[11:14:37] hashar: if any of this http://socialcoding4good.org/organizations/wikimedia is inaccurate, please let me know [11:15:36] sumanah: I have never heard of openhatch.org ( http://openhatch.org/+projects/MediaWiki ) [11:15:45] we might want to make this a bit more prominent :-) [11:16:03] hashar: you mean make our OpenHatch participation more prominent & publicized? [11:16:13] probably [11:16:19] but it does not seem to be used anymore [11:16:26] maybe it was an experiment at some point [11:17:34] under the tools section you might want to add something about the irc channels [11:17:42] #mediawiki mainly :-) [11:18:09] hashar: you can join easily if you're interested, btw [11:18:36] hashar: could you clarify what you mean by "the tools section"? [11:19:00] did you edit http://socialcoding4good.org/organizations/wikimedia ? [11:19:03] yes. [11:19:20] that page show several sections "development team", "tools" [11:19:21] hashar: the second paragraph in "Tools" starts, "For remote collaboration Wikimedia uses IRC (#mediawiki on FreeNode)" [11:19:26] the later one does not mention the irc channel [11:19:36] oh my bad :-) [11:19:43] I was expecting a chat icon :D [11:19:47] hashar: but if you think that's not prominent enough -- ok [11:21:52] that looks good :-) [11:21:57] hashar: do you have a preferred chat icon? [11:22:12] the one from mediawiki ? :D [11:22:27] you mean the little green superscript "connect" ? [11:23:51] also, hashar: tell me more about your thoughts about OpenHatch. Are you saying that in general we should publicize our OpenHatch involvement more, to the world at large? to new volunteers? if so, why -- because it seems friendlier to new volunteers than mediawiki.org does, or for some other reason? [11:25:26] well I have never heard of OpenHatch before [11:25:52] I am not sure who had it setup. Maybe it was used for Google Code or something [11:26:04] Nope [11:26:06] it looks like a good interface to babysit newcomers [11:26:09] yeah [11:26:22] it was created by Asheesh Laroia and a few other FLOSS people [11:26:29] specifically as a newbie intake site [11:26:31] for FLOSS in general [11:26:33] so maybe you / developers could use that to help grow up new people [11:26:42] that's the idea :) [11:26:58] hashar: tell me what gave you the impression that it is not used anymore? [11:27:27] looking at the main page, http://openhatch.org/+projects/MediaWiki [11:27:48] the first question is 1 year ago, next one is 2 months ago, and then 1 month ago [11:28:02] so that is enough to trigger in my brain an "obsolete" warning :-D [11:28:23] ok [11:29:18] it is probably just me [11:29:25] no, not just you [11:29:26] but I usually don't spend more than 1 sec on a webpage [11:29:31] sure! [11:29:34] you are normal that way [11:29:37] unless I know the information is there [11:30:03] then I will look for it, and if I don't find it quickly I just look elsewhere [11:30:53] on a second reading. The question "I'd like to participate" did not receive any answer after one year :-) [11:31:35] yeah, (a) I got confused by the interface, which has changed, and answered via *another "question"* instead of an answer, and (b) I emailed that person offline [11:31:49] am answering now [11:32:15] also it sucks that even though there are other questions&answers more recently that have been voted up, they have not floated to the top, creating this false impression of obsolescence [11:33:33] *sumanah votes better answer/question pairs up in hope [11:33:55] another issue is that our community really live on wikitech-l mailing list and or mediawiki-l [11:34:31] so that OpenHatch thing seems a bit redundant although it will be probably more attractive to people not used to mailing lists [11:34:43] and most new internet users do not know about mailing lists (nor they know about IRC) [11:34:52] so that could be a good tool :D [11:35:02] or we could migrate anything to PHPBB *grins$ [11:35:06] *grins* [11:35:53] or maybe I am too old school already and we should use a ?????? [11:36:03] FaceBook page! \o/ [11:36:07] omg [11:36:29] hashar: right. OpenHatch is meant for newbies. [11:36:58] but nobody got an account on OpenHatch :p [11:37:01] hashar: It's meant to draw in people who are not used to IRC and who would be less used to mailing lists [11:37:05] hashar: what do you mean nobody? [11:37:24] whereas everyone got a Facebook account + they will show all their friends they are helping Wikipedia :D [11:37:45] sorry, I am just teasing you sumanah [11:37:48] hashar: ah I see what you mean. [11:38:09] hashar: you're talking to someone who does not have a Facebook account, btw. [11:38:18] OpenHatch sounds good and well suited for enrolling new people. Its drawback is the lack of audience. [11:39:00] sumanah: Facebook is like Google Plus. Although you get your high school "friends" asking you to become a farmer in an online game [11:39:13] and you eventually get spammed with "I got to pee" type of messages :( [11:40:19] anyway, we can start marketing the OpenHatch project page on mw.org [11:40:34] they seem to provide a "I want to help" button which we could add on our mainpage [11:43:03] hashar: well, given that you got the impression our OH page is abandoned, maybe we should fix it up first and make it look lively first. [11:43:32] probably [11:43:39] hashar: look again at the tools section of http://socialcoding4good.org/organizations/wikimedia - better? [11:44:01] the good point is there are already some people willing to help [11:44:21] that "connect" link is great! [11:44:31] vertical-align:super [11:44:53] hashar: ok. I also want to know whether anything on that SocialCoding4Good page is inaccurate [11:45:17] it looks fine to me [11:45:26] but I did not look at the "long engagement" projects [11:46:33] sumanah: I am going to get lunch (1pm there). Will be back later in the afternoon [11:46:38] bye [11:46:47] argh, that's what I most cared about getting feedback on :( [11:46:55] should have mentioned that [11:46:59] sumanah: ask the projects owners / developers maybe ? [11:47:26] maybe. I am not optimistic. [11:49:08] I am keeping the page open :-) [11:49:33] will be back later. I need to go downtown this afternoon [11:52:26] bye [14:11:35] hi guillom, how was your birthday weekend? [14:17:45] hi sumanah ; it was quiet and restful, thanks for asking. [15:00:48] was it your birthday? I hope you had a happy one :) [15:01:17] happy belated birthday! do celebrate all week, it's only proper ;-) [16:05:34] hi there hexmode, how are you? how was your weekend? [16:05:55] relaxing :) [16:06:33] :) [22:09:08] jorm: https://plus.google.com/113355196394505035098/posts/Z3SvzmKNiZQ [22:11:23] jorm: ha ha ha http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/197/692/angrylookinghippiewithapoint.png?1320881851 [22:17:04] apergos, copying Export.php from trunk over 1.18 gives a rather sane looking diff [22:17:22] ok [22:17:34] <^demon> Is there anything else to Export that's not reviewed? [22:17:40] that's a point [22:17:50] I really was going to do it and then I got socke dby our security report and a 2 hour meeting-phone call [22:18:01] bah, yeah [22:18:03] <^demon> Just r102575 [22:18:07] there's a fixme by diederik [22:18:18] *apergos goes to look [22:18:25] 0.6 schema isn't in REL1_18, so that's fine [22:18:29] https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?path=%2Ftrunk%2Fphase3%2Fincludes%2FExport.php&title=Special%3ACode%2FMediaWiki [22:18:38] So we could just pull it from ^demon's 101767 [22:18:45] <^demon> You could copy trunk up to 101767. [22:18:47] <^demon> Yeah [22:19:20] ah I see [22:19:36] I ran against those and they were fine (I have a local trunk branch going) [22:19:53] but yeah it is a schema update [22:20:06] <^demon> I set the fixme back to new, but still. [22:20:11] yeah [22:20:14] <^demon> I think we should just pull up until those changes for 1.18 [22:20:55] hmm I see my name added below but I don't think I got mails about it [22:20:57] weird [22:21:13] oh. my name was added then removed [22:21:39] can I get automatic emails for the ones marked dumps? [22:22:08] do we have such feature? [22:22:21] I don't know but it would be nice [22:23:00] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/103054 [22:25:49] yes good [22:26:14] :) [22:26:48] identical to what I run on 118wmf1 locally [22:26:56] awesome [22:35:09] wait so in the end all the merges are done? to both wmf1 and rel? [22:35:59] just these lot outstanding [22:35:59] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/tag/1.18wmf1 [22:36:10] i'm gonna merge a few of them now [22:36:25] wow awesome [22:36:36] thank you for doing mine *again* [22:36:47] :) [22:38:04] Seems this was saner/easier, so better all round [22:38:29] ok! [23:11:04] hexmode: bummer: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400063 [23:33:06] going to deploy a small change in UploadWizard -- any objections? [23:33:25] it's not scheduled, but it fixes a problem we had Thursday [23:39:21] Reedy: hey, I see you are committing some stuff re: protocol-relative URLs to 1.18wmf1 [23:39:27] Reedy: are you deploying that now? [23:40:12] Oh yeah, forgot about those [23:40:25] Fine to be pushed, and I'm about if needed [23:40:35] or I can run scap now first [23:40:38] Okay, I was about to push a much more trivial change... [23:41:11] well, we're cool with you deploying them both [23:41:16] and then I need to do a config change [23:41:37] I just svn up'ed on fenari anyway [23:43:42] Reedy: if I make a config change in wmf-config, does scap grab that as well? [23:43:50] yup [23:44:10] ok, I'm going to do one now [23:44:18] so we can test on test.wikipedia.org [23:55:10] Reedy: we are seeing some issues with our thing [23:55:43] Reedy: we may have to update another file [23:55:45] do you want to revert your c hange for now then? And I'll push mine so it's clean? [23:58:24] Reedy: well, we could also add a change that we are pretty sure fixes it. [23:58:46] or either way, if you want to get yours out now, we could revert and then do it later / tomorrow.