[00:31:05] hexmode: that last one is no good [00:31:30] Prodego: 1s [00:31:42] Prodego: but why? [00:32:09] the ability to hide things from yourself is not a good idea [00:32:14] and, also comment on the bug so Nikola knows [00:32:20] particularly since on some WMF wikis that would be the ability to hide things from /everyone/ [00:32:56] Also I am positive that will be misused :) [00:33:16] Prodego: you have commit privs? [00:33:24] no, I do not [00:33:38] k, please comment on the bug and I'll revert it [00:33:47] ty for your help [00:40:53] Question about file handling in extensions: my tag extension generates several files while rendering a tag. Right now, I handle those files manually (put them in dirs, generate URLs to them, etc.). Is that OK, or should I rather use some special MediaWiki classes for that, and if so, which ones? [00:41:20] GrafZahl_: You're better off asking in #mediawiki [00:41:55] johnduhart: Oh, OK [00:41:59] I don't think any such special class actually exists though [00:42:08] or at least if it does, I havn't come across it [00:42:37] It'd be nice if there was one, there's more then a couple extensions that do similar things [00:42:45] bawolff: I browsed the docs superficially and didn't find one either [00:43:33] In all probability if the math extension (which used to be in core) doesn't use such a class, it probably doesn't exist [00:43:43] bawolff: There is FileBackend, which doesn't let you create URLs, FileRepo which versions the files, but nothing specialised??? [00:44:01] bawolff: Oh, good idea, I'll check out the math extension [00:45:35] whoops, the Math extension is BIG [00:45:41] *bawolff vaugely remembers there being issues in the math extension with expiring old images (for when the renderer got updated, or things changed like the image background going from white to transparent) but I don't remember the details [00:46:06] oh, Math extension has new fancy js math stuff that is huge. The older version is much smaller [00:47:32] Yes, MathJax [00:47:51] *bawolff has to go... [02:11:46] hexmode: if you are still around? [02:12:25] up, nevermind :) [02:12:31] already does what I want [13:25:38] gwicke, how do I jumpstart with visual editor sandbox on my local mediawiki instance ? I mean I've got the trunk, loaded the extension but on the special page nothing seem to be happening, any good configurations required ? [13:27:01] ashish_d: not that I am aware of, no [13:27:28] does it show up in Special:Version? [13:28:07] well- it should if you get the special page [13:28:50] gwicke, yes it does, ok , http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:VisualEditorSandbox where does this get all the text from ? that information might help troubleshoot [13:30:34] from sandbox/sandbox.js, using the resource loader [13:32:38] do you get any errors in firebug? [13:34:28] yep, Uncaught Error: Unknown dependency: mediawiki.feedback [13:34:42] resource loader glitch, it seems [13:48:44] that should only be needed indirectly to help with collecting user feedback [13:49:29] it might come from a separate extension, Neil should know about that [13:50:01] so how about just disabling it meanwhile? [13:51:06] both the dependency and its use would need to be disabled [13:56:40] gwicke, worked, had to disable two dependencies perhaps, mediawiki.feedback and mediawiki.uri. hope the sandbox lives without both [13:57:49] ashish_d: cool! Will ask Neil about it later [13:58:02] gwicke, sure! thanks [16:10:02] gwicke, what do you think over this https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33124 ? does it seem to be a good idea to work on it ? [16:10:53] ha- we are all working towards that ;) [16:11:27] not that easy though, so perhaps not an ideal small thing for the start [16:11:44] gwicke, got a suggestion ? ;) [16:12:42] hmm- I am not really up to speed on the editor part, I'm mostly hacking the parser [16:14:24] we are currently refactoring a lot, so it is a bit difficult with the parser [16:14:37] are you more interested in the editor part or also parsing? [16:17:12] ashish_d: this has all the VisualEditor reports: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&component=VisualEditor&resolution=---&resolution=LATER&resolution=DUPLICATE&product=MediaWiki%20extensions [16:18:19] gwicke, I saw that thing, thanks, and I'd be more interested in the editor [16:20:13] there are some browser-specific issues in there that might be relatively simple to fix [16:24:07] ashish_d: Trevor and Inez are currently on vacation, they are the main editor people. But Neil knows quite a bit about it too, and might be around later. [16:24:26] gwicke, how about this https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33112 ? I guess it would help me get familiar with the transaction stacks in operation [16:24:52] gwicke, I see, I'll catch up with Neil then [16:25:13] ashish_d: that bug looks certainly doable [16:25:28] gwicke, I guess :) [18:56:58] mark: Hi there! [18:57:07] I'm a fellow who loves GPG key collisions. [18:57:16] (on the 32-bit key ID, that is) [18:57:33] so I heard ;) [18:57:56] Is it okay to talk here about gmaxwell's suggestion? [20:03:17] RoanKattouw: i am told you are the guy to talk to about making changes to www.wikipedia.org [20:03:52] Any Meta admin can do that [20:04:01] so, wait. that's a wiki? [20:04:07] i was told that it was a standalone page. [20:04:33] It's on a wiki, yes [20:04:36] Let me find it for you [20:04:41] hrm. [20:04:59] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Www.wikipedia.org_template [20:05:14] You can edit that if you are a sysop or have equivalent rights on meta (staff account probably works) [20:05:22] But please do edit the /temp page first, the way mortals have to [20:05:34] The difference is that as a sysop you can copy your own changes over [20:05:43] Alternatively, edit the /temp page and let me review the diff and copy it [20:05:50] Awesome, we can have complete wg* setup/teardown in JS without having to restore them one by one in the teardown. [20:05:52] well, i'm not planning on editing that. [20:06:02] i was more trying to see how easy it would be to create *additional* pages. [20:06:02] *Krinkle has epiphany [20:06:32] old = mw.config.values; mw.config.values = {}; and vica versa [20:06:41] people want to go to www.wikipedia.org/reasons-why-you-should-donate or www.wikipedia.org/faqs instead of www.wikimediafoundation.org/faqs, etc. [20:13:55] Oh, OK [20:14:05] So you want redirects set up from those URLs? [20:14:31] That's something that can be done in the Apache config [20:18:04] rmoen, bsitu: MB changes + MAH now live on testwiki [20:19:40] RoanKattouw: great! [20:20:41] RoanKattouw: Nice! [20:20:55] So please test and give me the green light [20:23:36] RoanKattouw: We are testing :)