[00:00:46] <Reedy>	 I think it probably means it's somewhere near bedtime
[00:01:17] <TimStarling>	 git pull probably sets timestamps
[00:01:32] <TimStarling>	 and the conf cache is invalidated when the timestamp of InitialiseSettings.php is newer than the cache
[00:02:00] <TimStarling>	 so it's possible that the cache was updated, then InitialiseSettings.php was checked out with a timestamp before the timestamp on the conf cache
[00:02:31] <TimStarling>	 so I checked the timestamps, and InitialiseSettings.php was actually newer, so maybe it had been edited locally since the issue started
[00:02:51] <TimStarling>	 so running sync-common caused the timestamp on the file in /usr/local to be updated, even if there were no changes to the file
[00:02:59] <TimStarling>	 which would have invalidated the conf cache
[00:04:08] <TimStarling>	 on the User.php thing, I haven't been able to work out exactly why it happens or to reproduce it locally
[00:12:02] <TimStarling>	 here's an interesting thing: almost all the errors came from en.wikibooks.org
[00:12:30] <Reedy>	 Weird
[00:12:47] <TimStarling>	 well, one theory I have is that it is caused by an AbuseFilter rule
[00:16:03] <Reedy>	 hmm, they've only got 40 rules...
[00:19:33] <csteipp>	 Possible-- if AbuseFilter is blocking with the AbortAutoAccount
[00:20:27] <csteipp>	 Actually, TitleBlacklist is the one that blocks that
[00:23:47] <sumanah>	 hey Reedy - to change the IP cap for an editathon, I can just edit the InitialiseSettings.php  file and get that change merged, right? per  http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Increasing_Account_Creation_threshold and
[00:24:28] <Reedy>	 nope!
[00:24:31] <sumanah>	 damn
[00:24:32] <Reedy>	 https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=throttle.php
[00:24:32] <Dereckson>	 sumanah: there is a specialized files for that, throttle.php
[00:24:35] <Reedy>	 ^
[00:25:16] <sumanah>	 Reedy: ok, I will update http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Increasing_Account_Creation_threshold
[00:25:26] <sumanah>	 thanks Dereckson
[00:25:26] <Reedy>	 Thanks!
[00:25:35] <Reedy>	 with throttle.php it's even simpler
[00:25:44] <sumanah>	 so, I just submit a changeset to operations/mediawiki-config. / wmf-config / throttle.php right?
[00:25:49] <Reedy>	 copy paste the block $wmfThrottlingExceptions[] = array(
[00:25:54] <Reedy>	 yup
[00:26:01] <sumanah>	 (and get it reviewed and merged)
[00:26:09] <sumanah>	 can I get +2 on that repo just to do that sort of thing?
[00:26:38] <Reedy>	 +2 isn't a lot of use without shell access to deploy it..
[00:26:38] <csteipp>	 I really should write the extension to make throttle pull from a wiki page...
[00:26:58] <sumanah>	 Reedy: I can log into formey, does that count?
[00:27:22] <Reedy>	 csteipp: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Configuration_database
[00:27:31] <Reedy>	 sumanah: unfortunately not, needs access to fenari and deployment rights
[00:27:46] <csteipp>	 Or I'll let demon write it
[00:28:38] <sumanah>	 actually Dereckson can you edit http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/edit/Increasing_Account_Creation_threshold ? I'd get it wrong I think
[00:28:49] <sumanah>	 well, never mind, lemme try
[00:29:32] <Dereckson>	 I haven't access to wikitech.
[00:30:01] <sumanah>	 should you?
[00:30:25] <sumanah>	 you're editing the config files enough
[00:31:14] <Dereckson>	 Where have I to request that?
[00:32:27] <sumanah>	 Dereckson: I think I have to file an RT ticket to ask for that for you. I shall.
[00:35:17] <Reedy>	 Or just ask someone with 'crat or sysop on it
[00:35:32] <Reedy>	 For known users, access is fairly liberal
[00:35:47] <sumanah>	 Dereckson: is http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Increasing_Account_Creation_threshold right?
[00:36:48] <Dereckson>	 Yes. Maybe add IP and dbname could be either strings, either arrays.
[00:37:04] <Reedy>	 the second part of that can probably just be nuked
[00:37:24] <Reedy>	 it can be set via wgAccountCreationThrottle in InitialiseSettings.php, but all requests tend to have ups now
[00:37:37] <sumanah>	 Reedy: you wanna give Dereckson a login so he can just fix this?
[00:37:55] <Reedy>	 sure
[00:38:07] <sumanah>	 I don't have the relevant permission on wikitech.wm.o
[01:40:52] <daniel_renfro>	 I'm investigating software-testing solutions for my team and have some questions, if anyone is available for some newbie Q/A.
[01:44:18] <daniel_renfro>	 Specifically, is anyone doing work/currently using the Selenium classes in ./tests/selenium ?
[11:44:33] <Nemo_bis>	 307 open unreviewed commits, 122 in core :/
[12:44:48] <hashar>	 Nemo_bis: yeah too many projects, not enough reviewers :-D
[12:47:30] <Nemo_bis>	 maybe
[13:58:35] <^demon>	 MaxSem: Ping
[13:58:39] <MaxSem>	 pong
[13:59:03] <^demon>	 Hi. Is Solarium a new repo? It was on the "in svn" list but I couldn't find it
[13:59:24] <MaxSem>	 my bad, it's a new one
[13:59:41] <^demon>	 No worries. That's what I thought.
[13:59:46] <^demon>	 I'll get it setup today
[13:59:49] <MaxSem>	 thanks
[16:00:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Erik Zachte; "No comments beyond inline comments" [analytics/wikistats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28506
[16:02:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "ant: phpunit-all to run any phpunit test" [integration/jenkins] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28683
[16:04:35] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hashar; [integration/jenkins] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28683
[16:14:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Erik Zachte; "most comments are minor, disabling 'return' in SquidCountArchiveProcessLogRecord.pm " [analytics/wikistats] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28506
[16:29:02] <marktraceur>	 Channel, does it take a lot of time for labsconsole to update the SSH keys I add to it?
[16:41:14] <hashar>	 marktraceur: should be instant
[16:41:20] <hashar>	 anyway off for week-end
[16:41:20] <hashar>	 see you all!
[16:41:43] <marktraceur>	 Thanks hashar, I figured it out....forgot to change <labsconsole-user-name> to marktraceur.
[20:51:24] <andre__>	 gwicke, James_F|Away: Hi. There are 41 tickets with the "newparser" keyword in Wikimedia Bugzilla, and there is also a "Parsoid" product in Bugzilla.
[20:51:24] <andre__>	 It seems like the keyword is not really used recently (got added 4 times in the last 3 years). Does the Parsoid team sees any value in the keyword (is it somehow used), or if I can just delete it? Thanks
[20:52:14] <gwicke>	 andre__: we should probably have a look at those tickets at some point
[20:53:11] <gwicke>	 so preserving the information would be good
[21:06:48] <andre__>	 gwicke: okay, in that case I'll keep it for the time being in case you could turn "at some point" into something more specific ;)
[21:07:15] <andre__>	 we talk about 34 open tickets: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=newparser%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&list_id=153512&resolution=---&resolution=LATER
[21:09:31] <gwicke>	 andre__: I'd be fine with replacing the keyword with a tracker bug that simply lists these as dependencies
[21:09:54] <gwicke>	 something like 'checkout out old newparser bugs' in the Parsoid product with all these bugs as dependencies
[21:11:21] <andre__>	 gwicke, hmm, interesting idea. Right now I'm unsure if I want to trigger bugmail 35 times, but I think I like the idea. So maybe I'll go ahead and do that later on. Thanks!
[21:13:19] <gwicke>	 andre__: ok, thanks too ;)
[21:45:50] <kaldari>	 What's the site that shows a chart of all the Wikimedia db servers?
[21:46:57] <kaldari>	 binasher: ^
[21:47:23] <Krenair>	 kaldari, maybe you're thinking of ganglia?
[21:47:37] <kaldari>	 no, the node.js one
[21:47:52] <kaldari>	 that shows the slave tree
[21:48:00] <binasher>	 kaldari: http://noc.wikimedia.org/dbtree
[21:48:22] <kaldari>	 ah, that's it! thank you!
[21:55:39] <kaldari>	 binasher: I need to run a slightly expensive 1-time query against one of the slaves, but I haven't done this before. Is there any documentation I should look at or person I should have walk me through this?
[22:13:52] <Reedy>	 kaldari: process is slightly different. Just pick one of the nice and idle slaves in eqiad and use that ;)
[22:20:37] <binasher>	 kaldari: what reedy said :)
[22:21:01] <Reedy>	 though note, you can't use the "sql enwiki" shortcut
[22:21:05] <kaldari>	 Reedy: Tried mysql -h es1001.eqiad.wmnet from fenari, but get access denied. How should I be connecting to it?
[22:21:08] <binasher>	 kaldari: how do you normally run queries?
[22:21:15] <binasher>	 you can still you "sql"
[22:21:15] <binasher>	 like so:
[22:21:19] <binasher>	 sql enwiki -h db1001
[22:21:29] <Reedy>	 oh, that works?
[22:21:29] <Reedy>	 lol
[22:21:29] <binasher>	 yup :)
[22:21:33] <kaldari>	 thanks!
[22:21:38] <Reedy>	 kaldari: chances are you don't want an es box.. maybe.
[22:21:59] <kaldari>	 ok, I'll look around and find a nice quiet one :)
[22:22:13] <binasher>	 kaldari: what is the query?
[22:22:16] <kaldari>	 SELECT count(*) from article_feedback_pages WHERE aap_total > 1000000000;
[22:22:29] <kaldari>	 table has a lot of rows I imagine
[22:22:56] <binasher>	 if enwiki, db1001 is a good choice right now.. note db not es
[22:23:03] <kaldari>	 ok
[22:23:11] <binasher>	 es = external store
[22:23:26] <kaldari>	 ah, another nice tidbit ;)
[22:25:38] <Reedy>	 These are not the MySQL servers you are looking for...
[22:26:41] <kaldari>	 wasn't too bad: 1 minute 0 seconds
[22:27:01] <Reedy>	 haha
[22:29:40] <csteipp>	 Hey Reedy: Can I get help with deploying extensions in beta?
[22:31:10] <Reedy>	 Sure... It's ages since I did anything at all on beta though..
[22:32:03] <csteipp>	 Hopefully it's not beta specific... But enwiki is configured to use the PostEdit extension
[22:32:12] <csteipp>	 But on beta, it's just an empty folder
[22:32:18] <csteipp>	 And there's no .git in it
[22:32:46] <csteipp>	 But, I tried git submodule add "https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit.git" PostEdit, and it said 'PostEdit' already exists in the index
[22:33:16] <csteipp>	 Any idea how I can get git to load the submodule?
[22:33:16] <Reedy>	 rm -rf extensions/PostEdit && git pull && git submodule update PostEdit
[22:33:16] <Reedy>	 ?
[22:34:01] <csteipp>	 Submodule path 'PostEdit' not initialized
[22:34:01] <csteipp>	 Maybe you want to use 'update --init'?
[22:34:45] <Reedy>	 that sounds sensible
[22:35:24] <csteipp>	 Ah, cool!
[22:35:49] <csteipp>	 yay! it's back up...
[22:38:55] <robla>	 Reedy: what're you doing working at 11:30p on a Friday night?  :)
[22:39:33] <robla>	 yes, I know Reedybot is 24x7, but still....
[22:40:05] * robla  was going to bring up something work-related with him, and then realized just what time it was there

[22:41:15] <Reedy>	 Haha
[22:41:17] <Reedy>	 A mixture of "nothing better to do"
[22:41:22] <AaronSchulz>	 meh, you could do worse
[22:41:29] <Reedy>	 And the fact I've not been working for most of today ;)
[22:43:25] <robla>	 AaronSchulz: not only could he, but he does routinely  :)
[22:43:39] <Reedy>	 Looks like I've got a couple of emails I should probably deal with tonight
[22:44:09] <robla>	 Reedy: that last one I sent you doesn't need to be one of them
[22:45:29] <Reedy>	 I've got one from Philippe
[22:46:03] <robla>	 Could you forward that to me?
[22:46:32] <robla>	 if it's urgent, may be better to handle here, esp. given it's still sane working hours here
[22:47:01] <robla>	 Reedy: ^
[22:47:45] <Reedy>	 It's not a request like that. I used my account for a load of copyright violation deletions, and I don't actually state anywhere that I'm staff
[22:47:46] <Reedy>	 Though, I'm on http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AGlobalUsers&username=&group=Staff&limit=50 ;)
[22:47:59] <robla>	 ah
[22:48:15] <robla>	 yeah, can't delegate that kind of thing :)
[22:48:45] <Reedy>	 Not to self, for next deletion use rand() account
[22:54:46] <csteipp>	 Hey Reedy: is there a reason I shouldn't do this? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/28774/
[22:55:26] <Reedy>	 The ..? Or the actual requires?
[22:55:41] <csteipp>	 The ../GeoMath
[22:55:55] <Reedy>	 We tend to usually end up using dirname( dirname( __FILE__ ) ), though, dirname( __DIR__ ) would be ok now...
[22:55:58] <csteipp>	 I think it's just expecting to use that extension... but I wasn't sure if you added the TODO
[22:56:41] <Reedy>	 Ah, I think I did
[22:56:53] <Reedy>	 Wasn't sure if it really needed to be a seperate extension
[22:57:08] <csteipp>	 Yeah, we really don't. Let me just remove them
[22:59:09] <csteipp>	 Oh, wait... I see what you mean...