[00:04:41] They're all asleep in Berlin. [00:12:00] Berlin? [00:12:11] Ich Bin ein Berliner mode on? [00:30:35] More like: it's 0230 local time, do you know where your geek is? [09:06:05] I am newbie in mediawiki Extension development , I have seen an article regarding mediawiki extension development in http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-mediawiki/index.html?ca=dgr-lnxw82MediaWikidth-OS the code for the extension is in http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52050990/CHTimeStamp.zip but I am getting the error "[19cfa0ea] 2012-06-03 08:58:41: Fatal exception of type MWException" in the index.php itself [10:01:39] YuviPanda: can you please provide resources regarding detailed information on MW extension development? [10:02:04] Copy. Paste. [14:33:39] for an extension i'm developing that uses webgl, i'm thinking of using browser feature detection to determine whether a user has webgl enabled on their browser, and returning an interactive model if they do and a static image representation of that model if they don't. this feature detection approach would require using javascript sent over with the initial response payload to run a short... [14:33:41] ...feature detection script, then request either the webgl model or the static image. does this approach sound reasonable? [14:34:22] graceful fallback is always nice [14:34:31] Emw: sounds reasonably sane [14:34:40] i'd recommend also a non-javascript

ResourceLoader is pretty friendly to the 'load a small module, then load a big module if we need it" approach [14:35:28] it may also be reasonable to just load the static image always, then replace it with the dynamic display once the module loads [14:38:50] would that latter approach with initially loading a static image then transitioning to an interactive model be distracting? this approach sounds good, other than that potential drawback [14:41:33] the default state of the model and the static image could likely be made to show the subject (e.g. a protein structure like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRCA1) in the same orientation, but coloring would likely be noticeably different between the image and model, and the model wouldn't be ray-traced while the image would be [14:57:46] TimStarling: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31932#c5 [18:39:36] could I get a dev to take a look at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Assessments#Stray_HTML_syntax.3F ? [18:40:42] Danny_B|backup: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:ResourceLoader_navigation [18:44:34] Raymond_: back? [18:46:35] Danny_B|backup: back in Cologne since 5 minute [18:46:37] s [18:47:38] Krinkle you have a minute to look into the matter? [18:49:17] ToAruShiroiNeko: Can you give me an example link on WIkipedia where this happens? [18:59:07] Krinkle well [18:59:08] commons [18:59:28] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Assessments/translate/en [19:00:20] it is just {{int:Wikipedia}} [19:06:55] ToAruShiroiNeko: The error is on Wikipedia, right? [19:07:23] It happens on Commons as well [19:07:29] This is simply an error, should be reverted. [19:07:30] simple [19:14:12] Krinkle I want {{int:Wikipedia}} to work though [19:14:31] the word wikipedia is localised right? [19:14:45] No, there is no such message, there never was and likely never will be [19:14:57] Use {{GRAMMER}} for this. [19:15:34] That template is a complete mess, I don't feel like digging into it now. [19:15:44] I hope you know where this int:Wikipedia is happening and can fix it? [19:17:40] Krinkle yes [19:17:45] but how would I localise wikipedia? [19:17:55] I dont want to craft a switch for it [19:18:41] GRAMMER is a parser function? [19:45:55] * ToAruShiroiNeko stabs Krinkle :p [20:27:41] ToAruShiroiNeko: I already gave the answer [20:27:57] Now it is your turn :) [20:33:45] You havent [20:33:54] it is frustrating when I am not given the answer I need :p [20:34:13] Krinkle I need a way to access localizations of the word "Wikipedia" [20:34:26] I gave you a hint [20:34:32] You can do so with {{GRAMMER:}} [20:34:51] You need to pass it the word and the grammar form (context of sentence) [20:34:55] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages.git;a=blob;f=WikimediaGrammarForms.php [20:36:16] how would I tell {{GRAMMER:}} to translate wikipedia? [20:38:21] Why no try RTFM? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Localisation [20:38:49] ToAruShiroiNeko, you want translations of "Wikipedia"? [20:41:01] http://toolserver.org/~platonides/InterwikiPool/InterwikiPool.php?art=Wikipedia&wikidb=enwiki&show=all [20:52:52] Reedy there is nothing on there that does what I am looking for [20:52:58] RTFQ. [20:52:59] :p [20:53:51] I want to determine the localization of "Wikipedia" by inputing the language code [20:54:54] something like {{#language:en}} which returns "English" [20:59:17] ToAruShiroiNeko, there isn't a parserfunction for the translation of each word [20:59:37] there's one for language names just because MediaWiki needs to know them [20:59:55] you can easily get a list from the url I provided [21:00:12] you'd need to make a switch yourself if you really need it as a function [21:04:42] Platonides: That tool doesn't help anything in wikitext [21:04:52] Use {{GRAMMER:}} [21:04:57] Krinkle, it helps in getting the translation [21:05:09] Wikimedia websites have translations of all site names in different grammar forms [21:05:18] Platonides: doesn't' matter, isn't' relevant here, sorry [21:06:20] what do grammar forms have to do with translations of the word 'Wikipedia'? :s [21:07:43] I am confused [21:07:49] * ToAruShiroiNeko hurts Krinkle in confusion :p [21:07:58] if it doesnt exist can it be implemented? [21:08:15] * Platonides cuts the cat's nails [21:08:26] * ToAruShiroiNeko uses tackle [21:08:57] ToAruShiroiNeko: Have you tried? [21:08:59] TRY! [21:09:01] Anything [21:09:09] Take a random guess [21:09:47] Krinkle I dont know the syntax [21:11:11] all I get is a redlink to Template:GRAMMER:Wikipedia [21:11:55] ToAruShiroiNeko, http://pastebin.com/Zjwawz99 [21:12:01] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikimediaMessages <- take a look? [21:12:15] ToAruShiroiNeko, https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Grammar [21:12:54] Platonides I DONT want to use a switch if possible [21:13:27] You don't need a switch [21:13:58] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages.git;a=blob;f=WikimediaGrammarForms.php [21:14:06] Amgine|Berlin, there isn't a message with just a Wikipedia word [21:14:23] There is no message, but there is a grammar form [21:14:38] I am looking at 5 tabs at the moment [21:15:01] how does that help? [21:15:06] it doesnt [21:15:07] Platonides: No, I was looking for some documentation of the extension, and not finding any. [21:15:13] Krinkle can you just type what I need to type? [21:15:17] No [21:15:47] you arent providing me with any documentation [21:16:15] I dont see the purpose of that php code [21:16:49] Again [21:16:50] RTFM [21:16:51] {{GRAMMAR:N|word}} where N is the name of the grammatical form needed and word is the word being operated on. See an example in Finnish - wikitext {{GRAMMAR:elative|wiki}} produces wikistä in Finnish. [21:16:57] Krinkle, {{GRAMMAR: 1|Wikipedia}} in la: gives out "Wikipedia", not "Vicipaedia" [21:17:19] {{GRAMMAR:elative|Wikipedia}} produces Wikipedia on commons [21:17:35] I want to give it the language parameter [21:19:49] something like {{GRAMMAR:fi|Wikipedia}} for finish name for wikipedia [21:21:12] as I want to use it on commons [21:22:36] ToAruShiroiNeko, I see no other way than a #switch or making 250 messages in MediaWiki: namespace [21:23:22] but #language works [21:23:36] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Projectname [21:23:43] because MediaWiki knows all the languages it supports [21:23:51] it uses it for eg. the language preference [21:23:56] or when you install MediaWiki [21:23:59] right [21:24:07] it doesnt know all localizations for wikipedia? [21:24:13] no [21:24:13] MediaWiki doesn't know how to translate "Wikipedia" [21:24:19] ToAruShiroiNeko: It is already done on Commons. [21:24:29] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Projectname <- right there. [21:24:30] where? [21:24:35] it's just a name someone used for the project namespace [21:27:24] Amgine|Berlin does not do what I need [21:27:27] that just links [21:27:33] Platonides fine [21:30:44] It does not link: it simply produces the user's localized name for the project.