[07:08:55] <pastakhov>	 !bot
[07:08:56] <wm-bot>	 A bot is an automatic process which interacts with MediaWiki as though it were a human editor and is designed to simplify repetitive actions too cumbersome to do manually. An overview of how to create a bot and a list of known frameworks can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Creating_a_bot
[07:59:28] <boy>	 'morning
[08:00:36] <boy>	 I wrote a patch for yesterday's problem == one is unable to embed a bmp image through an external link ( http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images#Files_at_other_websites )
[08:00:42] <boy>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Project:Sandbox&oldid=556030
[11:14:20] <Krinkle>	 hashar: We've got company
[11:14:21] <Krinkle>	 http://integration.wmflabs.org/testswarm/user/browserstack
[11:14:22] <Krinkle>	 a living swarm!
[11:14:43] <Krinkle>	 http://integration.wmflabs.org/testswarm/job/2
[11:15:55] <hashar>	 OH MY GOD!!
[11:16:13] <hashar>	 \O/
[11:16:32] <hashar>	 will check that after lunch
[11:16:33] <hashar>	 kudos!!
[11:16:35] <hashar>	 :-)
[11:17:18] <hashar>	 Krinkle: feel free to adapt the testswarm submit job :-D
[11:17:25] <Krinkle>	 easy now..
[11:17:32] <Krinkle>	 :D
[11:17:37] <hashar>	 we can make Jenkins send job request this afternoon :-]
[11:17:49] <hashar>	 could even send them to both the oldl and the new testswarm
[11:18:06] <hashar>	 oldl / old
[11:18:36] <hashar>	 I am out for now
[11:18:58] <Krinkle>	 hashar: k
[11:19:09] <Krinkle>	 hashar: btw, we don't need both. the old one is practically dead
[11:19:14] <hashar>	 yeah
[11:19:32] <hashar>	 lunnhchh
[12:27:27] <hashar>	 back
[12:45:28] <Krinkle>	 hashar: alrighty
[12:45:41] <Krinkle>	 currently going through some IE9 bugs that I discovered through swarm now
[12:49:08] <^demon>	 Krinkle: I just realized the commit msg wrapping isn't needed at all as of Gerrit 2.4.x
[12:49:14] <^demon>	 example commit on 2.4: https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/#/c/36510/
[12:50:12] <Krinkle>	 ^demon: Hm... wrapped server side? Was your commit changed?
[12:50:28] <^demon>	 It's put in a pretty little box :)
[12:50:44] <hashar>	 still good to have them wrapped for people doing 'git log' in a terminal
[12:50:51] <hashar>	 I hate it when it wraps badly :-]
[12:50:56] <^demon>	 Another random commit: https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/#/c/35221/
[12:51:30] <^demon>	 hashar: Yeah, proper formatting is still nice for CLI users, but I'm just saying gerrit fixed the "people who write long commit messages give gerrit a horiz. scrollbar"
[12:52:16] <hashar>	 that is a good news
[12:52:22] <hashar>	 I am pretty sure nike opened a bug for it
[12:52:29] <hashar>	 (in our bug tracker I mean)
[12:53:16] <hashar>	 57 bugs under git/gerrit component :-(
[13:01:54] <hashar>	 git is really crazy stuff
[13:02:21] <hashar>	 git log --oneline --check
[13:02:22] <hashar>	 !!
[13:02:22] <wm-bot>	 A red exclamation mark (!) in the recent changes or on your watchlist means that edit is not patrolled yet. Read more about patrolling at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Patrolled_edits and configuration at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgUseRCPatrol
[13:02:35] <hashar>	 that would display commits introducing whitespaces
[13:03:30] <hashar>	 which mean I could add a step in jenkins to reject a commit :-]
[13:56:29] <Krinkle>	 hashar: watch this http://integration.wmflabs.org/testswarm/job/3
[13:56:40] <Krinkle>	 I enabled all browsers according to wmf traffic stats
[13:56:42] <Krinkle>	 :D
[13:56:59] <Krinkle>	 there is a 10 browser simultan limit, so it will take a minute, but still pretty quick
[13:57:08] <Reedy>	 Pfft
[13:57:10] <Reedy>	 I'm on chrome 21
[13:57:54] <Krinkle>	 wmf non-mobile traffic > 0.1% (minus ones not in browerstack)
[13:58:10] <Krinkle>	 Opera 11.1 and 11.5 are off the radar
[13:58:55] <hashar>	 I love the "work in progress" icons
[13:59:07] <hashar>	 so I guess we can drop the debian package ? ;-D
[13:59:23] <hashar>	 though we will probably want to write some puppet class
[13:59:40] <hashar>	 Krinkle: we need a video capture of the tests being worked on :-]
[14:00:19] <Krinkle>	 yeah, I made those spinning icons
[14:00:24] <Krinkle>	 css3 animation :)
[14:00:31] <hashar>	 ohhhh
[14:00:36] <hashar>	 \O/
[14:00:50] <Krinkle>	 http://ganglia.wmflabs.org/latest/?r=20min&cs=&ce=&c=integration&h=integration-apache1&tab=m&vn=&mc=2&z=medium&metric_group=ALLGROUPS
[14:01:07] <Krinkle>	 hashar: maybe CACHE_ANYTHING?
[14:01:30] <hashar>	 I think I have set it to use apc
[14:01:50] * Krinkle  tries CACHE_ANYTHING - especially resource loader computation is central here

[14:01:56] <Krinkle>	 well, it doesn't really matter though
[14:02:01] <Krinkle>	 I'm gonna remove mediawiki from it soon
[14:02:21] <Krinkle>	 i just installed there because I need to point it to the inject.js file from that swarm
[18:09:09] <tewwy>	 Thanks, kaldari, bsitu. Just want to know what gerrit commits you plan on releasing. :-)
[18:09:33] <kaldari>	 all of PageTriage changes in master branch
[18:10:08] <kaldari>	 plus ClickTracking update for E3 to test.wiki
[18:12:06] <tewwy>	 Looks all reviewed. I thought some of it wasn't reviewed
[18:13:51] <tewwy>	 I only see this: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/13289/
[18:16:50] <kaldari>	 yes, the ClickTracking change is not yet reviewed
[18:16:59] <kaldari>	 but we're doing that one this afternoon
[18:17:32] <kaldari>	 If anyone wants to review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/13289/ in the meantime, that would be awesome :)
[18:17:37] <tewwy>	 kaldari: Okay, so I suppose you're already starting the deploy then.
[18:18:00] <kaldari>	 yeah, we're doing PageTriage deploy to wmf6 first
[18:18:09] <tewwy>	 I'll look at it and +1 it. You proceed with E2 deploy and when it's on test, tell Fabrice.
[18:18:09] <kaldari>	 and then testing on test.wiki
[18:18:19] <kaldari>	 will do
[18:18:46] <kaldari>	 alolita: ^
[18:33:50] <Ryan_Lane>	 did someone just deploy?
[18:34:02] <StevenW>	 Yeah things are fucked up.
[18:34:09] <Ryan_Lane>	 indeed they are
[18:34:57] <tewwy>	 Ryan_Lane: kaldari: yeah, we're doing PageTriage deploy to wmf6 first
[18:35:13] <Ryan_Lane>	 where are you doing this?
[18:35:32] <Ryan_Lane>	 is the bot broken?
[18:35:35] <Ryan_Lane>	 I don't see logs
[18:35:57] <tewwy>	 I'm not sure he's started.
[18:36:02] <kaldari>	 that's hashar's change not ours
[18:36:16] <kaldari>	 get on wikimedia-tech for the lags
[18:36:17] <kaldari>	 logs
[18:36:48] <Ryan_Lane>	 ah, so you guys didn't start yet, then?
[18:38:07] <kaldari>	 The E2 deployment has only been pushed to test so far
[18:38:14] <kaldari>	 i.e. wmf6, not wmf5
[18:39:04] <kaldari>	 hashar pushed out a config change a few minutes ago though
[18:39:11] <kaldari>	 unrelated to our deployment
[18:41:08] <hashar>	 so I have pushed a few changes made to CommonSettings.php that were unrelated and tested on 'beta' / tested by me manually
[18:41:17] <hashar>	 somehow something is screwed out so I just reverted all the cchanges
[18:41:26] <hashar>	 sorry for the trouble with your deployment :-(((
[18:42:45] <kaldari>	 hashar: are all the config issues cleaned up at this point, i.e. is it safe for us to proceed with our push to wmf5?
[18:42:55] <hashar>	 yeah totally
[18:43:06] <hashar>	 that is an unrelated change doing some magic for beta
[18:43:21] <hashar>	 I instantly reverted to the previous safe version
[18:45:59] <Ryan_Lane>	 yeah. sorry. I assume that since a deploy is going on, that site issues like that are related
[18:46:08] <Ryan_Lane>	 hashar: you didn't check to see if a deploy was scheduled?
[18:46:10] <Ryan_Lane>	 tsk tsk :)
[18:48:07] <hashar>	 I should do that stuff during european morning
[18:48:10] <hashar>	 that is quieter :-]
[18:48:21] <hashar>	 so anyway, that postpone it to at least monday ;-]
[18:52:16] <kaldari>	 about to run a scap if that's cool with everyone
[18:54:45] <kaldari>	 scap started
[18:55:00] <apergos>	 exciting
[18:55:33] <bsitu>	 yeap, :)
[19:08:36] <HASHAR>	 kaldari: scap finished?
[20:11:34] <robla>	 is there any substantive work needed anymore for us to enable HTML5 by default, other than giving fair warning before we flip the switch?
[20:12:14] <^demon|away>	 Nothing comes to mind offhand, but I wasn't ever deeply involved.
[20:12:24] <brion_>	 in theory i think it should just be a flip
[20:12:44] <^demon>	 Let's give brion his shell access back and let him flip it ;-)
[20:12:50] <brion_>	 noooo :)
[20:13:00] <brion_>	 ^demon, i'm still getting moderation holds on mediawiki-commits for gerrit msgs :(
[20:13:03] <^demon>	 You can't resist forever
[20:13:23] <^demon>	 robla: Can we push on getting me admin access to the list so I can fix ^?
[20:13:40] <robla>	 last time we tried, we broke a bunch of bots, and I'll bet it still does.  If we give fair warning before doing it though, there shouldn't be a problem.
[20:14:15] <^demon>	 No matter how much warning you give, there will still be broken bots. But more warning is better :)
[20:14:20] <robla>	 ^demon: do we have an RT ticket in for that?
[20:14:25] <^demon>	 Nope, not that I know of.
[20:14:44] <^demon>	 Should just be a simple matter of changing the list admin password for it and sending me said password.
[20:14:49] <^demon>	 But yeah, I can file in RT for that
[20:15:03] <robla>	 thanks
[20:15:16] <robla>	 ops is pretty ticket-operated  :)
[20:15:41] <^demon>	 I miss the old days when I could go "Hey brion, mind changing this for me?" "Sure, one sec"
[20:15:43] <^demon>	 :)
[20:18:08] <brion>	 yeah though that only scales so far :)
[20:18:40] <^demon>	 robla: https://rt.wikimedia.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=3203
[20:19:27] <^demon>	 brion: We just need to webscale you
[20:19:32] <robla>	 I was going to make a MongoDB joke, but those are pretty 2010
[20:19:37] <brion>	 ：）
[20:22:36] <Reedy>	 robla: yeah, that sounds right for html5. Give some notices. Flip the switch. Go hide for a few weeks
[20:23:50] <robla>	 I had forgotten it was already on mediawiki.org.  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27478
[20:24:03] <^demon>	 robla: Can we get these? http://www.zazzle.com/i_would_prefer_t_shirts-235689879400316433 http://www.zazzle.com/2_lgtm_tee_shirt-235862924096653439
[20:24:35] <robla>	 oh lord
[20:25:22] <^demon>	 I'll probably buy the "I would prefer" one :)
[20:27:33] <robla>	 http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Software_deployments#Near-term_to_be_scheduled <-now with HTML5
[20:39:24] <jorm>	 robla, ^demon, brion: possibly relevant to your interests: http://getbarkeep.org/
[20:40:34] <robla>	 purty
[20:41:42] <^demon>	 Their workflow is post-commit though, wonder if that's configurable.
[20:42:15] <jorm>	 it is purty.
[20:42:26] <jorm>	 i didn't see if it was open source.
[20:42:36] <jorm>	 if it is, we could always bolt a pre-commit workflow onto it.
[20:43:14] <^demon>	 Potentially. It's ruby though, which is kind of a turn-off.
[20:43:34] <jorm>	 "Barkeep is unopinionated. Use it with pre-commit or post-commit workflows, and script tools on top of it if you like. "
[20:43:49] <jorm>	 maybe we can kick money to hampton to work on it.
[20:43:50] <^demon>	 Ah, didn't see that.
[20:44:01] <^demon>	 I was reading https://github.com/ooyala/barkeep/wiki/Comparing-Barkeep-to-other-code-review-tools
[20:45:01] <^demon>	 Worth installing and giving it a shot. I do like the fact that they've used Reitveld, Phabricator and Gerrit before writing this.
[20:45:29] <^demon>	 They obviously didn't wake up one day and say "Let's write our own code review system" which is totally the wrong way to do it :)
[20:45:38] <jorm>	 you learn the best-of-breed by playing with the worst-of-breed. usually this involves playing in shit, though.
[20:45:53] <jorm>	 Let's write our own wiki.
[20:46:31] <robla>	 heh...look how many checkmarks gerrit gets  :)
[20:47:06] <^demon>	 Naturally handles pre-commit? That what it *does*
[20:47:51] <robla>	 yeah, Gerrit pretty much stopms the competition in that area
[20:47:51] <^demon>	 It also has syntax-highlighted diffs, if not the prettiest :)
[20:48:14] <robla>	 "fast, clutter free UI", maybe not so much
[20:48:25] <^demon>	 Yeah that's kinda their biggest failing point.
[20:48:30] <^demon>	 That and "Small hackable codebase"
[20:48:31] <robla>	 "light on process"...*sigh*
[20:48:36] <^demon>	 but that's improving with plugins in 2.5 :)