[00:43:13] <TimStarling>	 maybe PHP should have a wall clock time limit instead of just a CPU limit
[00:43:56] <TimStarling>	 it's a bit silly that you can hang all processes forever by making swift requests with inappropriate timeouts
[00:45:13] <vvv>	 wall clock is a real-world time, right?
[00:45:28] <AaronSchulz>	 yes
[00:45:42] <TimStarling>	 it's the kind of time that the clock on the wall shows
[00:46:16] <AaronSchulz>	 perhaps you had that one coming :)
[00:59:44] <TimStarling>	 AaronSchulz: it looks like SwiftCloudFiles doesn't set CURLOPT_TIMEOUT at all
[00:59:56] <AaronSchulz>	 I thought it used 10
[01:00:00] <AaronSchulz>	 or at least tried to
[01:00:10] <TimStarling>	 that's CURLOPT_CONNECTTIMEOUT
[01:00:19] <AaronSchulz>	 oh, I see
[01:00:35] <TimStarling>	 it partly makes sense, a large file might take a long time to upload
[01:01:13] <TimStarling>	 "Default timeout is 0 (zero) which means it never times out. "
[01:02:49] <TimStarling>	 and I don't think there is any limit in mod_php
[01:03:29] <TimStarling>	 so a request could keep running for months, as long as the TCP connection is held open
[01:32:12] <sumanah>	 Eloquence: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Sharihareswara_%28WMF%29/Drafting_1.21wmf2_spam#Site_changes_coming_-_Please_notice_and_report_problems
[04:38:37] <liangent>	 huh VE broken somehow?
[09:13:30] <hashar>	 hello
[11:35:31] <liangent>	 let me ask it here: VisualEditor doesn't load for me now
[11:35:34] <liangent>	 on mw.org
[12:30:45] <Reedy>	 You'll have to wait for the VE team later today
[16:13:05] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 hey ^demon!
[16:13:15] <^demon>	 Howdy
[16:13:28] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 ^demon: will you be working on the wikidata setup? or will Reedy by doing that?
[16:13:37] <^demon>	 He and I are working together on it
[16:13:43] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 ok, cool
[16:13:56] <^demon>	 We've already got a todo list we're working our way through :)
[16:13:59] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 let me know if there's anything missing. i'll be online today for at least two more hours.
[16:14:14] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 do you think it will be up tomorrow?
[16:14:34] <^demon>	 Maybe by late tomorrow. Still waiting on some ops tasks (DNS & the like)
[16:14:56] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 late tomorrow in the US is not tomorrow for me ;)
[16:16:12] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 ^demon, Reedy: thanks guys! I hope you are having fun setting up the first new projects in what, 6 years?
[16:16:42] <^demon>	 Yeah. Had to make a list of all the things that need doing. It's been awhile :)
[16:16:52] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 :)
[16:17:05] <^demon>	 And we're going to be repeating it soon-ish for Wikivoyage (assuming that name sticks)
[16:17:09] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 publish it. someone will need it for wikivoyage
[16:17:21] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 indeed
[17:21:03] <MaxSem>	 Nikerabbit, what do you think about creating a shared copy of Solarium?
[18:14:54] <Nikerabbit>	 MaxSem: it should be installed by puppet
[18:15:14] <MaxSem>	 Nikerabbit, Solarium, not Solr
[18:15:25] <Nikerabbit>	 MaxSem: yes, that too
[18:15:52] <Nikerabbit>	 if that is not possible, extension maybe?
[18:16:58] <MaxSem>	 well, Translate holds a copy of it, and GeoData is going too
[18:17:29] <MaxSem>	 so my point was to create a shared extension to avoid duplication
[18:31:08] <Nikerabbit>	 MaxSem: what I said
[23:56:29] <kaldari>	 chrismcmahon: why are most of the config var names in InitialiseSettings-wmflabs.php (but not all of them) preceded with a hyphen? They aren't in the regular InitialiseSettings.php.
[23:56:58] <kaldari>	 like '-wmgUsePoolCounter' instead of 'wmgUsePoolCounter'
[23:57:23] <kaldari>	 what's the hyphen for?
[23:58:29] <kaldari>	 sorry guess I should say the config key name, not var name