[00:13:39] hey neilk_, just so you know, I'm writing up that GSoC end-of-summer blog post now [00:13:51] thank you again for your email which Kevin posted at http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2011-September/055255.html [00:19:48] sumanah: yeah, it sank without a trace though -- might not have been phrased quite right [00:19:53] sumanah: I think I'd like to try again [00:20:35] neilk_: especially highlight "here's what we neeeeed" [00:20:36] specifically the security review [00:20:57] yeah, but I can't expect people to get excited unless we show momentum [00:21:11] might as well start acting like it's really going to happen, then we'll get people excited to stop us [00:21:16] ;) [00:22:05] neilk_: so: next step: security review of the code, getting a starter feed set up so that the Internet Archive can start archiving it, and campaigning to get Wikipedians to want it so the feature will get turned on [00:22:14] yeah [00:22:24] well they sort of want it already, we should just demo it somewhere [00:22:31] thanks hexmode for your email [00:22:42] also, I think kevin should not be able to be the bottleneck here [00:23:05] that said, if I'm the developer, then I'll be the bottleneck as this is way down my list of priorities :) [00:23:14] *rueful smile* [00:23:14] maybe we need someone else to take the lead [00:23:24] neilk_: someone who is not Kevin, and not you, and cares about this? [00:23:28] yeah [00:23:35] how about you? [00:23:35] neilk_: how about that Wikimedian who left extravagant praise on your talk page? [00:23:53] I was thinking, if he can program, and he probably can since he is aware of the code [00:23:59] let me reach out to him now [00:24:29] *sumanah reads http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:User_talk:NeilK/Kudos_for_Kevin%27s_ArchiveLinks_extension again [00:25:52] ok I'm using the email this user button [00:26:02] I don't see any other obvious way to contact him [00:26:26] makes sense to me, neilk_ [00:32:53] sumanah: actually [00:33:03] sumanah: why don't we just post to WikiProject:External_Links [00:33:16] neilk_: yes! this makes EVEN MORE sense [00:33:25] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_External_links [00:34:54] neilk_: I approve. You wanna post, or shall I? [00:35:06] Was just looking [00:35:10] Maybe we can post together [00:35:27] I imagine you saying that and then a sparkly rainbow appears [00:35:33] "maybe we can post.... TOGETHER!" [00:35:39] WONDERTWIN POWERS [00:35:55] oh wait, I forgot I am old [00:35:57] or Mighty Morphin Power Wikimedians [00:36:12] anyway [00:37:46] ok WikiProject External Links is a bit dead... Hydroxonium was an active member, but except for reverts and stuff I'm not seeing a lot of change since 2010 or early 2011 [00:40:46] neilk_: ok, so, I say we contact Hydroxonium + leave a pro forma msg on the WikiProject [00:40:54] yeah, perhaps [01:34:03] FINALLY. http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/09/22/gsoc-students-reach-project-milestones/ robla I match your wikitech-l post with my belated blog post :-) [01:36:02] well done! [01:45:38] sumanah++ [01:47:16] sumanah: Hm.. that's an exotic version of the MediaWiki logo there. [01:47:31] I like it :D [01:47:33] Krinkle: me tooooo [01:47:41] But is it official ? [01:47:46] *sumanah shrugs [01:48:24] Interesting. The original logo was co-authored by Eric [01:48:26] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki_logo.png [01:48:32] MediaWiki logo by en:User:Anthere (flower) and en:User:Eloquence (combination, concept). [01:48:39] never knew that! [01:49:00] that Erik Moller [01:49:09] a man of many surprising pasts, including flower design [01:49:23] like actual flowers ? [01:49:42] I meant just the logo [01:49:50] oh okay :) [01:50:06] Well, you mentioned many surprising pasts :P [01:50:14] Krinkle: when you said "that's an exotic version..." I was all getting ready to Defend My Choice [01:50:19] Krinkle: also he wrote a book you know [01:50:40] Krinkle: and I think he tried to start a company? I can't recall [01:50:53] Krinkle: take him for a walk to the Ferry Building next time you're in SF and ask him for his origin story [01:51:33] I had a fairly elaborate story exchange with him in Haifa and Berlin, but not really regarding the past a lot before wmf [01:52:00] Krinkle: I don't know YOUR backstory! [01:52:54] Krinkle: careerwise you can read a summary of mine here: http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/28/why-do-you-want-to-go-to-law-school/#comment-284064 [01:53:10] I'm all open. As a matter of fact I have an unscheduled storyteller-session scheduled to happen sometime in sometime soon. [01:53:24] I was pointing Lewis to that the other day, in explaining to him why it's valuable to have jobs in a variety of fields, to discover strengths & interests [01:55:07] k, gotta go now. Seeya later (getting late here) [16:52:25] hello [18:20:59] jorm: More random feedback dashboard questions: 1) when the user clicks "Set filters", should the update use AJAX (if available), or refresh the page? 2) where should the "What is this feature?" link point to? [18:21:23] 1) yes. it should also set a cookie to save the filter set. [18:21:47] 2) it will go to a page explaining it. like how article feedback has a "what is this feature" link, and moodbar. [18:22:14] Re 2) I get it, but how do I determine this? Config var or something? [18:22:48] uhm, good question. [18:23:15] how does moodbar do it? it should be something like Wikipedia:FeedbackDashboard or something. [18:26:47] You mean how does AFT do it? [18:26:56] AFT does it with an i18n message but that's been criticized [18:26:58] And rightly so [21:26:30] Nikerabbit: Could you look at https://gist.github.com/1238478 ? Basically I refactored Language::formatTimePeriod() to support returning stuff like '3 hours 10 minutes ago' rather than '3d 10m' [21:35:27] RoanKattouw: some fuzziness could be useful too [21:35:50] Yeah right now it says "1 minute 41 seconds ago" [21:35:53] That might be a bit overly specific [21:36:08] It does have 'avoidseconds' and 'avoidminutes' which drop things at a certain point [21:36:16] we probably need a whole new function in the long run [21:36:20] So it doesn't say '3 days 4 hours 10 minutes 45 seconds ago' but '3 days 4 hours ago' [21:36:33] *RoanKattouw cares about getting something live on Wednesday [21:36:46] I didn't realize we didn't even have a message for '$1 days' or '$1 ago' [21:37:21] Argh [21:37:31] The -abbrev messages are translated in a zillion languages [21:38:08] If and when I commit this, should I change those too? [21:38:13] (i.e. by prepending $1) [21:39:13] RoanKattouw: umm humm? [21:39:26] oh you changed them [21:39:43] I changed 'd' to '$1 d' [21:40:03] I figured that 1) made more sense and 2) was needed to compat with '{{PLURAL:$1|$1 day|$1 days}}' [21:40:07] *for compat [21:40:39] change the english only, optionally ping siebrand and raymond about that [21:40:59] OK [21:41:38] Does it look good to you otherwise? I.e. do you mind if I commit this like right now? [21:42:26] I guess it is fine (/me says eyes crossed) [21:47:20] Hmm, I ran the tests [21:47:25] Apparently it's $1s instead of $1 s [22:11:06] Hah, yay tests [22:11:16] I wrote tests for my code and they exposed a bug [22:11:54] yay! [22:12:17] '2 days 1h 1m 1s' [22:12:33] Was supposed to be '2 days 1 hour 1 minute 1 second', but I forgot to pass my new parameter in the recursion [22:23:05] tests for the win [22:23:23] Aye [22:23:35] I committed it, BTW, in r97962 [22:23:53] Could you put it on your review list? [22:24:27] RoanKattouw: just tag it nikerabbit, i18nreview or whatever, I need to get some sleep :) [22:24:34] OK [22:24:40] Yeah it's an hour later there, 1:30am [22:24:44] Damn; get some sleep :) [22:24:48] !r 97962 [22:24:48] --elephant-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/97962 [22:25:04] Oh, sweet, AJAX suggestions for tags! [22:25:09] gregdek: fyi http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/pipermail/libs-or/2011-September/010849.html I think I'll be putting a proposal on there, thought you might want to know for your own clients :) [22:25:13] isn't it :) [22:25:16] I've tagged it nikerabbit [22:25:26] good night everyone [22:34:01] RoanKattouw, oh dude those are awesome [22:34:09] i forget who committed it but i'm glad it's made it live :D [22:34:30] whee