[02:12:45] <Krinkle>	 spagewmf: You still at the office? Is Robla there?
[02:15:09] <Reedy>	 Krinkle: he is, but he's leaving soon
[02:15:14] <Reedy>	 not at his desk atm
[02:15:20] <Krinkle>	 Can you ask him to join for just a minute?
[02:15:25] <Krinkle>	 (later maybe)
[02:22:40] <spagewmf>	 Krinkle, heya I'm here.
[12:06:14] <KikiSti>	 hello
[12:08:03] <KikiSti>	 Is there any developer availiable to ask some questions?
[12:34:11] <petan>	 KikiSti hi
[12:34:15] <petan>	 depends
[12:34:21] <petan>	 just ask
[13:06:19] <KikiSti>	 Nothing to do though with wiki, is a question that I believe only a developer can answer
[13:06:51] <petan>	 ok can you just ask :P
[13:06:53] <KikiSti>	 May I ask even if it has nothing to do with wiki?
[13:06:57] <KikiSti>	 yes
[13:06:58] <petan>	 yes, ask please
[13:07:00] <KikiSti>	 :)
[13:07:40] <KikiSti>	 I want to make a site with a database and I dont know the stracture and I am wondering if some CMS like drupal and joomla can handle so big databases
[13:08:07] <petan>	 that depends on database software
[13:08:19] <KikiSti>	 the thing is that i will have people with no computer knowledge to enter data to the site
[13:08:31] <petan>	 wikipedia is pretty big and mysql is still enough
[13:08:46] <KikiSti>	 thats what I wanted to conclude
[13:09:04] <KikiSti>	 I will link mysql with an html site?
[13:09:21] <KikiSti>	 can I link mysql with a drupal site?
[13:09:23] <petan>	 eh, I don't know what you mean
[13:09:33] <KikiSti>	 I am confused
[13:09:34] <KikiSti>	 :)
[13:09:35] <petan>	 in fact I have no experience with drupal at all
[13:10:00] <petan>	 you should read this information in manual of that software
[13:10:21] <KikiSti>	 shall I tell you exactly what I need to make? and you give some kind of advice?
[13:10:26] <petan>	 I know joomla and wordpress
[13:10:30] <petan>	 both run on mysql well
[13:10:40] <KikiSti>	 Drupal is kind of joomla
[13:10:45] <petan>	 hm
[13:11:46] <KikiSti>	 but I have a question, if I have people that dont have knowlegde to enter stuff in the database, thats not easy with joomla
[13:12:14] <KikiSti>	 for example my father only knows how to open the internet browser, and he will enter data in to the database
[13:12:36] <petan>	 that's how mediawiki works
[13:13:12] <KikiSti>	 a site that I know with hotels that my sister used to work there they have a programm called Samba and they enter the data and pictures there and they just press the upload
[13:13:45] <petan>	 hmm
[13:13:52] <petan>	 I don't know
[13:13:52] <KikiSti>	 Can you eplain me how the backend conects with the front end? I am really confused
[13:14:01] <petan>	 in mediawiki?
[13:14:11] <KikiSti>	 generally in a site with a database
[13:14:34] <petan>	 there is mysql server running somewhere and web server which executes php
[13:14:52] <petan>	 the interpretor of php connect to mysql
[13:15:10] <petan>	 so the connection to database is done from web server, not client who uses browser
[13:15:28] <KikiSti>	 I somehow understand this
[13:15:59] <KikiSti>	 so if I make a site in joomla or dotnetnuke or drupal the database will be on server I will not have to create the database
[13:16:18] <KikiSti>	 I will only create the fealds from the programms interface
[13:16:21] <KikiSti>	 righ?
[13:16:23] <KikiSti>	 right?
[13:16:58] <petan>	 depends
[13:17:12] <petan>	 if you install it from scratch you will probably need to create everything
[13:17:27] <petan>	 the database is usually created by software
[13:17:35] <petan>	 you just need to have an account on DB server
[13:17:42] <petan>	 with privileges to create database
[13:17:59] <KikiSti>	 can joomla handle huge databases?
[13:18:06] <petan>	 I don't know
[13:18:13] <petan>	 you should ask joomla developers :)
[13:18:26] <petan>	 I have almost no idea how it's designed
[13:18:30] <petan>	 it depends on many things
[13:18:59] <petan>	 large databases need to use indexing properly
[13:19:10] <petan>	 searching would be problem in large database
[13:19:12] <KikiSti>	 I have ask some people and those that I asked told me to stop with the site that I want to make because I will fail
[13:19:18] <KikiSti>	 thats why I came here
[13:19:23] <petan>	 but "static" data can be stored in some squid like cache server
[13:20:07] <petan>	 I can't tell you if site you want to create will fail or not, I don't even know what is it going to be, I just know some wikimedia related stuff :P
[13:20:30] <petan>	 in fact I don't think this is correct channel for this :D
[13:20:41] <petan>	 there are some php devs in #php
[13:20:47] <petan>	 maybe they would know more
[13:21:11] <KikiSti>	 you are very sweet petan , I really thank you for your time I will go there
[13:21:17] <petan>	 heh
[13:21:24] <KikiSti>	 I will search if there is a joomla channel also
[13:21:26] <petan>	 no prob
[13:21:28] <KikiSti>	 really thank you
[13:21:51] <petan>	 maybe they would tell you in #freenode, or just try #joomla
[13:22:35] <KikiSti>	 ok I will go there and ask them after I come back from work
[13:22:39] <KikiSti>	 tnx again
[17:28:21] <brion>	 tech staffffffff
[17:28:37] <Nemo_bis>	 ou
[17:29:23] <brion>	 ok this network sucks :)
[17:31:32] <Krinkle>	 wmf tech days: retreat, massages, drink milk out of coconuts, pineapple tree wind. no ?
[21:04:38] <brion>	 http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/MediaWikiFoundation <- notes for mediawiki 3rd party support discussion
[21:04:40] <brion>	 please add
[21:04:42] <brion>	 notes
[21:35:57] <mmovchin>	 hey, any bugzilla admin here?
[21:36:09] <mmovchin>	 hey, any bugzilla admin here?
[21:36:22] <Reedy>	 you shouldn't repeat your question after 14 seconds
[21:36:37] <mmovchin>	 oh, sorry