[00:00:31] <Ryan_Lane>	 done
[00:00:35] <Platonides>	 you can't edit a ldap passwd with sed :P
[00:00:36] <Reedy>	 yay
[00:00:40] <Reedy>	 mwalker: ^ try now
[00:00:44] <Ryan_Lane>	 for the love of god, let's kill off svn
[00:00:49] <Danny_B|backup>	 NotDemonSsshhh: you have to http://www.helpbytes.co.uk/images/mess6/smileys/77.gif first
[00:00:50] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 Workin' on it.
[00:00:53] <Reedy>	 and send alcohol/sweets/other bribes to Ryan
[00:01:10] <awight>	 Ryan_Lane: it's part of our masochistic rituals
[00:01:36] <K4-713>	 We have a lot of those in fr-tech.
[00:01:37] <Platonides>	 man 1 ldapmodify
[00:01:40] <Ryan_Lane>	 it's distracting me from fixing things :(
[00:02:39] <K4-713>	 I think I know the feeling.
[00:03:25] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 Ryan_Lane: Maybe we could just shut it off and see if anyone notices? ;-)
[00:03:57] <sumanah>	 stop it, you're gonna drive Katie to drink (more)
[00:04:25] * K4-713  runs back in the building just to jump out the window again

[00:04:44] * pgehres  tries to find the firemen with the trampoline 

[00:05:44] <mwalker>	 Ryan_Lane: Platonides Reedy: yay! it works!
[00:05:48] <mwalker>	 thanks ever so much!
[00:06:48] <K4-713>	 WOO! Yes. All the Thank You.
[00:06:57] <sumanah>	 yay!
[00:07:08] * werdna  reads scrollback

[00:07:09] <sumanah>	 ok, docs to add to http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Svn.wikimedia.org#Add_users ?
[00:07:17] <werdna>	 pgehres told me there were things that embarrassed K4-713
[00:07:21] <Reedy>	 "Doing this will make Ryan and Chad cry"
[00:07:28] <pgehres>	 i said nothing of thhe sort
[00:08:36] <K4-713>	 Someday, that page is just going to say "Don't", isn't it?
[00:09:00] <Reedy>	 "What's svn?"
[00:09:00] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 We could put a warning at the top.
[00:09:16] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 "You probably don't want this, git is WAY COOLER. If you're really freakin' sure, read on..."
[00:09:40] <sumanah>	 heh
[00:10:09] <sumanah>	 but more seriously, that's the page I consult when I'm dealing with this kind of request, and some kind of boiled down "what to do if they already have a git account" thing would be very useful for me
[00:10:27] <Reedy>	 modify-ldap-user --gid=550 mwalker
[00:10:50] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 Do we have transwiki importing turned on for labsconsole yet?
[00:11:00] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 The process of merging those two wikis should get started at some point :)
[00:11:25] <sumanah>	 NotDemonSsshhh: I think Guillaume is waiting on about 30 minutes of doc assessment work from wikitech.wikimedia.org experts
[00:11:38] <Reedy>	 See bug 1.
[00:11:55] <marktraceur>	 sumanah: /whois NotDemonSsshhh
[00:12:01] <marktraceur>	 Damn it IRC
[00:12:11] * Reedy  pets marktraceur

[00:12:22] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 Oh man, I've been found.
[00:12:25] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 The jig's up.
[00:12:31] <marktraceur>	 NotDemonSsshhh: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=wikimedia/orgchart.git;a=summary still points to the wrong place
[00:12:38] <marktraceur>	 (figured you should know)
[00:12:39] <sumanah>	 Bug 1 is descriptive, not prescriptive.
[00:12:49] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 marktraceur: Yes, because I haven't done anything about it yet.
[00:13:00] <marktraceur>	 *nod* noted, thought I'd ping you
[00:13:21] <marktraceur>	 Carry on with stealth
[00:15:28] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 marktraceur: Get Ryan_Lane to run `cd /var/lib/gerrit2/review_site/git/wikimedia/orgchart.git && git symbolic-ref HEAD refs/heads/master` :)
[00:15:43] <marktraceur>	 Ryan_Lane: Run that please ^^
[00:16:02] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 I can't, or I would.
[00:16:26] <marktraceur>	 NotDemonSsshhh: Your help is much appreciated
[00:16:39] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 yw.
[00:20:38] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 marktraceur: There's an open bug about "make it possible to change what HEAD points to from the GUI"
[00:20:43] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 Would be nice.
[00:21:08] <marktraceur>	 NotDemonSsshhh: On our bugzilla, or upstream?
[00:21:19] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 upstream.
[00:21:47] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 http://code.google.com/p/gerrit/issues/detail?id=562
[00:22:20] <marktraceur>	 Yes, that would be nice
[00:22:25] <marktraceur>	 For many different reasons
[00:23:18] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 The first being when someone messes up creating a repo and accidentally makes it a "permissions only" repo so it ends up pointing to refs/meta/config.
[00:23:26] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 The second being "sometimes master isn't in charge" :)
[00:23:51] <marktraceur>	 True that
[00:24:16] <marktraceur>	 "I'm opposed to slavery, man, so I renamed all my branches 'equal'"
[00:24:28] <marktraceur>	 "I lost a bunch of work, but totally worth it maaaaan"
[00:24:56] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 2.5 needs to branch. Like now.
[00:31:03] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: NotDemonSsshhh: TimStarling: while I am away on vacation, can I ask one of you to substitute for me in checking the SVN commit access queue every few days and fulfilling requests? it's about 1 a week these days
[00:31:21] <Ryan_Lane>	 I can't
[00:31:27] <sumanah>	 ok
[00:31:38] <Ryan_Lane>	 I've weeks behind on projects because I constantly get interrupted
[00:31:51] <TimStarling>	 what sort of requests are they?
[00:31:51] <sumanah>	 ok, not you then, no prob
[00:31:54] <Ryan_Lane>	 when I catch up, I'll be happy to help out with things sgain
[00:32:17] <sumanah>	 TimStarling: Fundraising team or pywikipedia people, usually, asking for commit access, or extensions authors needing ssh key replacements
[00:32:29] <sumanah>	 I'm mostly offline tomorrow through August 15th
[00:32:38] <TimStarling>	 ok, I guess I can manage that
[00:33:01] <sumanah>	 ok, thank you TimStarling, I appreciate it. Trying to spread the load a bit; other folks are running the git commit access queues, gerrit project ownership stuff, GSoC, etc
[00:33:44] <marktraceur>	 sumanah: Have a good vacation!
[00:34:05] <marktraceur>	 Ryan_Lane: Did you get the pings above?
[00:34:07] <sumanah>	 thank you marktraceur! I hope to.  More greenery, less screenery
[00:34:13] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: Have a lot of fun, and good luck
[00:34:20] <Ryan_Lane>	 I'm ignoring the world as best as possible
[00:34:21] <Ryan_Lane>	 so, no
[00:34:22] * marktraceur  anxiously awaits that rap song

[00:34:37] <sumanah>	 Thank you RoanKattouw!  (:
[00:35:05] <marktraceur>	 Ryan_Lane: Is there any way I can prevail upon you to add it to your todo list?
[00:36:24] <Ryan_Lane>	 marktraceur: if you want ops to do things, you really need to add an rt ticket
[00:36:36] <Ryan_Lane>	 I will never remember that, and I'm in the middle of a billion things right no
[00:36:38] <Ryan_Lane>	 *now
[00:37:10] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 Oooh, you know..."Changing the HEAD" would be an easy SSH plugin to write for 2.5
[00:37:18] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 I just found an after-dinner project tonight :)
[00:37:20] <marktraceur>	 Ryan_Lane: I don't have an account with RT. This is markedly unhelpful....
[00:37:31] <Ryan_Lane>	 are you staff?
[00:37:31] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 I'll file it.
[00:37:40] <marktraceur>	 Ryan_Lane: Contractor
[00:37:44] <Ryan_Lane>	 if you are, then you should have an rt account requested
[00:37:46] <Ryan_Lane>	 same same
[00:38:05] <Ryan_Lane>	 marktraceur: helpful or not, everyone asks me for things, which means I never get work done
[00:38:19] <Ryan_Lane>	 I need to be able to schedule my time too. rt helps ops do that
[00:38:51] <marktraceur>	 Ryan_Lane: Noted. Who should I ask about getting an RT account? If it's someone on the ops team I assume I can safely give up
[00:39:04] <Ryan_Lane>	 your manager
[00:39:16] <marktraceur>	 *nod* thanks
[00:41:31] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 Ryan_Lane: Filed rt #3337, cc'd you on it.
[01:25:29] <NotDemonSsshhh>	 marktraceur: Took less than an hour, and like 95 LOC. Now have a plugin for 2.5 that will let us shift HEAD :)
[03:52:08] <marktraceur>	 ^demon|zzz: Ten thousand points for being awesome!
[03:52:33] <marktraceur>	 "Welcome to #wikimedia-dev, where everything's made up and the points don't matter"
[03:53:20] <Amgine>	 It's not the points, it's the spread.
[03:54:31] <marktraceur>	 Amgine: Fifty points for adding to the confusing rules of this non-game
[03:55:11] <Amgine>	 <bets on tfinc, apergos, and <dithers> gwicke> all to show.
[04:16:24] <apergos>	 Amgine: to show what?
[04:16:46] <Amgine>	 in the winners circle (1st, 2nd, or 3rd)
[04:17:42] <apergos>	 we're not really doing so much racing around here... too warm :-P
[04:18:02] <ori-l>	 i'd like to parametrize certain values for an extension and make them configurable (say, through a special page). what's the best place to store dynamic, persistent data? a protected article containing JSON data?
[04:18:52] <Amgine>	 Who said racing? it might be: consuming the largest number of daquaris on the cabana. I mauled that drink's name, didn't I?
[04:19:29] <ori-l>	 Brooke: ^^ i figure you'd know
[04:20:44] <Amgine>	 ori-l: file, or database.
[04:22:01] <marktraceur>	 Amgine: Diquiri
[04:22:06] <marktraceur>	 Daiquiri*
[04:22:20] <Amgine>	 Had a couple, eh?
[04:22:20] <ori-l>	 Amgine: storing it in the database would be nice; the entire thing could probably fit in <100 characters. is there some underspecified odds-and-ends column that could be used for this? it doesn't seem right to create a table for something this small.
[04:22:57] <Amgine>	 Then use a file, ori-l. You're talking about configuration settings, neh?
[04:23:05] <ori-l>	 Amgine: yeah
[04:24:15] <Brooke>	 ori-l: page_props table?
[04:24:17] <Amgine>	 php's parse_ini is marvelously secure, unlike (for example) LocalSettings.php. I have a singleton class if you'd like.
[04:24:17] <Amgine>	 \
[04:24:34] <ori-l>	 Brooke: thanks, i'll take a look
[04:24:37] <ori-l>	 Amgine: that would be splendid
[04:24:48] <Brooke>	 ori-l: Though Special pages don't typically have page IDs (besides -1).
[04:24:53] <Brooke>	 Or -2 or whatever it is.
[04:25:05] <Brooke>	 I was going to suggest memcached, but it sounds you want something more persistent.
[04:25:13] <Brooke>	 You can also abuse the MediaWiki namespace for configuration.
[04:25:17] <Amgine>	 http://paste.kizmut.com/13 <- uses default.ini as a template.
[04:25:19] <Brooke>	 People love that.
[04:26:23] <ori-l>	 Brooke: what's the proper namespace?
[04:26:33] <Amgine>	 I'm being dragged afk for a hot cribbage match. bbiab.
[04:26:39] <ori-l>	 Amgine: this looks neat, thanks
[04:27:31] <Amgine>	 It's small, it's fast, it's simple.
[04:27:55] <ori-l>	 Amgine: i think i'm going to use it
[04:29:32] <Brooke>	 ori-l: There isn't one, really.
[04:29:40] <Brooke>	 Lots of extensions use MediaWiki.
[04:29:50] <Brooke>	 Some use Special page and its architecture. Depends if you need page history, mostly.
[04:34:03] <ori-l>	 Brooke: cool, thanks
[05:37:49] <Amgine>	 <or not> bruised and battered, I retire from the lists.
[07:21:21] <hashar>	 good morning
[14:55:02] <MikeOscar>	 Please msg me if you're familiar with Google Apps - I need help!
[15:24:00] <^demon>	 marktraceur: Got my plugin upstreamed already :) https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/#/c/37030/
[15:25:57] <marktraceur>	 ^demon: Like a boss! Hopefully it'll be part of the next version, then?
[15:26:18] <^demon>	 Yeah when 2.5 goes final :)
[15:26:51] <^demon>	 The way I wrote it, the "Owner" of a repo can run this on their own repos.
[15:26:55] <^demon>	 So no admin intervention required.
[15:31:51] <^demon>	 2.5 is waiting on just a couple of last fixes to get in, then they want to start the release cycle.
[15:39:03] <^demon>	 ooh yay, "Search suggestions" is on the shortlist of "things to fix before branching"
[15:39:04] <^demon>	 :D
[16:28:42] <Platonides>	 git storage by default is really inefficient
[16:28:55] <Platonides>	 56M -> 6.6M in CentralAuth after a full repack
[17:00:06] <marktraceur>	 ^demon|away: Re: Gerrit 2.5, will the search get better in other ways, too? Searching for file regexes, for example, would be roughly |              this many            | awesome
[17:00:38] <^demon|away>	 Regexes are already available for a couple of fields (projects comes to mind offhand)
[17:00:46] <^demon|away>	 I don't know of anything specific in 2.5 there though
[17:01:19] <marktraceur>	 ^demon|away: File regexes already exist, but only for watched projects (i.e., watch this project but ONLY IF *.js changes)
[17:02:03] <^demon|away>	 Right, known issue.
[17:02:21] <^demon|away>	 Tangentially related to some other work I'm doing.
[17:04:04] <marktraceur>	 ^demon|away: I figured :) carry on, I was just restating, I suppose
[17:05:30] <^demon>	 It's ok. I like talking about upstream :)
[17:12:02] <marktraceur>	 ^demon: That's good, I hear the salmon season might be pretty good this year (bahdum-tss)
[17:12:37] <^demon>	 I want seafood now.
[17:50:57] <spagewmf>	 Any strong recommendations for an advanced JavaScript book (closures, prototypes, promises, workers, etc.)? I'm leaning towards the O'Reilly "JavaScript Patterns" by Stoyan Stefanov, but there's the black&yellow "Pro JavaScript Design Patterns (Recipes: a Problem-Solution Approach".
[17:51:42] <spagewmf>	 (I've read "JavaScript: the Good Parts" by Crockford, and an early edition of the O'Reilly definitive guide.)
[18:11:09] <Krenair>	 It seems that the threshold votes for confirming a bug is 1.
[18:11:18] <Krenair>	 Anyone can vote for a bug and it becomes confirmed.
[18:28:43] <MaxSem>	 Krenair, that encourages... sockpuppetry!
[18:29:03] <^demon>	 Voting. Like this is a democracy or something :p
[18:30:46] <marktraceur>	 Krenair: Sorry about the misunderstanding. This is in fact a dictatorship, masquerading as a democracy.
[18:31:06] <marktraceur>	 -- Dr. Jan Itor
[20:17:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "add Diff extension to Wikidata build" [integration/jenkins] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16852
[20:19:08] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hashar; [integration/jenkins] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16852
[20:20:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Applied live, might brake the Ext-Wikibase job..." [integration/jenkins] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16852
[21:13:06] <marktraceur>	 Hm.
[21:13:29] <marktraceur>	 About 10% of my test runs fail, I suspect because three tests in particular run in the same second
[21:13:32] <marktraceur>	 This is troublesome
[21:14:26] <marktraceur>	 Aha, microtime