[00:00:38] <Saibo>	ah.. btw..  neilk_: regarding the {{custom}} thing: it would be easier if you could use {{subst:custom license marker added by UW}} because we already have 247 files using the {{custom}}.
[00:01:08] <neilk_>	Saibo: before UW?
[00:01:18] <neilk_>	Saibo: the template didn't exist before
[00:01:19] <Saibo>	beforeUW? what do you mean?
[00:01:27] <Saibo>	no
[00:01:32] <Saibo>	but since last week ;)
[00:02:18] <Saibo>	those files use {{custom}}
[00:04:02] <Saibo>	neilk_: is changing the name a problem?
[00:05:29] <neilk_>	Saibo: I don't understand the question you are asking. You are saying there are 247 files using {{custom}}. I assume you are telling me that *before* UploadWizard there were 247 files using {{custom}} ?
[00:05:48] <JeroenDeDauw>	neilk_: I poked at some issues, but did not manage to follow the discussion very actively. If you could write a list of bug numbers of issues I should take care off somewhere, that'd be neat. Or if preferred, I could just tackle bugs at random :)
[00:05:48] <JeroenDeDauw>	Really need to get some sleep now though
[00:06:10] <neilk_>	Saibo: so if they did not exist before UW, I don't see a problem. We can change what {{custom}} does later
[00:06:13] <Saibo>	neilk_: 247 files are currently using this template. those files were uploaded by UW after 2011-11-11.
[00:06:41] <neilk_>	so why does {{subst:custom blah blah blah}} improve on {{subst:custom}}
[00:07:14] <Saibo>	because I need to change the code of custom for the new feature of categories by date
[00:08:57] <Saibo>	however - tell me if you can change the template name for the next UW version or not ;)
[00:10:33] <rillke>	if not, we can use vFC in cat mode to change this
[00:10:58] <rillke>	custom replace
[00:11:04] <Saibo>	ep
[00:11:05] <Saibo>	yep
[00:12:12] <Saibo>	rillke I thought of using vFC to replace all the files with (the old) custom  by the new custom template with date 2011-11-20 (or something) and then delete the old custom template
[00:17:43] <dvanliere>	is there a function in mediawiki to retrieve  a list of all installed extensions? (Preferably not the one used in SpecialVersion as that also includes layout stuff
[01:04:53] <neilk_>	Saibo: sorry, I was dealing with some broken code in production...
[01:05:05] <Saibo>	neilk_: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Custom_license_marker_added_by_UW is prepared now.
[01:06:03] <neilk_>	Ok, so what you want is for UW to say {{subst:custom license marker added by UW}}
[01:06:12] <Saibo>	exactly
[01:06:34] <neilk_>	sure
[01:06:58] <Saibo>	https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:AaatestSonnepalmenstrand90.jpg&diff=62655717&oldid=62617624 like I did here now
[01:07:01] <Saibo>	neilk_: ???
[01:07:28] <Saibo>	{{Custom license marker}} is empty currently - therefore no category is added.
[01:07:44] <Saibo>	but it can be switched over now at any time ;)
[01:07:54] <neilk_>	k
[01:08:48] <Saibo>	We will convert all uploads which use {{custom}} to {{Custom license marker|year=2011|month=11|day=11}} (or another day) and then delete custom.
[01:15:19] <Saibo>	neilk_: a question: how could such an upload happen? https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Pregnancy_.jpg&action=edit&oldid=62652163  I thought the source and author are checked for at least some characters?  Was the uploader a js hacker? or did he insert {{subst:Template:Empty}} in both? ;)
[01:15:33] <hexmode>	neilk_: upload wizard for audio files? doable?
[01:15:39] <Saibo>	I found a similar upload today with also no source
[01:15:40] <neilk_>	hexmode: supposed to be
[01:16:15] <hexmode>	I'll have to look to see if I still have this recording someone gave to me :)
[01:16:49] <hexmode>	good to see this conversation still going on while I was out :)
[01:17:33] <neilk_>	Saibo, sumanah: not sure. Perhaps validation is broken on some browsers.
[01:17:40] <neilk_>	Can't get Chrome to do that.
[01:18:03] <Saibo>	never trust the client!!!11 ;)
[01:18:23] <Saibo>	not really bad or important.. but strange
[01:18:25] <Saibo>	isn't it?
[01:18:36] <neilk_>	It is odd
[01:18:53] <neilk_>	It definitely went throw UW because the uwl is working.
[01:18:54] <Saibo>	neilk_: can I delete it?
[01:18:59] <neilk_>	s/throw/through/
[01:19:01] <neilk_>	hmmm
[01:19:06] <Saibo>	yes, looks like UW
[01:19:11] <Saibo>	of course could be faked ;)
[01:19:54] <neilk_>	Why would they fake the uwl, though, that's insane
[01:20:05] <Saibo>	lol
[01:20:11] <neilk_>	I think this must mean validation is broken on some browsers.
[01:20:12] <Saibo>	makes no sense except to confuse us
[01:20:32] <hexmode>	Saibo: reason for deletion says COM:DW but there is no page or redirect for COM:DW http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:New_Orleans_landlocked_fish.jpg
[01:20:33] <Saibo>	do you want another sample?
[01:20:43] <hexmode>	where is COM:DW supposed to go
[01:20:44] <hexmode>	?
[01:20:48] <Saibo>	what..
[01:21:06] <Saibo>	ah.. click on the link to the deletion request
[01:21:09] <hexmode>	Saibo: "reason for nomination"
[01:21:19] <Saibo>	https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:New_Orleans_landlocked_fish.jpg
[01:21:31] <Saibo>	*fxing it anyway*
[01:21:46] <Saibo>	I forgot [[ ;)
[01:21:49] <Saibo>	works now
[01:21:59] <hexmode>	derivative works ... doh :P
[01:22:24] <Saibo>	the photo is a DW of the fish
[01:22:33] <Saibo>	err..  wrong channel ;)
[01:22:49] <hexmode>	fish are so derivative
[01:38:01] <Saibo>	neilk_: here is another example: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Liam_wood_newton_aycliffe.jpg&action=edit&oldid=62633496
[01:47:07] <neilk_>	Saibo: thanks
[02:25:15] <Saibo>	neilk_: if you want more: http://toolserver.org/~magnus/catscan_rewrite.php?language=commons&project=wikimedia&categories=Media_uploaded_without_a_license_as_of_2011-11%0D%0AMedia+lacking+author+information&ns%5B6%5D=1&ext_image_data=1
[02:25:15] <Saibo>	or http://toolserver.org/~magnus/catscan_rewrite.php?language=commons&project=wikimedia&categories=Media_uploaded_without_a_license_as_of_2011-11%0D%0AImages+without+source&ns%5B6%5D=1&ext_image_data=1
[02:25:37] <neilk_>	Saibo: I've found what the problem is -- some IE browsers don't do the validation
[02:25:47] <neilk_>	Saibo: working to fix it now. May not push a deploy tonight though.
[02:25:59] <neilk_>	in any case the UWL thing is catching them.
[02:26:19] <neilk_>	the wmf doesn't do Friday deploys usually, but if the fix is easy I'll ask.
[02:26:58] <Saibo>	yes, it is not really a problem, as I said before
[02:27:23] <Saibo>	you do not need to deploy urgently - really doesn't matter
[02:28:01] <Saibo>	neilk_: just curious: which IEs and why? some event which is not fired?
[02:28:11] <Saibo>	or can you link be the code diff? ;)
[02:28:15] <Saibo>	*me
[02:36:58] <neilk_>	Saibo: still figuring it out. may just go home
[02:41:26] <Saibo>	neilk_: ah, k. bye then! :) Thanks
[12:36:15] <thedj>	tfinc_: online ?
[12:36:28] <tfinc_>	thedj: yeah. what sup?
[12:37:00] <thedj>	i have a researcher who would like to do some research on AFT
[12:37:10] <thedj>	he's asking who he can contact best.
[12:37:29] <tfinc_>	thedj: message howie
[12:37:32] <tfinc_>	do you have his contact info ?
[12:37:36] <thedj>	no
[12:37:42] <tfinc_>	hfung@wikimedia.org
[12:37:43] <thedj>	i was actually looking for that exactly :D
[12:37:51] <thedj>	thx.
[12:37:56] <tfinc_>	and let me know if you have any trouble
[12:39:08] <tfinc_>	thedj: its a fair bet that almost all wmf staff have an email address that is first letter of their first name and then their last name
[21:07:28] <Krinkle>	^demon: You wouldn't know why CentralNotice is disabled on prototype ? It's checked out and in CommonSettings but commented out fairly well in a bunch of different places as if it wasn't supposed to be used (just making $wmgUseCentralNotice return false would've been enough)
[21:07:51] <^demon>	No clue, I haven't messed with prototype in ages.
[21:08:11] <Krinkle>	k
[21:08:16] <Krinkle>	w/e I'll just enable it then.
[21:08:29] <^demon>	Yeah it's prototype.
[21:08:37] <^demon>	If it breaks oh well :)
[21:09:08] <Krinkle>	ironically, the comment above `` // if ( $wmgUseCentralNotice ) { nclude "$IP/extensions/CentralNotice/CentralNotice.php"; }  ``  says  ``//always enable for prototype``
[21:09:43] <Krinkle>	Just one more reason to repeat "/* Comments don't run! */"
[21:09:45] <Krinkle>	:D
[21:13:29] <brion_>	<!--[if IE]> <script src="exploit.js"></script><![endif]-->
[21:36:20] <Krinkle>	btw, read an interesting article today: http://kuza55.blogspot.com/2008/02/understanding-cookie-security.html
[21:36:39] <Krinkle>	About how setting cookies for .co.uk is both funny and awful
[21:37:22] <Krinkle>	any co-uk domain can basically set it for all domains
[21:37:37] <Krinkle>	of course there are some hardcoded exceptions
[21:37:49] <Krinkle>	section Cross-Site Cooking
[21:38:56] <Krinkle>	some browser disallow it but what if you own wp.org, then you can't use cookies ?
[21:39:11] <Krinkle>	(wp also being a 2-letter domain)
[23:12:10] <kaldari>	What's the magic word for the last part of a PAGENAME? i.e. if the pagename is "Template:2008/Contribution history introduction/ast" and I just want the "ast"?
[23:13:48] <kaldari>	{{SUBPAGENAME}}
[23:13:59] <kaldari>	found it
[23:58:14] <johnduhart>	Can someone in the office get sean to add a USERINFO file? https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Code/MediaWiki&author=seanheavey