[00:37:53] "Request aborted by debug time limit after 30 seconds." [00:38:12] Trying to load https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/librarization/board/ and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/mediawiki-core-team/board/ [00:38:25] <^d> I saw that bug a minute ago. [00:38:32] <^d> I tried it, they wfm, but are just hellllla slow [00:39:01] PhabricatorStartup->onDebugTick() is on top of both stack traces [00:39:55] <^d> Ahhhhh! [00:40:02] <^d> register_tick_function() [00:40:07] * ^d stabs stabs stabs [00:40:10] <^d> I need a bigger knife. [00:40:11] <^d> STAB [00:40:39] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P143 [00:40:53] register_tick_function() is nasty nastyness [00:41:09] are they doing long running php deamons? [00:41:14] <^d> The sprint boards look suspicious in that stacktrace. [00:41:24] <^d> Since those are new today [00:41:50] and shouldn't apply to either board? [00:42:08] or did they change their mind about how to hook that in? [00:42:48] * ^d has no idea [00:43:00] <^d> Also, reading that code led me to http://php.net/manual/en/control-structures.declare.php [00:43:35] 3Phabricator: Timeout errors loading boards - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78217#839637 (10bd808) 3NEW [00:44:10] <^d> Dupe of T78208 [00:44:37] 3Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/XXX/board/ times out - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78208#839648 (10bd808) {P143} [00:45:04] <^d> merged into. [00:45:41] Gergo's work around works too (numeric id instead of tag name) [00:52:19] 3Phabricator: Link to workboards from bugs. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78218#839758 (10Jdlrobson) 3NEW [01:13:40] 3Phabricator: Attempt to login into Phabricator fails with a 503 Service Unavailable error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78223#839866 (10Rillke) 3NEW [01:35:08] 3Phabricator.org: Should be possible to drag cards to unscrollable regions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78190#839960 (10Jdlrobson) No just guessing as there won't be an up arrow there. Just tried this on Chrome Mac and up arrow trick doesn't work so that trick doesn't help me :( [01:49:33] did the Phabricator downtime happen and I just missed it? [01:52:01] It's scheduled for just over another 6 hours. . . [01:52:29] 3Phabricator: Ability to designate sub-workboards in Phabricator - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78225#840017 (10RobLa-WMF) 3NEW [01:58:50] coulda swore a short window was advertised for today at 00:00 UTC, but *shrug* [02:01:12] 3Phabricator: Phabricator search does not reliably match assigned projects - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78219#840038 (10Krenair) [02:01:55] robla, there is a window from 00:00 to 08:00 [02:02:08] that one is next week though, right? [02:02:10] it's currently 02:02 [02:02:29] ahh... that is the 18th. good point [02:03:00] my vague recollection was that they wanted a short window this week, and a long window next week. [02:03:17] I think this week was actually at a different time, though. [02:16:27] robla: the phab deployment happened earlier this morning [02:16:43] ah, thanks [02:17:13] I'm not sure if there was actually any downtime, I was offline when it happeend [02:17:15] happened* [02:22:47] 3Phabricator: Unclear what the point of tokens in Phabricator is - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T899#15172 (10Krinkle) >>! In T899#831393, @Legoktm wrote: > I also think https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/token/leaders/ is pretty telling. ... which can be "discovered" by editing one's personal sidebar and a... [02:24:02] Krinkle: You can also type "tokens" into search. [03:09:59] 3Project-Management, Collaboration-Team: Trello migration script - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T821#840175 (10Spage) >>! In T821#790802, @Qgil wrote: > [[ https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:SPage_%28WMF%29/Trello_to_Phabricator | Trello to Phabricator ]] is an interesting wiki page. Should we bring it to... [04:38:53] 3Project-Management: "changed Security from none to none." - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T479#840405 (10MZMcBride) As an intermediate solution, could we have a bot go through and null edit every task to mark all the tasks that are currently public as Security = none. This currently feels like death by a t... [05:19:42] 3Phabricator.org: Phabricator Maniphest Subscribe/Unsubscribe action has oddly different font treatment - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78235#840499 (10MZMcBride) 3NEW [05:38:10] 3Phabricator.org: Phabricator shows avatars consistently against user names, which some users may dislike - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T65#840511 (10MZMcBride) >>! In T65#839188, @Qgil wrote: > Proposing to decline this task. I don't think this is a request that Wikimedia should upstream as Wikimedia. If... [05:55:05] 3Phabricator.org, Phabricator: Phabricator unintentionally removing CCs? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78236#840519 (10MZMcBride) 3NEW [05:57:12] <^d> If anyone takes my dragon avatar away I'm going to be Very Unpleased. [05:58:22] 3Phabricator.org: Phabricator avatar SVG support - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76096#840529 (10MZMcBride) >>! In T76096#790548, @Qgil wrote: > Probably related with {T1016}. I'd say, if fixing T1016 makes fixing this task very easy, fine. Otherwise, considering that avatars are uploaded only once in a whi... [06:05:10] 3Phabricator.org, Phabricator: Add optional "contact user" link to Phabricator user profiles - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78238#840537 (10MZMcBride) 3NEW [06:22:54] 3Phabricator.org, Phabricator: Phabricator unintentionally removing CCs? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78236#840553 (10Tgr) At a guess, this happens when # person A opens the task for editing # person B adds himself to the CC field # person A saves the form (which in his verson does not have person A in t... [06:45:18] 3Phabricator.org, Phabricator: Phabricator unintentionally removing CCs? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78236#840566 (10Nemo_bis) Hah! So we now miss the dreaded mid-air collisions. ;-) [06:52:52] 3Phabricator.org, Phabricator: Add optional "contact user" link to Phabricator user profiles - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78238#840570 (10Nemo_bis) There is a report about private messages on this instance; the conclusion was to add the userpage link. (I'm not able to find the report with phabricator sea... [06:56:03] 3Phabricator.org, MediaWiki-Core-Team: Allow to search tasks about MediaWiki core and core only - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76942#840576 (10Nemo_bis) Please stop removing phabricator-related projects from phabricator-related reports. Searching tickets on this site is hard enough. [07:02:02] 3Phabricator: Duplicate notification received by phabricator for gerrit merged commits - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78242#840599 (10Nemo_bis) 3NEW [07:02:38] 3Phabricator: Duplicate notification received by phabricator for gerrit merged commits - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78242#840599 (10Nemo_bis) [07:04:59] 3Phabricator: Next Phabricator upgrade on YYYY-MM-DD (to be defined) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78243#840609 (10Qgil) 3NEW [07:06:19] 3Phabricator: Acquire normalized and recurring WMF calendar event for Phabricator updates / maintenance - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76522#840618 (10Qgil) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Qgil Created: {T78243} As far as I can tell, yesterday's upgrade was quite seamless for users, or a least I haven't seen any... [07:15:06] 3Phabricator.org: Allow pasting an image in a task - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77020#840632 (10Qgil) The possibility of pasting an image has been mentioned tangentially at https://secure.phabricator.com/T5187, and I just added a comment asking explicitly for it. [07:15:25] 3Phabricator.org: Allow pasting an image in a task - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77020#840634 (10Qgil) [07:18:34] 3Phabricator.org: Notifications about events in restricted applications can't be marked read - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78246#840642 (10Nemo_bis) 3NEW [07:24:55] 3Phabricator: Workboards don't load anymore by tag URL - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78248#840657 (10Qgil) 3NEW [07:33:21] 3Phabricator.org: Increase the clickable region of the "Show all changes" expand box. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T962#16490 (10Qgil) [07:34:18] 3Phabricator.org: Increase the clickable region of the "Show all changes" expand box. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T962#16490 (10Qgil) [07:35:23] 3Phabricator.org: Increase the clickable region of the "Show all changes" expand box. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T962#840671 (10Qgil) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Qgil Fixed upstream, where the whole yellow box is clickable now. A keyboard shortcut should be also available, but isn't working for me yet. Mo... [07:41:35] 3Phabricator.org: Exact matches should always win when suggesting/auto-completing - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76732#840676 (10Qgil) @daniel, can you at least select "Wikidata" now? I have commented in the related upstream task: https://secure.phabricator.com/T6102#87052 [07:43:14] 3Phabricator: Workboards don't load anymore by tag URL - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78248#840681 (10Qgil) [07:43:15] 3Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/XXX/board/ times out - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78208#840682 (10Qgil) [07:44:23] 3Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/XXX/board/ times out - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78208#840689 (10Qgil) p:5Triage>3Normal [07:46:35] 3Phabricator, Phabricator-Sprint-Extension: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/XXX/board/ times out - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78208#840690 (10Qgil) Is this a problem caused by #Phabricator-Sprint-Extension ? For what is worth, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/%C2%A7analytics-sprint-2014-12-01... [07:47:34] 3Phabricator.org: Link to workboards from bugs. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78218#840693 (10Qgil) [07:52:42] 3Phabricator.org, Phabricator: Add optional "contact user" link to Phabricator user profiles - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78238#840694 (10MZMcBride) >>! In T78238#840570, @Nemo_bis wrote: > Would renaming "MediaWiki Userpa" to "Contact" be enough? I'm a little horrified that you also see that text trunc... [07:53:46] 3Phabricator.org: Link to workboards from bugs. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78218#840695 (10Qgil) In the header of tasks there is a "Projects" line, and there you can see between parenthesis the workboard column the task is placed in. That is a link to the workboard. There is one buggy exception to thi... [08:08:00] 3Phabricator: Attempt to login into Phabricator fails with a 503 Service Unavailable error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78223#840708 (10Qgil) p:5Triage>3Unbreak! Hm, same here: ``` Wikimedia Foundation Error Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is probably temporary and... [08:09:12] I just set https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78223 to Unbreak Now! [08:09:28] twentyafterfour, just in case you are still around, any ideas? [08:09:45] Otherwise no worries, LDAP login still works [08:09:55] ...looking [08:12:59] 3Phabricator.org, § Phabricator-Sprint-Extension: Add Acceptance Criteria/Checklist feature to Phabricator tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T1141#840720 (10Christopher) [08:14:46] 3Phabricator.org: Should be possible to drag cards to unscrollable regions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78190#840721 (10Qgil) I just don't think you can drag anything in touch devices, tablets included. Are you sure you cannot scroll up the page via keyword while having a card selected with your mouse?... [08:15:16] 3Phabricator: Attempt to login into Phabricator fails with a 503 Service Unavailable error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78223#840722 (10mmodell) the error is with mediawiki, not phab: On https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:OAuth/ I see this error: `A database query error has occurred. T... [08:16:00] 3Phabricator.org: Should be possible to drag cards to unscrollable regions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78190#840725 (10Qgil) p:5Triage>3Low [08:16:25] qgil: I'm not sure what to do about it, but I'm pretty sure it's a problem in the mediawiki side of things [08:17:11] it's suspicious because it comes right after the upgrade... [08:18:13] 3Phabricator.org: Ability to designate sub-workboards in Phabricator - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78225#840726 (10Qgil) p:5Triage>3Volunteer? [08:18:32] 3Phabricator.org, Project-Management, § Phabricator-Sprint-Extension: Restricting modification of tasks when they enter sprints - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T819#840728 (10Christopher) [08:23:13] 3Phabricator: access denied to own commit - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78249#840734 (10Lokal_Profil) 3NEW [08:23:46] 3Phabricator.org: Ability to designate sub-workboards in Phabricator - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78225#840742 (10Qgil) This is an interesting idea that would address the problems that we are hearing about having to keep several workboards in sync when oine task belongs to many. It is a complex feature... [08:26:32] 3Wikidata, Phabricator: Decide on "Priority" field values for Maniphest tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T268#840749 (10Gryllida) > Imagine that you create the tasks (if such feature requests haven't been created already, didn't check), and imagine that you set them to High priority. So what? If we inv... [08:27:55] 3Phabricator: Phabricator project display names use awkward capitalization and hyphenation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T911#840752 (10Nemo_bis) @Krinkle, why is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/609/ called Technical-Debt instead of Technical-debt? [08:28:32] 3Wikidata, Phabricator: Decide on "Priority" field values for Maniphest tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T268#840754 (10Gryllida) Let's say that a Team acknowledged that it would do tasks A, B, and C, but it doesn't want to do D or E. Yet D is higher priority than E. How would we convey that to the volu... [08:29:02] 3Phabricator: Adding a blocker results in "edited tasks, added: 1; removed: 1"? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78250#840755 (10Nemo_bis) 3NEW [08:29:36] 3Project-Management: "changed Security from none to none." - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T479#840771 (10Qgil) Please let us fix T493 (should be done one of these days) and see what happens with this problem. [08:30:21] 3Phabricator: "Phab" doesn't autocomplete to "Phabricator" as first project option - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78252#840773 (10Nemo_bis) [08:32:32] 3Phabricator, Phabricator-Sprint-Extension: List of #phabricator pseudo-sub-projects outdated - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78255#840796 (10Nemo_bis) 3NEW [08:32:45] 3Phabricator.org: Phabricator Maniphest Subscribe/Unsubscribe action has oddly different font treatment - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78235#840803 (10Qgil) p:5Triage>3Volunteer? Interesting. Do you want to file this one upstream directly? Looks like one of those oversights that they fix in a whim. [08:33:39] 3Phabricator, Phabricator-Sprint-Extension: List of #phabricator pseudo-sub-projects outdated - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78255#840806 (10Christopher) [08:34:25] 3Phabricator.org: Phabricator unintentionally removing CCs? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78236#840808 (10Qgil) p:5Triage>3Low [08:41:26] 3Project-Creators, Phabricator.org, MediaWiki-Core-Team: Allow to search tasks about MediaWiki core and core only - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76942#840836 (10Qgil) For what is worth... "Phabricator.org" project is for upstream requests, and this is clearly not one. "Phabricator" project is for specifi... [08:44:58] 3Phabricator, Phabricator-Sprint-Extension: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/XXX/board/ times out - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78208#840845 (10Christopher) [08:45:47] 3Phabricator: Duplicate notification received by phabricator for gerrit merged commits - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78242#840850 (10Qgil) p:5Triage>3Low What is being duplicated? Do you see that commit twice, or...? (Re Access Denied, it is due to #gitblit filling of repositories and should go away... [08:56:00] 3Phabricator.org: Notification page describes events with ignored sub-events - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78257#840892 (10Nemo_bis) 3NEW [08:56:07] 3Phabricator.org, Phabricator: Add optional "contact user" link to Phabricator user profiles - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78238#840902 (10Qgil) p:5Triage>3Normal We can rename this task as "Enable Conpherence for everybody". The feature is supported by Phabricator. Conpherence allows 1:1 private comm... [08:57:47] 3Phabricator.org, MediaWiki-Core-Team, Project-Creators: Allow to search tasks about MediaWiki core and core only - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76942#840912 (10Nemo_bis) > "Phabricator.org" project is for upstream requests, and this is clearly not one. Debatable, but that debate is happening on other rep... [08:59:22] 3Phabricator: Polish "MediaWiki Userpage" field in user profiles - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T541#840922 (10Qgil) >>! In T78238#840694, @MZMcBride wrote: >>>! In T78238#840570, @Nemo_bis wrote: >> Would renaming "MediaWiki Userpa" to "Contact" be enough? > > I'm a little horrified that you also see that... [08:59:49] 3Phabricator-Sprint-Extension, Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/XXX/board/ times out - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78208#840927 (10Christopher) This is a Sprint extension issue. This route is assumed to belong to Sprint but it should not be, because that link is project type neutral. I... [09:02:11] 3Phabricator: Ensure that all phabricator tasks are crawled by search engines - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76991#840935 (10Nemo_bis) > Search engines should eventually re-crawl all the web archives of wikibugs-l wikibugs-l is not archived and additionally lists.wikimedia.org prevents all crawling (which... [09:05:55] 3MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth, Phabricator: Attempt to login into Phabricator fails with a 503 Service Unavailable error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78223#840943 (10mmodell) @qgil: did you mean to add a subscriber or add a project tag? I didn't even know you could subscribe a project... [09:08:19] 3Phabricator-Sprint-Extension, Phabricator: List of #phabricator pseudo-sub-projects outdated - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78255#840946 (10Qgil) #Phabricator-Sprint-Extension added, thank you for noticing. I don't think we should add the sprints, as this creates overhead and is not sustainable over time... [09:08:53] 3Phabricator-Sprint-Extension, Phabricator: List of #phabricator pseudo-sub-projects outdated - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78255#840948 (10Qgil) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Qgil [09:09:17] 3Phabricator-Sprint-Extension, Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/XXX/board/ times out - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78208#840957 (10Christopher) [09:15:05] 3Phabricator.org: Web notifications for multiple actions only show "updated subscribers" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76098#840970 (10Qgil) [09:15:06] 3Phabricator.org: Notification page describes events with ignored sub-events - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78257#840969 (10Qgil) [09:17:06] 3Phabricator.org: Web notifications for multiple actions only show "updated subscribers" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76098#789484 (10Qgil) [09:18:39] 3Phabricator.org: Web notifications for multiple actions only show "updated subscribers" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76098#840981 (10Nemo_bis) I see that this task was morphed into a duplicate of my newly-filed T78257; but this is NOT the issue I reported. Please split back this separate issue instead... [09:18:47] 3Phabricator.org: Web notifications for multiple actions only show "updated subscribers" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76098#840983 (10Qgil) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Qgil In theory, this problem has been fixed upstream just a few hours ago, as part of a bigger task: https://secure.phabricator.com/T5604 R... [09:20:59] 3Phabricator.org: "Ignore" notification level setting has no effect on web notifications - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76098#840996 (10Nemo_bis) 5Resolved>3Open p:5Volunteer?>3Unbreak! [09:22:29] 3Phabricator.org: Notification page describes events with ignored sub-events - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78257#841007 (10Nemo_bis) 5duplicate>3Resolved [09:27:02] 3WMF-Legal, Phabricator: Policy for inappropriate avatars? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T1180#841018 (10Nemo_bis) Relatedly, I hope we're preventing upload of animated gifs as used on https://secure.phabricator.com/T5604#86369 [09:31:25] andre__, I suspect https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/W180 is not Public, and is forcing log in to access the homepage [09:31:43] andre__, also, editable by admins, can't do anything myself. Please change to editable by Phabricator [09:34:23] 3Phabricator: Ensure that all phabricator tasks are crawled by search engines - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76991#841031 (10Qgil) Using Google as a reference: * Searching for "Ensure that all phabricator tasks are crawled by search engines": "No results found for "Ensure that all phabricator tasks are cr... [09:36:50] 3MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth, Phabricator: Attempt to login into Phabricator fails with a 503 Service Unavailable error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78223#841034 (10Qgil) Add a subscriber, just to CC whoever is following that project (not sure whether it works). :) I don't think there is a problem in th... [09:45:06] 3MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth, Phabricator: Attempt to login into Phabricator fails with a 503 Service Unavailable error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78223#841048 (10TTO) Probably the database wasn't updated after https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/153983/ was merged. [09:48:03] 3Phabricator.org: "Ignore" notification level setting has no effect on web notifications - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76098#841049 (10Qgil) p:5Unbreak!>3Volunteer? >>! In T76098#840981, @Nemo_bis wrote: > I see that this task was morphed into a duplicate of my newly-filed T78257; The other way arou... [09:48:17] qgil: argh, thank you, fixed now (and tested with not being logged in) [09:49:01] 3Phabricator.org: Notification page describes events with ignored sub-events - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78257#841051 (10Qgil) [09:49:31] thanks! [09:50:29] * qgil really needs to think again his Phabricator time. I cannot catch up with Nemo - Gryllida - Jared's feedback, and I feel I could spend the day addressing their problems [09:51:35] 3MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth, Phabricator: Attempt to login into Phabricator fails with a 503 Service Unavailable error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78223#841053 (10Nemo_bis) [09:52:15] 3MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth, Phabricator: Attempt to login into Phabricator fails with a 503 Service Unavailable error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78223#839866 (10Nemo_bis) >>! In T78223#841048, @TTO wrote: > Probably the database wasn't updated after https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/153983/ was merge... [09:52:21] 3Phabricator: Phabricator search does not reliably match assigned projects - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78219#841056 (10Aklapper) p:5Triage>3Low Confirming. [09:52:40] qgil: same here :-/ [09:53:32] 3WMF-Legal, Phabricator: Policy for inappropriate avatars? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T1180#841060 (10Qgil) Yes, we are: {T78072} [09:54:41] 3Phabricator: Phabricator project display names use awkward capitalization and hyphenation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T911#841063 (10Aklapper) @Nemo_bis: See T75892 instead. [09:56:29] 3Phabricator.org, Phabricator: Phabricator search does not reliably match assigned projects - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78219#841067 (10Qgil) [09:57:02] 3Phabricator.org, Phabricator: Fix search in Wikimedia Phabricator - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T75854#841070 (10Qgil) [09:57:17] 3Phabricator: access denied to own commit - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78249#841072 (10Aklapper) [09:59:55] 3Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/XXX/board/ times out - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78208#841080 (10Christopher) [10:00:47] 3Phabricator.org: Exact matches should always win when suggesting/auto-completing - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76732#841083 (10Aklapper) 5Resolved>3Open I'm reopening this for the time being. [10:01:04] 3Phabricator: "Phab" doesn't autocomplete to "Phabricator" as first project option - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78252#841085 (10Aklapper) [10:01:05] 3Phabricator.org: Exact matches should always win when suggesting/auto-completing - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76732#841086 (10Aklapper) [10:01:20] 3Phabricator: Adding a blocker results in "edited tasks, added: 1; removed: 1"? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78250#841088 (10Aklapper) p:5Triage>3Volunteer? [10:01:45] 3Phabricator: "Phab" doesn't autocomplete to "Phabricator" as first project option - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78252#841092 (10Qgil) p:5Triage>3Low It might be worth to wait until T76732 is clearly fixed. [10:02:23] funny, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78252#841085 [10:03:15] andre__, it looks like at least you an me could save some time by not dedicating the same amount of time to this wave of feedback [10:03:25] I'm not sure about the specific solution, though [10:04:16] Maybe you can take care of the first triage, while I focus more on promoting/demoting what has been triaged, and to kick "old" tasks that deserve some action [10:04:43] promoting/demoting what has been triaged... only if needed (90% of cases is not needed) [10:10:15] 3Phabricator: access denied to own commit - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78249#841112 (10Qgil) [10:10:18] 3Phabricator: Do not send emails when importing changes to Diffusion - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78154#841113 (10Qgil) [10:12:09] 3Phabricator.org: Notifications about events in restricted applications can't be marked read - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78246#841120 (10Qgil) [10:13:00] 3Phabricator.org: Notifications about events in restricted applications can't be marked read - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78246#840642 (10Qgil) You are not visiting that page because you get an Access Denied prompt. I expect this problem to be solved when T78154 is resolved. [10:15:15] yeah, but I'll likely just add one sentence and drop priority to needs volunteer for initial triage :) [10:19:52] 3Wikidata, Phabricator: Decide on "Priority" field values for Maniphest tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T268#841148 (10Aklapper) >>! In T268#840749, @Gryllida wrote: > If we invent a way to properly indicate which of these tasks are off the Team radar, then anybody will be able to browse such tasks and... [10:32:01] 3Phabricator.org: Notifications about events in restricted applications can't be marked read - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78246#841185 (10Nemo_bis) > I expect this problem to be solved when T78154 is resolved. Will that also retroactively cleanup my https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/notification/ ? [10:35:16] 3Phabricator.org, Phabricator: Fix search in Wikimedia Phabricator - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T75854#841201 (10Qgil) [10:35:17] 3Phabricator: Links in the task description are not searchable - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78193#841198 (10Qgil) 5Open>3declined a:3Qgil Searching for "https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/861" brings this task as single result. To me this means that links in the tas... [10:35:18] 3Multimedia, Phabricator: Impossible to find Phabricator task from Mingle card - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78191#841202 (10Qgil) [10:35:29] 3Phabricator.org, Phabricator: Fix search in Wikimedia Phabricator - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T75854#783695 (10Qgil) [10:35:30] 3Phabricator: Links in the task description are not searchable - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78193#841203 (10Qgil) 5declined>3Invalid [10:35:32] 3Multimedia, Phabricator: Impossible to find Phabricator task from Mingle card - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78191#838973 (10Qgil) [10:36:25] 3Phabricator.org, Phabricator: Fix search in Wikimedia Phabricator - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T75854#783695 (10Qgil) [10:40:02] 3Phabricator: Searchable "Reference" custom field - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T991#841209 (10Qgil) [10:43:39] 3Phabricator-Sprint-Extension, Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/XXX/board/ times out - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78208#841216 (10Christopher) [11:00:49] 3Wikidata, Phabricator: Decide on "Priority" field values for Maniphest tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T268#841235 (10Qgil) >>! In T268#840749, @Gryllida wrote: > If we invent a way to properly indicate which of these tasks are off the Team radar, then anybody will be able to browse such tasks and ide... [11:09:11] 3Wikidata, Phabricator: Decide on "Priority" field values for Maniphest tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T268#841252 (10Gryllida) I take setting perfectly normal issues to "lowest" priority "just because we don't want to work on them now" more disorganized than your first paragraph. No, creating a separ... [11:10:53] 3Wikidata, Phabricator: Decide on "Priority" field values for Maniphest tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T268#841259 (10Gryllida) I might clarify: the Team may want to create a tag for itself, if it likes. One "Flow" tag and one "Flow Team Took it" tag. That would perhaps make more sense, since a Team t... [11:13:36] 3Wikidata, Phabricator: Decide on "Priority" field values for Maniphest tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T268#841261 (10Gryllida) Such "Flow team took it" tag would also make more sense, because random outsiders would file bugs from outside -- from wikimedia projects, from random internal and public wik... [11:15:33] 3Wikidata, Phabricator: Decide on "Priority" field values for Maniphest tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T268#841275 (10Gryllida) > But I could see the usefulness of i.e. "Tech-Ambassadors-Radar" or "MediaWiki Stakeholders' Group" as way to channel and consolidate the most relevant feedback from the com... [11:29:16] 3Engineering-Community, Analytics-Tech-community-metrics, Phabricator: Monthly report of total / active Phabricator users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T1003#841296 (10Nemo_bis) > start humble with sql queries Speaking of which. As the Bugzilla weekly report is no more :[, this update could be sent direct... [11:45:55] 3Phabricator.org: Exact matches should always win when suggesting/auto-completing - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76732#841324 (10Qgil) a:5Qgil>3None [11:46:58] 3Phabricator.org: "Ignore" notification level setting has no effect on web notifications - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76098#841325 (10Qgil) a:5Qgil>3None [11:47:38] 3Phabricator: Do not send emails when importing changes to Diffusion - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78154#841326 (10Qgil) p:5Triage>3Normal [11:48:33] 3Phabricator.org: In Phabricator forms, text fields made visible by an option should become focused when they appear - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78196#841328 (10Qgil) p:5Triage>3Volunteer? [11:50:13] 3Phabricator.org: In Phabricator forms, text fields made visible by an option should become focused when they appear - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78196#839137 (10Qgil) >>! In T78196#839137, @Tgr wrote: > (On an unrelated note, shouldn't #usability resolve to Design instead of WMF-Design-Research?) @Jare... [11:50:35] 3Phabricator: Upgrade phab-01 to use the same version as production Phabricator - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78168#841332 (10Qgil) p:5Triage>3Normal [11:52:45] 3Phabricator: Set default Can View policy for Projects and Files to Public - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77906#841339 (10Qgil) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Qgil [11:53:07] 3Phabricator: Upgrade phab-01 to use the same version as production Phabricator - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78168#841341 (10yuvipanda) Probably not. I just added a puppet role :) [11:54:08] 3Phabricator, Project-Creators: Add needs-consensus tag for "contested" tickets - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76311#841345 (10Qgil) p:5Normal>3Low [11:55:24] 3Phabricator.org: Notifications about events in restricted applications can't be marked read - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78246#841346 (10Qgil) p:5Triage>3Low [11:55:53] 3Phabricator.org, Project-Creators, MediaWiki-Core-Team: Allow to search tasks about MediaWiki core and core only - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76942#841347 (10Qgil) p:5Triage>3Normal [11:56:12] 3Phabricator.org: Link to workboards from bugs. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78218#841348 (10Qgil) p:5Triage>3Normal [11:59:21] 3Phabricator.org: Notification flyout lacks timestamps, hard to understand when actions happend - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78198#841357 (10Qgil) Clearly the goal is to show as many notifications as possible in a sequence, showing the minimum information. I actually don't think that adding the time & da... [11:59:48] 3Phabricator.org: Notification flyout lacks timestamps, hard to understand when actions happend - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78198#841360 (10Qgil) p:5Triage>3Volunteer? [12:08:23] 3Phabricator: Short term plan for security and private tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76401#841364 (10Qgil) [12:09:30] 3Phabricator: Short term plan for security and private tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76401#799608 (10Qgil) [12:09:32] 3Phabricator.org: Phabricator should warn users when they mention other users on content (tasks/mockups) that the mentioned users cannot access due to permissions similar to google drive and gmail. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78184#841365 (10Qgil) 5Open>3declined a:3Qgil Summarizing, our current a... [12:10:04] 3Phabricator.org: Phabricator should warn users when they mention other users on content (tasks/mockups) that the mentioned users cannot access - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78184#841371 (10Qgil) [12:10:53] 3Phabricator: Short term plan for security and private tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76401#841372 (10Qgil) [12:11:20] 3Phabricator.org: Phabricator should warn users when they mention other users on content (tasks/mockups) that the mentioned users cannot access - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78184#838572 (10Qgil) [12:18:08] 3Phabricator.org: Report creation form shouldn't contain "Create new project" link - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78245#841390 (10Qgil) In our case, yes. Then again, I believe only Project-Creators see that link. [12:18:17] 3Phabricator.org: Report creation form shouldn't contain "Create new project" link - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78245#841393 (10Qgil) p:5Triage>3Volunteer? [12:25:34] 3Phabricator.org: Allow pasting an image in a task - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77020#841401 (10Qgil) >>! In https://secure.phabricator.com/T5187#87071, epriestley wrote: > Copy/paste should already work in Chrome. > > Last time we checked (June 2014) other browsers did not appear to support it, or supp... [12:31:46] 3Project-Management, Phabricator.org, Phabricator-Sprint-Extension: Restricting modification of tasks when they enter sprints - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T819#841406 (10JanZerebecki) Please make sure this remains optional. Not all users of the sprint extension will want to have this edit protection. [12:40:09] 3Project-Management, Phabricator.org, Phabricator-Sprint-Extension: Restricting modification of tasks when they enter sprints - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T819#841414 (10Dzahn) "... concerned about the possibility for just anybody to land in their projects and start changing ... knowing or not what they a... [12:48:09] 3Phabricator, Wikidata: Decide on "Priority" field values for Maniphest tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T268#841420 (10Aklapper) > Let's use a "needs-volunteer" tag Well, somebody still needs to set that tag, or remove it when setting an assignee or adding the task to a sprint. Adding some tags is eas... [12:54:43] 3Phabricator, Project-Creators, MediaWiki-Core-Team: Allow to search tasks about MediaWiki core and core only - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76942#841429 (10Aklapper) [12:55:45] 3Phabricator, Project-Creators, MediaWiki-Core-Team: Allow to search tasks about MediaWiki core and core only - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76942#823264 (10Aklapper) [Project organization needs to primarily work for the project owners and Quim explained above the difference. Feel free to search for items... [12:58:44] 3Phabricator.org: Phabricator Maniphest Subscribe/Unsubscribe action has oddly different font treatment - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78235#841437 (10Aklapper) Same reason as T635#836313 ? [13:01:37] 3Project-Management, Phabricator.org, Phabricator-Sprint-Extension: Restricting modification of tasks when they enter sprints - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T819#841447 (10Qgil) ... one problem being that MediaWiki pages are born to be reverted to any point in history. Phabricator boards, not so much. [13:08:05] * YuviPanda gently bugs andre__ with https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78093 [13:08:15] filed another task that should’ve had that project, but atm doesn’t... [13:08:25] (being https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78269) [13:08:37] 3Phabricator.org: Report creation form shouldn't contain "Create new project" link - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78245#841455 (10Aklapper) p:5Volunteer?>3Low [13:10:36] YuviPanda, done [13:11:01] andre__: ty! [13:11:43] 3Phabricator.org: Phabricator need structured way of relating non-blocking tasks to each other (like Bugzilla's "See also"), showing that relation in both tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76101#841460 (10Aklapper) [13:18:50] 3Project-Management, Phabricator.org, Phabricator-Sprint-Extension: Restricting modification of tasks when they enter sprints - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T819#841465 (10JanZerebecki) Sure they are, the full edit history is there. Each change in board column is recorded as a line in the ticket. (Though ca... [13:21:47] 3Phabricator, MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth: Attempt to login into Phabricator fails with a 503 Service Unavailable error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78223#841468 (10Rillke) [13:24:09] 3Project-Management, Phabricator.org, Phabricator-Sprint-Extension: Restricting modification of tasks when they enter sprints - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T819#841474 (10chasemp) I think it would be fair to say that referenceable history exists, but not restorable history. These are quite different in te... [13:30:01] 3Phabricator, MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth: Attempt to login into Phabricator fails with a 503 Service Unavailable error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78223#841489 (10Dzahn) informed ops and our dba about the query error, thanks Nemo for pointing out the process for schema changes already [13:37:07] 3Phabricator, MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth: Attempt to login into Phabricator fails with a 503 Service Unavailable error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78223#841494 (10Dzahn) afaict either all the .sql files from https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/153983/9 need to be run by DBA (springle) or the change shoul... [13:42:10] 3RT-Migration: Schedule RT migration for Thu 18 Dec 00:00UTC (Wed 17 Dec 16:00PST) until Thu 18Dec 08:00UTC (00:00PST) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76773#841503 (10Aklapper) Sent announcement email to 'wikitech-l', 'mediawiki-l' and internal 'engineering': https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l... [13:45:21] 3Phabricator, MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth: Attempt to login into Phabricator fails with a 503 Service Unavailable error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78223#841509 (10Aklapper) Potentially the same issues: T78209, T78247, T78223 [13:48:12] 3Phabricator, MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth: Attempt to login into Phabricator fails with a 503 Service Unavailable error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78223#841523 (10Dzahn) DBA now looking at tables... or https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/179130/ we are getting more reports on IRC [13:52:26] 3Phabricator, MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth: Attempt to login into Phabricator fails with a 503 Service Unavailable error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78223#841539 (10Rillke) > informed ops and our dba about the query error, @Dzahn Reported this this morning in `#wikimedia-operations` but no one cared. So w... [13:52:36] 3Phabricator, MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth: Attempt to login into Phabricator fails with a 503 Service Unavailable error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78223#841540 (10Dzahn) also https://tools.wmflabs.org/oauth-hello-world/ [13:53:58] 3Phabricator, MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth: Attempt to login into Phabricator fails with a 503 Service Unavailable error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78223#841545 (10mmodell) @dzahn: I can confirm that it's fixed. [13:54:16] 3Phabricator, MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth: Attempt to login into Phabricator fails with a 503 Service Unavailable error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78223#841546 (10mmodell) 5Open>3Resolved a:3mmodell [13:59:31] 3Phabricator, MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth: Attempt to login into Phabricator fails with a 503 Service Unavailable error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78223#841563 (10Springle) The DDL in backend/schema/mysql/callback_is_prefix.sql has been applied to mediawiki.org schema, but nothing more. Wondering why h... [14:08:32] 3Phabricator: Plan to migrate everything to Phabricator - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T13#841592 (10fbstj) [14:08:36] 3Phabricator.org: Report creation form shouldn't contain "Create new project" link - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78245#841593 (10Qgil) >>! In T78245#841390, @Qgil wrote: > Then again, I believe only Project-Creators see that link. Wrong, the rest of users see this as well. If they click, they get. > You... [14:22:49] 3Project-Management, Phabricator.org, Phabricator-Sprint-Extension: Restricting modification of tasks when they enter sprints - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T819#841621 (10Qgil) We should also take this in the context of sprints, which are 2-4 week active projects containing tasks that are supposed to be ow... [14:25:04] 3Phabricator, Phabricator-Sprint-Extension: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/XXX/board/ times out - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78208#841627 (10Qgil) a:3Christopher [14:27:42] 3Phabricator, Phabricator-Sprint-Extension: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/XXX/board/ times out - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78208#841633 (10Qgil) @Christopher, I guess what is missing is the patch to deploy your change in phabricator.wikimedia.org? [14:30:48] is there a way to search for e.g. "all easy bugs in MediaWiki" instead of merely "all easy bugs about anything"? [14:31:16] or is that going to have to be a toollabs project [14:32:33] zuzak: not sure yet in phabricator but there is this https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Annoying_little_bugs [14:33:14] zuzak: ah, see how in the page above, the former BZ links are now phabricator links [14:33:54] and if you follow one of them, you see the "In All Projects: easy" tag it usess [14:34:17] so you adjust the "In Any Project" thing [14:46:40] 3Project-Management, Phabricator.org, Phabricator-Sprint-Extension: Restricting modification of tasks when they enter sprints - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T819#841655 (10JanZerebecki) Yes, there might not yet be a tool to mass revert a selected set of changes (like everything user x has done in the last d... [14:47:00] 3Phabricator, Phabricator.org: We need a Wikimedia process for filing tasks and patches upstream in the name of Wikimedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T1298#841659 (10Qgil) I'm thinking of a better way to organize the [[ https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/6/ | Phabricator.org workboard ]]. T... [14:47:57] hashar: could you look at my latest make-release commit? [15:35:02] 3Project-Management: Mingle migration script - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T822#841866 (10Arrbee) @Awjrichards Thank you. Probably worth exploring while we are at it. [16:20:22] 3Phabricator-Sprint-Extension, Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/XXX/board/ times out - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78208#841961 (10Anomie) p:5Normal>3Unbreak! I'm going to bump the priority on this to "Unbreak now!" since it's breaking our Kanban board. [16:22:41] 3Phabricator.org: Should be possible to drag cards to unscrollable regions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78190#841965 (10Jdlrobson) Nope scrolling is impossible on Mac and if it's not this is a super serious usability issue. In mean time I am having to drag them column to column. [16:25:01] 3Phabricator.org: Should be possible to drag cards to unscrollable regions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78190#841967 (10Chad) Scrolling is not impossible on a Mac, I do it every day. The way to drag things off the viewable browser area in a Mac (this just isn't Phabricator) is to hold the item with one f... [16:38:19] 3Phabricator-Sprint-Extension, Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/XXX/board/ times out - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78208#841989 (10Qgil) If you go to your project page and then click the work board button, it should work. [16:42:03] 3Phabricator: High level overview of Phabricator projects - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T833#842001 (10Toolboxx8) I have created a clone (quite literally) of the old Bugzilla page: https://old-bugzilla.wikimedia.org/describecomponents.cgi at https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Toolboxx8/Sandbo... [17:06:16] 3Phabricator-Sprint-Extension, Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/XXX/board/ times out - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78208#842077 (10Christopher) deploy patch is here https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/179155/1/manifests/role/phabricator.pp [17:11:35] 3Phabricator, Analytics-Tech-community-metrics: SQL user/grant for phabricator statistics script - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78311#842089 (10Dzahn) 3NEW a:3Springle [17:11:53] 3Phabricator.org, Phabricator: Users CCed in private tasks should be able to access them - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T518#6478 (10Jdlrobson) I just ran into this issue. Apparently there is a security issue with a bug in mobile that I cannot fix because I cannot view it. Would be good to resolve this bug!... [17:14:20] 3Phabricator, Analytics-Tech-community-metrics, Engineering-Community: Monthly report of total / active Phabricator users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T1003#842103 (10Dzahn) [17:25:38] 3Phabricator, Analytics-Tech-community-metrics: SQL user/grant for phabricator statistics script - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78311#842121 (10Aklapper) p:5Triage>3Normal [17:46:53] hmm.. it seems like on this T https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78223 i can click the little drop-down menu next to each comment for _some_ users but not all [17:47:29] example: my own comments and the one from mukunda, i can click to "quote" but user Rillke i can't [17:47:46] when i click there nothing appears to be happen [17:48:07] screenshot? [17:48:22] I guess of nothing isn't useful :) [17:49:41] <^d> chasemp: The queue caught up last night, everything's done :) [17:49:52] <^d> Only thing left were those 189 mta jobs waiting to hit their limit. [17:51:24] 3Phabricator: High level overview of Phabricator projects - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T833#842186 (10Aklapper) @Toolboxx8: Thanks for your work on this! Referring to your example, Bugzilla product "Common Apps" and component "Android" became Phabricator project "Commons-App-Android" - you can see that li... [17:51:54] ^d: yep I reverted DB change so it's based on puppet yaml again now [17:51:59] in case you need to up it some time [17:52:22] <^d> I'm not importing any more repos for a bit. I want to nail down that notification thing. [17:52:26] <^d> So we should be fine. [17:52:28] cool [17:54:23] chasemp: as you wish :) https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/M25/46/ and click between the 2 images :) [17:55:09] well I don't know actually, haven't seen that symbo [17:55:10] l [17:55:25] they have been trying to do some nice stuff with not allowing deletion after certain criteria [17:55:29] I wonder if its doing weird things [17:55:52] if you could find another instance it's worth a ticket [18:50:23] Is there a setting I need to modify to not get emails about my own actions on Phabricator? [18:50:44] (i.e comments on Maniphest) [18:51:20] ah, found it. [18:51:33] Lcawte, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Help#Receiving_updates_and_notifications [18:51:38] which links to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ [18:51:47] Self Actions [19:01:25] here's one of the ideas from MW that I filed upstream in BZ: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704753 [19:02:24] basically, rate limiting by default [19:03:25] here's how it works in MediaWiki: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRateLimits [19:05:51] another one: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363346 [19:05:59] it may be possible to do in some respects without adding an intense of complexity by having some trust facter (such as month old accounts) that exempts folks and tracking down and evaulating recent history for non-trusted accounts [19:06:08] but it's a whackamole game at best [19:06:35] and I would imagine upstream's view is to limit people if we want them limited, as in not assign edit permissions to people we don't want to edit much as the same as BZ upstream [19:06:44] which I think is fairly reasonable from their perspective [19:06:58] it is a weird requirement to say, we trust everyone [19:07:09] but only so far and only so much and we want to clean up their messes easily [19:07:33] that's very hard to do well, versus stemming the problem by only trusting people you trust from the outset [19:07:51] but some versions of this seem very possible depending on teh actual spec desired [19:10:28] a wiki being in large part capable of these things is because it is made for these scenarios, in some sense this is saying, well this airplane sure flies nice but can't it have the tires of a jeep? Because we like to go through mud with it on occassion [19:10:47] not to say we can't at least control the bleeding but it's a mixed message [19:12:35] 3Engineering-Community, Project-Management: Tech Talk: Phabricator for Wikimedia projects - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T557#842388 (10Qgil) 5Open>3Resolved Done! https://plus.google.com/events/cjb4le2ntnqogbbubmjrm9ikq1s [19:15:10] while it may not be upstream's priority to push the limits on inclusive public collaboration, it's in our purview to push it. [19:15:41] 3Engineering-Community, Project-Management: Tech Talk: Phabricator for Wikimedia projects - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T557#842400 (10Qgil) @Christopher, we decided to do the Sprint part in another session, in a few weeks, whenever you are available via hangout. Questions on IRC and replies via hangout ca... [19:16:43] <^d> I've liked the idea of self-expanding groups that can do things like this. [19:17:40] <^d> Allowing any member of the group to add any other member without asking questions. It might not stop someone who's determined to infiltrate and cause damage, but it stops the drive-by account creator from doing damage. [19:17:42] robla: sure no doubt, but we shouldn't be surprised by indifference at an admittedly WMF specific desire [19:19:10] <^d> It's what we changed editbugs to. Since that point we've had fewer questions about how to get the permission (since so many people can Just Do It) and we still haven't had any massive spam attacks. [19:19:24] chasemp: we shouldn't be surprised, but we should be prepared to push for this with some amount of zeal [19:20:09] <^d> I really don't think arbitrary rate limits a-la MediaWiki is as useful for Phabricator/BZ/Gerrit/etc. [19:20:29] <^d> I think standard groups get the job done. [19:20:50] ^d: really? out editbugs thing was hacky [19:21:08] <^d> I don't think so. I think it's giving permission to trusted users. [19:21:31] making a self policing group for which members vett members for editing tasks is very doable in phab [19:21:56] ^d: we don't know how many well-intentioned people just gave up because they didn't know how to complain [19:22:39] <^d> What would they be complaining about? What are they not able to do? [19:22:45] edit bugs [19:23:04] <^d> I think most well-intentioned newcomers are interested in filing their bug, not editing it. [19:25:44] I can't see what's wrong with rate limiting, though [19:26:08] well for one it only matters when theirs already a problem [19:26:27] <^d> I see it as useful if you have it, sure. But I can see why an upstream (BZ, Phab, etc) would be skeptical of the usecase. [19:26:33] so on it's own it is made to create smaller piles of poop and not less poop [19:27:04] chasemp: rate limiting combined with tools that make it reasonably easy to keep up works pretty well [19:27:16] ....that buys you time to block the person [19:27:53] the holiday attack we had in 2011(?) *really* would have benefited from rate limiting [19:28:02] well, we could probably agree it's more comple and intricate than just not letting them make the mess in the first place [19:28:08] so I guess the tradeoff is someone's call [19:28:20] and that someone has to be able to designate staff and resources to do the cleaning up [19:28:24] which isn't me [19:28:58] rate limiting is even a benefit for things that almost everyone wants to keep public [19:29:02] to me it seems like lot of work to say, we want to trust everyone even though that is impractical and we know it [19:29:04] e.g. submitting a bug [19:31:26] chasemp: our main website has had a reasonable amount of success centered around the idea of trusting everyone by default [19:31:43] so "impractical and we know it" isn't true [19:31:46] sure but it's not a bug tracker [19:32:28] <^d> I have to go with chasemp here. We're talking a totally different scale of problem here. [19:33:02] I guess another question is [19:33:08] should we jsut use mediawiki instead of phabricator? [19:33:10] and if not, why not [19:33:46] <^d> You can shoehorn MediaWiki into doing almost anything. But MediaWiki isn't that thing. [19:34:01] "implement rate limiting in Phabricator" is not an equivalent request to "implement bug tracking in MediaWiki" [19:34:11] <^d> (we did code review for SVN on mw.org, fwiw. do not want to repeat) [19:34:14] I think rate limiting could be a good compromise [19:34:37] guys, it's already done https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Tasks :) [19:36:11] <^d> Anyway, we'll see what upstream says. Depending on how interested they are writing patches may be more effective than trying to convince :) [19:37:12] indeed. I'm writing up a comment for T84 now [19:37:44] FWIW I'm not being facetious at all, genuinely curious since mediawiki solves lots of these hard problems [19:38:51] 3Phabricator: High level overview of Phabricator projects - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T833#842484 (10Qgil) I think the current list would be good enough for a GCi task in terms of entries. We can polish these type of details that are quite time consuming for a newcomer but someone like Andre can decide i... [19:40:53] <^d> chasemp: For the elastic patch, we decided to revise it and turn it into a config check instead of doing it at index time. [19:41:09] <^d> Also introduced a new ./search init subcommand for that. [19:41:19] <^d> Still working :) [19:41:46] what does turning it into a config check mean? [19:42:34] <^d> "You have N unresolved setup issues" [19:42:37] ah [19:43:24] <^d> Nice thing about that is it means it'll warn us after pulling new code if the mapping is out of date. [19:43:31] <^d> Working on tidying up /that/ logic now [19:44:03] interesting yeah, that scheme is nice [19:44:30] what I would like is a self referencing attribute for teh phd daemons that tell them when to reload their config [19:44:41] instead of vomiting up that they need cli intervension [19:44:51] unrelated but semi-related :) [19:44:57] 3Phabricator-Sprint-Extension, Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/XXX/board/ times out - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78208#842514 (10Qgil) p:5Unbreak!>3High High priority is enough, since there is a way to access to workboards through the URL with their number / clicking the "Workboard... [19:51:20] 3Project-Management, Phabricator: Make sure anti-vandalism features are up to snuff - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T84#842530 (10RobLa-WMF) Here's a few notions that may warrant subtasks if they don't already exist or if the functionality isn't already in Phabricator: * Single-link ability to "undo" an acti... [20:18:20] 3Triagers, Project-Creators, Project-Management, Phabricator: Broaden the group of users that can create projects in Phabricator - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T706#842621 (10atgo) Could I also be added to Project-Creators? I am the scrum master + product owner of Fundraising and will need to manage sprints... [20:30:44] 3Phabricator: evaluate Phabricator's slowvote as a Loomio replacement for WMF - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76667#842661 (10Chip) Hi everyone, here's my opinion on the topic. I recognize it might be a little controversial, but hear me out. I think WMF (both as a company and as a movement) has a pretty se... [20:42:23] If I query Maniphest for tasks where the Wikipedia-App-Android-App project is included, why is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78115 not returned? [20:43:24] can you link to the search? [20:43:29] url should be portable [20:43:48] (that task is closed also) [20:43:55] so it may not be finding closed tasks [20:43:58] chasemp, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/query/XI_TFxSSZVlN/ [20:44:08] it returns some closed tasks [20:44:36] see: Page Size [20:44:41] there were more than 100 tasks returned [20:44:45] it was on the next page :) [20:44:57] set to 500 or soemthing and it shows up [20:46:36] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/query/lVZcMEtVPDIJ/#R [20:48:05] Ahh because it groups them, then sorts the groups. Okay, thanks chasemp [20:48:07] group none by date created https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/query/dD2Zat85cfBC/#R [20:48:33] np [20:49:34] in theory grouping is great but meh default I guess [20:52:23] 3Phabricator: status.wikimedia.org should display phabricator status - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78331#842696 (10Krenair) Do not create tasks in Phabricator without associating a project. [21:50:21] 3Phabricator: Phabricator: cannot view /tag//board/ - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78341#842852 (10Ricordisamoa) 3NEW [21:53:30] 3Phabricator: Phabricator: cannot view /tag//board/ - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78341#842862 (10Legoktm) [21:53:31] 3Phabricator-Sprint-Extension, Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/XXX/board/ times out - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78208#842863 (10Legoktm) [22:13:44] 3Team-Practices, Project-Management: Goal: Common project management guidelines to be followed by teams and individual contributors are published - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T558#842933 (10Awjrichards) @Qgil is there anything else you need/would like to see from the TPG on this goal/task? We will of cour... [22:16:30] chasemp: twentyafterfour: if you are around, I got a puppet oddity for you :-] In puppet manifests/role/phabricator.pp include a password class in the global scope :D [22:16:36] that is not nice! https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78344 [22:16:56] hashar: I'm here [22:17:22] chasemp, on https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T35704 I can open the dropdowns to quote/view raw on people's comments that are visible from the start [22:17:23] the include password* need to be moved under the roles. I am playing with RSpec for puppet which loads all the manifests and thus choke cause it can't find the password class [22:17:35] it is not a high prio. Just making sure it is under your radar [22:17:39] chasemp, But this does not work for comments that appear when I press "Older changes are hidden. Show older changes." [22:17:40] known? [22:21:02] Krenair: odd. that sounds like an upstream bug [22:21:09] yeah [22:21:11] can you reproduce? [22:21:23] hashar: I don't see problem with moving the include [22:21:30] Krenair: I'll try [22:23:38] twentyafterfour: yeah it is probably safe but I did not want to have yet another puppet patch proposed :] [22:25:38] 3Project-Management: "changed Security from none to none." - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T479#842966 (10mmodell) I finally got to the bottom of the "none" to "none" issue: The field configuration has "default": "none" And the options also has "default": "none" however, the value of "default" is supposed... [22:26:03] 3MediaWiki-General-or-Unknown, Project-Creators, Phabricator, MediaWiki-Core-Team: Allow to search tasks about MediaWiki core and core only - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76942#842969 (10bd808) Can we just rename #mediawiki-general-or-unknown to #MediaWiki? [22:28:17] 3Phabricator, MediaWiki-Core-Team, Project-Creators, MediaWiki-General-or-Unknown: Allow to search tasks about MediaWiki core and core only - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76942#842982 (10Chad) Here's what I've been saying to do (in a couple of places on IRC already). The current MediaWiki-* tags are awful.... [22:28:41] 3Phabricator, MediaWiki-Core-Team, Project-Creators, MediaWiki-General-or-Unknown: Allow to search tasks about MediaWiki core and core only - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76942#842986 (10hashar) Once upon a time in Bugzilla we had a catch all component for Mediawiki: MediaWiki -> General-or-Unknown. #Med... [22:29:31] Krenair: yeah I see the same behavior. The dynamically loaded comments are missing some menu options [22:29:45] I get no menu options :/ [22:30:05] 3Phabricator, MediaWiki-Core-Team, Project-Creators, MediaWiki-General-or-Unknown: Allow to search tasks about MediaWiki core and core only - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76942#842988 (10Chad) >>! In T76942#842969, @bd808 wrote: > Can we just rename #mediawiki-general-or-unknown to #MediaWiki? In my plan... [22:36:38] stack traces known? http://paste.debian.net/136090/ [22:39:16] greg-g: there is a bug with sprint app for accessing board by name [22:39:19] suer numeric [22:39:36] Krenair: news to me although daniel said something similar but I don't think he narrowed it down to hidden history [22:39:42] maybe make ticket w/ details? [22:40:08] hashar: we can put it in a class scope sure [22:40:17] but I won't have time to monkey with it today or tomorrow [22:40:18] I have no idea about any details beyond what I've already said [22:40:26] just some screenshots etc [22:40:27] shall I make a ticket on our instance or upstream? [22:40:29] maybe try on more than one issue [22:40:41] 3Phabricator, Phabricator-Sprint-Extension: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/XXX/board/ times out - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78208#843000 (10Ricordisamoa) Thanks @Legoktm for merging my duplicate. [22:40:49] ^greg your issue [22:41:23] Krenair: this is a severe bug if so I wouldn't be bashful about going upstream first [22:41:46] chasemp: that can wait a few days :) the rspec stuff is far from being merged [22:42:38] chasemp: ty [22:43:29] twentyafterfour, so what do you see? [22:43:37] twentyafterfour, some restricted options I guess? [22:45:43] Krenair: Pretty sure I'm I seeoing the same thing as you are. If you'd like, I would suggest that you report this at https://secure.phabricator.org, I'm sure they would like to know about it [22:46:17] yes I was planning to [22:51:15] twentyafterfour, chasemp: Anything else I should add? https://gist.github.com/Krenair/aeaf71c4f584f45189a3 [22:51:42] (or change or whatever) [22:52:12] seems complete, maybe screenshot what it does look like even tho wrong [22:53:09] chasemp, there's nothing to see, I get no dropdown on the affected comments [22:53:17] sounds good then [22:53:24] Phabricator project? [22:53:51] yes, and maybe add Maniphest project [22:55:29] I think I should test this somewhere else instead of posting untested reproduction steps [22:55:42] we have a test instance in labs don't we? [23:02:51] not an up to date one [23:03:02] they have accounts in our phab they will be able to reproduce easily [23:03:52] ok, hopefully they don't try to use the example task I posted for it [23:05:50] chasemp, twentyafterfour https://secure.phabricator.com/T6736 [23:20:58] chasemp, twentyafterfour: bah, duped. fixed up upstream master apparently [23:21:33] wow we just pulled from upstream yesterday [23:21:46] er day before yesterday [23:22:20] yeah, the issue it was duped against was filed today [23:22:23] and fixed today [23:22:39] nice [23:44:55] 3Project-Management, Phabricator, Project-Creators, Triagers: Broaden the group of users that can create projects in Phabricator - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T706#843098 (10Qgil) >>! In T706#842621, @atgo wrote: > Could I also be added to Project-Creators? I am the scrum master + product owner of Fundrais...