[01:09:05] <Brooke>	 kaldari: It's active on test.wikipedia.org now?
[01:10:35] <kaldari>	 yeah, but the i18n messages are still broken :(
[01:10:40] <Brooke>	 Hmmm.
[01:10:45] <kaldari>	 http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesaurus
[01:10:46] <Brooke>	 I don't see it anywhere. Is it behind a user pref?
[01:10:57] <Brooke>	 Oh.
[01:11:00] <Brooke>	 That's where it's going?
[01:11:02] <Brooke>	 That's... wrong.
[01:11:12] <kaldari>	 does it say "<lastmodified-minutes>" for you?
[01:11:15] <Brooke>	 Yes.
[01:11:21] <Brooke>	 But it's on the same line as the <h1>.
[01:11:26] <Brooke>	 I thought it was going above the tabs.
[01:11:37] <Brooke>	 You can't put it near the <h1>.
[01:11:46] <Brooke>	 It'll hit all kinds of icons.
[01:11:48] <Brooke>	 And long titles.
[01:12:01] <Brooke>	 It also has some craaaaaazy URL.
[01:12:30] <kaldari>	 I'm not involved in the development on that one, just the deployment. But I'll pass along the suggestion
[01:12:42] <Brooke>	 It's not a suggestion...
[01:12:48] <kaldari>	 yeah, it's doing click-tracking on the link
[01:12:50] <Brooke>	 It _will_ break the layout in that position.
[01:12:53] <Brooke>	 Why?
[01:12:56] <kaldari>	 no idea
[01:13:00] <Brooke>	 Hmmm.
[01:13:06] <kaldari>	 I'm not involved in this one
[01:13:08] <Brooke>	 Who is the development person?
[01:13:11] <Brooke>	 Steven?
[01:13:16] <kaldari>	 Ori
[01:13:21] <kaldari>	 he's a new guy
[01:13:32] <kaldari>	 and Steven
[01:13:41] <Brooke>	 Thanks. :-)
[01:13:44] <kaldari>	 Steven would be the best person to complain to
[01:15:07] <kaldari>	 Brooke: Initially it's only going to show up for like 1 in 60,000 articles or something like that
[01:15:39] <Brooke>	 There's some display:none; code in there right now.
[01:15:44] <Brooke>	 Not sure what that's about.
[01:16:16] <Brooke>	 https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesaurus?uselang=test
[01:16:25] <kaldari>	 it's display:none by default and if the script decides it should be shown (based on bucketing and various other calculations) it unhides it.
[01:16:25] <Brooke>	 That shows "Last updated 1 hour ago" BTW.
[01:16:46] <Brooke>	 Seems convoluted.
[01:16:57] <kaldari>	 the bad message must have gotten cached before the i18n was rebuilt
[01:17:02] <Brooke>	 I guess just turning it on would be too simple and straightforward.
[01:17:19] <Brooke>	 And wouldn't help with editor engagement!!!!!!!!!
[01:18:15] <kaldari>	 FWIW, I think putting it above the tabs would be a bit confusing, as it's not obvious it's talking about the article content
[01:18:52] <Brooke>	 I've had it above the tabs for years.
[01:18:53] <Brooke>	 It's convenient.
[01:19:17] <kaldari>	 oh well, not my fish to fry
[01:19:32] <Brooke>	 Think of the Global South.
[01:19:38] <kaldari>	 I don't even like it in either spot really :P
[01:20:05] <Brooke>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stripped_MediaWiki_interface.png is how I have MediaWiki now.
[01:21:32] <kaldari>	 very utilitarian
[01:21:57] <Brooke>	 :D
[01:22:23] <Brooke>	 I think "log out" should be changed to "die" for everyone. (o;
[01:22:34] <kaldari>	 I agree
[01:27:35] <Brooke>	 https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesaurus?uselang=test <-- I added the featured article icon.
[01:27:57] <kaldari>	 not terrible
[01:28:08] <kaldari>	 but it's all interface clutter to me :P
[01:29:44] <kaldari>	 I'm trying to push for us implementing some kind of expandable "gadget shelf" or something similar so that all these no interface elements and gadgets actually have somewhere to live (instead of whereever there happens to be whitespace left)
[01:29:55] <kaldari>	 no=new
[01:31:52] <Brooke>	 https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesaurus?uselang=test
[01:32:02] <Brooke>	 It looks pretty bad.
[01:32:07] <Brooke>	 I'm going to file a bug or two.
[01:32:36] <Brooke>	 Trevor did some work on that.
[01:32:40] <Brooke>	 Extension:ArticleEmblems
[01:32:49] <Brooke>	 But I think you're talking about something slightly differently.
[01:34:23] <kaldari>	 yeah, not so much for icons and things, but more significant interfaces, like ArticleFeedback, Moodbar, the 'curation toolbar' that will eventually be part of PageTriage, etc.
[01:34:50] <kaldari>	 and maybe gadgets like Twinkle
[01:35:05] <kaldari>	 that have significant interfaces
[01:35:27] <kaldari>	 like a drawer you can slide open on the page
[01:35:29] <Brooke>	 I think it'd be better to just disable that crap.
[01:35:33] <Brooke>	 Because it's stupid. :-)
[01:35:45] <Brooke>	 KISS and all that.
[01:35:48] <kaldari>	 true
[01:50:43] <Brooke>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37255
[02:03:23] <kaldari>	 Brooke: They don't actually overlap normally
[02:03:31] <kaldari>	 I think that's related to some customization you have
[02:03:40] <Brooke>	 kaldari: Hmm, I doubt it.
[02:03:44] <Brooke>	 I made a new account.
[02:04:09] <Brooke>	 You have to dismiss test.wikipedia.org's sitenotice to get the icons in proper position.
[02:04:15] <Brooke>	 They're absolutely positioned from the top of the page.
[02:04:17] <kaldari>	 ah
[02:04:27] <kaldari>	 well, that's dumb
[02:04:34] <kaldari>	 :)
[02:04:44] <Brooke>	 Yes. :-)
[02:05:57] <kaldari>	 in that case, I don't think there is anywhere to put it that's logical
[02:06:09] <kaldari>	 we seem to have every corner occupied
[02:06:32] <kaldari>	 oh well, we'll see what they say in the bug
[02:06:58] <kaldari>	 later
[03:21:36] <Emw>	 in this extension i'm developing i need to transform data in a plain-text into an image.  i initially thought it would make most sense to do that upon finishing upload of the file, rather than upon the first request of that file.  however, i've gotten further into development and see that a conventional place to transform data into an image is in the doTransform() method.  what are disadvantages t
[03:21:38] <Emw>	 o transforming a media file to an image in the onUploadComplete() hook rather than in the doTransform() method?
[03:21:48] <Emw>	 in a plain-text file*
[12:15:36] <hashar>	 bla blah
[12:15:38] <hashar>	 so I landed
[12:15:42] <hashar>	 I got internet
[12:15:43] <hashar>	 now
[12:15:49] <hashar>	 HACK STUFF (please?)
[12:16:15] * guillom  waves at hashar.

[12:16:23] <hashar>	 guillom: where are you?
[12:20:05] <Reedy>	 hashar: come to the venue
[12:20:10] <hashar>	 Reedy: I am in
[12:20:10] <Reedy>	 oh
[12:20:18] <hashar>	 I feel lame
[12:20:19] <hashar>	 sometime
[12:20:20] <Reedy>	 I looked up and saw you immediately after writing that
[12:20:21] <hashar>	 :-D
[12:20:23] * hashar  waves

[12:20:46] <hashar>	 how do you like my .dblist tests in operations/mediawiki-config ? :-D
[12:21:08] <hashar>	 I might end up setting up a jenkins jobs that will automatically deploy changes if test succeed
[12:21:15] <hashar>	 (but don't tell anyone)
[12:35:15] <apergos>	 there's 76 people in here you just told :-P
[12:37:02] <guillom>	 I'm sure ChanServ will leak the info.
[12:37:25] <apergos>	 he spies on everyone, figures
[12:47:11] <hashar>	 apergos: are you there too ?
[12:47:25] <apergos>	 I am here.  where is there?
[12:47:32] <hashar>	 lol
[12:47:37] <hashar>	 at the Berlin Venue
[12:47:43] <apergos>	 no
[12:47:45] <apergos>	 can't travel
[12:48:58] <hashar>	 ohhh
[12:49:07] <hashar>	 we I will have to move to Greece one day
[12:49:12] <hashar>	 afk
[12:49:16] <hashar>	 listening to krinkle for now
[12:57:50] * werdna  waves

[12:57:53] <werdna>	 who's about?
[12:58:28] <werdna>	 hmm, I assume people are at hackathon :)
[12:58:41] <aude>	 werdna: are you coming?
[12:58:54] <werdna>	 not this time, I have too much on this weekend :(
[12:59:00] * aude  cries :(

[12:59:10] <werdna>	 not to mention, I'm leaving Australia for quite a while at the start of next month
[12:59:10] <aude>	 but you're coming to wikimania?
[12:59:15] <werdna>	 yes indeedy
[12:59:16] <werdna>	 :)
[12:59:17] <aude>	 yeah
[12:59:20] <aude>	 yay! :)
[12:59:44] <werdna>	 :D
[13:04:24] <werdna>	 looking forward to it very much
[13:07:36] <RoanKattouw_away>	 guillom: Got your e-mail, are you around here somewhere?
[13:07:54] <guillom>	 RoanKattouw_away: in a meeting at the moment, then I'll talk to Gabriel
[13:08:56] <RoanKattouw_away>	 OK
[13:40:40] <Reedy>	 I spy a vvv
[14:28:51] <guillom>	 RoanKattouw_away: I'm available now when you are
[14:54:44] <hashar>	 guillom: are you doing some kind of TL;DListen ? ;-D
[14:55:30] <guillom>	 I'm actually listening :)
[14:55:38] <hashar>	 I am sure you do
[15:31:58] <RoanKattouw>	 guillom: Oh OK I'm back now, but it's only half an hour till we start
[15:33:00] <guillom>	 RoanKattouw: we can try now for 30 min and continue at another time if needed. Or we can do it another time; it's up to you
[15:33:22] <RoanKattouw>	 Hmm OK
[15:33:28] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah let's do that
[15:33:36] <RoanKattouw>	 Where are you at?
[15:33:41] <guillom>	 on your left
[16:11:35] <marktraceur_>	 Can someone please review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7149 ? It's a high-priority bug (bug 32843) that's been fixed for some time now.
[16:11:47] <hashar>	 brion to drink like 120 beers tonight
[16:13:13] <marktraceur_>	 Also, either of https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bug/30625,n,z would be very helpful
[16:15:48] <marktraceur_>	 drecodeam, if you get the chance, could you weigh in on bug 32247?
[16:15:57] <marktraceur_>	 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32247)
[16:25:14] <marktraceur_>	 Anyone else having trouble with gerrit?
[16:25:25] <RoanKattouw_away>	 What's wrong with it?
[16:25:36] <marktraceur_>	 I can't get to the web interface
[16:26:25] <RoanKattouw_away>	 Hah me too
[16:26:33] <RoanKattouw_away>	 No wait it's up for me
[16:26:36] <marktraceur_>	 Oh, there it goes
[16:26:45] <marktraceur_>	 Just had to have someone else poke it, I guess
[16:33:30] <drecodeam>	 marktraceur_: i am a little busy this weekend with the berlin hackathon, although I would surely take a look at it as soon as I get time
[16:34:07] <marktraceur_>	 drecodeam, thanks! It's a bug you'd done work on, I sort of took it in a different direction, I could use another few sets of eyes.
[17:04:06] <drecodeam>	 marktraceur_: I will definitely take a look at it as soon as I get time
[17:34:18] <marktraceur_>	 Is there a style guide for representing dates and times in mediawiki?
[17:35:52] <Reedy>	 we have language based formatting functions for these things in php
[17:35:53] <Reedy>	 I think
[17:36:29] <marktraceur_>	 Reedy, no such luck in JavaScript? I know there's toLocaleString, but I doubt that will support the MW language stuff without some maneuvering
[17:37:01] <Reedy>	 You'd need to ask our i18n folks
[17:37:55] <marktraceur_>	 Righto.
[17:38:48] <marktraceur_>	 How do I get in touch with them?
[17:40:13] <Reedy>	 Ask in #mediawiki-i18n
[17:41:22] <marktraceur_>	 Arigatou
[21:37:19] <Krenair>	 Eloquence, does CU on this ipv6test wiki need identification and > 18yrs like in the production global policy?
[21:38:13] <Krenair>	 I don't have access to a IPv6 address myself but I'd like to play around with the tools to see if there really is anything to worry about here
[21:39:07] <Eloquence>	 meh, added big fat red warning
[21:39:20] <Platonides>	 as the ips are fake, I don't think there's any prvacy issue there
[21:43:32] <Krenair>	 Requested admin & checkuser
[21:45:19] <Eloquence>	 done
[21:45:31] <Eloquence>	 also gave you bureaucrat so you can help with requests :p
[21:45:43] <Krenair>	 ty
[21:46:59] <^demon|away>	 Eloquence: Was there a RfB? ;-)