[00:13:20] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/15232/
[01:04:03] <spage>	 `sudo apt-get install apache2 mysql-server php5 php5-mysql` , git clone core from gerrit, but MW 1.20alpha installation says "Could not find a suitable database driver!". But phpinfo() says mysql() installed. ??  I restarted apache2. Winner gets a cookie. :-)
[01:06:47] <spage>	 spage , click the install page's  _Restart installation_ link, reloading install web page is insufficient. Nom nom nom.
[01:08:35] <RoanKattouw>	 spage: Yeah I've seen that installer bug happen, it's weird
[01:15:03] <Amgine>	 Bug filed?
[01:15:44] <RoanKattouw>	 No, I didn't file it
[01:15:51] <RoanKattouw>	 Haven't bothered to reproduce it yet
[01:16:43] <Amgine>	 <grins>
[12:56:25] <petan|wk>	 turkish wikipedia controlled by unstoppable sysops, looks like another wiki drama
[12:56:27] <petan|wk>	 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Sysop_abuse_on_the_Turkish_Wikipedia
[12:56:43] <petan|wk>	 :o
[16:22:58] <siebrand>	 Hi everyone. There will be a Wikimedia Office Hours on "The future of e-mail usage in Wikimedia projects" in a few minutes in #wikimedia-office.
[16:45:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ottomata; "Removing required filters.  No more -f flag." [analytics/udp-filters] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15901
[16:45:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ottomata; "Using 'ScreenType' defined constants in case instead of hardcoded ints." [analytics/udp-filters] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15902
[17:02:41] <marktraceur>	 Hm, interesting stuff on www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Gerrit_evaluation
[17:02:47] <marktraceur>	 Damn it firefox
[17:02:53] <marktraceur>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Gerrit_evaluation
[17:05:07] <marktraceur>	 I stare in amazement as software freedom only makes the list of arguments against GitHub after several other facial things :)
[17:08:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Diederik; "Ok." [analytics/udp-filters] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15902
[17:21:20] <marktraceur>	 j^: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SwiftCloudFiles
[17:24:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Diederik; "Ok." [analytics/udp-filters] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15901
[17:24:29] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Diederik; [analytics/udp-filters] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15902
[17:24:29] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Diederik; [analytics/udp-filters] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15901
[17:25:45] <marktraceur>	 j^: "problems" is a very large set
[17:25:50] <marktraceur>	 Could you be more specific?
[17:25:51] <Reedy>	 j^: you want to speak to AaronSchulz or mapelbed/Ben Hartshorne
[17:26:19] <marktraceur>	 s/mapelbed/maplebed/
[17:26:36] <Reedy>	 it's the same if you say it out loud ;)
[17:26:53] <Reedy>	 AFAIK for the actual extension, you just need include "$IP/extensions/SwiftCloudFiles/SwiftCloudFiles.php";
[17:27:06] <marktraceur>	 I'd say it "may-pell-bed", as opposed to "may-pull-bed"
[17:29:11] <Reedy>	 Aaron is WFH today, and IIRC Ben is on the East coast.. So neither will be in the office
[17:31:30] <Reedy>	 Well, the latter 2 are more obviousd
[17:31:47] <Reedy>	 the first is pointing to an auth process on a openswift frontend server
[17:32:32] <Reedy>	 There's quite a lot of setup to do I think..
[17:35:34] <Reedy>	 yeah
[17:35:36] <Reedy>	 looks like it
[17:35:39] <Reedy>	 mw:thumb
[18:22:47] <hashar>	 Krinkle: I have added Firefox 14 on the old testswarm
[21:04:07] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: http://ganglia.wmflabs.org/latest/?r=2hr&cs=&ce=&c=resourceloader2&h=resourceloader2-apache&tab=m&vn=&mc=2&z=small&metric_group=ALLGROUPS
[21:04:14] <Krinkle>	 I rebooted it earlier today
[21:04:23] <Krinkle>	 do you know what might have caused that overload?
[21:04:35] <Krinkle>	 http://ganglia.wmflabs.org/latest/?r=day&cs=&ce=&c=resourceloader2&h=resourceloader2-apache&tab=m&vn=&mc=2&z=small&metric_group=ALLGROUPS
[21:25:01] <jorm>	 kaldari, i updated the screens for page triage.
[21:25:15] <kaldari>	 cool
[21:25:19] <kaldari>	 on mediawiki.org?
[21:25:41] <Danny_B|backup>	 kaldari: how come you did not come to dc?
[21:25:56] <kaldari>	 national security
[21:25:59] <kaldari>	 JK :)
[21:26:23] <kaldari>	 DC twice in one year is too much :)
[21:26:46] <kaldari>	 I'll probably be there next year though
[21:27:19] <Danny_B|backup>	 jk?
[21:28:27] <^demon>	 (just kidding)
[21:30:23] <jorm>	 yeah. you should have email about it, too.
[21:30:31] <jorm>	 also: FUCK YEAH I HAVE TICKETS TO SEE THE AFGHAN WHIGS
[21:37:21] * marktraceur  is not currently very impressed with the Chromium project's infrastructure

[21:37:29] <marktraceur>	 Maybe I'm spoiled by MediaWiki :)
[21:37:33] <sumanah>	 hee!
[21:37:35] <sumanah>	 what are they missing?
[21:38:07] <marktraceur>	 I've had some trouble getting in touch with anyone on IRC, for one
[21:38:36] <marktraceur>	 Also, their bug report guidelines told me to compile WebKit, so I've spent like 15 minutes on that, I can imagine 200% of people would have given up by now
[21:38:40] <sumanah>	 wow
[21:39:04] <sumanah>	 I bet they have a secret IRC channel that they don't tell the public about
[21:39:06] <sumanah>	 that's a common error
[21:39:09] <sumanah>	 or Yammer or something
[21:39:32] <marktraceur>	 Probably some XMPP chatroom or similar, it being Google-related and all
[21:39:59] <sumanah>	 mayhap
[21:40:24] <sumanah>	 and surely there are bugs that need reporting for which "compile WebKit" is not necessary as a prereq
[21:40:32] <marktraceur>	 *nod* true
[21:42:17] <sumanah>	 so, bleh.
[21:42:27] <sumanah>	 In contrast: anything about their infrastructure that's * better * than ours?
[21:43:13] <marktraceur>	 I haven't found any yet, but this is a first-impression at the moment
[21:43:43] <^demon>	 We have Apple to thank. I imagine contributing to Darwin is nearly as impossible.
[21:45:17] <marktraceur>	 sumanah: I'll report back if I find interesting things
[21:45:47] <sumanah>	 Thanks marktraceur
[21:47:31] <marktraceur>	 "libxt not found" "apt-get install libxt-dev" even money says the next error is "libxtst not found"
[21:47:46] <marktraceur>	 Ah, no, libsoup
[21:49:42] <^demon>	 yay packages
[21:49:54] * marktraceur  facepalms

[21:50:07] <marktraceur>	 libsoup2.4-1: Version: 2.38
[21:50:19] <marktraceur>	 Gorram MOTUs don't know 'bout versioning
[21:50:22] <Krenair>	 I wonder if the Chromium devs ever noticed my bug.
[21:51:34] <Krenair>	 Hm, nope: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=127967
[21:51:37] <marktraceur>	 Krenair: I suppose if you never got an email about it, it's unlikely :)
[21:52:20] <marktraceur>	 Oof, bad bug
[21:52:54] * marktraceur  gives up on webkit

[21:54:06] <marktraceur>	 OK, awesome, they have officially lost my interest in helping
[23:23:11] <kaldari>	 Roan: For some reason jQuery UI doesn't seem to be globally available on meta, although it is on en.wiki and commons. Isn't that one of the default modules?
[23:23:22] <kaldari>	 RoanKattouw: ^
[23:23:56] <kaldari>	 Krinkle: ^
[23:23:57] <RoanKattouw>	 It's not
[23:24:03] <RoanKattouw>	 You have to load it explicitly
[23:24:08] <kaldari>	 ah, OK
[23:24:17] <RoanKattouw>	 If there's no module that said it depended on JUI, RL won't load it
[23:24:31] <kaldari>	 I guess there must be some Extension on the other wikis that's loading it
[23:24:33] <Krinkle>	 nothing is ever globally available anywhere, except for jquery base and mediawiki base.
[23:24:39] <Krinkle>	 race condition
[23:25:15] <kaldari>	 cool, thanks for the info. I assumed it was one of the global modules.
[23:25:58] <Krinkle>	 even default modules can't be relied on, because though may be loaded by default it is possible they will not be loaded in time in asynchronous loading and execution
[23:26:00] <Krinkle>	 always declare dependencies, yes :)
[23:26:03] <Krinkle>	 rl will make sure not to load things twice
[23:26:39] <Danny_B|backup>	 hello, my favourite developer duo ;-)
[23:26:53] <kaldari>	 I do, I was just wanting to use it from the console :)
[23:27:00] <Krinkle>	 alrighty
[23:30:24] <kaldari>	 Danny_B: How was Wikimania this year anyway?
[23:30:38] <Danny_B|backup>	 busy ;-)