[00:00:55] <jpostlethwaite>	does anyone know anything about phpunit testing and Selenium?
[00:01:18] <jpostlethwaite>	I am implementing Selenium testing for fundraising extensions
[00:02:07] <jpostlethwaite>	When I run php runSeleniumTests.php
[00:02:20] <jpostlethwaite>	I get the following error:
[00:02:21] <jpostlethwaite>	PHP Fatal error:  require(): Failed opening required 'Testing/Selenium.php'
[00:02:36] <jpostlethwaite>	from /tests/selenium/Selenium.php on line 7
[00:02:52] <sumanah>	jpostlethwaite: so Krinkle is a king of this
[00:03:09] <sumanah>	jpostlethwaite: you may be generally interested in reading http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Unit_testing
[00:03:12] <jpostlethwaite>	Does anyone know where that file (Testing/Selenium.php) is supposed to come from?
[00:03:23] <Krinkle>	jpostlethwaite: Selenium is no longer being maintained.
[00:03:45] <jpostlethwaite>	Thanks sumanah
[00:03:50] <Krinkle>	jpostlethwaite: It's too much of a hassle, instead we're looking for alternatives. In the mean time, we're focussing on unit tests (rather than smoke tests).
[00:04:23] <Krinkle>	PHPUnit is more important. Smoke testing happens a lot already by humans testing out and running their wikis on trunk. Nonetheless we are looking for a selenium replacement, but not a high priority right now.
[00:04:26] <jpostlethwaite>	ok, so if we are going to do selenium tests we are on our own? That is okay
[00:04:44] <Krinkle>	What are you looking to test exactly ?
[00:04:50] <sumanah>	jpostlethwaite: Sikuli seems to be in use in some places as a Selenium replacement, ever used it?
[00:05:10] <sumanah>	(I don't know anyone who is using it to test MediaWiki though)
[00:05:37] <Krinkle>	sumanah: I read your mail about it, it's nicer visually but doesn't address the concerns  / reasons we dropped Selenium for.
[00:05:39] <jpostlethwaite>	I have only used Selenium and phpunit
[00:05:53] <sumanah>	Krinkle: Markus Glaser is a Selenium user, as is Markus Krotsch I think - their names pop up in wikitech-l archives in case you want to take a look at what they have said about Selenium
[00:06:07] <sumanah>	sorry, I meant to tell jpostlethwaite that
[00:06:25] <sumanah>	Krinkle: yeah (re Sikuli)
[00:06:40] <Krinkle>	I know, but just saying. Sikuli is unlikely to be integrated into MediaWiki.
[00:06:48] <sumanah>	yeah
[00:06:51] <Krinkle>	or used as alternative for Selenium by WMF.
[00:06:57] <sumanah>	sure
[00:08:38] <sumanah>	btw, Krinkle, thank you for your summary re Commons stuff
[00:08:58] <Krinkle>	you're welcome
[08:31:49] <Krinkle>	RoanKattouw: http://pastebin.com/uabZSJMK
[10:10:51] <RoanKattouw>	Krinkle: http://blog.trevorparscal.com/2011/08/problem-solving-strategies.html
[12:27:23] <Krinkle>	RoanKattouw: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/Version_2_Design_Specification#Shared_gadgets
[12:27:33] <Krinkle>	scroll to Server-side / apis etc.
[12:29:51] <Krinkle>	RoanKattouw: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/Version_2_Design_Specification#ApiQueryGadgets
[12:41:06] <akshayagarwal>	is there different locale settings for different langauage wikis?
[15:26:32] <sumanah>	hexmode: got a moment?
[20:25:18] <sumanah>	TrevorParscal: I am curious about the spaceship
[20:25:33] <TrevorParscal>	ha ha
[20:26:04] <TrevorParscal>	i refactored a ton of code while Inez was out, so now we are finishing moving all the good parts into the new skeleton
[20:26:45] <sumanah>	cool