[00:01:38] 10Diffusion, 05Gitblit-Deprecate, 13Patch-For-Review: Update all references to git.wikimedia.org and replace them with the Phabricator equivalent - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137353#2456324 (10Dzahn) https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=System_administrators&diff=prev&oldid=15761467 https://... [00:19:08] mutante: paladox those two marked [00:20:16] thanks [00:20:32] third as well [00:21:12] 10Diffusion, 05Gitblit-Deprecate, 13Patch-For-Review: Update all references to git.wikimedia.org and replace them with the Phabricator equivalent - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137353#2456376 (10Danny_B) @Dzahn Done. [00:21:21] the third one has some more links.. gotta got step by step [00:33:48] just ping me with link to the subject page (no diff or history, pls) and i'll mark it [00:34:00] ok [01:13:36] * Danny_B is again heavily frustrated from reactionary approach of some people which completely takes away his enthusiasm to make order out of current chaos [01:16:34] is this about the links? [01:20:18] nope [01:21:15] it's about people blocking creation of complementary tag to the existing set which would help make order in things as well as to existing or intended tools [01:21:53] aha [01:27:24] furthermore the most annoying fact is, that some of them are exactly those, who create the mess (and don't even follow basic practices and rules) [01:27:33] :/ [01:27:47] Danny_B: to cheer you up, check https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2016-July/086047.html [01:27:54] gotta go afk, bbl [01:31:08] hmm, i thought we're moving code review to phabricator [01:45:48] I don't think that's happening quite so quickly. [01:45:56] And we're on a long-unsupported version [01:56:08] 10Phabricator, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests: Create a form for site requests - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139844#2456478 (10mmodell) @dereckson: Form has been created [[ https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/22/ | here ]]. Please review the form and let me know if it needs further cus... [02:11:38] 10Diffusion, 10Phabricator: Delete two test repositories in Diffusion - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117654#2456517 (10mmodell) I don't see any need to delete them. [02:13:02] 10Diffusion, 10Phabricator: Delete two test repositories in Diffusion - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117654#2456518 (10mmodell) 05Open>03Resolved They are both deactivated. If there is any justification for actually deleting them I'll be glad to hear it, feel free to re-open if there is a need. [02:22:41] Apparently leaving tokens on Phame posts doesn't log them like with Maniphest tasks [02:29:20] 10Phabricator, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests: Create a form for site requests - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139844#2456523 (10Dereckson) Thanks for the form. [02:35:42] 10Phabricator, 07Upstream: Project icon files are missing - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128160#2456524 (10mmodell) This is an upstream bug so I'm removing operations and dba. [02:35:49] 10Phabricator, 07Upstream: Project icon files are missing - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128160#2456526 (10mmodell) [03:44:11] 10Phabricator, 06Labs, 06Operations, 10Tool-Labs, and 2 others: Install Arcanist in toollabs::dev_environ - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139738#2456611 (10Dereckson) According @mmodell, the Arcanist package is distro agnostic . We need it for every distro we support in apt.wm.o [04:45:53] 10Phabricator, 06Labs, 06Operations, 10Tool-Labs, and 2 others: Install Arcanist in toollabs::dev_environ - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139738#2456643 (10mmodell) @dereckson: According to T137770#2426038, the package was uploaded to Trusty and Jessie. [05:09:02] 05Gerrit-Migration, 10Phabricator, 10ArchCom-RfC, 10Gerrit, and 3 others: [RfC]: Migrate code review / management from Gerrit to Phabricator - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119908#2456668 (10RobLa-WMF) [05:29:50] 10Phabricator, 06Labs, 06Operations, 10Tool-Labs, and 2 others: Install Arcanist in toollabs::dev_environ - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139738#2456708 (10mmodell) And yet I don't see the package on https://apt.wikimedia.org... [07:33:25] 10Phabricator, 06Operations: Phabricator weekly report not generated (or at least sent) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139950#2456823 (10greg) >>! In T139950#2455764, @Danny_B wrote: > @greg That's exactly what I was asking earlier... but now it is possible! :) I'd be willing to do it, but I'll leave it... [07:52:02] 10Phabricator, 06Labs, 06Operations, 10Tool-Labs, and 2 others: Install Arcanist in toollabs::dev_environ - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139738#2441209 (10valhallasw) https://apt.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/pool/universe/libp/libphutil/ Would it be possible to also upload the package for precise? [08:05:08] 10Phabricator, 06Labs, 06Operations, 10Tool-Labs, and 2 others: Install Arcanist in toollabs::dev_environ - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139738#2441209 (10hashar) The package has been created via {T137770} for both Trusty and Jessie: **Trusty** ``` $ apt-cache madison arcanist arcanist | 0~git2016... [11:21:23] 10Phabricator, 15User-greg: Change of workboard columns in #Phabricator - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131568#2457228 (10Danny_B) Having the #phabricator-upstream as a milestone instead of subproject or standalone project causes loosing of the #phabricator-upstream tag when moving task to another milesto... [11:31:35] 10Phabricator, 06WMF-Design: Migration of the Design team to Phabricator - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T832#2457241 (10Prtksxna) > Jaredzimmerman-WMF added subtask: {T76101} I don't think this is the case anymore. Trello, which was the tool that the design team was using before Phab did not have this. N... [11:31:51] 10Phabricator, 06WMF-Design: Migration of the Design team to Phabricator - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T832#2457243 (10Prtksxna) [12:15:43] 10Phabricator, 06Operations: Phabricator weekly report not generated (or at least sent) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139950#2457319 (10jcrespo) > Can/Should this (the weekly report script) be run manually now but not enable the crons (there's other things there) until after the failover? I do not know... [13:06:26] 10Diffusion: "Unhandled Exception" clicking external submodule (Gerrit URI redirect) in Diffusion - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140236#2457631 (10Aklapper) [13:28:53] 10Diffusion, 10Phabricator (Upstream), 07Upstream: "Unhandled Exception" clicking external submodule (Gerrit URI redirect) in Diffusion - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140236#2457729 (10mmodell) The problem is that {rECOL} has an empty tree at {a7a79ccc3f7}. There is probably a better way to handle t... [13:32:10] 10Diffusion, 10Phabricator (Upstream), 07Upstream: "Unhandled Exception" clicking external submodule (Gerrit URI redirect) in Diffusion - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140236#2457738 (10mmodell) Upstream report already exists: https://secure.phabricator.com/T10155 [13:41:10] 10Phabricator, 10DBA, 06Operations, 13Patch-For-Review: Upgrade m3 (phabricator) db servers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138460#2457774 (10mmodell) @jcrespo I think the phabricator_search tables are non-critical as they can be re-generated from other data. I think that at least some of the migrati... [13:49:25] 10Phabricator, 10DBA, 06Operations, 13Patch-For-Review: Upgrade m3 (phabricator) db servers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138460#2457801 (10chasemp) The idea was for `rt_migration` and `bugzilla_migration` to live "forever" or at least as long as anyone cared that at one time we used either. Those... [14:06:58] 10Phabricator, 10DBA, 06Operations, 13Patch-For-Review: Upgrade m3 (phabricator) db servers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138460#2457840 (10jcrespo) > The idea was for rt_migration and bugzilla_migration to live "forever" or at least as long as anyone cared that at one time we used either. That is... [14:25:31] Danny_B: Could you explain what's the point of setting a priority on tasks resolved months ago? And does it really justify the notification noise created? :-/ [14:49:22] andre__: i am not aware of setting the priority only [15:00:07] Danny_B: Okay. Why do you change the priority at all, of closed tasks? [15:00:45] Danny_B, one example: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132034#2452457 [15:01:08] I'm asking as I don't get the point / intention... [15:02:55] +1 [15:03:01] Why re-triage many anciently closed bugs? [15:46:37] as a semi-defense, that example did have a comment 5 hours earlier. I could imagine assuming it was active, and not noticing that it was closed. I do agree in principle that setting priorities on closed tickets is not helpful. [16:01:48] I've done the same thing before. [16:02:15] it's easy to miss the status because it's all the way up at the top and the comment form is all the way down at the bottom [16:02:33] yep, especially when clicking on the wikibugs link that brings you to the bottom [16:02:59] but, I think danny is just categorizing/triaging old tasks to clean them up [16:03:43] I guess it could allow interesting stats on them later? but, given Phab doesn't have "search for things closed before date" but instead it's all "date of last update" its kind of annoying [16:11:01] greg-g: not necessarily true that it doesn't reflect closing date, see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/report/burn/?project=PHID-PROJ-7rv7dl24v53aoqb5km2s [16:11:42] and right, the fact that something does not exist now, doesn't automatically imply that it won't exist ever [16:12:31] better to do order when there is lower pile of mess than after thousands of new tasks will appear, then a new tool which would require order will pop up [16:15:01] so... what's the intention of edits like https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132034#2452457 ? [16:15:38] in any case, feel free to support upstream https://secure.phabricator.com/T11239 [16:16:03] andre__: you owe me that, it was your promise ^^ [16:16:53] andre__: and what is the purpose of leaving untriaged tasks? [16:18:55] Danny_B, upstream in that ticket asks for usecases [16:19:12] Danny_B: Nobody left "untriaged tasks". [16:19:29] so my question was why to change priority on tasks closed ages ago. [16:19:43] and I don't get the counter-question. [16:20:14] I repeat myself, but I don't like categorization for the sake of categorization. Hence asking for intentions, not for counter-questions. :) [16:20:53] * Danny_B didn'T know that 5 hours and 12 minutes is ancient [16:21:10] or "ages ago" [16:21:44] Danny_B: The task got closed three weeks ago. Now could you answer my question? [16:22:14] andre__: re upstream: yes. and you promised to fill them there as obviously what i wrote there wasn't enough [16:24:17] Danny_B: My question was why you change priority on tasks which have been closed for ages. Could you answer that? [16:25:44] Danny_B: Regarding upstream in https://secure.phabricator.com/T11239 , they ask for proper usecases and pointed to their guidelines. If you already have a draft for a reply, feel free to share it and I'm happy to help [16:27:47] from my perspective, what i wrote there is quite descriptive, hence why i asked others for addings, because i obviously don't have anything else to add. people dislike notifications, especially when bulk actions done -> we need support for user type which won't trigger notifications. i don't get what is ununderstable on that. it's simple. [16:28:48] A bunch of specific examples (root causes) is missing. [16:29:43] Allowing others to understand why such steps are performed. [16:29:55] Which also boils down to my unanswered question to you here. [16:30:05] Shall I post it for a fifth time? :) [16:31:20] this chat isn't constructive anymore :-/ [16:31:48] please read the backlog first [16:31:55] Danny_B: What's unconstructive about my answer? [16:32:10] Danny_B, please repost specific answers in the backlog to my question that I might have missed. [16:32:52] s/answer/question/ [16:34:56] Danny_B: so you cannot explain why you edit the priority of tasks closed a while ago? :( [16:35:17] Danny_B, If that's the case I hereby ask you to please refrain from editing the priority of tasks closed a while ago, as the notification noise feels bigger than the (unfortunately unexplained) gain. Thanks... [16:36:53] (I'm pretty sure you have a concept and good reasons, but you need to explain them so others can understand why you're doing stuff.) [16:39:21] my time is quite scarce to repeat myself. and if you or anybody else are not willing to help with the upstream task which would obviously solve your laments, then i don't see way out from this stalemate [16:40:06] 10Phabricator, 10DBA, 06Operations, 13Patch-For-Review: Upgrade m3 (phabricator) db servers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138460#2458516 (10jcrespo) I got `fab_migration` and `rt_migration` mixed. No need to ask anything else- I will archive and drop fab_migration, percona and test. I will be waiti... [16:40:21] 10Phabricator, 10DBA, 06Operations, 13Patch-For-Review: Upgrade m3 (phabricator) db servers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138460#2458517 (10chasemp) no worries, noted in irc I meant to keep rt_migration too :) This go hand in hand w/ https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/OPUP/browse/productio... [16:40:51] Danny_B: it's just a question of why you spend your scare time on it. I'm curious too, as they're closed the priority doesn't effect anything other than maybe reports later (that we don't do now)? [16:41:12] also please realize that you did not answer bunch of my questions, or clearly denied reality, which is also not helpful [16:42:15] Danny_B: If that's the case, feel free to repost questions if I missed any. [16:42:20] Danny_B: People are interested in your motivation and I think that's a valid request to you to elaborate. [16:42:40] (and I don't seem to be the only person, so I don't think this is just me being weird) [16:46:57] ok. giving up. the best solution will obviously be that i won't touch anything anymore because it is obviously not welcomed. from some odd reasons i thought (making of) order is desired and welcome, but obviously the current chaos is preferred more. [16:47:41] Danny_B: please don't over react. You are making valuable contributions, there is just one question about one aspect. [16:49:59] Why are people questioning a volunteer's motivation? [16:50:27] I don't think anyone questioned motivation. I asked for the underlying intention instead. [16:51:28] I was wondering why they are being changed priority wise as well :) I think it's fair to ask and treat everyone as equals [16:51:35] I would expect to be asked if I was changing it [16:52:11] Danny_B: Of course your help to clean up is welcome. Noone said that "the current chaos is preferred". It's just that for some *specific* edits I (and others) would like to understand the intention behind. No need to generalize or "give up" here, only a request to explain. [17:03:23] 10Diffusion, 10Phabricator (Upstream), 07Upstream: "Unhandled Exception" error in Diffusion when displaying a repository with only one empty commit - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140236#2458630 (10Aklapper) p:05Triage>03Lowest [18:06:17] 10Phabricator, 10DBA, 06Operations, 13Patch-For-Review: Upgrade m3 (phabricator) db servers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138460#2458980 (10mmodell) @jcrespo: There is a scheduled downtime every Thursday at 01:00 (AM) GMT. If you want to pick a better time for your convenience then let me know when... [18:12:41] 10Phabricator, 10DBA, 06Operations, 13Patch-For-Review: Upgrade m3 (phabricator) db servers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138460#2459003 (10jcrespo) Assuming everybody knows this is happening- This is master failover- we are going to take m3 and point it somewhere else. While connections finish (an... [18:13:33] 10Phabricator, 10DBA, 06Operations, 13Patch-For-Review: Upgrade m3 (phabricator) db servers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138460#2459022 (10jcrespo) Assuming everybody knows this is happening (disruptive maintenance happens every week)- we can do it tomorrow. [18:31:57] 10Phabricator, 10DBA, 06Operations, 13Patch-For-Review: Upgrade m3 (phabricator) db servers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138460#2459164 (10mmodell) @jcrespo: Yes there is a one hour scheduled maintenance which is planned downtime although usually it takes no more than a few minutes. I'm game when y... [18:40:27] 10Phabricator, 06Developer-Relations, 06Release-Engineering-Team, 06Team-Practices: Consider alternative processes for Unbreak Now bugs, especially those which cross-cut components - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140207#2459195 (10greg) [19:00:05] 10Phabricator, 06ArchCom, 06Developer-Relations, 06Release-Engineering-Team, 06Team-Practices: Consider alternative processes for Unbreak Now bugs, especially those which cross-cut components - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140207#2459264 (10ksmith) Adding ArchCom, in case they want to participate i... [19:01:59] 10Phabricator, 06Developer-Relations, 06Project-Admins, 07RfC: Abandon project creation policy - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139210#2459273 (10mmodell) @TTO: a) Why do tags need to be deleted as apposed to archived? b) [[ /project/query/UYmmwUnaNYAg/ | newly created projects ]]. [19:39:10] 10Phabricator, 06ArchCom, 06Developer-Relations, 06Release-Engineering-Team, 06Team-Practices: Consider alternative processes for Unbreak Now bugs, especially those which cross-cut components - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140207#2459368 (10Luke081515) If we use one of this proposals, we have to no... [19:47:37] Gosh, https://secure.phabricator.com/T4207 being fixed upstream is very nice to see. I look forward to the next Phab upgrade! [20:05:04] 10Phabricator, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 06Team-Practices, 06Developer-Relations (Jul-Sep-2016), 07Documentation: Update phab docs to reflect new parent/subtask terminology - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139181#2459482 (10Aklapper) 05Open>03Resolved a:03Aklapper * https://www.mediawiki.org/w... [22:58:47] 10Phabricator, 06ArchCom, 06Developer-Relations, 06Release-Engineering-Team, 06Team-Practices: Consider alternative processes for Unbreak Now bugs, especially those which cross-cut components - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140207#2456573 (10Jdforrester-WMF) >>! In T140207#2459178, @greg wrote: > Th...