cut-down audio-only version too
[05:17:23] <brion>	 load that when we know it’s an audio file we’re playing
[05:18:05] <brion>	 and i have some cleanup to do on the webgl acceleration, but again that’s something i can leave as an experimental feature
[05:18:11] <brion>	 i bet we could have a demo for wikimania if we tried :D
[05:18:27] <bawolff>	 That'd be cool
[05:19:26] <bawolff>	 So basically what I'm wondering though, is in the mean time, should we persue trying to get the java applet signed, so there's some breathing room between having ogv.js operational in production, and while now
[05:19:50] <brion>	 ok lemme test this last version of the vlc patch
[05:20:41] <brion>	 seems like cortado should go out with dignity; fixing the signature is the least we can do ;)
[05:22:10] <bawolff>	 As a point of interest, I noticed the version on xiph.org that is "signed", is actually signed with a cert that is: not approved for code signing, several years expired, and missing the permissions attribute in the manifest file (which is supposedly required for signed apps)
[05:22:10] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Brion VIBBER: [C: 032] "Woo, works for me :D +2" [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144349 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61095) (owner: 10Brian Wolff)
[05:22:17] <bawolff>	 whee :)
[05:22:36] <brion>	 heh
[05:22:45] <brion>	 yeah i think that signature used to work… maybe… but it sure doesn’t now :D
[05:23:32] <bawolff>	 It actually works on my linux computer that has super old java
[05:23:42] <brion>	 nice
[05:24:08] <bawolff>	 Anyways, my last attempt to get it signed resulted in http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/multimedia/2014-June/000664.html - your influence could help making it happen :)
[05:25:04] <brion>	 i’ll write a followup in a bit :D
[05:25:15] <brion>	 meantime gotta download some os x beta updates \o/
[05:46:46] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS1) 10Brian Wolff: Override CSS link colour in pop up video [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144639 
[05:50:17] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3TimedMediaHandler: Link to VLC for video/audio on iOS instead of recommending an "HTML5 video browser" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61095#c3 (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) 5PATC>3RESO/FIX Come this time next week, we will be heavily encouraging users who click play on a video on...
[06:03:20] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3TimedMediaHandler: Safari does not display browser not supported error when loading video from an iframe - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67660 (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) 3NEW p:3Unprio s:3normal a:3None copied from https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimed...
[06:10:47] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3TimedMediaHandler: "vid is undefined" or "Cannot read property 'readyState' of undefined" after playing an audio file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67403#c1 (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) There are plans to replace this part of TimedMediaHandler with an upstream version of the "Kaltu...
[06:16:47] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3TimedMediaHandler: Audio thumbnails no longer resize - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61981#c1 (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) Hmm. What do you expect the upright parameter to actually do? (upright is a bad idea as a feature, I wish it didn't exist).  ----  Audio files support using the...
[06:29:03] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Brian Wolff: "Small follow-up gerrit change 144639 (Some css gets overriden if your viewing in the pop up in a dialog viewer)" [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144349 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61095) (owner: 10Brian Wolff)
[07:10:17] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3UploadWizard: Flickr API method=flickr.photos.licenses.getInfo requires SSL, we don't use it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67298#c12 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) Backported to REL1_23.
[07:37:30] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Siebrand: [C: 04-1] "i18n/L10n reviewed." [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 (owner: 10Paladox)
[07:51:59] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS1) 10Raimond Spekking: Fux syntax error [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144645 
[07:52:17] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Raimond Spekking: [C: 032] Fux syntax error [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144645 (owner: 10Raimond Spekking)
[07:52:23] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Fux syntax error [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144645 (owner: 10Raimond Spekking)
[07:53:29] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Siebrand: "Nice typo in commit message" [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144645 (owner: 10Raimond Spekking)
[07:53:57] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Raimond Spekking: "Syntax fix" (031 comment) [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144349 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61095) (owner: 10Brian Wolff)
[07:54:27] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Siebrand: Launch videos in VLC app on iOS if installed (031 comment) [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144349 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61095) (owner: 10Brian Wolff)
[08:23:25] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Paladox: "Hi I just copied the messages for EmbedPlayer I did not create them and I had a look at there qqq messages none are updated." [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 (owner: 10Paladox)
[10:06:16] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki / 3File management: Navigation on final page of Special:ListFiles pager should not loop back - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67627 (10Andre Klapper) p:5Unprio>3Normal
[10:27:23] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Paladox: "And I have created pull request to add something that were reported as a bug here. like mw.GetConfig and replace with mw.config.get" [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 (owner: 10Paladox)
[10:29:03] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS8) 10Paladox: Updating EmbedPlayer [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 
[10:29:06] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Updating EmbedPlayer [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 (owner: 10Paladox)
[10:34:15] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS9) 10Paladox: Updating EmbedPlayer [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 
[10:34:18] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Updating EmbedPlayer [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 (owner: 10Paladox)
[10:34:30] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS10) 10Paladox: Updating EmbedPlayer [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 
[10:34:43] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Updating EmbedPlayer [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 (owner: 10Paladox)
[10:41:24] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS11) 10Paladox: Updating EmbedPlayer [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 
[10:43:30] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Updating EmbedPlayer [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 (owner: 10Paladox)
[10:47:36] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS12) 10Paladox: Updating EmbedPlayer [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 
[10:47:39] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Updating EmbedPlayer [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 (owner: 10Paladox)
[10:49:13] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS13) 10Paladox: Updating EmbedPlayer [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 
[10:49:16] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Updating EmbedPlayer [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 (owner: 10Paladox)
[10:53:55] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Paladox: "Hi how can I rebase without losing the files because it wont let me do it or could someone else do it thanks." [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 (owner: 10Paladox)
[11:33:55] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS1) 10Paladox: Update TimedText [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144675 
[11:34:05] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS2) 10Paladox: Update TimedText [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144675 
[11:35:01] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Paladox: "Hi please could someone review this so that I know if there are any errors in it." [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144675 (owner: 10Paladox)
[11:44:12] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS3) 10Paladox: Update TimedText [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144675 
[11:44:21] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS4) 10Paladox: Update TimedText [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144675 
[11:46:12] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS14) 10Paladox: Updating EmbedPlayer [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 
[11:46:15] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Updating EmbedPlayer [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 (owner: 10Paladox)
[11:58:15] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Paladox: "Hi just looked through timedmediahandler.php and found that this function $wgVideoPlayerSkinModule = 'mw.PlayerSkinKskin'; no longer esits" [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 (owner: 10Paladox)
[13:21:36] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Paladox: "Tested all the files linked to this and it has errors in it. does not work." [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144675 (owner: 10Paladox)
[14:02:34] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Gilles: Android native browser ending playback after 1 second (031 comment) [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144352 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43748) (owner: 10Brian Wolff)
[14:38:26] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Gilles: [C: 032] Override CSS link colour in pop up video [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144639 (owner: 10Brian Wolff)
[14:38:37] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Override CSS link colour in pop up video [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144639 (owner: 10Brian Wolff)
[14:59:01] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki / 3File management: Images not purged from caching servers after deletion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67559#c6 (10Gilles Dubuc) Brian, do you know where in the code the varnish cache is supposed to get cleared on purge? I've only found mentioned of Squid so far and I wonder what mechanism l...
[15:02:17] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3MultimediaViewer: MultimediaViewer should not leave so many history entries when closed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62266#c21 (10Pau Giner) I think that it is desirable to achieve both: (a) Keep image specific URLs, and (b) avoid users to go through a long sequence of all the...
[15:18:01] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3MultimediaViewer: MultimediaViewer should not leave so many history entries when closed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62266#c22 (10Gilles Dubuc) And what if you want to use your browser's back button to get back to the 20th Kiwi image you viewed, after closing Media Viewer? If,...
[15:28:00] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Paladox: "Hi I have tested this and does not work brings up 500 error need helpt of find the error please. are there any programes for windows that " [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 (owner: 10Paladox)
[15:38:37] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10MarkTraceur: "Are you looking at the log files for your webserver? If so, the error should be at the bottom, no need to search for it..." [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 (owner: 10Paladox)
[15:48:18] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3TimedMediaHandler: Link to VLC for video/audio on iOS instead of recommending an "HTML5 video browser" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/61095#c4 (10Brion Vibber) (In reply to Bawolff (Brian Wolff) from comment #3) > Come this time next week, we will be heavily encouraging users who...
[15:51:54] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Paladox: "Well it doesent come up and when I set a setting in localsettings.php to show the errors it doesent and keeps showing a 500 error" [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 (owner: 10Paladox)
[15:54:42] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10MarkTraceur: "You put in the following, I assume:" [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 (owner: 10Paladox)
[16:08:18] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3MultimediaViewer: MultimediaViewer should not leave so many history entries when closed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62266#c23 (10Pau Giner) > And what if you want to use your browser's back button to get back to the 20th Kiwi image  You will click the "back" button, and then u...
[16:10:34] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Paladox: "Hi I have but nothing comes up just keep showing the 500 error screen." [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 (owner: 10Paladox)
[16:11:01] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10MarkTraceur: "By "the 500 error screen", do you mean a blank white page?" [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 (owner: 10Paladox)
[16:16:10] * gi11es gives medal of patience to marktraceur
[16:17:02] * marktraceur wears it for great justice
[16:17:21] <marktraceur>	 gi11es: Him asking IRC-type questions on Gerrit gives me time to calm myself in the breaks. :)
[16:24:39] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Paladox: "Yes. it is here my site http://wikisaur.tk/ I am currently running all the version of these extension I uploaded for vido." [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 (owner: 10Paladox)
[16:33:33] <marktraceur>	 gi11es: Coming?
[16:33:36] <gi11es>	 yeah
[16:33:40] <marktraceur>	 tgr (who isn't here?)
[16:35:15] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Brian Wolff: "Thank you for fixing this. I really need to be more careful with those qqq files. (When they were php i could just run them through php -l" [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144645 (owner: 10Raimond Spekking)
[16:36:47] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki / 3File management: Make MediaWiki:Sharedupload point to Commons with lang setting of that wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/10827 (10Nemo)
[16:38:03] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki / 3File management: Make MediaWiki:Sharedupload point to Commons with lang setting of that wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/10827#c7 (10Nemo) (In reply to Bawolff (Brian Wolff) from comment #2) > This is an interesting idea, and perhaps should be done with instant commons > too.  Indeed. Mo...
[16:42:06] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Brian Wolff: Android native browser ending playback after 1 second (031 comment) [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144352 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43748) (owner: 10Brian Wolff)
[16:46:29] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Siebrand: [C: 04-1] "i18n/L10n reviewed." [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144484 (owner: 10Paladox)
[16:51:46] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki / 3File management: Images not purged from caching servers after deletion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67559#c7 (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) Squid and varnish use the same purging mechanism. All the class names still say squid for historical reasons.  On commons: mediawiki sends a HTCP purge pa...
[17:48:16] <marktraceur>	 neilk_: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66214
[18:00:53] <marktraceur>	 neilk_: d7e30145bf89b5d9c32ae13ba3dd737a3a0b7d0d removed the last call to autoEllipsis which was in the jquery.suggestions library
[18:00:58] <marktraceur>	 So I'm murdering it
[18:02:45] <marktraceur>	 I'm going to clean up other dependencies while I'm at it...
[18:04:02] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3MultimediaViewer: MultimediaViewer should not leave so many history entries when closed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62266#c24 (10Gilles Dubuc) So your suggestion is to have an experience where people have to get lost by following their natural instinct (pressing back twice), t...
[18:07:10] <marktraceur>	 neilk_: What's your instinct about jquery.autocomplete.js
[18:07:20] <marktraceur>	 I feel like the answer is lots of cleansing fire
[18:08:57] <marktraceur>	 Given it's not used.
[18:08:59] * marktraceur removes
[18:15:22] <marktraceur>	 Hey fabriceflorin - FYI I've been adding sprint cards (like https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/745) to their respective cycles for some time now - can you make sure new ones you create get added to appropriate schedules?
[18:16:14] <fabriceflorin>	 marktraceur: Good idea. I wasn’t aware of this feature, and will take care of the sprint cards I created on my end.
[18:16:24] <marktraceur>	 *nod*
[18:16:34] <marktraceur>	 No real issue right now, just something to keep in mind
[18:26:01] <marktraceur>	 Ding dong, the surveys are dead (or will be soon)
[18:30:17] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki / 3File management: Images not purged from caching servers after deletion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67559#c8 (10Gilles Dubuc) So it does sound like this needs an async job ran some time after the purge attempt to check that it worked. Would hitting the public-facing URL be enough to know...
[18:44:46] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki / 3File management: Images not purged from caching servers after deletion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67559#c9 (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) Its location based. You get different servers depending on if you hit esams, ulsfo, or eqiad.  In the original example in comment 0, the cached file was p...
[18:47:42] <fabriceflorin>	 marktraceur: I updated all the sprint cards to match their corresponding cycle, through the end of the year. Thanks for suggesting it.
[18:48:33] <fabriceflorin>	 marktraceur: Thanks for removing the surveys. Let me know when it’s done, so we can let our German partners know.
[18:52:01] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3MultimediaViewer: MediaViewer does not work on Beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67651#c1 (10Tisza Gergő) The underlying issue is that MediaViewer thumbnail guessing does not work well with frontend caches which cache 404s (see bug 64554 fore details). That's not a problem on W...
[19:06:02] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3MultimediaViewer: MultimediaViewer should not leave so many history entries when closed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62266#c25 (10Tisza Gergő) (In reply to Pau Giner from comment #21) > what we can do is to limit the image exploration through next/prev to just one back state  T...
[19:20:32] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3MultimediaViewer: When linking to commons from mediaviewer, current user language should be passed in ?uselang=XX parameter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67544 (10Tisza Gergő)
[19:20:34] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki / 3File management: Make MediaWiki:Sharedupload point to Commons with lang setting of that wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/10827 (10Tisza Gergő)
[19:31:19] <marktraceur>	 fabriceflorin: Pretty sure it's done now
[19:31:21] * marktraceur checks
[19:50:12] <marktraceur>	 Yeah they're gone.
[19:50:19] <marktraceur>	 neilk_: I see what you mean about pubsub. That's silly.
[20:04:28] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS1) 10MarkTraceur: Remove unnecessary dependencies [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144751 
[20:05:28] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS2) 10MarkTraceur: Remove unnecessary dependencies [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144751 
[20:05:45] <marktraceur>	 Our first patch based on a phabricator ticket!
[20:05:48] * marktraceur beams
[20:43:03] <neilk_>	 marktraceur: hm, I note that there's a comment right in UploadWizardHooks.php about why mw.language is loaded https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/144751/2/UploadWizardHooks.php
[20:43:13] <neilk_>	 maybe I should say that on Gerrit...
[20:43:50] <marktraceur>	 I grepped for convertPlural
[20:44:31] <neilk_>	 marktraceur: perhaps it's obsolete. Dunno
[20:44:44] <marktraceur>	 As for the parser...
[20:44:45] <neilk_>	 marktraceur: actually, almost certainly, now that I think about it.
[20:44:48] <marktraceur>	 I dunno
[20:45:01] <marktraceur>	 Maybe I should remove that comment though
[20:45:43] <neilk_>	 marktraceur: definitely both or neither
[20:46:00] <marktraceur>	 *nod*
[20:46:55] <marktraceur>	 I don't even know wtf "creates the namespace" means
[20:47:02] <marktraceur>	 Like...creates the mw.language object?
[20:47:04] <neilk_>	 mw.language = {}
[20:47:07] <neilk_>	 probably
[20:47:17] <marktraceur>	 Because seriously that should be done in the RL module for whatever other thing we need.
[20:47:20] <neilk_>	 fuck I wrote all this. The past is a foreign country :)
[20:47:49] <tgr>	 a bunch of messages use PLURAL, I think you need mw.language for that
[20:47:59] <neilk_>	 there's been a lot of change in how i18n is done. UploadWizard started doing more of it in the frontend and then the lang engineering team picked it up. So probably it's obsolete now.
[20:48:29] * marktraceur asks.
[21:59:11] <marktraceur>	 fabriceflorin: Did you check the survey removal?
[21:59:30] <fabriceflorin>	 Not yet, but will do so after our PM meeting.
[22:29:48] <neilk_>	 Just for my own sanity, am I the only one attempting to use the Vagrant install of mediawiki?
[22:29:58] <marktraceur>	 I think tgr does.
[22:30:14] <marktraceur>	 Maybe bd808 or gi11es too
[22:30:18] <neilk_>	 ok then
[22:30:34] <tgr>	 quite a few people do, not sure how many use the multimedia roles though
[22:31:06] <bawolff>	 Lots of people do. And they all seem to complain about it a lot 
[22:31:09] <neilk_>	 anyway, the apache config seems strange and wrong. Fixed it, but wondering how it even got that way.
[22:31:22] <tgr>	 it was a quite smooth process when I did it
[22:31:49] <tgr>	 but they had to rewrite a lot of things after a Vagrant upgrade, or so I understand
[22:32:01] <tgr>	 are you using the 404 handler role?
[22:32:05] <neilk_>	 it's not the vagranty parts, it's what it installs!
[22:32:14] <tgr>	 I think it's called multimedia
[22:32:32] <neilk_>	 I installed the uploadwizard role... probably that has not been as well attended to as multimedia
[22:32:49] <tgr>	 that should import the mm role
[22:32:49] <neilk_>	 anyway i'll stop being a complaineypants
[22:32:49] <marktraceur>	 Yeah I think I made that in like...early 2013
[22:33:09] <neilk_>	 marktraceur: do you know what this IfDefine ZEND stuff is?
[22:33:17] <marktraceur>	 Ugh no
[22:33:19] <marktraceur>	 I don't
[22:33:26] <neilk_>	 ok nm
[22:33:28] <tgr>	 oh
[22:33:34] <tgr>	 that must be HHVM
[22:33:36] <neilk_>	 perhaps it's some production config that got mistakenly added
[22:33:48] <tgr>	 you might be the first person using *that* :)
[22:33:54] <neilk_>	 tgr: ah. So HHVM xor ZEND
[22:34:10] <tgr>	 mediawiki-vagrant was switched to HHVM a week ago
[22:34:22] <neilk_>	 hmmm
[22:34:34] <tgr>	 HHVM is an alternative PHP implementation
[22:34:38] <neilk_>	 yes
[22:34:50] <neilk_>	 never used it myself but it is installed by mw-vagrant
[22:34:58] <neilk_>	 well never before today then
[22:35:14] <tgr>	 the platform team is pushing for a switch in a few months, and as part of that it's now the default for vagrant
[22:35:20] <bd808>	 hhvm is the default now, You can enable the "zend" role to go back to php5
[22:35:25] <neilk_>	 ok I'm guessing that the production folks say -DZEND when they mean to not run HHVM or something 
[22:35:58] <bd808>	 There really is no relation between production puppet/config and mw-vagrant
[22:35:58] <neilk_>	 it's not a matter of enabling or disabling, there is no ZEND defined, because apache isn't started with a switch and afaik there isn't another way of making that happen.
[22:36:18] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3GWToolset: Operational issues for very large TIFFs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65217 (10Tisza Gergő)
[22:36:36] <bd808>	 `vagrant enable-role zend; vagrant provision` will set apache back to using mod_php
[22:37:05] <bd808>	 Hopefully it switches /usr/bin/php back to php5 as well. I haven't looked.
[22:38:28] <neilk_>	 bd808: this is what I'm talking about http://pastebin.mozilla.org/5535015
[22:38:47] <neilk_>	 bd808: this ZEND switch simply is not there, period
[22:39:19] <neilk_>	 bd808: it would have to be manually set when starting apache, e.g.   apache -DZEND.   "ZEND" is not a common way of determining if Zend is running.
[22:39:28] <bd808>	 Correct
[22:39:45] <neilk_>	 bd808: and also, the two stanzas aren't equivalent. So someone changed one and not the other
[22:39:45] <bd808>	 !ZEND is the default path -- meaning use hhvm
[22:39:46] <wm-bot3>	 Key was added
[22:40:51] <bd808>	 Ah. I see. /images and those should move outside the defines
[22:41:12] <bd808>	 This cut-over has happened really recently and has some kinks
[22:41:23] <neilk_>	 bd808: yeah I'm doing that now.
[22:47:27] <James_F>	 marktraceur: FYI legoktm wants to undo your pywikibugs change so that you don't see bugs… https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/144838/
[22:47:37] <legoktm>	 ...
[22:47:48] <James_F>	 s/your/your requested/
[22:47:54] <legoktm>	 that's not why.
[22:48:00] <legoktm>	 "All core bugs must go to -dev."
[22:48:05] <James_F>	 Justify.
[22:48:09] <James_F>	 That's a claim, not a justification.
[22:48:29] <legoktm>	 So everyone who works on core can see bugs about core
[22:48:31] <James_F>	 Also, if pywikibugs won't do what we need we'll just have to fork it and run it distinctly for teams that need to get stuff done.
[22:48:47] <legoktm>	 Or maybe you could just spend 10 minutes and improve the code?
[22:48:54] <James_F>	 That's just laughable. /Everyone/ works on core. Editing work on core. Multimedia work on core. Flow work on core.
[22:49:06] <James_F>	 "Core" isn't a tightly-defined thing.
[22:49:12] <James_F>	 If you want to see all bugs, that's what -feed is for.
[22:49:35] <legoktm>	 core is defined as everything that affects mediawiki/core ;)
[22:49:43] <James_F>	 We had this discussion months ago and agreed that -dev was for bugs and commits that didn't have a home.
[22:50:05] <James_F>	 legoktm: Really? When did we feed jquery commits into -dev? Apache? MySQL? …
[22:50:32] <legoktm>	 Any jquery updates regarding core, go in -dev.
[22:50:56] <James_F>	 legoktm: Couldn't we instead work on fixing pywikibugs so it works like grrrit for areas that people really care about, and can send to multiple?
[22:51:04] <legoktm>	 Apache and mysql updates are not related to core development themselves, and MW works just fine without them.
[22:51:09] <legoktm>	 I don't see why not.
[22:51:17] <James_F>	 Well then. :-)
[22:51:35] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki / 3File management: Pre-render certain thumbnail sizes on upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67698 (10Tisza Gergő) 3NEW p:3Unprio s:3normal a:3None This is planned for better support of MediaViewer, but there doesn't seem to be any ticket about it yet.  Thumbnail generation is slow;...
[22:52:08] <James_F>	 ^^^ See? This is exactly the kind of bug that needs to be here. (Thanks, tgr. Perfect timing :-))
[22:53:47] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki / 3Uploading: Generate thumbnails based on buckets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67525 (10Tisza Gergő)
[22:53:47] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki / 3File management: Pre-render certain thumbnail sizes on upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67698 (10Tisza Gergő)
[22:53:52] * bawolff agrees with all core bugs going to #wikimedia-dev
[22:54:17] <bawolff>	 Mostly because I like all bugs going there
[22:54:25] <bawolff>	 I hate it when people can talk in #wikimedia-dev
[23:14:11] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS1) 10Brian Wolff: Enable the play button in the control bar for the VLCApp player. [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144849 
[23:22:40] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS5) 10Paladox: Update TimedText [extensions/TimedMediaHandler] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/144675 
[23:37:47] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki / 3File management: Images not purged from caching servers after deletion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67559#c10 (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff)) I wonder if bug 67694 is related