[01:47:43] jorm: ping [01:47:59] preilly: pong. [01:48:03] jorm: you posted a picture of a check on FB that has the account number visible [01:48:40] no; there are digits hidden. [01:48:59] jorm: well, the first part is a generic routing number [01:49:41] goddammit. you're right. [01:49:59] 121042882 is the California routing number [01:50:45] *jorm deletes. [01:51:00] jorm: wait I'm still in the middle of my check order [10:08:22] @search test [10:08:22] --elephant-- Results: [] [10:08:22] No results found! :| [10:08:30] @part [10:09:11] @trusted [10:09:11] --elephant-- [mediawiki/Catrope, 216.38.133.254] [10:09:11] I trust: petan|wk.*wikimedia/Petrb, [10:18:05] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:VisualEditorSandbox \o/ [10:18:24] people will hopefully test it and report bugs :-D [10:19:05] wow [10:19:35] hashar: ie is transparent combo box for heading [10:19:53] so I see the text behind which make it hard to read [10:20:43] try it in internet exploere [10:20:53] blog post says it does not work in IE8 / IE7 [10:20:54] :| [10:20:56] http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/12/13/help-test-the-first-visual-editor-developer-prototype/ [10:20:58] ah [10:20:59] ok [10:21:01] then it's ok [10:21:02] I have a Mac so no IE there :-D [10:25:33] RoanKattouw: let me know if you thought that we should insert the new bot to some other channels for test, like #wikimedia-tech etc. I don't know where else it could have use [10:26:20] It's currently only used in #mediawiki and #wikimedia-dev , I think that's fine [10:26:45] -tech and -operations don't really need a factoid bot I think [10:27:10] hm... ok [10:27:27] I don't think it's ready for #mediawiki now [10:27:51] maybe this channel :) but I don't know how we should handle the logs? [10:27:57] should I copy all existing logs to labs? [10:28:12] new log is logging in same fashion so people wouldn't see any difference [10:28:18] new bot [10:28:28] That's probably a good idea yeah [10:28:47] there is nearly unlimited space on labs [10:34:10] bah I can't connect to prototype from labs :( [10:34:23] darn firewall [11:00:49] Inez: are you around? [11:13:11] hello there [11:13:48] does anyone remember the Etherpad for the visual editor meeting on Wikimania? [12:08:39] odder: are you looking for one of those linked in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackathon_2011/Notes? [12:10:00] (not wikimania, but might get you further) [12:10:55] gwicke, I've found that, thanks for the link anyway [12:11:08] it was the Etherpad from the "Ask the Devs" session on Wikimania [12:12:02] np [12:58:46] odder, does it have info not included on the wiki? [12:58:54] should be moved in that case [13:02:42] Nemo_bis, I was looking for a very specific information which doesn't need to be put on the wiki [13:02:51] I was looking for a quote from Brion, in fact :) [13:05:06] ok [14:07:42] Wikibugs (1,295) [14:07:45] Mark all as read [14:07:47] *RoanKattouw waits :) [16:05:47] RoanKattouw: hah and hi [16:06:05] Ohai [16:06:15] I'm almost done with LU [16:06:22] I moved it off of /home so it should be way faster now [16:06:30] (Once puppet runs, anyway) [16:06:45] And fixed lots of perms issues of course [16:09:24] should talk about visualeditor in this channel, or #mediawiki or something else? [16:09:59] Here is fine [16:10:42] Hmm [16:10:58] in the example doc "Formatting" how is "term definition" inserted? [16:11:13] I have been primed to go "oh, look, Ryan is here, now I can ask him stuff" every time he joins, but I think I actually have nothing to poke him for today :D even though I spent half my day in puppet [16:12:17] Ahm, you mean like :foo ? [16:12:22] :D [16:12:27] no way [16:12:42] I'm used to being pounced by everyone by now. it's ok. :D [16:13:09] Now I am feeling underprepared! I don't have a question for Ryan! [16:14:16] liangent: What do you mean exactly? [16:15:52] RoanKattouw: at the end of the example doc there's "Term Definition" [16:15:59] how can I insert it manually? [16:16:14] I don't see it [16:16:33] Oooh [16:16:36] The second example [16:16:38] gotcha [16:16:41] I don't think you can insert that ydt [16:16:43] *yet [16:17:35] well by the way wikitext generated for definition misses a colon [16:30:18] Oh, hmm [16:30:20] Well that's a bug [16:58:17] preilly: I've been asked to poke you about https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32624 [17:25:34] hi yuvipanda [17:25:38] how was the day? [17:25:47] sumanah: ah [17:26:03] sumanah: pretty good, I think we might get one contributor out of that group of ~16 [17:26:40] yuvipanda: and the rest have at least been awakened [17:26:42] seeds planted [17:26:57] sumanah: true that [17:27:12] sumanah: it was a bit too formal for my tastes [17:27:19] I can imagine! [17:27:27] the kind of people who put together a ppt to ask you questions [17:27:33] sumanah: half of them were devs [17:27:44] sumanah: pm? [17:28:15] yuvipanda: I just wrote something relevant to the wikimedia India list - marketing, you have to get the message to the recipient three times in three different ways before you have a good chance they've noticed it. So today you were one of those 3 times. For some people, the 1st, for some people, the 3rd [17:28:17] sure, yuvipanda [17:41:22] Hallo. Can anybody with a Mac please test the following page in the *Opera* browser? - https://ne.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepal?uselang=en [18:00:19] hi [18:03:27] Hi. [18:03:55] I'll try this again: Can anybody with a *Mac* please test the following page in the *Opera* browser? - https://ne.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepal?uselang=en [18:05:27] so what's the plan? [18:06:14] <^demon> aharoni: What should I be seeing? (or not seeing?) [18:06:46] <^demon> Most of the page content looks fine, but the sutitle and parts of the sidebar are showing boxes. [18:07:25] ^demon, which Opera version is it? [18:07:37] <^demon> 11.01 [18:09:08] Do you see any links in English in the left sidebar? [18:09:17] 11.01 is pretty old. [18:09:25] <^demon> Yeah, I don't use it often :p [18:09:32] <^demon> aharoni: No english, no. [18:09:37] 11.60 (11.1 and 11.5 were before that) [18:09:56] Aha. So it probably is a problem with a fallback font. [18:10:49] *siebrand sighs relieved. [18:11:41] . [18:11:53] Not much of a feature meeting going on here apparently [18:12:07] we're talking features... [18:12:07] there is one English word "Contents" in the Contents box. (Mac, Opera 11.60) [18:12:13] a bit [18:12:25] I read first part the long email siebrand send [18:12:53] Yeah, it was pretty long and no tl.dr possibilities that I saw... [18:13:24] But I'm fine with only 15 people reading through to the signature, and 5 below it :) [18:13:36] for obvious reasons I skipped the rest [18:13:45] I understand ;) [18:17:09] is alolita going to elaborate how this is supposed to happen? [18:17:11] <^demon> siebrand: Imagine a world in which everyone can use the same freely licensed font. [18:17:21] Hi Nikerabbit: [18:17:24] ;) [18:17:26] ^demon: that would be a pain to deliver with webfonts :) [18:17:27] I pinged everyone earlier [18:17:32] Comic Sans for all! [18:17:54] <^demon> Nikerabbit: Well hopefully your distro would include it :) [18:17:56] and would like everyone in the features team to just give a brief status of their projects (current, ongoing) [18:18:07] the I18n team can start first [18:18:08] :D [18:18:11] nikerabbit [18:18:20] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-i18n/2011-December/000359.html . Done. [18:18:30] siebrand :-) done indeed [18:18:36] if that counts as a brief... :D [18:18:45] Anyway... [18:18:50] any other updates on the bug fixes in progress. [18:18:57] We've had an interesting two days after the web fonts deployment. [18:19:06] Some ops involvement was -- and still is needed. [18:19:29] Woha, looooooongcatislooooooong email [18:19:30] We needed cache headers changed, and still need purging to make new JS availabl to anonymous users. [18:19:43] in the long run we should solve the cache problems with resource loader if possible [18:19:56] There's been some serious and sometimes rather harsh feedback on the wikimediaindia-l list. [18:20:18] We can stand that, though, and we're working with the bug reports we have so far. [18:20:27] IE6 and Windows XP really suck. [18:20:31] siebrand: i concur [18:20:50] The many, many browsers and versions, and different operating systems are a bitch. [18:21:01] are we disabling on ie6 [18:21:09] The hard core JS developers of course already knew that. We've experienced it first hand too now. [18:21:17] alolita: we already have. [18:21:24] also for IE8 on XP [18:21:31] ok great - thanks! [18:21:55] Furthermore we deployed a major update to Narayam, with the input methods added during the Mumbai hackathon. [18:22:11] yay! [18:22:13] We're now focusing on feedback mechanisms. [18:22:27] as well as documentation being reachable. [18:22:37] Want to get into contact with the ArticleFeedback and MoodBar teams. [18:23:00] Please let us know who to best talk to -- we already know of NielK -- but there may be more people. [18:23:11] We want to re-use as much code and interfaces as possible. [18:23:18] -- really done now --- [18:23:42] so- who's next? [18:23:50] good evening btw ;) [18:24:17] siebrand: thanks [18:24:30] gwicke: parser update next :-) [18:25:09] well, apart from what is on etherpad- we have basic HTML DOM to WikiDom conversion since today [18:25:42] templates are not yet done [18:26:11] ok; please also track the page where v-ed issues are being posted [18:26:15] the tokenizer and the general structure feels quite solid [18:26:48] do you mean bugzilla? [18:27:32] bugzilla and the wiki page where feedback is being collected for the v-ed [18:27:52] ok [18:28:14] there a lots of comments there already [18:28:35] will have to flesh out a few WikiDom things with Trevor or anybody in the editor team [18:29:03] I'm also worried about the timeline [18:29:08] nikerabbit: yes; gwicke: yes - the local sf team is still crawling into the office [18:29:21] gwicke: we are syncing-up on next steps later this week [18:29:28] ok [18:29:33] on friday - will pull you into that discussion [18:29:48] gabriel: if you;re done with your update; let's move to krinkle [18:29:53] krinkle: ? [18:29:56] yes, I'm done [18:30:00] thanks [18:30:09] Hi [18:30:16] we're almost out of time - 3 more minutes [18:30:26] so timo - want to give a brief update [18:30:31] yes [18:30:36] go for it [18:30:42] URL for VE feedback, please? [18:30:52] I've finished the harvard banner last week [18:31:01] and planning to pick up ResourceLoader2 this week [18:31:18] further: Dario approached me with what looks like a follow-up to the banner development [18:31:49] and alolita mentioned two projects yesterday although I'll ask for more info as the conversation was left unfinished from both ends. [18:32:11] krinkle: i will follow up with you on both; [18:32:23] alolita: okay, to my wmf mail ? [18:32:28] siebrand: i had asked krinkle to help on the UI work for Narayam [18:32:47] can you both coordinate on this work [18:32:55] alolita: cool. We need jorm 's designs, though, before we can start on that. [18:33:19] siebrand: i have pinged jorm - he has committed to completing these by the 15th [18:33:21] alolita: 1st up is a language selector, and from there we'll be adding input methods and font choice. [18:33:24] *siebrand nods [18:33:29] ok [18:33:32] just as a planning thing :) [18:33:36] yup [18:33:53] Krinkle: Yay RL2! [18:33:57] timo: are you done; Roan? [18:33:59] *RoanKattouw apologies for mistiming his dinner and missing most of this meeting [18:34:13] alolita: yes [18:34:14] RoanKattouw: we're still tuning [18:34:16] Fortunately IRC has a scrollback, phones don't [18:34:20] :) [18:34:24] Roan: :-) [18:34:55] I like Krinkle 's idea of picking up RL2, I'll do that too [18:35:03] I spent today beating LocalisationUpdate into submission [18:35:08] It should now be in a working state again [18:35:17] And, save for one edge case, it should handle fallbacks correctly now [18:35:44] I'll be helping out the VE people on request, and other than that I'm doing CR stuff for various projects (AFTv5 mostly), and RL2 [18:36:49] RoanKattouw: Let's talk later tonight, about 10 or 11 PM our time ? [18:37:04] Just a quick planning chat, nothing big. [18:37:35] Actually, it looks like I might have broken LU [18:37:37] The saga continues [18:37:41] Krinkle: sure [18:37:44] Not sure when I'll be home [18:37:55] I gotta help transport some stuff to the new house later [18:37:58] hmm [18:38:42] RoanKattouw: just to be sure: there's still no successful recent LU run? [18:39:15] Jeroen: any updates [18:39:33] sorry - we're having problems with the wi-fi here in sf [18:39:39] siebrand: Well, "successful" [18:39:50] looks like jeroen is mia [18:39:50] There is a successful LU run in the sense that it didn't explode [18:40:05] It was not successful in the sense that I'm now getting a report that some messages are out of date [18:40:22] "successful" defined as a run that has updated trunk HEAD translations into the live Wikimedia cluster. [18:40:48] SF office network issues? [18:40:57] yes [18:41:16] anyone else we haven't covered in our features update? [18:41:45] we're out of time so if most folks are done; let's sync up later again - [18:41:52] let me know if this format works [18:42:05] i will send out an agenda for this meeting [18:42:09] comments are welcome :-) [18:42:16] alolita: The separation between SF and non-SF strikes me as very strange [18:42:38] goes to have the first 20m+ break since the day begun 13 hours ago. [18:42:45] RoanKattouw: I would rather have everyone together; our audio problems have made things worse [18:43:01] siebrand - thanks for your work! [18:43:13] I also don't like the separation [18:43:23] makes it harder to get hold of the SF cabal [18:43:26] agreed [18:43:27] Why don't we do the IRC format but for everyone [18:43:56] I too liked the format Trevor proposed last few weeks [18:43:57] Roan: We can definitely do that but we will still continue the face to face meeting for the local team also [18:44:17] i will ask everyone to join online based on trevor's format [18:44:41] 5 seconds for a pint. I'm slow when it's warm... [18:44:45] but i will also work on getting better av in sf so that everyone can join in [18:44:50] easily [18:44:58] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oqhgXUTJsc&feature=youtu.be Luckily tfinc and I had Barbie Girl after that... [18:45:26] siebrand: this i have to see [18:45:28] tfinc: rachel is going to put that up too! [18:45:28] :D [18:45:42] i haven't watched either of them yet [18:45:45] yes rachel is going to [18:45:58] siebrand++ [18:45:59] so this will be real fun - part 2 coming up in february [18:46:01] :D [18:46:14] We need a karaoke bar in Pune... [18:46:25] siebrand: we'll find one [18:46:27] :-) [18:46:29] haha [18:46:33] or in goa [18:47:01] ok ttyl then - thanks everyone :-) [18:47:11] thx [18:47:21] see you [18:47:26] alolita fading away to status meeting now :-) [18:47:28] thx. it's been useful to hear what you all have been up to. [18:48:30] *gwicke still hasn't found a wiki page with VE discussion [18:48:52] Nikerabbit: do you have a link? [18:49:07] www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Visual_editor/Feedback# [18:49:31] ahh, thanks! [18:52:25] rmoen: So, MoodBar deployment. Is the code in SVN right now deployment-ready, or should we wait a bit longer? [18:52:40] (I have to do review anyway, but I'd like to know what your view on it is) [18:59:58] rmoen: I gotta step out for about an hour, so the MoodBar review&deploy will have to happen after lunch [19:04:01] lunch? [19:04:06] dinner surely? [19:04:13] Or Roan is on Reedy time... [19:14:27] hehe, I meant SF lunch [19:14:49] *RoanKattouw_away is now actually leaving [19:57:12] @logon [19:57:13] Channel is already logged [20:29:41] RoanKattouw: you've added some logging to LU. Would that be public-ish somewhere? [20:29:57] RoanKattouw: obviously I/we are very interested in the errors :) [20:30:37] It's in a log file on fenari [20:31:00] RoanKattouw: I've heard about it before, but I'm pretty certain I don't have access :) [20:31:29] raindrift: hey [20:31:39] the discussion on wiki is closed [20:47:41] hurrrrgh. [20:48:29] hey RoanKattouw [20:48:37] Hey [20:48:51] how long are you going to be awake for? [20:48:59] A couple more hours [20:49:03] ok [20:49:03] I'm now reviewing MoodBar code [20:49:09] great! [20:49:12] after you're done with that [20:49:17] can we bug you about deployment of aft to labs? [20:50:42] Well, no [20:50:45] There are still outstanding issues [20:50:52] Which OmniTI seems to have been ignoring [20:51:13] I've pointed them out a couple times but I haven't had the time to actively kick them into gear (and that's not my job anyway) [20:51:45] that's too bad [20:51:51] maybe we should make it your job :) [20:52:00] so i'll ask fabrice to bug them [20:52:13] Hah, no thank you, I don't need more jobs [20:52:18] Specifically, these points: [20:52:19] Line 89: a COUNT(*) query on an unbounded number of rows is unacceptable in production. Doesn't the rollup table have this information? Sort of, but that would break the counts when a filter is active - hidden, visible, etc. [20:52:21] Line 123: don't use OFFSET-based paging. Instead, page with WHERE af_page_id >= $params['continue'] and set a query-continue for the next page ID. Grep the core code for query-continue for examples, or ask me [20:52:24] (fabrice -- roan says that Omniti has a list of outstanding issues that they haven't resolved) [20:52:29] Hi Roan, thanks for listing these issues. [20:52:40] I will open tickets for this right now. [20:52:52] We also have windows IE7 issues. [20:53:15] ay others? [20:53:17] any [20:53:32] And I haven't really tested that the non-supported platforms disable AFT5 [20:53:47] I guess the COUNT issue is gone now [20:54:10] We are also waiting to hear from Reha whether they can do the clicktracking for all the fields that Dario asked for [20:54:11] Or, no, it's not [20:54:14] There's just a //TODO comment [20:54:23] Other than that, the main issues on my end have been addressed [20:54:56] Yoni at OmniTI recommends that we pre-deploy today, even with these known issues, so Erik can look at the overall experience today [20:55:13] What do you guys think? [20:55:15] Code with COUNT(*) queries and OFFSET queries cannot be deployed to the cluster [20:55:30] If we do not pre-deploy today, we will not be able to launch tomorrow as planned. [20:55:41] I believe that's Greg's code [20:55:49] i'd be in favor of pre-deploying today [20:56:21] this is labs, so there shouldn't be a significant risk if the open issues aren't resolves [20:56:23] resolved [20:56:37] we would need a way to test once omniti resolves RoanKattouw 's issues [20:57:03] Yes, we can still push to prototype to test if we resolve Roan's issues later today [20:57:07] is that correct, or am i just making stuff up? [20:57:14] hey guys. [20:57:21] hey jem- [20:57:26] sorry jorm [20:57:28] Hi Brandon [20:57:32] too many j's in this channel [20:57:39] Hope you feel better soon. [20:58:26] i'm feeling much better now, actually. [20:58:43] i think i ate something bad bad bad. [20:59:38] howief, just over 4k articles left to tag, but enwiki have blocked my bot for a stupid reason [21:00:02] Reedy: thanks for the update [21:00:11] 6k are tagged, though [21:00:17] so we have those at a minimum [21:00:17] over 7 [21:00:20] cool [21:00:28] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:ANI at the bottom [21:00:30] worse case scenario we have 7k articles [21:01:01] let me send a note to oliver just so he knows [21:01:59] I'm somewhat amused that it has been blocked essentially for a whitespace change it's making [21:05:25] petan: sorry, was grabbing lunch.i saw you updated the bug. thanks! now all that's left to do is wait for it to get through the deployment backlog... [21:05:32] that's ok [21:05:39] I mean Reedy had some concerns I dunno what [21:05:49] that it needs some review or something [21:07:26] Interesting. Reedy, can you clarify for me what additional review usually happens for community-contributed code prior to deployment? I'm new to this part of the process... [21:07:40] Someone with authority signs it off [21:07:48] wow, drama at ani. [21:07:53] you want me to comment? [21:07:59] Please feel free [21:08:01] Usually Tim or Roan.... [21:08:03] jorm: ani? [21:08:13] admin noticeboard/incidents [21:08:14] reedy's bot got blocked; there's an AN/I [21:08:16] ah [21:08:25] is it unblocked? [21:08:30] Not yet [21:08:31] jorm: do you have the background? [21:08:38] on the bot? [21:08:43] Reedy: Cool. Is that something that happens in an interface someplace that's visible, or is the process less formalized? [21:08:53] i could unblock it, but doing so would cause. . . much drama. [21:09:03] We have a page on MW.org.. [21:09:13] Review sometimes happens on a wiki page if I do it [21:09:17] Or at Special:Code [21:09:26] raindrift, purely I don't know if you are "trusted" to sign off code. No offence meant [21:09:41] In theory, as staff you should be [21:09:45] But this is a grey area [21:10:15] Reedy: can you fix the bot? [21:10:24] i don't want to go wading in if it's going to happen again. [21:10:31] I can just stop running the pywikipedia version [21:10:37] That'll fix the problem [21:10:48] we shouldn't unblock [21:10:49] and I can get pywiki folks to investigate it [21:10:50] Reedy: makes sense??? I mean, I do it pretty regularly for code that we write in-house before it gets deployed by Neil or Roan. At this point I'm actually spending about 30% of my time here on code review. [21:10:52] too much drama [21:10:53] at this point [21:10:57] i think we just leave it be [21:11:09] we have 7k articles that are currently categorized [21:11:11] which i think is good enough [21:11:23] i'd rather not stir up all this drama just for the remaining 3-4k articles [21:11:39] It works as we have no pages between G and P [21:12:06] is dario going to be okay with a reduced dataset? [21:12:11] well, there's no reason to believe articles that begin with G and P are different in character :) [21:12:36] jorm: unfortunately i think he'll need to be, at least for now [21:13:19] jorm: how bad is the drama now? [21:13:29] sorry, I haven't had a chance to read through the thread [21:13:34] People are now going OMG WMF [21:13:43] is it the normal omg wmf [21:13:50] or is it a particularly acute omg wmf? [21:14:04] it's not bad. [21:14:10] yeah, "why aren't you using tested code".. [21:14:13] Well, I am [21:14:14] it's just acute omg? [21:14:17] shit like that. [21:14:25] Pywikipedia bot is very mature [21:14:29] AWB similarily [21:14:47]