[00:03:21] 10Diffusion, 10Gitblit-Deprecate, 6Release-Engineering-Team, 7WorkType-NewFunctionality: Use Diffusion as canonical location for browsing code repos (not gitblit) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T752#2116966 (10mmodell) [00:03:24] 10Diffusion, 5Gerrit-Migration: Linkify gerrit change-id in diffusion - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89939#2116964 (10mmodell) 5Open>3Resolved [01:17:29] 10Diffusion, 10Gitblit-Deprecate, 13Patch-For-Review, 7WorkType-NewFunctionality: redirect gerrit repo paths to diffusion callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110607#2117001 (10mmodell) [01:17:57] 10Diffusion, 10Gitblit-Deprecate, 13Patch-For-Review, 7WorkType-NewFunctionality: redirect gerrit repo paths to diffusion callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110607#1582193 (10mmodell) D139 should allow us to close this? [01:20:24] 10Phabricator, 6Project-Admins, 6Release-Engineering-Team, 7WorkType-Maintenance: Create a Policy Admins project and move all of the acl*various_policy_admins pojects under it as subprojects. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129515#2117006 (10mmodell) [01:27:34] 10Phabricator, 5Release, 7WorkType-Maintenance: Next Phabricator Upgrade - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128009#2117013 (10mmodell) [01:27:37] 10Phabricator, 7Performance: Herald rules causing delays to task edit saves - getting worse - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108586#2117012 (10mmodell) [01:28:10] 10Phabricator, 7Performance: Herald rules causing delays to task edit saves - getting worse - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108586#1524147 (10mmodell) [01:30:07] 10Phabricator, 7Performance: Herald rules causing delays to task edit saves - getting worse - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108586#2117017 (10mmodell) [01:30:26] 10Phabricator, 7Performance: Herald rules causing delays to task edit saves - getting worse - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108586#1524147 (10mmodell) p:5Low>3High [03:58:12] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Fund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2117056 (10MZMcBride) >>! In T106130#2116938, @mmodell wrote: > @nemo_bis: That's a good question, though this particular task can probably be closed as Phacility has already implemented thi... [05:15:32] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2117088 (10Legoktm) [07:33:05] 10Diffusion, 10Gitblit-Deprecate, 13Patch-For-Review, 7WorkType-NewFunctionality: redirect gerrit repo paths to diffusion callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110607#2117235 (10Paladox) We'll probably yes but when repos are created in gerrit they are not automatically added to this redirection sc... [09:39:44] 10Phabricator, 7Documentation: Re-evaluate installed Wikimedia Phabricator applications - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109186#2117404 (10Nemo_bis) [09:39:47] 10Phabricator: Uninstall Conpherence - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127640#2117402 (10Nemo_bis) 5declined>3Open Thanks for the explanation. What makes Conpherence less "intimidating" than IRC? [09:41:11] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2117406 (10Nemo_bis) 5Invalid>3Open There is clearly still need of work in this area, and any speedup is appreciated. [10:04:10] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#1459873 (10matmarex) It's true that callsigns are optional now, but it's not quite polished. For example, here's a recently created one without a callsign: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org... [11:28:07] 10Phabricator: Uninstall Conpherence - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127640#2117583 (10Aklapper) 258 Google results for "IRC is intimidating" probably don't count? :) I don't know how to rephrase "the design with an avatar makes conversations not as unpersonal" compared to joining an IRC room with hundreds... [11:28:15] 10Phabricator: Uninstall Conpherence - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127640#2117584 (10Aklapper) p:5Normal>3Lowest [11:36:02] 10Phabricator: Uninstall Conpherence - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127640#2117614 (10Krenair) I'm not really seeing a compelling argument to keep it enabled either. IRC channels can be private too. I don't buy the idea that having an avatar improves anything. [11:39:40] 10Phabricator: Uninstall Conpherence - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127640#2049308 (10matmarex) Conpherence is useful for asynchronous private communication when you don't know someone's email address (or don't want to disclose yours). For me it's more of a competitor to email than IRC. But I'd also prefe... [14:53:43] 10Diffusion, 10Gitblit-Deprecate, 13Patch-For-Review, 7WorkType-NewFunctionality: redirect gerrit repo paths to diffusion callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110607#2118091 (10demon) That's not a problem, we just update the script :) [15:02:43] 10Phabricator: Uninstall Conpherence - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127640#2118202 (10greg) This statement is uncontroversial: IRC is generally hard/difficult for new contributors. Conpherence is (I'm claiming, and it seems true so far) easier to navigate for them (no new software, it's web based and they... [15:18:50] 10Gitblit-Deprecate, 10Wikimedia-Apache-configuration: Write redirect rules from gitweb (to diffusion or other) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T43961#2118416 (10JanZerebecki) [15:18:53] 10Diffusion, 10Gitblit-Deprecate, 13Patch-For-Review, 7WorkType-NewFunctionality: redirect gerrit repo paths to diffusion callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110607#2118413 (10JanZerebecki) 5Open>3Resolved [15:31:18] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2118486 (10greg) 5Open>3Invalid >>! In T106130#2115462, @Nemo_bis wrote: > With the current [[https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:Nemo_bis/Staff_and_contractors|WMF structure]], w... [15:47:59] 10Phabricator: Show at least 6 options in project selector dropdown - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129767#2118600 (10greg) [15:56:14] 10Phabricator: Uninstall Conpherence - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127640#2118632 (10Luke081515) Counterquestion: What is the problem if we keep it enabled? People are not forced to use it, so they can take part or not, that's their dession. [16:09:58] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2118685 (10mmodell) @matmarex, @Nemo_bis: you can link directly to a repository by using https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/r/project/`project_name` e.g. [[ /r/project/operations/puppet/ | /... [16:16:22] 10Phabricator: Uninstall Conpherence - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127640#2118732 (10scfc) Providing private chat rooms for third parties can cause different regulations to be applied, diverting more donor money to unnecessary administrative tasks. [16:16:55] lol [16:24:04] 10Phabricator: Commits being made in random users names (bad associations) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77959#2118792 (10demon) [16:31:45] 10Diffusion, 10Gitblit-Deprecate: Diffusion redirect from name to callsign doesn't always work - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129447#2105968 (10demon) Fixed as part of {D139}, just needs deploying. [16:35:59] 10Differential, 5Gerrit-Migration, 7Documentation, 7Upstream: Document best practices to amend a change written by another contributor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121751#2118860 (10mmodell) [16:37:28] 10Differential, 5Gerrit-Migration, 7Documentation, 7Upstream: Document best practices to amend a change written by another contributor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121751#1887024 (10mmodell) [16:39:04] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2118870 (10matmarex) @mmodell That doesn't seem to work for all repositories, e.g. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/r/project/mediawiki/extensions/UploadsLink/ is a 404. ...maybe because... [16:40:57] 5Gerrit-Migration, 10Gitblit-Deprecate: Update {{git file}} to link to diffusion - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101358#2118880 (10demon) `{{git file}}` is already using Diffusion, all the callsigns were updated in {D139}. What's left? [16:43:08] 10Differential, 5Gerrit-Migration, 7Documentation, 7Upstream: Document best practices to amend a change written by another contributor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121751#2118889 (10mmodell) There is a whole lot of discussion in upstream diff https://secure.phabricator.com/D15468 and task https://s... [16:59:05] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2118963 (10Nemo_bis) 5Invalid>3Open This report is very clear and does not need further closures; specific issues are already handled in specific reports. The reason I added more ccs wa... [17:02:27] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2118986 (10mmodell) @matmarex: That should be fixed once we deploy {D139} on wednesday. [17:06:36] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2119005 (10greg) 5Open>3Invalid >>! In T106130#2118963, @Nemo_bis wrote: > This report is very clear and does not need further closures; specific issues are already handled in specific... [17:08:31] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2119014 (10Nemo_bis) 5Invalid>3Open [17:09:42] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2119021 (10greg) 5Open>3Invalid Nemo, please stop adding unrelated engineering directors to this task. This is the second time I have asked you. You are not winning supporters with your... [17:10:41] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#1459873 (10greg) [17:10:44] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2119029 (10Nemo_bis) This is not a popularity contest, Greg, and as you pretend to be aware of how Phabricator works you should know that I'm not the one who added subscribers. [17:12:27] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2119036 (10Nemo_bis) 5Invalid>3Open [17:12:56] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#1459873 (10Nemo_bis) [17:13:08] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2119040 (10greg) You did by editing the task description, potentially unintentionally: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2119014 Your comment about a popularity contest is non sequi... [17:15:25] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2119062 (10greg) 5Open>3Invalid p:5Low>3Lowest [17:16:15] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2119069 (10Nemo_bis) [17:16:28] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#1459873 (10Nemo_bis) 5Invalid>3Open p:5Lowest>3Normal [17:18:06] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2119090 (10greg) [17:18:56] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#1459873 (10greg) [17:19:22] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#1459873 (10greg) Edit warning is not going to get this done faster. [17:19:59] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2119108 (10mmodell) My commend above (T106130#2118685) outlines a way to link directly to a repository. We also support several other patterns in the url as follows: Link to a file: * `/r/... [17:22:21] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2119116 (10Nemo_bis) [17:23:15] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#1459873 (10Nemo_bis) > Edit warning is not going to get this done faster. I agree; thanks for having refrained from unnecessarily rollbacking parts of the reports. The task description is... [17:26:49] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2119138 (10Nemo_bis) [17:27:36] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#1459873 (10Nemo_bis) [17:37:17] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2119206 (10Aklapper) T106130#2119040 asks to avoid statements without references, T106130#2118486 asks to not subscribe uninvolved people to this task, and T106130#2119005 asks for filing /... [17:42:08] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2119217 (10greg) [17:47:22] legoktm: btw, thanks for the momentary smile with the rename/title [17:48:00] haha, it was marktraceur's idea :) [17:54:22] you and your cabals :) [18:03:30] 10Phabricator, 10Phabricator-Upstream: Phund Phacility to rid us of callsigns - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106130#2119339 (10mmodell) >>! In T106130#2117463, @matmarex wrote: > It's true that callsigns are optional now, but it's not quite polished. For example, here's a recently created one without a c... [18:03:38] There are no cabals. Just cliques. ;-) [18:09:52] James_F: yeah, it's like how I respond to people who say "there are no conspiracies!". You don't think that people in similarly high powered positions have conversations you don't hear/see? Some of the are friends! And, you don't think people try to better the group they're in? [18:09:58] man, I'm political today. [18:10:00] * greg-g tones it down [18:16:03] 10Phabricator: Create a custom form for private FR-tech tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129902#2119419 (10DStrine) [18:49:25] 10Phabricator: Create a custom form for private FR-tech tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129902#2119419 (10Luke081515) > The form should not allow anyone to be automatically added by herald rules (i.e. studiesworld or Aklapper) The studiesworld rule is disabled ;), but a private task would herald not a... [18:49:39] 10Phabricator: Create a custom form for private FR-tech tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129902#2119610 (10Luke081515) [19:11:56] 10Phabricator: Create a custom form for private FR-tech tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129902#2119695 (10mmodell) @dstrine: As @Luke081515 pointed out, @aklapper is a member of #WMF-NDA so he would automatically be added. If you don't want that then you'd need to restrict the tasks to members of #WMF-FR [19:13:41] 10Phabricator: Create a custom form for private FR-tech tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129902#2119710 (10mmodell) Should the projects field of this form default to #WMF-FR? [19:18:28] 10Phabricator: Create a custom form for private FR-tech tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129902#2119742 (10mmodell) p:5Triage>3Normal [19:19:10] 10Phabricator: Create a custom form for private FR-tech tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129902#2119419 (10mmodell) https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/16/ is created, just need acknowledgement about the WMF-NDA issue with herald before closing this. [19:33:03] twentyafterfour: When you get a chance, D147. I may not be right there, I haven't tested yet. [19:33:04] D147: Strip possible .git from end of project name - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/D147 [19:33:11] Oh yay bot magic! [19:37:43] :) [19:47:18] 10Diffusion, 10Gitblit-Deprecate: Update mediawiki.org templates to link to Diffusion, not gitblit - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108864#2119820 (10mmodell) [19:47:21] 10Diffusion, 10Gitblit-Deprecate, 6Release-Engineering-Team, 7WorkType-NewFunctionality: Use Diffusion as canonical location for browsing code repos (not gitblit) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T752#2119821 (10mmodell) [19:47:24] 5Gerrit-Migration, 10Gitblit-Deprecate: Update {{git file}} to link to diffusion - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101358#2119818 (10mmodell) 5Open>3Resolved a:3mmodell [19:47:46] 5Gerrit-Migration, 10Gitblit-Deprecate: Update {{git file}} to link to diffusion - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101358#1336469 (10mmodell) a:5mmodell>3None not sure who should claim this one [19:55:41] 10Phabricator: Create a custom form for private FR-tech tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129902#2119419 (10Krenair) Even if you restricted it to members of #WMF_FR, members of that project would still be able to use Herald to subscribe themselves. [20:01:05] 10Phabricator: Create a custom form for private FR-tech tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129902#2119869 (10mmodell) >>! In T129902#2119857, @Krenair wrote: > Even if you restricted it to members of #WMF_FR, members of that project would still be able to use Herald to subscribe themselves. Indeed, ther... [20:02:47] 10Phabricator: Create a custom form for private FR-tech tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129902#2119891 (10Krenair) Agreed. Let's consider that part declined and do the rest of the request. [20:51:26] o/ [20:52:21] I'm looking into using git LFS (large file storage) to manage some blobs that I'd like to track along-side code. Do the WMF git servers already support git LFS and if not, could they? [20:55:06] halfak: git-lfs won't go on production, the only server side implementation is proprietary [20:55:30] greg-g, bah! Darn. OK. [20:55:30] oh, is git-annex the alternative then? [20:55:36] trebuchet uses git-fat, and we added git-fat support (as a transition) to scap3: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129420 [20:56:30] greg-g: would that be affected by usage of phab git vs gerrit? [20:56:35] halfak: also, -releng is the better channel, fwiw :) [20:56:40] i.e. gerrit and its weird git version [20:56:47] chasemp: large file stuff? no [20:57:22] * halfak moves over to releng. [20:58:10] so I just filed a bug w/ ubuntu and I notice they force you to put in a small summary [20:58:17] and then they prompt for possible dupes [20:58:27] this is such a huge missing piece of the puzzle for pha [20:58:29] b [20:58:49] very true. actually Bugzilla had it too a little bit [20:59:28] bugzilla wasn't it sort of type-ahead based [20:59:30] i think that is the package "reportbug" that does that for Ubuntu [20:59:36] which is kind of wonky in some ways [20:59:50] I did it via the UI with same process [21:00:40] mutante: it's in the launchpad UI, reportbug does awesome things like auto-attaching log/config files [21:01:07] aha [21:01:28] * mutante imagines it like this: [21:01:31] I hate their UI or at least don't love it but that's a killer feature when it works [21:01:36] I have a problem [21:01:41] please file a bug [21:01:51] !reportbug mediawiki it's broken [21:02:05] That sounds like existing T12345, could it be that? [21:02:05] T12345: Create "annotation" namespace on Hebrew Wikisource - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T12345 [21:02:11] oops [21:02:12] ha [21:02:23] yeah another thing I have been very tempted to make [21:02:31] is a generic header you can add things to for new bugs that says [21:02:44] "Ongoing known outages: foo is down , bar is down [21:02:49] just a low rent version for big things [21:03:05] we get 10 "blah is broken" tickets in 5 minutes for obvious things [21:03:13] and it's not great [21:03:47] yea, and that brings back the thoughts about "merge" behaviour [21:04:17] the generic header sounds like a good idea [21:05:33] ideally we'd have one central place to store that info and it would put it into the phabricator header AND in the operations channel topic AND on status.wm.org :p [21:05:42] seriously [21:06:00] that makes me think of icinga once being public.. :p meh [21:32:15] FWIW phabricator bug report forms support arbitrary header text / markup now. [21:32:43] easy to update that, not so easy to integrate it with irc channel topics though [21:32:44] twentyafterfour: reallly? [21:33:22] chasemp: yeah phab has custom forms now and each custom form supports arbitrary field hiding, field ordering, default values per form, and custom header per form [21:33:50] that could really improve things if during an outage there was a header that said [21:33:52] it's a really nicely done feature. [21:33:55] "yes we know and go here to see status" [21:34:10] rather than the merging of 20 tasks w/ different details [21:34:37] it might be possible to hack it to fetch the status info from some central location... or make an api to update the header in phab [21:35:36] it'd be nice if the bug-report form showed a list of recently reported issues actually [21:36:48] twentyafterfour: I wish we had like bugzilla - auto-search. [21:37:28] twentyafterfour: yeah or at least let us set the big UBN's in progress [22:11:31] 10Phabricator: Create a custom form for private FR-tech tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129902#2120463 (10DStrine) [22:13:59] 10Phabricator: Create a custom form for private FR-tech tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129902#2120467 (10DStrine) Regarding everything above about herald rules: that's fine. I was mistaken about the project. It should actually be #WMF-FR. I have updated the description. Thanks all for helping! [22:26:51] 10Phabricator: Create a custom form for private FR-tech tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129902#2120509 (10mmodell) 5Open>3Resolved Everything is done already with the one caveat about herald rules. [22:39:12] 10Phabricator: Create a custom form for private FR-tech tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129902#2120545 (10DStrine) Thanks for the help. I just tested this form. I created T129939 . It seems to have a custom policy. I can't tell if it's only visible to #wmf_fr. How could I ensure this is properly rest... [22:40:44] 10Phabricator: Create a custom form for private FR-tech tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129902#2120559 (10Krenair) It's certainly not visible to me at the moment. Someone in both #WMF_FR and one of the policy admin groups should be able to read the policy to check it for you. [23:37:42] 10Phabricator: Determining whether and when to close an open Phabricator Maniphest task - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129952#2120827 (10MZMcBride) [23:39:29] 10Phabricator: Determining whether and when to close an open Phabricator Maniphest task - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129952#2120851 (10MZMcBride) >>! In T106130#2119090, @greg wrote: > Edit warning is not going to get this done faster. For Gerrit changesets, we have a policy that in the case of a disagr... [23:45:50] 10Phabricator: Determining whether and when to close an open Phabricator Maniphest task - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129952#2120874 (10greg) To play devil's advocate: why not let the product owner (eg: in the case of VE James F) determine what is a legitimate bug (with due consideration and response to l... [23:56:30] 10Phabricator: Determining whether and when to close an open Phabricator Maniphest task - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129952#2120897 (10Krenair) Not all tasks have a product owner. Not all 'products' have an owner. I am generally sceptical of the idea of parts of Wikimedia being considered owned by indi...