[00:05:23] <^demon> You can leave comments on whole files now I believe. [00:06:19] yes, on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/50004/1/UiFeedback.php [00:06:29] not https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/50004/1/UiFeedback.alias.php [00:06:51] he's not listening [00:09:11] Wait, so he made his honours thesis dependant on us reviewing and deploying his code? [00:09:19] That sounds like a stupid decesion [00:10:21] All the \r are annoying me [00:10:38] 'version' => '0.00001',\r [00:10:43] * @version 0.2\r [00:10:44] gj [00:10:52] Windows linebreaks.. [00:11:30] Indeed [00:11:36] Long live svn:eol-style native [00:13:19] We should mention https://help.github.com/articles/dealing-with-line-endings somewhere [00:14:40] step 1: throw away Windows and never use it [00:14:56] :) [00:16:39] :D [00:17:40] You know, people always criticize linux because they want something that Just Works(tm) - but when it comes to git, it seems linux is the one that Just Works (tm) [00:18:29] git just works on my mac :) [00:18:39] git on windows works [00:18:46] git review however.. [00:19:13] git review works on windows [00:19:21] ... or at least it does for me [00:19:28] people seem to have problems setting up even just normal git on windows [00:19:41] (Not that I normally use it on windows!) [00:20:34] Free as in you're free to try and make it work yourself ;) [00:23:02] i've used git via github's windows package and via msysgit, seems ok generally… but i haven't used git-review on windows [01:01:30] Reedy, this guy is using nyan cat and ascii art text in his code, for his bachelor thesis... Those are the bits which amaze me, I can forgive not being aware of MediaWiki's API system [01:01:48] Really? [01:01:54] It's not like it's hidden or anything [01:01:58] Well. [01:01:59] Sort of. [01:02:12] https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mediawiki+api&aq=f&oq=mediawiki+api&aqs=chrome.0.57j60l3j0l2.2262&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 [01:02:15] googling is hard, I know [01:02:26] Okay fine, that's also amazing then :p [01:03:02] Also, to pass a degree, you don't necesserily need anything really to show [01:03:09] just bullshit about what you learnt, etc [01:04:24] particularly at the bachelor level [01:05:10] (or perhaps that's just me feeling like there is a lot of busy work keeping me very very busy but that is not that useful, in my current bachelor program ;) [01:05:26] so he could potentially get it regardless of this... although if it's dependent on deployment by wikimedia then almost certainly not at it's present state [01:06:01] That would be a very strange criteria [01:06:12] Completely outside his control [01:06:16] talk about a big risk [01:07:11] It's usually just about jumping through hoops [01:07:38] Yeah but it seems to be exactly what he's doing, assuming I'm reading his email correctly... [01:10:26] Does feel like wheel re-inventing too [01:12:06] Not to mention if he is planning to use data gathered from this extension in his thesis, even if it was deployed today, 2 weeks is not a long time to get the data and write it up [01:13:42] I'm guessing he's had no/little review from the wikidata guys too [01:31:23] New patchset: Krinkle; "JSHint: Upgrade from 0.9.1 to 1.1.0" [integration/jenkins] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53503 [01:31:37] Change merged: Krinkle; [integration/jenkins] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53503 [01:40:09] New patchset: Krinkle; "Sync: Commit deletion of jenkins job." [integration/jenkins] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53506 [01:40:31] New review: Krinkle; "That's what we have version control for :)" [integration/jenkins] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53506 [01:40:32] Change merged: Krinkle; [integration/jenkins] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53506 [02:03:24] New patchset: Krinkle; "Update and clarify some comments." [integration/zuul-config] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53509 [02:03:54] New patchset: Krinkle; "Update and clarify some comments." [integration/zuul-config] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53509 [02:04:03] Change merged: Krinkle; [integration/zuul-config] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53509 [04:26:22] New review: Hashar; "\O/" [integration/jenkins] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53503 [04:26:33] Krinkle: congrats on upgrading JSHint :] [04:27:12] Krinkle: if they ever release Release Candidates, we could use them to help test out their final releases [04:50:12] New patchset: Reedy; "Bug 42756 - Add labsconsole extensions to make-wmf-branch" [mediawiki/tools/release] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53519 [05:56:21] New patchset: Hashar; "(bug 31518) PHPUnit code coverage for mw/core" [integration/jenkins-job-builder-config] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53532 [06:20:29] New patchset: Krinkle; "Update files and add doc.wikimedia.org" [integration/docroot] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53533 [06:20:42] Change merged: Krinkle; [integration/docroot] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53533 [06:22:47] New patchset: Mwjames; "Add qunit job template for extensions" [integration/jenkins-job-builder-config] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53534 [06:22:52] New review: Krinkle; "Merging this as it works and is closest to status quo, we can improve it later." [integration/jenkins] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39212 [06:24:29] New patchset: Mwjames; "Add Qunit tests for Semantic Mediawiki" [integration/zuul-config] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53535 [06:25:58] New review: Krinkle; "I don't know what the problem is here. You keep bringing up some kind of problem with zuul's post fe..." [integration/jenkins-job-builder-config] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39210 [06:27:27] New review: Krinkle; "As mentioned on I67cf7405, I have no idea how that bug or the fetching of tags are relevant here. We..." [integration/zuul-config] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44384 [07:19:03] what was that magic comment that made jenkins re-run 2nd level review? The unit tests timed out for https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/53530 [07:19:25] "recheck" ? [07:24:15] New patchset: Hashar; "(bug 31518) PHPUnit code coverage for mw/core" [integration/jenkins-job-builder-config] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53532 [07:26:45] yurik: recheck only run the lint checks [07:27:02] hashar, what about unit tests? [07:27:08] yurik: if you want to retrigger the unit tests you need a new patchset :-/ [07:27:16] bleh! [07:27:41] not a big deal [07:27:48] you can skip them for that kind of change [07:27:54] they will be run before merge anyway [07:27:56] reviewing :-] [07:28:17] hashar, i changed commit message - easy enough, no need to do git-review :) [07:28:28] its recheking now [07:28:31] legoktm, thanks [07:28:46] yurik: oh did you ran the spell checker on comment only ? [07:28:47] np [07:29:10] hashar, i ran them on everything, but changed only comments & a few wfDebug() strings [07:29:14] * YuviPanda waves at hashar [07:29:31] oh, and a few docs [07:29:53] yurik: maybe we can add the spell checker as a jenkins job :-] [07:29:54] ... at least i hope so [07:30:01] hashar, unreal [07:30:06] too many custom words [07:30:12] i already have a dictionary of ~5000 [07:30:21] do [07:30:24] doh [07:30:28] * hashar waves at yurik [07:30:30] grrr [07:30:31] YuviPanda: [07:30:32] hehe [07:30:50] i do want to commit that monster list ~50KB to some dir in core [07:30:56] haha :D [07:31:04] this yurik confusion will keep happening I guess :) [07:31:25] phpstorm has a good integrated spellchecker [07:31:32] all it needs is an extra dict [07:31:43] YuviPanda, i just can't change it :D [07:31:50] yeah, me neither :D [07:31:57] but it's going to be fun :) [07:32:12] hashar: had time to play with the commons app after that? :) [07:32:13] yurik has been yurik since 2006 i think [07:32:25] hah, YuviPanda has been YuviPanda since before that1 [07:32:26] :D [07:32:29] YuviPanda: not at all. But I got a shinny new camera :-] [07:32:37] oooh, what camera? [07:33:28] some entry level canon DSLR. Canon EOS 650D (or in US Digital Rebel 4) [07:33:48] with a sigma 17-55 opening at 1/2.8 on all the focal range [07:34:11] YuviPanda, just checked - first edits around 20th of march, 2005 [07:34:17] can't claim anything earlier :) [07:34:35] hashar: ah, that's no entry level one :) [07:34:41] that's two levels better than mine [07:34:47] (1100D Is entry level) [07:34:50] but :) [07:34:56] yurik: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/53530/3/includes/api/ApiMove.php,unified -> replaced Exampel with Exxaammppllee [07:35:16] yurik: hmm, I started using YuviPanda on Yahoo Chatrooms, Programming:3 I think. [07:35:24] but that's okay, there's enough space for all of us :) [07:35:33] hashar, that's an api self documentation [07:35:39] so that's a comment too :D [07:36:48] still that looks wrong to me :] [07:36:51] hehe :) YuviPanda is definitly cooler name choice [07:36:58] because its more unique [07:37:09] there are other yuriks out there [07:37:09] yurik: what about: from=ExampleOldName&to=ExampleNew ? [07:37:41] i could i guess [07:38:21] hashar, sec, will recommit [07:39:36] hashar, take a look at the linker.php [07:39:38] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/53530/4/includes/Linker.php [07:39:54] line 684 is just wrong [07:40:13] yurik: well fix it in another commit :] [07:40:25] hashar, the thing is that i don't want to fix it [07:40:32] so don't fix it :-] [07:40:41] because i don't understand what the logic was behind it [07:40:42] I am not sure what else I can say hehe [07:41:16] its a clear that someone was trying to do some check there, but would need to figure out why [07:41:37] yurik: yeah in a different commit. One could use git blame to find out why it happened [07:41:48] maybe someone did a massive replace [07:41:59] some git-blame, others blame git! :P [07:42:08] for now just update the ApiMove example and I will be happy to merge the change :-] [07:42:20] * YuviPanda blames ori-l [07:42:37] probably appropriate [07:43:05] hashar, committing [07:44:51] 2b9c22deb3f7031892b3cbef70197c59a3709bc6 [07:45:00] by tpt [07:45:03] na [07:45:04] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/53530/5 [07:45:05] :-] [07:45:20] +2ed [07:45:29] hashar, thx [07:45:52] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/20683/ [07:45:55] this is the change [07:47:32] I guess it is an easy fix :-] [07:48:03] probably :) [07:48:12] just don't want to mess with the frontend side of things [07:50:43] New review: Hashar; "That will not work when a commit is tagged :-]" [integration/zuul-config] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44384 [08:38:03] saper: help! [08:38:14] or someone who knows about gerrit [09:35:36] New patchset: Hashar; "(bug 31518) PHPUnit code coverage for mw/core" [integration/jenkins-job-builder-config] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53532 [09:42:33] aude: do you still need help? hashar is online [09:42:37] in fact, he just helped me :) [09:45:16] aude: i am there :-] [09:57:55] hashar: think i figured it out sort of [09:58:18] it's not possible to amend a gerrit change that's been merged and then reverted [09:58:28] so i removed the change id and submitted it as a new patch [09:59:23] aude: yeah once it is merged, the change is closed :-] [09:59:50] yep [10:00:11] but at least i know how to submit it as a new patch now [10:03:33] annnd [10:03:36] I am off for a nap [13:22:22] hashar- The test "mediawiki-core-jslint" failed on a backport into wmf11 I did earlier (change 53561), for no particular reason considering that all the change did was update an extension. Seems odd. [13:25:19] <^demon> qchris: Did you see the new jgit landing in master? :) [13:27:15] <^demon> garbage collection and recursive merges and new bitmap optimizations, oh my :) [13:39:52] anomie: the jenkins console should give you some information :-] [13:41:28] hashar- Yes. It appears it compared the change in the wmf11 branch to some previous change in master. [13:41:48] Which seems an odd thing for it to expect to work. [13:44:01] anomie: compared? [13:44:46] ahh jshint [13:45:20] anomie: can you fill a bug mentioning the change issue and https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/mediawiki-core-jslint/3455/checkstyleResult/ [13:45:30] anomie: make sure Krinkle is in CC [13:45:34] hashar- ok [13:45:49] that seems to be an issue with the checkstyle plugin [13:46:16] hashar- Component? [13:46:17] or maybe jshint :-] [13:46:25] Wikimedia > Testing Infrastructure [13:46:41] that is the component for anything related to testing from Jenkins to Zuul and Jshint :-] [13:47:32] New patchset: Hashar; "Revert "trigger test pipeline for wikibase (non voting unit tests)"" [integration/zuul-config] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52766 [13:47:41] Change merged: Hashar; [integration/zuul-config] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52766 [13:52:30] hashar- bug 46066 filed [13:52:36] danke [13:56:12] hashar- I wonder if it will do the same if someone submits a patch to fix some jshint error, failing anything submitted after that until the fix patch is merged and everything else is rebased on top of it. [14:05:53] <^demon> Hmm, wonder if we can sneak a gerrit upgrade in Friday. [14:05:57] <^demon> If not, early next week. [14:06:08] ^demon: I read the message on the mailing list, but have not yet toyed with it (I am just rebasing project renaming) [14:06:30] <^demon> Yeah, I've seen it in action. [14:06:49] <^demon> I saw a presentation Dave gave on it back in like October. [14:06:55] Oh :-) [14:06:57] <^demon> I'm more excited about the bitmap work than anything else. [14:07:13] Is thta presentation available somewhere? [14:08:12] <^demon> I only know of a copy on google docs :p [14:08:15] <^demon> Lemme find the url [14:12:53] <^demon> Ah, here it is: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1t2qzSO4z5MbrN21Cz4RrLWz9IZ5ylJNwQassajKyPk8/view#slide=id.g3236f3d6_0_73 [14:13:51] * qchris takes a look [14:14:09] <^demon> So yeah, this plus jgit gc should help alleviate a lot of core's performance problems. [14:18:36] The numbers for the bitmap stuff look great. [14:19:17] So if that is stable too, I'll be all for updating gerrit soon :-) [14:19:39] <^demon> Yeah, that stuff's in jgit stable now, and gerrit master pulled it in. [14:19:51] <^demon> gerrit's wrapper for gc is still in progress. [14:19:52] That's what I've read as well :-) [14:19:57] <^demon> That's https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/#/c/32531/ [14:20:33] I read that patch this morning :-) [15:10:59] qgil: should we change the channel topic when the event starts later today? [15:11:20] chrismcmahon: ^ [15:31:04] zeljkof_, sure [15:36:13] The "Navigable TOC" idea in http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Babaco_ntoc_click.jpg - is that idea (and its bug reports) dead? [15:36:22] qgil: we'll be set up to stream a short presentation on youtube, yes? [15:36:33] chrismcmahon, yes [15:36:45] qgil: awesome, thanks [15:37:07] just checking: we are starting in about 1h30, right? [15:37:26] I'm sorry I won't be able to make it. I'm presenting at a GSoC info session [15:37:47] sumanah, you can still write a scenario later today / this week. :) [15:37:56] :) [15:38:26] sumanah, who organizes that info session, and is someone doing something similar in SF Bay? [15:38:52] qgil: some local Hunter College folks are organizing it, and I don't know whether anyone is doing a similar thing in the SFBay -- we could if we wanted [15:39:16] in fact we could simply repurpose our Wikipedia meetup in April and then email carol smith and she'd put it on the relevant calendar, send us stickers if we wanted, etc [15:39:44] sumanah, that is a good idea [15:40:15] a very good idea :) [15:40:16] I just forwarded you some info. [15:40:19] thanks! [15:42:46] also qgil yay at the attendance for http://www.meetup.com/Wikipedia-Engineering-Meetup/events/106078042/ [15:44:14] qgil: you might also enjoy reading http://www.icerocket.com/search?tab=twitter&lng=&q=wikipedia+lua&x=45&y=22 which is half in languages you speak & I do not [15:45:10] sumanah, Lua meetup attendance I'm looking forward: almost everybody signing up until now are NOT WMF employees. [15:45:45] YES [15:45:54] sumanah, I like this one: "Vivimos en la Generacion WTF: Wikipedia Twitter y Facebook!" :DDD [15:46:52] ha [15:46:54] :) [15:47:01] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Meetup_.26_videostreamtomorrow_-_focus_on_Lua [15:48:56] sumanah, thank you! [15:49:11] I've also posted at en.wikisource and am posting at en.wiktionary [15:55:18] qgil: it might actually be worth sending an announcement of this meetup to wikitech-l and/or mediawiki-l [15:55:29] I can forward it to wikitext-l which will interest certain people [15:55:52] sumanah, will do. After my email to Carol where you are CCed [15:56:18] okay! [15:56:27] ok, off I go to tell kids about GSoC [16:04:52] The "Navigable TOC" idea in http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Babaco_ntoc_click.jpg - is that idea (and its bug reports) dead? [16:37:45] Wikimedia Language Engineering team office hours in #wikimedia-office in about 20 minutes. [16:49:56] * qgil starts preparing the hangout / video stream. [16:50:09] My first time organizing video sream, let's see how it goes. [16:50:24] chrismcmahon, zeljkof be ready to receive invitations [16:50:40] qgil: ready :) [16:50:47] qgil: link for hangout I guess [16:51:07] I'll only go about 10 minutes or so, maybe a little longer [16:56:15] Wikimedia Language Engineering team office hours in #wikimedia-office in a few minutes. [17:00:05] qgil- Is there going to be an official IRC channel along with the YouTube stream for the Lua meetup tomorrow? [17:03:38] http://youtu.be/Kad3EUM4GdM [17:04:59] Hello browser testers! [17:05:04] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Browser_testing/Search_features [17:05:21] demo streaming right now at http://youtu.be/Kad3EUM4GdM [17:05:30] hi rachel99 ! [17:05:35] ok, thanks [17:06:28] hi everybody [17:06:33] we are live now! :) [17:06:59] check the channel topic for youtube stream [17:07:40] any questions so far? [17:08:38] hi sucheta ! http://youtu.be/Kad3EUM4GdM [17:10:42] qgil, Thanks. Watching :) [17:11:44] zeljkof: Yes, is it possible to participate sans YouTube? [17:12:00] Hi rihnapstor we are streaming right now: Writing scenarios for test automation http://youtu.be/Kad3EUM4GdM - more https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Browser_testing/Search_features [17:12:11] marktraceur: yes, of course, we can talk here [17:12:15] Cool beans. [17:12:23] I will drift in and out :) [17:12:24] marktraceur, YouTibe is for the video streaming now. You can ask questions and get involved. The rest will be done via IRC only. [17:12:37] marktraceur: we will set up a etherpad pad and collaborate there [17:12:57] the streaming will take no more tha 30 mins total [17:13:05] Cool, I'll be around then. [17:13:19] Hi ialex we are streaming right now: Writing scenarios for test automation http://youtu.be/Kad3EUM4GdM - more https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Browser_testing/Search_features [17:14:05] the backlog mentioned by chris can be found at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Browser_testing/Test_backlog [17:15:20] ok, streaming complete. Great pitch chrismcmahon ! [17:15:28] And now let's start with some work [17:16:12] Who wants to sart writing an scenario right now? [17:16:13] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Browser_testing/Search_features [17:16:35] qgil: how do we set up etherpad pad? [17:16:55] zeljkof, wait.,.. [17:17:10] Guys [17:17:12] :) [17:17:12] I'd like to do a regression test. When I put that page together, the "umlauts and accents" one is intriguing [17:17:28] because it's a bug too [17:17:41] rihnapstor: do you have questions? [17:17:41] zeljkof, http://etherpad.wmflabs.org/pad/p/Browser-automation [17:17:46] qgil: thanks [17:18:12] I'm curious about https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:QA/Browser_testing/Search_features#Scenario_for_transcluded_pages_search_at_Wikisources_25030 [17:18:24] it's not a Search case, but a case nevertheless, and proposed by someone else [17:18:45] I could try with that one or one based in a bug report you give me [17:19:24] should we draft in the etherpad and then move descriptions to the backlog once you decide they are good enough? [17:20:00] that sounds good [17:20:57] ok, can you give me a feature? [17:21:14] * qgil is ready for "My First Time" [17:21:18] I need some time to look at it more properly. Going through the wiki and the video once again [17:21:47] sucheta, so do I. If you want we can work together in one scenario. [17:22:16] qgil, Sounds great :) [17:22:26] I want! I want! [17:22:35] waiting for chrismcmahon zeljkof to give us one task. Unless you have a proposal sucheta [17:22:41] will be using agile scrum concepts here ? [17:23:20] rihnapstor: what do you mean by "agile scrum concepts"? :) [17:23:24] * valeriej will also be participating [17:23:33] valeriej, Yay! Hi :) [17:23:58] This will help me identify bugs that could add to the backlog as well. [17:24:00] qgil: do you need help with writing scenario for the case you have linked to a few minutes ago? [17:24:01] sucheta: Hi! [17:24:05] valeriej, rihnapstor: do you want to team for writing another scenario? [17:24:22] rihnapstor: sort of agile. if you choose a bug to write a test for, that test will be failing until the bug is fixed. if you choose existing functions to test, then that will be a regression test (we can use both kinds) [17:24:33] zeljkof, sucheta and me need one bug or a feature to write the corresponding scenario. Give us one please. [17:25:41] qgil: what about "search ignores user settings" [17:25:49] rachel99: hello, do you have a test that you would like to automate? or would you like guidance? [17:26:23] hi rachel99! (rachel99 has already contributed a Given/When/Then test to the backlog) [17:26:57] chrismcmahon, ok! sucheta let's give us some time to read https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37871 [17:27:25] chrismcmahon: Hi! [17:28:25] sucheta, valeriej, qgil and everybody else: the channel is a bit chaotic now, anybody needs help? [17:29:09] rachel99, Ryan_Lane: welcome! :) do you need help with writing your first scenario? [17:29:37] zeljkof, qgil and I are working on the bug you pointed us to. Also I am reading up the wikis related, first. [17:29:50] sucheta: great, let me know if you need any help [17:30:01] zeljkof, Sure :) [17:30:17] zeljkof: I guess I could work with someone else on a scenario, if you have an easier one. [17:30:27] zeljkof: I'm checking out bug 44811. rihnapstor can join if available. I think I'll watch the video again. [17:30:30] rachel99: they are all easy :) [17:30:38] fwiw, I think https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44238 is invalid [17:30:45] or fixed [17:30:57] rachel99: is there a feature of mediawiki or an extension that you use every day? [17:31:07] rachel99: it is a good place to start [17:32:22] DarTar: welcome :) do you need help writing your first scenario? (see this if you do not know what I am talking about: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Browser_testing/Search_features) [17:32:38] ok, so I have added the bug reports about user setting & search at the etherpad and also opened a window with sucheta not to bring too much noise to this room [17:34:27] so here is an interesting case: I think https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44238 because I think searching with "África", "AFRICA", and "Alto" all seem OK to me. I'd like someone else to check out searching with accents on ptwiki though to back me up. rachel99 maybe or valerij? [17:34:49] Yes, I could do that. [17:34:51] that is, I think !b 44238 is not a bug [17:35:04] !b 44238 [17:35:04] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44238 [17:35:08] there we go [17:35:18] so I'll be making a test along those lines [17:35:42] rachel99: let me know if you need help [17:36:20] qgil: I am not sure if I understood you, do you need help or were you just reporting on progress? [17:36:24] I guess a way to do this for us newcomers is to try to describe the feature in ery human"language and then pay more attention to the correct syntax, right? [17:36:48] zeljkof, just reporting progress (before) and asking a question right now ^^^ >) [17:37:20] Guys i am not famililar with medaiwiki notaions syntaxs. [17:37:23] qgil: yes, the first step is to write a story, like you are to write a bedtime story :) [17:37:46] qgil: when that is done, then we can work on given/when/then format [17:37:55] chrismcmahon: is this about search suggestions or after hitting enter? [17:38:00] rihnapstor: neither am I :) [17:38:15] Nikerabbit: either one [17:38:42] Nikerabbit: I would like to have some basic coverage of search features, and some tests for bugs likely to be fixed sooon [17:38:43] rihnapstor: what are you trying to do? are you writing scenarios? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Browser_testing/Search_features [17:39:33] chrismcmahon: I still get suggestions starting with "A" if I type "Ä" into search box in fiwiki (which is absolutely wrong), so accents stripping certainly isn't universally broken [17:40:38] to find that bug search Å in bugzilla [17:40:50] robla: welcome to increase the backlog event! :) do you need help? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Browser_testing/Search_features [17:40:55] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24414 [17:40:58] Nikerabbit, note that right here right now we are not triying to fix bugs, but write test automation scenarios for them - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Browser_testing/Search_features [17:40:59] Nikerabbit: I think that is https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24414 yes? We could either have a failing test for the fix for that, or we could write a passing test that would fail if we ever fix the bug [17:40:59] zeljkof: i referred to that link you previously tagged me in that message,i went through it ,but the content was not making sense to me.I am more into python,so probably it will take some time to get started with bug fixes. [17:41:39] so cool, my test is going to be for Portuguese Wikivoyage :-) [17:41:50] rihnapstor: the channel is pretty chaotic at the moment, I get lost from time to time [17:42:16] rihnapstor: we are writing scenarios for the backlog now: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Browser_testing/Search_features [17:42:54] rihnapstor: scenarios will be automated later, you do not need to know anything besides basic English to help [17:42:54] zeljkof: i referred to that link you previously tagged me in that message,i went through it ,but the content was not making sense to me.I am more into python,so probably it will take some time to get started with bug fixes. [17:43:34] rihnapstor: we are not fixing bugs now, we are writing scenarios for browser automation, would you like an example? [17:43:42] i am not failiar with browser testing concept [17:44:06] i know object-oriented php [17:44:11] rihnapstor: if it sounds interesting to you, I will be more than happy to explain it to you [17:44:48] rihnapstor: interested? [17:44:59] are scenarios the user stories or use cases ? [17:45:07] tewwy: welcome :) are you here for the event? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Browser_testing/Search_features [17:45:34] rihnapstor: what is the difference between user stories and use cases? [17:45:50] zeljkof: Stuck in a meeting :-( This looks far more interesting. [17:45:56] they are same zeljkof [17:45:58] :) [17:46:11] tewwy: let me know if you need help later :) [17:46:33] rihnapstor: we can talk on gtalk/skype/hangout, it could be faster [17:46:54] rihnapstor: would you like to pair on writing a scenario? http://etherpad.wmflabs.org/pad/p/Browser-automation [17:47:23] tewwy: we will be here for the next hour or two, and the entire week (and next week…) :) [17:47:47] aha, I just figured out why https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44238 is actually a bug. It sort of depends on what the definition of "ignore" is valeriej rachel99 [17:48:21] zeljkof: what about the ongoing project like integrating visual editor into medaiwiki? [17:48:39] rihnapstor: sure [17:48:39] chrismcmahon: not following you on that [17:49:00] rihnapstor: visual editor is a bit buggy, but definitely interesting [17:49:19] rachel99, one sec [17:49:29] rachel99: will put it in the etherpad... [17:49:35] rihnapstor: meet you at ether pad? http://etherpad.wmflabs.org/pad/p/Browser-automation [17:49:52] btw, zeljkof is this the developer channel for mediawiki also ? [17:50:12] medaiwiki powers wiki,so thats why i asked [17:50:36] rihnapstor: I think this is a bit broader channel, mediawiki developers hang at #mediawiki [17:51:10] dschoon: hi! :) are you here for the event? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Browser_testing/Search_features [17:51:49] I'll be listening :) I have a meeting in 10m, tho. [17:51:57] henrique__: hi there and welcome! :) here for the event? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Browser_testing/Search_features [17:54:01] rmoen, tfinc: welcome! :) here for the event? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Browser_testing/Search_features [17:54:08] rachel99: see the note on etherpad.... [17:54:13] COMMENT: the problem in this bug is that for example on https://pt.wikivoyage.org: Search for "África" and the result goes directly to the page for "África"Search for "Africa" (no accent) and the result shows "África" as the top result, but thinks that "Africa" is a redlink and encourages the user to create the page for "Africa" [17:54:45] chrismcmahon: Ok, I think I see that. [17:55:35] ah, so it is the reverse problem [17:55:55] anybody needs help in writing the first scenario? [17:56:02] (or the second, or the third...) [17:56:36] chrismcmahon: I think that's only part of the issue [17:57:08] because not all special characters in all languages are treated in the same way, according to comments on bug [17:58:25] zeljkof, at the etherpad sucheta and me have written the "bed-time story" about https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37871 , and now we are starting to write a proper scenario out of it [17:59:40] qgil: great! :) please add a line at the top of scenario qgil/sucheta so I know which one is yours and let me know if you need help [18:02:13] rihnapstor: I think we have a major misunderstanding :) are you here for "write a scenario" event, or are you looking for google summer of code project, or something else? [18:02:39] rihnapstor: this is the event we are in the middle of right now: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Browser_testing/Search_features [18:03:50] i am dreaming of wikipedia as a Saas platform . :) :) [18:04:52] Nemo_bis: is this short enough? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_message_delivery/Spam [18:04:58] zeljkof: Did that :) [18:05:25] sucheta: what did you do? :) [18:05:46] zeljkof, put her name at the etherpad [18:05:46] sucheta: (sorry, a lot of traffic at the moment, got a bit lost) [18:05:59] sucheta, qgil: I see, great :) [18:06:10] zeljkof, Yes. :) [18:06:55] zeljkof, sucheta and me have doubts on how to reference URLs and how specific to be e.g. only English Wikipedia or any Advanced Search, only User-namespace or any... [18:08:00] zeljkof, Also, I am wondering if we have to keep it as precise as possible. As I amfollowing the QA documentation that has been posted here few minutes back. [18:08:01] rachel99 valeriej I think I have my "search for accent" scenarios properly described now, and ready to turn them into Given/When/Then scenarios [18:08:25] sucheta: the more precise the better usually [18:08:30] chrismcmahon: Ok. I am following you on the etherpad. [18:08:43]