[05:29:28] <gamemaster>	 is python language is usefull
[05:32:06] <marktraceur>	 Hm. Very interesting input.
[06:06:32] <petan>	 no
[07:24:32] <hashar>	 good morning
[10:21:04] <matanya>	 Reedy: can have your opinion a sec please?
[11:43:18] <Reedy>	 matanya: what about?
[11:45:02] <matanya>	 a bug: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38437
[11:45:08] <matanya>	 is this by design?
[11:47:32] <Reedy>	 It'd seem a slightly strange thing to do, based on what other files do
[12:22:12] <TimStarling>	 PCRE's match() is a single 4000-line function
[12:22:43] <TimStarling>	 must be the largest function I have ever seen
[12:23:18] <TimStarling>	 certainly the largest written by humans
[12:26:31] <petan|wk>	 TimStarling when I was learning basic like 12 years ago I made larger, it was part of simple boat game
[12:27:19] <TimStarling>	 what sort of basic?
[12:27:25] <petan|wk>	 it was a field 50x50 where I made 50x50 combination for switch :)
[12:27:32] <petan|wk>	 50 * 50
[12:27:49] <petan|wk>	 it was so large that compiler told me it's not gonna compile it
[12:28:07] <TimStarling>	 funny
[12:28:28] <petan|wk>	 today I would likely make it within 20 lines of code
[12:30:24] <hashar>	 TimStarling: on their defense, match() has a lot of multilines comments!
[12:30:41] <hashar>	 are you looking for some possible optimizations there?
[12:31:07] <TimStarling>	 no, do you know how srv193 has been segfaulting? it looks like a PCRE bug
[12:32:21] <hashar>	 is it caused by a PHP or an Apache regex?
[12:32:36] <TimStarling>	 PHP
[12:33:09] <TimStarling>	 it's a fruity kind of regex, the kind of thing you'd expect to see on test.wp
[12:33:38] <TimStarling>	 I won't tell you what it is in this channel because it's probably a security bug
[12:34:19] <hashar>	 I am confident you will manage to write a pcre patch that will include a nice test suite :-]
[12:34:34] <hashar>	 I am more worried about upgrading PCRE in production. Isn't it build in PHP?
[12:35:00] <hashar>	 though if it is a security bug, I guess Ubuntu will update its package
[12:35:21] <Reedy>	  We do get a lot of de ja vu
[12:35:26] <TimStarling>	 it's external, it's not the bundled one
[14:29:45] <sumanah>	 guillom: ping
[14:30:46] <guillom>	 sumanah: yes?
[14:41:38] <Reedy>	 guillom: you've got to respon to with pong
[14:41:50] <guillom>	 Reedy: o rly.
[14:47:58] <sumanah>	 guillom: my sound broke
[14:48:02] <sumanah>	 I think I need to fully restart
[14:48:05] <sumanah>	 I'll be back in 5 min
[14:48:09] <guillom>	 sumanah: ok
[15:30:00] <hashar>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/15771/  a trivial one for you Reedy :)
[15:30:14] <hashar>	 mark various includes/db/ methods as public
[17:25:52] <fabriceflorin>	 Hello matthiasmullie chrismcmahon : Look forward to another deployment of Article Feedback to 5% of en-wiki today. bsitu and kaldari are doing final code review for this deployment, and I look forward to testing the code once it's up on test-wiki. Cheers!
[18:06:15] <fabriceflorin>	 Hi matthiasmullie : How are things coming along for today's AFT5 deployment? Did you get the most critical parts of the code reviewed by kaldari and bsitu ? Ready to test when you are up on test-wiki. Cheers.
[18:09:46] <matthiasmullie>	 fabriceflorin: I just finished pushing the changes to testwiki & clearing message chaches
[18:09:48] <matthiasmullie>	 caches*
[18:11:43] <matthiasmullie>	 (and yes; kaldari & bsitu did a great job reviewing and are already working on reviewing some commits for next week)
[18:14:00] <fabriceflorin>	 matthiasmullie: Thanks! I am now starting to test this on test-wiki. Will let you know if I encounter any issues. chrismcmahon , are you testing there as well?
[18:16:39] <chrismcmahon>	 fabriceflorin: I have IE7 pointing to test, looking now
[18:19:21] <chrismcmahon>	 fabriceflorin matthiasmullie and I'm seeing no feedback box on the GCSparrow page for IE7 and "your browser not supported" on the Central page
[18:19:36] <chrismcmahon>	 on test.wikipedia.org
[18:19:51] <matthiasmullie>	 chrismcmahon: IE7-compatibility was not yet pushed; for 2 reasons
[18:20:18] <matthiasmullie>	 - it still needed code review & is a lot of code (this did get done in the meantime, so theoretically, I could push it anyway)
[18:20:29] <matthiasmullie>	 - fabrice didn't yet get to testing it
[18:21:14] <matthiasmullie>	 as a result, I'd hold back another week - unless fabriceflorin feels we should already push it
[18:21:21] <fabriceflorin>	 I just found an issue when flagging this post multiple times on its permalink page: http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ArticleFeedbackv5/Golden-crowned_Sparrow/165 It seems that the first few times, the toggle function did not work when trying to unflag this post, and kept adding more flags. Not sure if it's related to the fact that I was flagging from the permalink page, or that it was my own post or a post without comment, or if it was
[18:21:22] <fabriceflorin>	 only the first few times.
[18:25:08] <matthiasmullie>	 I'm not sure what you mean
[18:25:11] <matthiasmullie>	 the "flag as abuse"-toggle?
[18:26:08] <matthiasmullie>	 I can't recall having worked on that yet, so I assume it's something still queued up on bugzilla?
[18:34:21] <fabriceflorin>	 What I mean by the toggle function is that the first time you click on 'Flag this post', it flags it. The second time, it unflags it. And so on. If you check the activity log for this post, it appears that it malfunctioned, by flagging three times in a row. I don't know yet if it is a serious issue, or an isolated issue based on the limited use cases suggested above.
[18:35:37] <fabriceflorin>	 I think it is fine to hold off on IE7 for a week, as matthiasmullie proposes. Thanks for testing it chrismcmahon ! On a different note, can you reproduce my issue with the flags for any of the conditions cited above?
[18:37:39] <matthiasmullie>	 I can't reproduce it; though it's on my list to look at, since it shouldn't have happened to you either
[18:38:47] <chrismcmahon>	 fabriceflorin matthiasmullie I can't repro either, Activity looks OK after flagging/unflagging
[18:40:09] <Reedy>	 You probably don't need to merge into 1.20wmf6
[18:40:18] <Reedy>	 enwiki and the test wikis are on 1.20wmf7
[18:41:08] <fabriceflorin>	 chrismcmahon: Have you tried flagging a new post you just made on the permalink page? That's how I encountered the problem. I just sent you an email with a screenshot. Not sure if this is serious or not.
[18:41:58] <matthiasmullie>	 Reedy: ok!
[18:42:38] <matthiasmullie>	 fabriceflorin: I tried flagging a brand new own post on permalink page, yes; but toggled just fine
[18:43:59] <fabriceflorin>	 OK, let's consider this a false alarm then. I was unable to reproduce when trying this on a separate browser.
[18:44:46] <chrismcmahon>	 fabriceflorin: I see the Activity on your post, but can't repro myself
[18:45:15] <chrismcmahon>	 like the flag link stuttered one time
[18:45:28] <fabriceflorin>	 chrismcmahon: Thanks for checking. Let's keep an eye on this in the future, but it's clearly not a show-stopper for now.
[18:52:56] <fabriceflorin>	 So everything looks good from my standpoint. chrismcmahon, does it work for you too? If so, let's go to production!
[18:53:14] <chrismcmahon>	 looks good
[18:53:14] <fabriceflorin>	 BTW, I confirmed that we are deploying to 5%, based on Matthias's instructions for testing on Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37616
[18:53:22] <Ironholds>	 5 percent? not 10?
[18:53:46] <fabriceflorin>	 Yes, today is 5 percent, as outlined in our schedule. Next week is 10%.
[18:53:51] <Ironholds>	 gotcha
[18:54:00] <Ironholds>	 eh, it'll decrease the efficacy of the banners, but shouldn't do too much harm
[18:54:54] <fabriceflorin>	 ironholds: Yes, that's the plan we discussed with everyone, and I just assume stick with it, particularly since I'm out of office Thur. and Fri.
[18:55:07] <Ironholds>	 sure
[18:56:10] <matthiasmullie>	 pushing to production
[18:56:26] * Ironholds  covers ears, hides under desk, does last-minute community facing stuff

[18:56:33] <Ironholds>	 kaldari, is everything prepared?
[18:56:53] <fabriceflorin>	 I will respond to your email about central notices now, while Matthias pushes to production. Kaldari is onboard for making the central notice live, and I will loop him in that thread as well. I would like to wait a couple hours after we have deployed to production, to make sure nothing weird happens from the near-doubling of the article sample from 3% to 5%.
[18:56:53] <kaldari>	 almost, had to finish some code review
[18:57:34] <kaldari>	 fabriceflorin: I'll wait until you give the go ahead
[18:58:33] <fabriceflorin>	 Thanks, Kaldari, much appreciated. Let's aim for doing this around 2pm, if all goes well.
[18:58:33] <Ironholds>	 fabriceflorin: yes, I know, I spoke to him :)
[18:58:57] <Ironholds>	 I'll occupy myself archiving the talkpage to open up conversation, prepping a newsletter to go out once deployment is complete and listing the office hours sessions
[19:02:23] <fabriceflorin>	 Cool, good idea. Also, can we left-align the blue buttons on the landing page? Heather had fixed this at some point, but they are now misaligned with the text below it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_feedback
[19:03:31] <Ironholds>	 those are, in the wikisyntax, all aligned left
[19:03:44] <Ironholds>	 if there's a problem it's beyond my knowledge to kludge.
[19:04:12] <Ironholds>	 chrismcmahon: we now have 3 OSers having problems (2 reported, plus 1 new)
[19:04:17] <Ironholds>	 I'm getting details and will forward them on
[19:04:34] <chrismcmahon>	 dang.
[19:05:49] <chrismcmahon>	 do send the details you have.  I'm hoping some new details will spark a better theory of why this fraction of people seem to not be getting javascript (or whatever)
[19:05:53] <Ironholds>	 dang and, indeed, poot
[19:06:07] <Ironholds>	 personally I blame Obama. Not sure how it's his fault, but blaming him for things that aren't seems to be in vogue.
[19:17:43] <hashar>	 matthiasmullie: still around ?
[19:18:08] <matthiasmullie>	 yes
[19:18:20] <hashar>	 matthiasmullie: you have an IE7 issue with AFTv5 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37011
[19:18:32] <hashar>	 matthiasmullie: and two gerrit changes, do you want me to apply those changes to the beta cluster ?
[19:19:28] <matthiasmullie>	 hashar: could you apply the current ArticleFeedbackv5 master? (they've been reviewed/merged already)
[19:19:39] <hashar>	 even better
[19:20:27] <hashar>	 matthiasmullie: updated ! ;-]
[19:21:17] <hashar>	 matthiasmullie: the main page is http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page
[19:21:44] <hashar>	 matthiasmullie: beta as a bits host but is lacking an upload host so you get no picture I think :/
[19:21:54] <hashar>	 beside those that are in a resourceloader module
[19:24:08] <hashar>	 matthiasmullie: if you ever need, i am usually connected from 9:30 to 18:30 (Eu time, I live in France)
[19:24:27] <matthiasmullie>	 ok great thanks; will take a look at it over there :)
[19:24:48] <hashar>	 and will be glad to chat in French if you want (i don't know dutch sorry)
[19:24:55] <hashar>	 nor german hehe
[19:25:03] <matthiasmullie>	 lol
[19:25:44] <matthiasmullie>	 I could try French, but English might go smoother ^^
[19:25:56] <matthiasmullie>	 I won't even try German
[19:28:02] <chrismcmahon>	 hashar: so this means that AFTv5 on beta is the same as AFTv5 on enwiki, right?
[19:28:44] <chrismcmahon>	 (well, except it needs to be turned on to actually leave feedback on pages)
[19:29:10] <hashar>	 chrismcmahon: I have no idea how up to date is the one on production
[19:29:21] <hashar>	 I have also updated core to latest version
[19:29:29] <hashar>	 though I have let the other extensions at their current state
[19:29:48] <hashar>	 http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:Version
[19:29:49] <hashar>	 hehe
[19:29:53] <hashar>	 invalid magic word 'pageid'
[19:29:54] <hashar>	 oh yea
[19:30:25] <matthiasmullie>	 hashar: master is being scapped to production as we speak; so yes chrismcmahon, it'll be the same version as soon as deployment is over
[19:30:44] * hashar  invokes reedy to look at http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:Version

[19:30:57] <hashar>	 waldir added PAGEID back in June 2nd
[19:31:00] <hashar>	 0a7cf03e75cd6
[19:31:01] <hashar>	 grmblbl
[19:31:04] <chrismcmahon>	 hashar: whoopsie
[19:31:09] <hashar>	 there must be some magic cache
[19:31:24] <chrismcmahon>	 hashar: every page on labs beta now shows error
[19:31:33] <hashar>	 yeah enjoy beta :D
[19:32:07] <hashar>	 need to bisect it now
[19:33:02] <hashar>	 bisecting in labs is funn
[19:33:20] * Ironholds  grabs scalpel

[19:34:20] * hashar  whistles while bisect does the job

[19:34:49] <hashar>	 that is why our jobs are awesome, computer do all the job
[19:34:55] <hashar>	 we just give them directions
[19:35:29] <Ironholds>	 in this metaphor, my computer is the awful GPS unit that drives you into a lake
[19:35:39] <chrismcmahon>	 so Ironholds hashar my scheme at this point is to have our mysterious non-js-using power folk point at beta labs and see if we can figure out wtf is going on, or at least get more info
[19:35:52] <Ironholds>	 chrismcmahon: cool! One is online now; is beta SULd?
[19:36:10] <Ironholds>	 if not we'll need to have them create accounts, then have someone with 'crat permissions over there assign oversight.
[19:36:18] <chrismcmahon>	 hashar just broke beta, thus the bisect :)
[19:36:27] <hashar>	 Ironholds: there is SUL on beta
[19:36:36] <hashar>	 I never remember the main wiki though
[19:36:45] <chrismcmahon>	 we darn near have us a test env :)
[19:37:33] <Reedy>	 &lt;moodbar-trigger-editing&gt;
[19:37:50] <hashar>	 so as I said, the culprit is the commit that introduced PAGEID
[19:37:59] <hashar>	 0a7cf03e75cd6751711b24b1e74328e7da329515
[19:39:52] <hashar>	 Reedy: do you know if we have any magic word cache ?
[19:40:19] <^demon>	 I think it's cached in-process, but not long-term or anything
[19:40:51] <^demon>	 But it might be cached along with the rest of the page in the parser cache of course ;-)
[19:41:11] <hashar>	 arhghthe parser cache
[19:41:27] <hashar>	 we have so many cache that I have stopped tracking them
[19:41:34] <hashar>	 much less understanding how they work
[19:42:54] <hashar>	         $wgContLang->getMagic( $this );
[19:42:54] <hashar>	 so hacky
[19:44:33] <hashar>	 ohh
[19:44:36] <hashar>	 l10n cache
[19:45:21] <hashar>	 http://ab.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=Цастәи:Версия&cache=oooo
[19:45:23] <hashar>	 yeahhh
[19:45:36] <hashar>	 ^demon: Reedy so the magic word are defined in language file
[19:45:57] <hashar>	 even if it is actively presents, if there is no synonym defined for it in the language cache, we get an error
[19:46:25] <Reedy>	 yeah
[19:46:36] <Reedy>	 'foo' => array( 'foo' ),
[19:46:53] <hashar>	 I have no idea why that is in the cache
[19:46:58] <hashar>	 we could just load that from the php file
[19:47:20] <hashar>	 though I guess the whole point of the l10n cache is to avoid including the MessagesXX.php file
[19:47:45] <hashar>	 one day we will have to rewrite that l10n / i18n stuff to some proper modular thing
[19:47:47] <hashar>	 ala resource loader
[19:47:50] <hashar>	 but I am ranting
[19:47:59] <hashar>	 chrismcmahon: beta fixed http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:Version?cache=noooooo
[19:48:08] <chrismcmahon>	 :)
[19:48:09] <hashar>	 chrismcmahon: add to refresh the l10n cache to take in account the pageid
[19:48:22] <hashar>	 something that is automatically done on production whenever we deploy a change (scap)
[19:52:30] <hashar>	 chrismcmahon: so beta has core at ef3132f (latest master)  and ArticleFeedback at some unknown version ( Special:Version gives two Article feedback version hehe)
[19:52:39] <hashar>	 maybe(d3bd97f)
[19:52:58] <hashar>	  ArticleFeedback is  v0.2.0
[19:53:09] <hashar>	 ArticleFeedbackv5 is v0.0.1 :-D
[19:53:34] <chrismcmahon>	 hashar: ArticleFeedbackv5 is the important one
[19:53:39] <matthiasmullie>	 mmh; maybe we should up that version :)
[19:53:50] <hashar>	 totally :D
[19:54:08] <hashar>	 we need Special:Version to resolve the commit sha1 too
[19:54:10] <chrismcmahon>	 matthiasmullie: what is required to enable AFTv5 for all of the pages on the beta enwiki?
[19:57:16] <hashar>	 should change something in  operations/mediawiki-config.git
[19:58:01] <hashar>	 bah it use a lottery
[19:58:44] <hashar>	 we would need to override whatever setting in  wmf-config/CommonSettings-wmflabs.php
[19:58:54] <hashar>	 could do that tomorrow if needed, do open a bug and assign it to me
[19:59:04] <hashar>	 I am in conf call for the rest of the night
[19:59:21] <hashar>	 the change can be submitted to Gerrit though :-]
[19:59:29] <chrismcmahon>	 hashar: I'll open a bug for that now
[19:59:34] <hasharCall>	 thanks
[19:59:41] <hasharCall>	 will need to find the correct settings though
[19:59:49] <Reedy>	 hasharCall: set it to 100%?
[19:59:53] <hasharCall>	 probably $wgArticleFeedbackOdds = 1 or something
[20:00:02] <chrismcmahon>	 hasharCall:  I'm happy beta is becoming useful :)
[20:00:17] <chrismcmahon>	 = 100, it should be percentage
[20:01:39] <fabriceflorin>	 matthiasmullie: How's the deployment of AFT5 to production coming along? When do you think it will be ready for testing?
[20:02:19] <matthiasmullie>	 chrismcmahon: well, actually, 0% (it's inverse of AFTv4; 100% would be all AFTv4)
[20:02:45] <matthiasmullie>	 fabriceflorin: impeccable timing; just finished pushing to production
[20:02:53] <chrismcmahon>	 matthiasmullie: thanks, I was mistaken
[20:03:11] <Ironholds>	 matthiasmullie: oh boy. Judgment day.
[20:03:14] <fabriceflorin>	 matthiasmullie: Perfect. I'm on it.
[20:03:20] <Ironholds>	 if anyone wants me I'll be hid under my desk vomiting
[20:03:48] <matthiasmullie>	 fabriceflorin: however; changes to the form don't seem to have updated, where-as changes to feedback page have
[20:04:28] <fabriceflorin>	 The first thing I want to test is that we are correctly deploying to 5%, based on Matthias's instructions for testing on Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37616
[20:18:27] <fabriceflorin>	 Hey Matthias, one of the links you told us should be in the 5% lottery is still showing up as AFT4: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1o_Sector Is that because it redirects to this one? Just checking … http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_sector_of_the_economy
[20:20:10] <matthiasmullie>	 mmh; so it's a redirect
[20:20:27] <matthiasmullie>	 than it's ok; as the landing page will likely not be in the 5% pool
[20:23:02] <matthiasmullie>	 I'll find another article that should be in the 5% range
[20:27:29] <matthiasmullie>	 fabriceflorin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Rugby_World_Cup_Final (31409960) should yield AFTv5 as well (which for me, it does)
[20:27:39] <fabriceflorin>	 matthiasmullie: No worries, I just wanted to make sure that was not abnormal. I did a random check on a few dozen articles, and typically found one AFT5 article out of twenty, as intended. So I think we're good on that front. Here's one of the random articles, FYI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton_Township,_Franklin_County,_Ohio
[20:29:16] <matthiasmullie>	 let's have a look at it's id
[20:29:25] <matthiasmullie>	 should end in 950+
[20:29:52] <fabriceflorin>	 Yes, the Rugby article works too. So I think that point is settled, we are at 5%. Will now check a few more new features, but we are looking good overall. My only nitpick is that I am still being served CTA2 on standard pages, even though I am a moderately 'experienced' editor. Our requirements were that editors would only see CTA5, so let's get to the bottom of that for next week's deployment.
[20:32:35] <Ironholds>	 fabriceflorin: what was the standard for "experienced"?
[20:33:45] <matthiasmullie>	 fabriceflorin: CTA2 currently doesn't seem to have any verification, there's no check limiting it to any group, everyone gets to see it if they're being bucketed CTA2
[20:34:57] <Krinkle>	 Hm... why does the "and others" link on Special:Version always link to /w/CREDITS ? Isn't that wrong for most (if not, all) extensions?
[20:35:30] <fabriceflorin>	 I was using a browser with my standard account, which has over 500 edits. That account also has oversighter privileges. In both cases, the 'Learn More' CTA2 is not needed, as it is only intended for readers or for protected pages.
[20:36:42] <fabriceflorin>	 matthiasmullie: No worries, this is a minor issue, which we can fix next week. But let's open a ticket for this, or re-open the CTA bucketing ticket, as you prefer.
[20:37:29] <matthiasmullie>	 i'll create a new ticket
[20:37:35] <marktraceur>	 Krinkle: Was that added recently? I don't get a link on "and others" on my instance
[20:38:48] <marktraceur>	 I guess because of the different length of the lists
[20:39:16] <marktraceur>	 I see what you mean, though, enwiki appears to link to the wrong place for interwiki
[20:39:40] <matthiasmullie>	 fabriceflorin: I've created a ticket for it: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38453
[20:41:32] <Krinkle>	 marktraceur: it is added when you end the array with '...'
[20:41:40] <Krinkle>	 marktraceur: mediawiki doesn't do it automatically, not supposed to.
[20:41:57] <Krinkle>	 it is not meant to cut off the list, it is meant to indicate there is more than listed here
[20:42:10] <Krinkle>	 install the Example extension
[20:42:22] <Krinkle>	 mediawiki/extensions/examples, include $IP/extensions/examples/Example/Example.php
[20:44:03] <fabriceflorin>	 matthiasmullie: Thanks! Doing one final round of checks from a reader's viewpoint, and I think we'll be good to call this a successful deployment.
[20:46:58] <chrismcmahon>	 I've not found anything unusual
[20:47:45] <fabriceflorin>	 matthiasmullie: Another thing worth noting is that the change to the CTA feedback links which the internationalization team had recommended doesn't appear to be there. It still says "Your feedback was posted here" on all my browsers. Not a big issue, but wanted to report it, for the record.
[20:50:47] <matthiasmullie>	 ok; will take a look at it before next week's deployment!
[20:51:27] <fabriceflorin>	 One last note, so I don't forget, not a show-stopper either: in editor mode, I am still seeing 'Most relevant' by default on the feedback pages, even though I am now using a browser with an auto-confirmed editor account (Fabrice Florin WMF). I should be seeing 'All comments' by default, per our requirements. Note that I do not get this issue when I am using a monitor or oversighter account, where 'All comments' is shown by default. So there
[20:51:28] <fabriceflorin>	 may be an issue with user rights.
[20:54:42] <matthiasmullie>	 will take a look at that as well :)
[20:54:55] <fabriceflorin>	 One more thing, which may be worth investigating a bit more. When I reset Firefox to a default zoom size, the text font sizes are really large, compared to other browsers. Do you guys experience the same issue on your end?
[20:58:33] <matthiasmullie>	 Opera's default seems to be the same as Firefox'
[20:58:44] <matthiasmullie>	 Chrome however, appears to be smaller indeed
[20:59:02] <fabriceflorin>	 Notes from a reader's perspective: I can still see links to the feedback page on the talk page. I can also see links to the central feedback page at the bottom of any feedback page. These links should not be visible to readers, only to auto-confirmed editors and up. Not a big deal now, but should be fixed next week.
[20:59:33] <fabriceflorin>	 Other than that, I think we are good to go for today's code deployment. chrismcmahon, any issues on your end?
[21:00:36] <chrismcmahon>	 fabriceflorin: I haven't found anything unusual.  not deploying IE7 support made things a bit simpler
[21:02:03] <fabriceflorin>	 Cool. matthiasmullie, congratulations for a great deployment -- and many thanks to chrismcmahon for all your good testing work this week! A pleasure working with you both, as always ...
[21:02:47] <fabriceflorin>	 Ironholds kaldari : I am going to get the landing page ready now with the minor tweaks I proposed, so we can deploy the central notice banner within the hour. Will let you know when we are good to go from my standpoint.
[21:03:08] <Ironholds>	 okay
[21:03:17] <matthiasmullie>	 looking forward to it
[21:54:22] <spage>	 Hello, I'm setting up my Linux dev laptop. Is there an in-house guide?  http://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hackathon/Laptop_setup is good...
[21:55:08] <spage>	 but e.g. it suggests installing php5-sqlite, do most devs run mysql ?
[21:56:24] <Platonides>	 I don't know the statistics...
[21:56:44] <Platonides>	 any of mysql or sqlite would work fine for you
[21:57:05] <^demon>	 Sqlite's probably a tad easier to setup+use, but yeah either would work just fine.
[21:57:08] <Platonides>	 I guess it recommends sqlite there because it needs less setup
[21:57:19] <chrismcmahon>	 spage: in my humble n00b experience they live nicely side-by-side
[22:05:49] <Ironholds>	 sooo. centralnotice.
[22:05:52] <Ironholds>	 what are we waiting on?
[22:06:43] <Ironholds>	 oh, just got the email
[22:07:15] <fabriceflorin>	 Ironholds: I think we are done now. Many thanks to heatherw for her help in making some of the final tweaks, much appreciated!
[22:08:14] <fabriceflorin>	 kaldari says it will take him about 15 mins. to turn on the  central notice once we get Ironhold's confirmation that he's comfortable with the final tweaks.
[22:11:32] <Ironholds>	 fabriceflorin: looking through now
[22:12:21] <fabriceflorin>	 All right! The moment we've all been waiting for. Kaldari, please turn on the switch for us. Let the games begin ...
[22:13:04] <Ironholds>	 fabriceflorin: "looking through now" means "I am looking at it"
[22:13:19] <Ironholds>	 not "it is fine". That is indicated by the phrase "it is fine" or some variant thereof.
[22:13:31] <fabriceflorin>	 Correction: I misread Oliver's email -- we are holding off until we hear back from you.
[22:13:58] <fabriceflorin>	 We will do one last test on the banner page anyway before it goes live. But kaldari has it almost ready now.
[22:14:17] <Ironholds>	 right, seems good
[22:14:33] <Ironholds>	 I'm going to grab booze and caffeine. 18 hours travelling and then this? I'm not getting sleep, it looks like.
[22:14:45] * Ironholds  goes to join all the relevant IRC channels to monitor community reactions, too

[22:14:47] <fabriceflorin>	 Ironholds: Cool. So we are good to go from your standpoint?
[22:15:12] <Ironholds>	 yup. Just need to distribute the torches and pitchforks
[22:16:08] <fabriceflorin>	 Hehe. Hopefully it won't be that bad. How can we help? Would you like me to take part of the night shift?
[22:17:07] <Ironholds>	 I'll be fine. having multiple people confuses things
[22:17:25] <Ironholds>	 some requests'll go to me and then to you et al, some to you and then me et al, and the community won't know for more long-term reference who to keep informed about what and when
[22:20:59] <Ironholds>	 kaldari: lasers set to kill yet?
[22:21:23] <kaldari>	 yes...
[22:21:30] <kaldari>	 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?banner=ArticleFeedback
[22:21:37] <kaldari>	 lemme know when you activate
[22:22:28] <Ironholds>	 ...when *I* activate?
[22:22:53] <Ironholds>	 I don't have CN permissions on met
[22:22:53] <Ironholds>	 a
[22:22:59] <kaldari>	 er I mean when you want me to activate
[22:23:18] <Ironholds>	 that makes more sense ;p
[22:23:25] <fabriceflorin>	 Ironholds: I added a header to promote the live tutorials more on the landing page. Let me know if that works for you.
[22:23:31] <Ironholds>	 fabriceflorin, permission to give the order? I want to feel a sense of power ;p
[22:23:57] * chrismcmahon  stands at attention and salutes Ironholds 

[22:24:08] <Ironholds>	 fabriceflorin: looks grand
[22:24:08] <fabriceflorin>	 Ironholds: Please be my guest and pull zee trigger!
[22:24:17] * marktraceur  needs some popcorn GIFs for this occasion

[22:24:21] <Ironholds>	 kaldari: FIRIN MAH MAZORS PLZ
[22:24:24] <fabriceflorin>	 Drum rolll …….
[22:24:25] <marktraceur>	 Or popcorn
[22:24:27] * Ironholds  salutes

[22:24:34] <kaldari>	 hehe
[22:24:42] <fabriceflorin>	 Woohoo! This is a historical moment!
[22:25:04] <Ironholds>	 I have booze to celebrate
[22:25:07] <Ironholds>	 also because it's a weekday
[22:25:08] * chrismcmahon  thanked the AFTv5 community testers on my Twitter feed just now

[22:25:08] <kaldari>	 OK, it's on
[22:25:25] <fabriceflorin>	 Where's that booze of yours now, Oliver? I might have made an exception for this occasion ;o)
[22:25:39] <Ironholds>	 currently my stomach; you really don't want it ;p
[22:28:33] <Ironholds>	 chrismcmahon, matthiasmullie, any idea what is happening here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ArticleFeedbackv5/Hexagonal_truncated_trapezohedron/167549
[22:28:39] <Ironholds>	 look at the action log
[22:29:39] <matthiasmullie>	 I'm seeing flagged/unflagged/flagged/unflagged/... - right?
[22:30:06] <chrismcmahon>	 and it got auto-flagged to start
[22:30:17] <chrismcmahon>	 I think
[22:30:37] <matthiasmullie>	 looks like 1 of us testing (since fabrice reported an error with flagging/unflagging)
[22:31:11] <Ironholds>	 ahh
[22:33:30] <fabriceflorin>	 I had problems there too, but they were different. This one is very puzzling. Better file a ticket for this as well. I cannot explain why the abuse filter would unflag items it just flagged. It is not designed to do that.
[22:33:40] <chrismcmahon>	 yeah, seeing no other examples, but am seeing lots of helpful/unhelpful marking, and one hide so far (nonsense on the Higgs Boson article)
[22:33:58] <Ironholds>	 I predict I am going to spend a substantial chunk of tonight on bugzilla
[22:34:27] <fabriceflorin>	 Would someone be kind enough to file a Bugzilla ticket for this? I am preparing an announcement to WMF staff about this deployment and want to let everyone know ASAP.
[22:34:28] <chrismcmahon>	 Ironholds: I hope not
[22:34:33] <Ironholds>	 fabrice, you're editing logged out, btw.
[22:34:36] <Ironholds>	 fabriceflorin: I'll do it
[22:34:51] <Ironholds>	 what keyword are we using now?
[22:34:52] <Ironholds>	 2.0?
[22:35:17] <fabriceflorin>	 Ironholds: I recommend you focus on responding to queries on the talk page, and make a list of issues you can email to us, so we can divvy up the work of filing the bugs.
[22:35:31] <Ironholds>	 filing a bug takes, like, 30 seconds
[22:35:45] <fabriceflorin>	 Ironholds: Let's stay with 1.5 for now. 2.0 is intended for the next release at end of year.
[22:35:50] <Ironholds>	 okay
[22:36:20] <chrismcmahon>	 anomaly, looks like someone playing around:  http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:ArticleFeedbackv5
[22:36:23] <chrismcmahon>	 oops
[22:36:41] <chrismcmahon>	 real link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ArticleFeedbackv5/Snellen_chart/168998
[22:39:01] <Ironholds>	 alright
[22:39:28] <Ironholds>	 I've got 12 cans of chilled coca-cola, a bottle of Talisker single malt, and The Damned's "Machine Gun Etiquette" (the expanded 2004 re-release) on the speakers.
[22:39:30] <Ironholds>	 Lets do this thing.
[22:40:56] <Ironholds>	 fabriceflorin: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Article_Feedback_Tool/Version_5/Video&rcid=517990778 :)
[22:42:28] <fabriceflorin>	 Hehe, Ironholds … go easy on the machine gun. Can't we pacify them with flowers, as we used to do in the 60's?
[22:45:26] <Ironholds>	 hey, the opening song is called "Love Song"
[22:45:30] <Ironholds>	 totally in the spirit of the 60s
[22:45:42] <Ironholds>	 mind you it does also feature a cross-dressing priest and someone stealing from collection plates. so.
[22:47:04] <kaldari>	 fabriceflorin: nice video
[22:47:47] <fabriceflorin>	 Oh, you'll have to send me the link to the Love Song.
[22:48:38] <fabriceflorin>	 Thanks, Kaldari. Glad you like the video. I hope to do a screencast like this for New Pages as well, when we approach launch at the end of August.
[22:49:05] <Ironholds>	 fabriceflorin: actually, those lyrics are from Anti-Pope - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1G1y7_r8bE
[22:49:16] <Ironholds>	 1979. Great year for British punk.
[22:51:40] <fabriceflorin>	 Cool, thanks. We covered a lot of punk bands from 1979 to 1984 with Videowest, my first TV company. Though I'm afraid we missed Anti-Pope. This music brings back a lot memories, though …
[22:51:50] <RoanKattouw>	 Tim-away: Could you review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7376/ ?
[22:52:44] <spage>	 Is this going live? It isexcellent!
[22:53:38] <Ironholds>	 fabriceflorin: "Love Song", "Smash it Up" and "Plan 9 Channel 7" are also great songs. Really it's an awesome album overall
[22:55:22] <spage>	  The text in the images on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_Feedback_Tool/Tutorial looks rough on my display, maybe the images should be re-rendered  at that size. Should I file a bug?
[22:59:21] <Ironholds>	 spage: it's not a software issue, so no bug :)
[23:01:39] <spage>	 I see today is "Continue wider deployment to 5% of en-wiki". Congratulations.
[23:05:23] <Ironholds>	 spage: indeed! nothing exploded.
[23:06:00] <Ironholds>	 spage: this is going to sound really bad, but..who are you? :)
[23:06:09] <Ironholds>	 I work remotely and so don't really get a feel for new people
[23:06:23] <TimStarling>	 RoanKattouw: looks complicated
[23:06:36] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah it's scary
[23:06:59] <marktraceur>	 Ironholds: Staff and Contractors page appears to be less useful than the /whois info, if you can believe it :P
[23:07:21] <RoanKattouw>	 There was a tweet announcing spage today
[23:07:41] <spage>	 I'm batman
[23:08:08] <Ironholds>	 spage: more seriously?
[23:08:16] <TimStarling>	 and it has an unreviewed dependency
[23:08:17] <marktraceur>	 That explains why I haven't heard it....nothing on wikitech?
[23:08:24] <spage>	 RoanKattouw, ?  I provided Alolita some new hire info, but I haven't seen an e-mail.
[23:09:06] <spage>	 Ironholds,  Hi I joined E3 as an engineer yesterday.   https://office.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:SPage
[23:09:13] <RoanKattouw>	 spage: https://twitter.com/wikimediaatwork
[23:09:35] <Ironholds>	 spage: that's slightly more helpful ;p. are you planning to edit wikipedia in an official role? If so, has your staff account been created?
[23:09:55] <marktraceur>	 RoanKattouw: I don't suppose there's a parallel identi.ca page? :P
[23:11:02] <thekaryn>	 Ironholds, behave and don't scare off spage just yet!
[23:11:21] <Ironholds>	 thekaryn: I want to make sure he doesn't vex the scary oklahoman by doing it wrong!
[23:11:26] <Ironholds>	 it's for his own safety, dammit
[23:11:27] <spage>	 Ironholds, what's a "staff account" ??  I've edited wikipedia for a while as "skierpage", I'm not sure what I'd do in an "official role".
[23:12:10] <Ironholds>	 spage: eh, good enough. Don't make edits related to your job through User:Skierpage, and all will be fine
[23:12:20] <Ironholds>	 at this point I'm probably just being confusing, so I'll shut up
[23:12:31] <RoanKattouw>	 marktraceur: There is
[23:12:56] <chrismcmahon>	 spage: I had to muck with this too, most people have a foo(WMF) account for Official Business, e.g. I test stuff as Cmcmahon(WMF) and edit software-testing articles as Cmcmahon
[23:13:01] * marktraceur  is practically exploding with excitement

[23:13:04] <thekaryn>	 spage we'll probably ask you to create an official page that looks like foundation staff pages. most of us have a second user page that's something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kgladstone_(WMF)
[23:13:18] * marktraceur  needs to think more before sending messages

[23:40:09] <RoanKattouw>	 gwicke: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/15856/
[23:40:34] <gwicke>	 thanks!
[23:41:28] <gwicke>	 RoanKattouw: looks like we'll have to create a new instance to change the performance of the parsoid.wmflabs.org VM
[23:41:37] <RoanKattouw>	 Why?
[23:41:52] <gwicke>	 apparently some stupid limitation in OpenStack
[23:42:00] <RoanKattouw>	 Is this the security group stuff?
[23:42:21] <gwicke>	 not sure, just asked Ryan about it and he said it would only work in a newer version of OpenStack
[23:42:47] <Ryan_Lane>	 no resizes until a newer version
[23:42:55] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh, you need a resize
[23:42:57] <RoanKattouw>	 Right
[23:43:10] <gwicke>	 we don't need a disk resize
[23:43:14] <gwicke>	 just more CPU and RAM
[23:44:21] <gwicke>	 if we need to recreate it anyway, I can try the puppet recipe on that
[23:44:36] <gwicke>	 otherwise I'll rsync / over..