[00:48:05] TimStarling, AaronSchulz, ^demon|away, I'm in x2003 [01:01:15] ^demon|away, AaronSchulz, TimStarling, I need your input on one commit access requester [01:01:37] ah, looks like someone took care of that one [01:01:45] yep [01:02:20] Aaron and I had a phone meeting [01:02:46] ok. I'll reply to Binaris, Christian, and hashar then [01:03:09] *sumanah ends 15-min silent call with the conference call line [01:04:08] TimStarling: how are you enjoying the gerrit review UI? [01:04:30] still getting used to it [01:04:45] I wish it had URLs for more things [01:05:19] TimStarling: I see you have Sascha's ticket locked atm, let me know when you finish with it? I'm prepping the New Committers email [01:05:51] unlocked [01:15:34] AaronSchulz: you've done some sort of performance testing on SwiftFileBackend haven't you? [01:17:35] I haven't tried to slam it, which I'd want to do on labs or something (otherwise the testing would be slow and useless) [01:18:10] but you've checked things like request counts? [01:19:37] not recently (aside from some quick debugging) [01:20:28] ok [01:21:30] heh, I'm doing that right now [01:24:00] *AaronSchulz hmms [01:32:09] TimStarling: anyway, I do already have the text profiler on [01:36:32] *Aaron|away sees stuff to optimize [15:02:48] I'm helping plan https://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hackathon -- GrafZahl_ do you think you'll be coming to Wikimania? [15:05:36] guillom: may I pm? [15:07:35] sumanah, in 15 min or so? [15:07:39] ok! [15:07:45] great [15:19:03] sumanah, ready when you are [17:32:41] ^demon: I added some of the communications stuff to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git_conversion#Timeline and am working my way through the rest of our notes :) [18:02:43] Amgine: my head is swimming a bit as I try to figure out from that meetings thread when the actual meetings are for the UCOSP team - could you put the times on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/UCOSP_Spring_2012 ? [18:05:49] Hello yoni_omniti ! Are we the only two AFT5 team members here? I see that [18:06:01] hi fabrice [18:06:05] greg is here as well [18:06:09] fabriceflorin: thanks! [18:06:09] I see that RoanKattouw is away. [18:06:23] I'd leave in protest but I'm not sure anyone would notice ;p [18:06:36] Oops, sorry Ironholds, I didn't see you there, behind the bush ;o) [18:06:45] that's no way to talk about my router [18:06:58] What's Greg's handle? [18:07:13] gregchiasson [18:07:36] and reha is here too (rsterbin) [18:08:19] Thanks! Hello gregchiasson and rsterbin! [18:08:23] Howdy. [18:08:26] hey [18:08:45] so we're all here for the AA meeting, right, or did I get the wrong calendar slot again? [18:09:11] Article Afeedback? :) [18:09:21] ...yes, lets say it's that [18:09:49] What do you guys think of the question I just posed on email? Do we need a second 'user rights' for oversighters and aft user groups to delete feedback posts, besides the 'aft-hide' user rights? would we need an 'aft-delete' user right as well? [18:10:02] fabriceflorin, yes. [18:10:20] if we are going to be sticking it quasi-live we *need* some way of deleting information [18:10:38] http://prototype.wikimedia.org/release-en/Special:ArticleFeedbackv5/ - ugly bug is bug. Has this been fixed but not patched yet, or...? [18:10:39] Hello Sumanah, yes, we are hoping to deploy the new feedback page for AFT today -- but this will be a non-public page for testing purposes by our team only. [18:10:53] and also anyone who has participated in the AFT5 development discussion [18:10:59] There already are aftv5-hide-feedback and aftv5-delete-feedback permissions, fwiw. [18:11:04] and, theoretically, anyone any of us decides to give the URL to. So... [18:11:30] we definitely need to include delete-feedback in the aft user group and the OS usergroup [18:11:34] Oversighters can delete/see deleted, and oversight/rollback/sysop can hide/see hidden [18:11:43] you don't need to stick hide-feedback in the oversighters group; all OSers are admins :) [18:11:51] (if you've already done it, no worries, obviously) [18:11:54] Ironholds, can you send us an email detailing how you got the bug you report above? Please list every step you took to get it. [18:11:56] fabriceflorin: so, that'll make a nice new status for https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Article_feedback/status :-D [18:12:09] fabriceflorin: Okay; I went to http://prototype.wikimedia.org/release-en/Special:ArticleFeedbackv5/. Done ;p [18:12:28] that's the entirety of the details. If you remove the page-specific URL from the AFT5 page link, it breaks. [18:12:34] Looks like you get that bug just going to the page without a pagename in the url. [18:12:37] yeah [18:12:39] That's an easy fix. [18:12:43] cool :) [18:12:47] Thanks, Gregchiason, you are three steps ahead of us! So does Roan know about these user rights? [18:13:00] Which I suppose raises the question of why I didn't fix it in the first place, but that's neither here nor there. [18:13:46] how are we controlling who can get to it, btw? [18:14:00] because one interpid user is currently fiddling through the source code looking for how access is permitted [18:15:16] OK, http://prototype.wikimedia.org/release-en/Special:ArticleFeedbackv5/ shouldn't be erroring horribly anymore. [18:15:59] woah! [18:16:03] gregchiasson: fast fix! :D [18:16:21] What I lack in doing things right, I try to make up for in fixing problems quickly. [18:17:00] hehe [18:17:28] you're getting no complaints from me :). So, how are we stopping any bozo from finding the page? [18:20:06] ...anyone? [18:20:50] We aren't. Far as I'm aware the requirements were just for not linking or publishing anything - security through obscurity, basically. [18:20:56] ahh, gotcha [18:21:08] Thanks, gregchiasson. Ironholds, I believe we cannot prevent bozos from finding the page, I'm afraid. That's why it's labeled 'BETA.' [18:21:10] balls [18:21:15] fabriceflorin: indeed [18:21:52] fabriceflorin: just finishing up the report [18:22:03] Dario didn't manage to get a final round of stats to me until midday today GMT, so... [18:23:08] OK, thanks. Let's try to do as much as we can for the report, and review with Howie at 4pm PT. It will be an informal meeting. [18:23:33] 4pm PT? [18:23:50] you mean the presentation slot? [18:27:50] Sumanah, thanks for the reminder. I just updated our status page for Guillaume's report. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Article_feedback/status [18:28:07] Thanks, fabriceflorin! [18:28:39] You're welcome, Summanah, and thank you for keeping us honest! [18:28:56] fabriceflorin: :-) in that case, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Article_feedback/Log is looking a little stale too.... [18:29:25] Ironholds, yes, the only time we could get to review both the slides and the hand-out with Howie is 4pm PT today, sorry. [18:29:26] fabriceflorin: and you can let me and chrismcmahon know when you have test plans + a page you want to be available to volunteer testers [18:30:05] sumanah: fabriceflorin agreed, I've been lurking on this conversation, if there's anything I can help with about testing, I'd be glad to [18:30:22] fabriceflorin: you may have heard that chrismcmahon is our new QA lead [18:30:25] :D [18:30:38] fabriceflorin: okay. I only got to sleep at 2am and woke at 4, so you should be aware that I may be about as useful as a marzipan sledgehammer [18:30:44] although substantially less delicious [18:30:47] *chrismcmahon has been drinking from the firehose yesterday and today, learning a lot quickly [18:30:57] Thanks, Sumanah, will update the log too, after this launch. And will let you and chrismcmahon know when we have test plans. Our target date is Feb. 15 for pre-deployment testing on en-labs, then full deployment on Feb. 22. [18:31:38] *sumanah updates status [18:31:40] Chrismacmahon, nice to meet you here. What's your email address, so I can forward some of our QA plans to you? [18:32:10] fabriceflorin: ping me if feedback on the test plans early on would be useful, also. [18:32:10] Hey, has anyone heard from RoanKattouw_away ? or the real RoanKattouw? [18:32:25] fabriceflorin: I'm cmcmahon at wikimedia [18:33:04] fabriceflorin: I'm here, I was having dinner [18:33:56] fabriceflorin: btw, you may enjoy tab completion in IRC. Works like on the UNIX command line. [18:36:09] sumanah: that may not help. fabriceflorin is a dedicated mapple user ;p [18:40:08] Welcome back, Roan! From your perspective, are we ready to deploy AFT5, with the new feedback page? [18:40:12] Ironholds: fabriceflorin I'm using Colloquy on Mac and tab completion works just fine :) [18:40:24] fabriceflorin: I still have some CR to do [18:40:31] And I see unresolved fixmes [18:40:44] chrismcmahon: sure; I more meant the point of reference may not work [18:40:47] oh, wait, this one is resolved [18:41:28] Thanks, RoanKattouw. GregChiasson, can you give us an update about which of Roan's requests were addressed yesterday? [18:46:08] ChrisMcMahon, I just sent you our QA plans by email, and look forward to your feedback when you get a chance. And yes, I'm on a Mac, using Colloquy. [18:46:43] thanks fabriceflorin reading those [18:47:18] chrismcmahon: i am currently leading the QA efforts from the omniti side, so feel free to cc me on your feedback [18:47:33] thanks yoni_omniti will do [18:48:08] Hi Ironholds, I'm pretty sleep-deprived as well, so we will try to make that meeting short and sweet. If you need more time for the report, we may be able to only release the slides tomorrow, since they are easier to put together -- and easier to discuss one page at a time. Then we could release the longer report later in the week, with all the detailed narrative, if you like. There is no big time pressure on our end. [18:48:27] Most of the fixmes were fixed, there are just a couple left: 110407 is about not escaping a Linker argument (which I think might be, I left a note on Roan's comment there), and a lingering one on 109971, about an asset URL. [18:49:06] There's also an issue with the way the pagination works when sorting by helpfulness/rating, that I'm looking at now. [18:49:11] Yes, and I want to congratulate yoni_omniti for his excellent Master Test Plan, which is included in the email I just sent to ChrisMcMahon. Let's plan to all get together by phone next week ... [18:49:28] fabriceflorin: good idea [18:49:30] fabriceflorin: whoo! any reason we cannot put that testplan up on mediawiki.org? [18:49:39] yoni_omniti: ^^ [18:49:43] for use by the volunteers? [18:50:01] sumanah: the main reason for now being that I'm looking for a convenient way to convert docs into wikiformat [18:50:16] it takes me forever to author a simple document in wiki itself.... [18:50:25] guillom: maybe you know of an easy way to convert from .doc or .docx into wikitext? [18:50:30] Sumanah, we're still getting up to speed on using wikis for this, the wiki tables are nasty to implement, so it's faster to start with email. But we will put all this on a wiki shortly. [18:50:42] uploaded PDF also works [18:50:45] just to start with [18:50:48] converting is done by a bunch of tools, images are more of a problem [18:50:52] sumanah, there are scripts / plug-ins to convert ODPs to wikitext [18:50:57] I'm looking forward to the visual editor [18:51:04] so if you can open your doc / docx in LibreOffice, you should be able to [18:51:14] uploading a pdf has the (dis)advantage of other people not being able to modify it [18:51:18] True. [18:51:45] But right now I just want the test plan avail for people to follow - that should be a pretty 2-min thing to do and then we can work on making a reasonable wikified thing [18:52:01] guillom: libre messed up my ms office install, found something more lightweight - trying it out [18:52:23] sumanah: ok, can do [18:52:34] you can also fwd to someone with lbreoffice and ask them to do it for you -- guillom seems to have volunteered (just kidding) [18:52:43] heh [18:52:52] chrismcmahon: you with me? your opinion is going to be more important than mine on these matters pretty soon [18:52:54] another question: who handles SVN commit access accounts in WMF? [18:52:58] I do [18:53:13] expect requests :) [18:53:14] you might have seen "sincerely, Sumana Harihareswara" on some emails from the commit access address [18:53:24] yoni_omniti: understood. [18:53:36] sumanah: ^^ seen it :) was making sure I'm not wrong [18:53:39] we generally run through those requests in a queue processing meeting on Tuesdays [18:53:45] No prob :) [18:53:55] yoni_omniti: if anything's more urgent than that, feel free to ping me [18:54:05] cool, thanks [18:54:25] I live in New York City and if I'm not around, often Tim Starling or Sam Reed can help you, as they are in Australia and England respectively [18:54:40] (in case anything is very urgent) [18:54:45] I'm in MD so our timezones match [18:54:58] Cheers! [18:55:20] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developers is a directory you may find useful. [18:55:38] great [18:55:41] needed that [18:56:01] yoni_omniti: http://toolserver.org/~krinkle/wikimedia-svn-users.php is more informative on names and addresses but doesn't tell you what people work on [18:56:34] yoni_omniti: I assume you've also been pointed to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:MediaWiki_architecture and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Roadmap [18:56:41] to the extent that you want or need them [18:56:42] sumanah: it does include what people filled in on "project" in there USERINFO file under "Work" column [18:56:56] (never mind) [18:57:06] Krinkle is superiour, all hail Krinkle! [18:57:07] (links overload)... [18:57:14] :) [18:57:16] *Krinkle Dinner [18:57:18] dinner time! [18:59:21] Bon app??tit, Krinkle! [18:59:32] thx [19:00:18] Hey Roan, how are things coming along on your end? Can we help you with anything? [19:00:25] I'm almost done CRing [19:00:33] so guillom, for https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_engineering_report/2012/January the ones you're missing are Upload Wizard, TimedMediaHandler, ResourceLoader, SOPA stuff, and a bunch of mobile updates? [19:00:35] Cool, thanks. [19:01:23] Hello HowieF, Roan is still reviewing code. We're all here to help him with any questions, with three OmniTI developers on this IRC channel. [19:01:43] hi howief ! [19:02:08] sumanah, yes; currently discussing it in the monthly review session with tech directors [19:02:31] oh ok! [19:02:32] nm [19:03:05] hey everyone [19:03:07] thanks for the update! [19:04:25] You're welcome, HowieF. We have been using the last hour productively, by discussing our QA plans with Sumanah and ChrisMcMahon, who is also here. [19:04:49] great [19:05:27] I would also like to thank Guillom for his patience and guidance in helping me update the status page for AFTv5. [19:05:44] fabriceflorin, you're welcome :) [19:07:01] ;o) [19:12:00] fabriceflorin: on two servers now I've seen an article feedback widget entitled "rate this page" that I don't think is mentioned in the docs you sent me. is the "rate this page" widget in its final form, or is it still being worked on? [19:12:55] Hi Chris, good question! There is an earlier version of the Article Feedback Tool, called v4, which is still running for another month or so, until AFTv5 is ready for wide deployment. [19:13:30] got it [19:13:32] You can read about AFTv5 here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Article_feedback/Version_5 -- and read about AFTv4 here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Article_feedback [19:14:56] And here is the feature requirements link for the feedback page which we hope to launch today, when Roan is ready (this is for a limited, non-public release, for testing by our team and community workgroup only): http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Article_feedback/Version_5/Feature_Requirements#Feedback_page [19:15:29] <^demon> fabriceflorin: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Article_feedback/Version_[1-4] don't seem to exist ;-) [19:16:07] ^Demon, here's the link to AFTv4 info: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Article_feedback [19:16:32] I seem to have been seeing Version 2 in the places I've been hanging out. (labs mostly) [19:16:59] If you want to preview AFTv5, go to this sample page on en-wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden-crowned_Sparrow?bucket=1&debug=true [19:17:20] <^demon> Oh I don't go to enwiki anymore :) [19:17:51] <^demon> fabriceflorin: I was just giving you a hard time ;-) [19:17:56] To switch between the 3 options we are testing for AFTv5, simply change the bucket number in the URL to be 1, 2 or 3. Here's Option 2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden-crowned_Sparrow?bucket=2&debug=true [19:18:07] ^demon hehe! [19:18:27] And here's Option 3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden-crowned_Sparrow?bucket=3&debug=true [19:19:29] You can read up about the three different forms here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Article_feedback/Version_5/Feature_Requirements#Option_1 [19:20:22] OK, CR is done [19:21:00] I'm gonna go to the bathroom real quick, and then I'll prep the deployment [19:21:16] Yeah, Roan! [19:21:36] <^demon> RoanKattouw: You don't have to give us the play-by-play ;-) [19:22:02] *RoanKattouw dumps some TMI on ^demon [19:23:12] Feels good not to be on top of the Wall of Shame for once. [19:24:19] <^demon> Well I named it that for a reason. Glad to see it had the desired effect :) [19:24:19] sounds like it's safe to take a short break, back in a few... [19:26:58] Hey Greg and Yoni, from your standpoint, what are the next steps for Roan before deployment? Should he first set up the 'aft' user group? Then assign user rights to it and to all the other user groups? Then deploy the code? Or do you recommend another sequence? [19:28:47] aft user group? Are we not just using Rollback, Reviewer, sysop and oversight? [19:28:59] Also, Yoni_omniti, can you please email us all your English Wikipedia user names, so we can put you guys in the 'aft' user group? [19:29:16] There's supposed to be an AFT group that has the same rights as oversighters on the AFT page. [19:29:32] Yoni_OmniTI, gchiasson, rsterbin [19:29:37] err [19:29:38] <^demon> Wait wait wait....a new group that has oversight permissions? [19:29:41] scratch that [19:29:43] I'm actually Gregchiasson [19:29:46] will email correct ones [19:29:51] ^demon: yes [19:30:08] Have we concensus for that? [19:30:09] it's a temporary test group for the staffers and contractors dealing with AFT5 before the feedback page is deployed publicly [19:30:14] ^demon: Not actual oversight, only for AFT comments [19:30:15] ^demon: it's only oversight on the AFT5 page, IE, they can delete posts, they're just regular joes outside of the AFT5 context. [19:30:16] at which point actual oversighters will be asked [19:30:18] Hi Jamietw, we need to give our team special permissions so we can test the software for the next couple weeks, during this limited, non-public testing period. But this will NOT give us oversight rights, just the right to 'delete' feedback posts during the testing period. [19:30:30] <^demon> RoanKattouw: Then why the connection with oversighters? [19:30:31] Ok. [19:30:35] <^demon> Rights should be separate... [19:30:38] Thanks for that. [19:30:50] ^demon: because when the feedback page *is* publicly deployed, OSers will need to be able to delete comments [19:30:50] It's conceptually the same thing as oversighting, except it's for comments rather than page edits [19:30:55] We discussed this in IRC chats with the community, and they understand that this is just a temporary user right, for testing purposes. [19:30:57] Don't blame me for the confusing nomenclature :) [19:31:10] It'd be more confusing to keep calling it "delete" [19:31:15] <^demon> Confusing names are confusing. [19:31:21] ever tried explaining to a group of admins why we're saying they won't be able to delete stuff? [19:31:22] it's not fun [19:31:36] <^demon> RoanKattouw: As long as you're on top of it. I just saw 'oversight' group and did a double-take. [19:31:55] ^demon: trust me, we know all the community pitfalls :) [19:32:07] Thanks, Ironholds, we can discuss this in coming days, during the non-public testing period. Right not, the compromise is to call this feature 'Delete (oversight)'. [19:32:14] ...right. [19:32:22] so we will successfully confuse *everyone*. [19:32:27] OK, I'm gonna start merging stuff into the branch and deploying it to test [19:32:41] Let me know which users should be put in which group and which rights that group should have [19:33:19] <^demon> 'Delete (oversight)' is so completely confusing to me it's not even funny. I really hope that gets fixed. [19:33:23] *^demon wanders off to find lunch [19:33:25] Thanks, Roan. I will send you the user names by email. [19:33:38] ^demon: agreed. I'm sure we'll discuss it at our meeting at 4 [19:33:39] Yes, ^demon, this will get fixed. Be patient. [19:40:14] Hi Roan, I just sent you the user names for the AFT group and Cc:d all the folks who would get these temporary user rights. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! [19:40:33] OK, thanks [19:40:54] There's a couple of other permissions, actually. [19:41:37] I split aftv5-see-hidden-feedback and aftv5-see-deleted-feedback out - I can make them one permission if that makes sense. [19:42:30] fabriceflorin, the list of user names you sent through contains personal accounts rather than staff accounts [19:42:37] we do not cross the streams [19:43:13] you need Okeyes (WMF) and Jorm (WMF) instead of Ironholds and Jorm, at least. I know some staffers don't have staff accounts, which makes legal rather antsy, but que sera. [19:43:19] OK, could you please respond to the email and suggest office accounts instead? [19:43:24] sure [19:44:05] done [19:44:33] But let's try not to hold up launch with technicalities like these, which can be fixed tomorrow, if need be. We're already approaching the end of our scheduled deployment window. ;o) [19:46:14] fabriceflorin, the "technicality" is "we are not allowed to conflate our actions as volunteers and our actions as WMFers, or legal gets finnicky" [19:46:32] and given that switching two usernames will take approximately 5 seconds, it's hardly a big time-sink [19:47:05] Got it. I will aim to create a WMF account when I catch my breath. [19:48:05] For now, let's launch this puppy, so we can test this puppy! Also, please do not share the URL to the feedback page on this IRC chat, so that it remains non-public for now. Use email instead. [19:51:31] OK deploying to test now [19:52:30] Thanks, Roan. Let's share the URL by email, so we can test it there. [19:52:42] Oh, hah [19:52:47] I guess I need to make the special page unlisted [19:53:04] That would be a good idea. [19:53:26] :P [19:54:31] Yes, please. [19:56:36] sumanah: Will do. [19:56:46] thanks Amgine [19:56:53] I just emailed the URL to the A [19:57:03] ??? to the AFT team. [19:57:40] OK so what I have is this [19:57:42] $wgGroupPermissions['afttest']['aftv5-delete-feedback'] = true; [19:57:43] $wgGroupPermissions['afttest']['aftv5-hide-feedback'] = true; [19:57:45] $wgGroupPermissions['afttest']['aftv5-see-deleted-feedback'] = true; [19:57:46] fabriceflorin: erm. it's broken for me ;p [19:57:47] $wgGroupPermissions['afttest']['aftv5-see-hidden-feedback'] = true; [19:57:57] the first piece of feedback is distorted and moved to the right [19:58:37] Ironholds, can you send us a screenshot by email, and let us know what browser you are using? I cannot reproduce on my end. [19:58:49] 9.0.1, as with the other 3 bugs I reported, and am doing so now [19:58:57] fabriceflorin: are you & your team interested in using the crossbrowsertesting site that we have a license to use? [19:59:05] works on safari, with a few minor glitches [19:59:10] What browser? [19:59:20] and mouse-over on the flag as abuse button *still* produces the text-typing cursor [19:59:23] which is tiny but frustrating [19:59:54] there also appears to be an error with the yes/no buttons; if I unselect "no", it moves the number of nos *up* [20:00:35] Ironholds: there is a bug??? it updates, but lags 1 action behind [20:00:54] yoni_omniti: ahh [20:00:57] oh dear [20:00:58] Now putting people in the aft group on test [20:01:01] Ironholds, let's get in the habit of reporting bugs more formally, rather than piecemeal in IRC. Can you send a detailed email with a paragraph for each bug, describing how you got these results? Thanks, [20:01:24] Ironholds: or just file it in BZ, and we get the eamil automatically [20:01:28] *email [20:01:28] Thanks, Roan. [20:01:33] you want a paragraph on how I found a mouseover bug? [20:01:33] There is no user by the name "Yoni OmniTI". Check your spelling. [20:01:36] I moved my mouse over it. [20:01:45] RoanKattouw: with an underscore [20:01:48] Who's Epochfail? [20:01:48] a paragraph can be one sentence long :-) [20:01:57] yoni_omniti: Underscores and spaces are the same thing in MW usernames [20:02:06] I entered it with an underscore, no difference [20:02:09] EpochFail is Aaron, who is working on the research for feedback evaluations. [20:02:21] Oh, I'm doing this on test, your account would be on en only, maybe, I guess [20:02:28] Ditto for rsterbin [20:02:44] RoanKattouw: just logged in to test with this account [20:02:58] You are now logged in to Wikipedia as "Yoni OmniTI". [20:03:03] AH, yes [20:03:05] Now you exist [20:03:13] Accounts on other wikis are lazy-created [20:03:21] good to know [20:03:40] Thanks, Roan, I am able to get access to the tools now and they work as intended. [20:03:50] rsterbin, gregchiasson : ^^ FYI [20:04:00] Yup, I have all the admin stuff. [20:04:25] i do not [20:04:49] Your account didn't exist when I tried [20:04:51] Let me try again [20:04:55] thx [20:05:21] all please flag fabric's last post as abuse - so i can test autohide ;) [20:05:22] And the tools are correctly hiding or deleting/oversighting the posts, apparently. [20:05:28] fabrice's * [20:05:51] ooh [20:05:55] mine auto-hid it [20:06:05] *undoes so yoni can do it* [20:06:10] the "all visible" bug is still there [20:06:15] I'm on Firefox 9.0.1 and the first feedback item is inverted to the right of the others. [20:06:18] lol, maybe not [20:06:21] ack. I'll report now [20:06:24] Yes, auto-hide seems to work. My post was hidden after we reached 5 flags. [20:06:41] May I unhide it now, to see if that works? [20:06:45] Ironholds: thats a new one. the previous one was about the counter in abuse flag [20:06:57] fabriceflorin: please do [20:07:01] yoni_omniti: that was the issue i sent you a screencap of [20:07:06] the one that only i could make happen [20:07:16] you're special [20:07:17] ubuntu/firefox [20:07:18] rsterbin: the showing: bug with the infinite number of comments? [20:07:24] awesome, I don't have to submit my screenshot :P [20:07:27] FWIW I'm on FF9.0.1 on a Mac, and it looks fine - it's apparently unique to Windows or Linux FF? [20:07:33] no, the one jamietw just reported [20:07:36] I'm getting the same one on windows/firefox, and on xubuntu/firefox [20:07:38] ahh [20:07:39] damn! New bug. [20:07:41] rsterbin: please open a BZ bug if there isn't one already [20:07:45] OK, I just showed that post again, even though it had been flagged 7 times. [20:07:47] will do [20:08:01] fabriceflorin: is that not the intended behavior? [20:08:03] It's visible nagain. [20:08:11] I'm on Windows [20:09:05] actually, jamietw, can you report it? it was fixed for me a couple of revisions ago [20:09:17] Thanks, Jamietw. Sadly, I cannot reproduce on a Mac. Can you please email a screenshot to me at florin@wikimedia.org? [20:09:17] so my screencap is out of date [20:09:26] Sure. [20:09:45] fabriceflorin, I've already sent a screenshot through for the same bug [20:10:02] thanks [20:10:21] RoanKattouw: thanks, i've got access to tools now [20:11:19] yay [20:12:42] I apologize for using foul language for my last post, but wanted to show examples of feedback that should be hidden right away. [20:12:49] fabriceflorin: are we missing the Zoom meet, btw? [20:13:00] nobody has bothered to skype me in. was it moved, or has howie forgotten I exist again? [20:13:27] Yes, we are. Duty first. We have a major milestone to launch, and I warned Howie that I might not be able to attend. He understands. [20:13:32] yup [20:13:44] I was more thinking "I'm meant to present a community engagement plan and can't" [20:14:23] I know, we are all over-stressed, with unrealistic deadlines. Let's get this puppy out the door, then we can move on to next steps. [20:15:52] sure, but I can't really do anything useful in deployment. I'm not a 10.times do print "coder", but I am a community liason. I should be liasing. [20:16:07] you actually know what you're talking about, and are thus useful here. I don't and therefore aren't ;p [20:16:13] fabriceflorin: I have sent the screenshot. [20:16:35] Oh, well in that case, you are welcome to go to the meeting, then. But I can't. [20:17:00] Thanks, Jamie and Oliver, for sending the screenshots. Yoni, do you want me to file that bug, or will you? [20:17:12] i will take care of that [20:17:36] i am aggregating them all, later today i will sort them out, verify duplicates and file bugs [20:17:44] fabriceflorin: So, what's up with the deploy timing? I hear there are some bugs? [20:17:52] Thanks, Yoni, much appreciated! [20:18:39] Hi Roan, there are minor bugs, but none of them are show-stoppers for this limited, non-public release. Yoni, do you know of any serious bugs that might affect performance on en-wiki? [20:18:56] nothing here [20:19:13] for a beta release were ok [20:19:16] OK, well if and when I'm good to go to deploy to enwiki, tell me [20:20:02] I think we are ready to deploy to en-wiki, based on the testing we did so far. Yoni, are you comfortable with this recommendation? [20:20:11] i am [20:20:26] Good. So Roan, you have our go-ahead to proceed. [20:20:32] best way to test further is to have actual users to use this [20:20:39] OK [20:22:06] Yes, I agree. Roan, if we need to update any patches tomorrow, would that be an option? If not, when is our next opportunity for updates? Next Wed. Feb. 8? Or the the following Wed. Feb. 15? [20:22:19] Tomorrow is fine [20:22:26] After that, Wed Feb 8, yes [20:22:30] i would advise against planning for tomorrow [20:22:36] I'm traveling on Monday and am taking the day off on Tuesday [20:22:47] Feb. 8 sound reasonable time to gather bugs, fix them properly, and test again [20:23:09] Thanks for your flexibility, Roan. We will aim for Feb. 8, unless we find anything critical overnight. [20:23:30] Yoni, we will follow your lead on the testing plan. [20:23:39] Code is now live on enwiki [20:23:39] ok [20:23:51] lets do q quick sanity test on enwiki [20:23:52] 1 PHP Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/wikipedia/common/php-1.18/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/api/ApiArticleFeedbackv5Utils.php on line 199 [20:23:54] 1 PHP Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/wikipedia/common/php-1.18/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/api/ApiArticleFeedbackv5Utils.php on line 180 [20:24:08] I haven't promoted people into the aft group on enwiki just yet, do you want me to? [20:24:09] Thank you, Roan! Everyone, I will send you the URL by email. [20:24:26] gregchiasson: please take a look at the code [20:24:55] Apparently that happens if aft_article_filter_counts is empty. [20:25:09] aft_article_filter_count, actually, singular. [20:25:16] It shows up in the search box. Any way around that? [20:25:36] No [20:25:48] The page is there, so it's in the search results [20:26:13] also, i'm getting "not enabled" message for pages in AFTv5 category [20:26:19] Hey, guys, I can't access the Golden sparrow page on en-wiki, even though it is part of the correct category. [20:26:25] Same. [20:26:49] Same. [20:26:50] What's the name of the golden sparrow page again? [20:27:02] It does work for Bluetooth however. [20:27:06] Golden-crowned_Sparrow [20:27:30]