[14:00:25] *hexmode lurks [14:02:55] <^demon> It's not lurking when you tell people ;-) [14:03:20] it's the new transparent lurking [14:03:22] or something [14:04:40] I'm all about openness ;) [15:08:09] in case you're here for the triage: it has been pushed back 1hr [15:08:24] Yes, I should have said that 8 min ago [15:08:28] sorry :P [15:09:52] Oh so the time on the calendar is correct [15:10:25] RoanKattouw: yes, and I sent out an email to wikitech-l and offline-l with the update [15:10:36] after someone pointed out my screwup [15:12:27] "time is HARD" [15:12:36] lunchtime doubly so? [15:13:36] if only I had lunch at a predictable time.... [15:15:00] "when my stomach starts to groan" [15:15:18] siebrand: can we schedule a pre-i18n triage time on Monday? [15:15:33] hexmode: it's a Douglas Adams bit. "Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so." [15:15:52] ah [15:15:58] it makes so much sense now! [15:19:11] guillom: you usually work alone at home? Maybe that's why we have the stomach in common? [15:20:19] the stomach is a harsh mistress // apologies to Heinlein [15:22:09] hexmode, I work at home, but I'm not always alone. [15:23:13] guillom: now that my kids are starting class and my wife has begun working p/t I'll be alone more [15:23:25] lunch will be more sporadic still [15:23:37] <^demon> Does leaving the news on in the background count as company? I spend every day with the same news anchors...they almost feel like friends now :) [15:24:07] WFH is actually giving me sleeping problems lately [15:24:15] heh [15:24:15] I don't get tired enough, because I don't leave the house [15:24:29] *RoanKattouw is very ready to quit WFH and start working at the office [15:24:39] *RoanKattouw shakes fist at USCIS for being slow [15:24:41] RoanKattouw: yeah, you should start cycling every day [15:24:43] it helps [15:24:51] I used to when I was in school [15:25:04] I had to get from the train station to uni (~2.5mi) by bike [15:25:13] Yeah cycling helps, that is definitely true [15:25:23] maybe take up running? [15:25:25] I use it sometimes when I have more severe cases of messed-up sleep schedule [15:25:27] RoanKattouw, I have the same remedy for sleep & lunch: going to the gym in the morning, and coming back around lunch time (starving) [15:25:29] No, my body isn't made for running [15:25:29] or is that too american? [15:25:31] I cowork sometimes, which means at least I walk too the subway [15:25:33] to* [15:26:09] RoanKattouw: good, running is bad for the knees [15:53:06] triage here in 7 min [15:53:22] woot! [15:54:20] greetings v0lk3r [15:54:34] hi tomasz [15:56:01] just so I can start prepping -- what are the relevant etherpads, wiki pages, etc to open up and start looking at, for the triage? hexmode, tfinc, do you have the links? [15:56:22] http://eiximenis.wikimedia.org/BugTriage-2011-08 [15:56:32] v0lk3r++ [15:57:54] /topic http://eiximenis.wikimedia.org/BugTriage-2011-08 | Channel where WMF #mediawiki staff and community developers discuss and can be contacted about current WMF software projects http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_Projects | General MediaWiki channel: #mediawiki | Wikimedia servers administration: #wikimedia-tech | Channel logged http://ur1.ca/1e8l0 | Wikitech-l: http://bit.ly/wikitechLast / [15:57:55] [15:58:00] oops [15:58:27] *hexmode is a real IRC n00b [15:59:13] Please name yourself in the Etherpad so we have an idea of who you are, especially in case you write/edit/chat there [16:00:19] etherpad is filling up! :) [16:01:13] TIME [16:01:17] :) [16:01:22] shall we begin? [16:01:27] i think so [16:01:29] sure [16:01:48] #19830 -- can anyone reproduce? [16:02:36] and while we wait on that: 28206 - PDF generation does not support Complex Script Wikis [16:02:40] this is a theme [16:03:03] v0lk3r: are we hitting the limitation of the library with these complex font bugs? [16:03:04] what do we need to do to get Indic, Arabic, etc, better supported? [16:03:05] i take care of 19830 [16:03:12] i seem to remember that in our discussions [16:03:15] !bug 19830 [16:03:15] --elephant-- https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19830 [16:03:25] tomasz: yes we are. arabic and hebrew might just work out [16:03:29] http://ar.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=%D8%AE%D8%A7%D8%B5:%D9%83%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%A8&bookcmd=download&collection_id=9d5ee9c142224e6a&writer=rl&return_to=%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A+%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%AF%D8%B1%3A%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A+%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%AF%D8%B1 [16:03:57] i assigned 19830 to myself. I'll look into that [16:04:52] v0lk3r: "we are"?? what does that mean for indic languages? [16:05:17] Could santosh, the webfonts guy, help? [16:05:20] indic languages won't work with the toolkit we are using (reportlab) [16:05:23] no [16:05:32] I talked to him last year at wikimania [16:05:52] it's not only a font issue [16:05:56] ok... so what should we do about indic languages? [16:06:06] the rendering engine doesn't support diacritics good enough [16:06:15] should we have a "rewrite in PHP" bug? ;) [16:06:21] please no ;) [16:06:55] but seriously, indic ... what do we need to do? [16:07:04] can we fix reportlab? [16:07:10] the pdf export needs to be rewritten from scratch [16:07:15] fixing reportlab is hard [16:07:17] :P [16:07:20] I wouldn't want to do that [16:07:33] ok, so that is a new bug, right? [16:07:45] at least to track it [16:07:47] indic languages not working? [16:08:16] "pdf export should support indic languages and needs top be re-written" [16:08:26] s/top/to/ [16:08:51] that's an appropriate topic [16:08:57] and, do we have the skill for it? [16:09:03] does pediapress? [16:09:14] the skill yes, but not the resources unfortunately [16:09:49] :( [16:09:50] could the wmf localization team take it on? [16:09:54] I'd love to do it. But that would take an enormous amount of time. and every once in a while I need to focus on things that earn money ;) [16:09:59] we have a number of engineers starting up [16:10:25] hexmode: we should sync up with erik to either fund this OR have the localization team take it on [16:10:31] tfinc: you want to take point on that? think you can get resources? [16:10:34] right! [16:10:35] :) [16:10:43] glad we're on the same page [16:10:48] thats what I'm here for [16:11:00] put that as a todo for me and lets move on [16:11:06] Something tangentially related: I hear no one from PediaPress has SVN commit access at this time, is that right? [16:11:36] yes [16:11:49] oh .. lets fix that right now .. [16:11:51] Jojo was the only one and he left [16:11:56] :) [16:12:25] Someone, maybe v0lk3r , I don't remember, told me on BZ to "just fix" a certain bug because none of his people had commit [16:12:49] right [16:12:49] ChrisKepper should get commit access [16:12:52] I have asked Heiko, I think, via email for people to submit commit access requests [16:13:13] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access has the procedure, it's pretty simple, need a link to ssh key [16:13:26] RoanKattouw: that was me. [16:13:31] Ah [16:14:19] it would be nice if people took a look at the extensions when changing mediawiki code (and breaking extensions at the same time) [16:14:25] I can send the link to ChrisKepper's ssh key in a minute [16:14:29] A lot of people do [16:14:39] can we put that as a TODO? I'd like to get some input on: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27462 -- showing in PDF [16:14:57] v0lk3r: probably best to have Chris submit the req per the commit access request procedure, ensure everything's squared away [16:15:17] k [16:15:28] it sounds like #27462 should be easy for someone not-to-familiar with the code to fix, right? [16:15:37] hexmode: that's a bug apparently. I heard of it today for the first time. [16:15:49] schmir: Yeah Collection broke because of a core change I made, that's right [16:16:02] schmir: that's why this triage rocks! ;) [16:16:07] hexmode: sure. just give it a try and let me know when it's finished. [16:16:45] well, I'm not going to ... but maybe I can find someone or sumanah can to fix it [16:17:22] helderwiki: you're on! http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28060 -- Collection extension should not add chapters in reverse order [16:17:28] !bug 27462 [16:17:28] --elephant-- https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27462 [16:18:00] http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28060 - i will take care of this one. [16:18:02] hexmode: hi! ;-) [16:18:15] hey! [16:18:29] ChrisKepper: I think helderwiki filed it if you need more info [16:18:54] ok, http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30503 -- template exception for book maker (pdf export) [16:19:05] I couldn't get reza here, but... [16:19:16] hexmode: I'll have a look at #27462 [16:19:16] it looks like that is mostly done [16:19:28] schmir: :) [16:20:01] on #30503, it looks like we have a way to exclude templates already [16:20:08] but only on a global scale [16:20:20] any way to make it per-collection? [16:20:25] hexmode: yes, your comment on 30503 is all that can be said to the ticket [16:20:34] no, that's not possible [16:20:45] excluding templates per collection would be a completely new feature [16:21:03] so, tfinc, you're the feature man [16:21:16] *tfinc looks [16:21:21] I'm gonna give that bug to you and you can decide if it needs to be done [16:21:29] k [16:21:46] http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26330 -- collection contents lost when only loading js via https [16:21:57] can someone check that one? [16:22:10] i checked it and could not confirm it [16:22:23] ChrisKepper: did you leave a comment? [16:22:27] yes [16:22:46] :) [16:22:49] http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28118 -- The path to images [16:22:57] is that one easy as I think? [16:23:07] yes, i'll fix it. [16:23:25] ok... but we'll tag it just in case [16:23:57] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30511 -- Collection extention should place time stamp of revision extracted into the offline file [16:24:03] another easy one? [16:24:12] sort of ;) [16:24:22] do you really want that? [16:24:33] not "want" [16:24:54] v0lk3r: just looking for things that sumanah can point interested devs to [16:24:55] I had this discussion with someone else earlier. And the conclusion was that the link to the revision is sufficient [16:25:14] hexmode: ah, ok. [16:25:27] v0lk3r: could you make sure this is a comment in the bug? [16:25:53] I'll do that now [16:26:11] v0lk3r: we do actually. its not for licensing reason. its more so to date a colleciton [16:26:18] wild who's not in this channel requested it [16:26:45] now, a real question: is this really wanted? http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21653 Creating a PDF with collection extension does not render the tag hook from proofread page extension [16:26:46] ok [16:28:56] hexmode: what's unclear with that one? [16:29:27] schmir: I was just looking at the title, reading the comments, it looks like it is wanted/needed [16:30:01] schmir: you left the last comment? [16:30:06] hexmode: yes [16:30:10] :) [16:30:17] *helderwiki agrees that it is wanted [16:31:16] schmir: helderwiki would love you if you fixed it ;) [16:31:31] helderwiki: you have programming chops to help out? [16:32:10] or know someone on wikisource that could? [16:32:15] Err... some JavaJscript... [16:32:41] :) no time like the present to learn! [16:33:24] but, seriously, I think it would be a good thing [16:33:31] I don't know anyone on Wikisources who could help [16:33:42] :P [16:34:09] we need to find some mw hackers to help out on these bugs [16:34:44] don't know how many resources pp can put on this [16:34:53] but I'll be happy to beg :) [16:35:02] moving on... [16:35:14] http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20616 -- Name of excluded-in-print category cannot start with a namespace name [16:35:20] another exclusion bug [16:35:58] wontfix [16:37:07] schmir: please feel free to close it as such w/ comment [16:38:25] I'm just going to move through the rest of these in the last 20 min [16:38:27] http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21070 -- Add ids for more boxes at Special:Book [16:38:42] ChrisKepper? can you do it? [16:39:29] haven't looked at it yet - shouldn't be too hard [16:39:34] actually, that one looks like it is mostly in the php and drop-dead easy, right? [16:39:41] i will take care of it. [16:39:53] I have the patch ready. I just can't commit [16:40:05] I'll send it to ChrisKepper, he'll do it [16:40:20] heh... send it your ssh key v0lk3r ! [16:40:26] ok. thank you v0lk3r [16:40:27] s/it/in/ [16:40:31] http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21187 -- Change default value of coll-template_blacklist_title from "MediaWiki:PDF Template Blacklist" to "MediaWiki:Book Creator Template Blacklist" [16:40:45] hexmode: I can't programm php. And I don't want to learn it ;) [16:40:53] wontfix [16:41:01] lol [16:41:14] ok... [16:41:25] http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21504 -- Collection PDF generation doesn't handle elements [16:42:05] does anyone have an example for ruby? [16:42:15] v0lk3r: php is made so if you know HTML, you know half the story. Isn't that how most PHP people learn? [16:42:56] let's not discuss about php ;) [16:43:20] hexmode: we have about 15min left [16:43:21] v0lk3r: I'm almost thinking that the ruby thing is something to close as invalid [16:43:29] tfinc: yep [16:43:49] well, the bug report itself qualifies for that, since there is no example. but the issue is real I guess [16:43:58] if only to get a working demo of #21504 from whoever re-opens it [16:44:10] sure [16:44:19] I don't think it's terribly important [16:44:22] k [16:44:32] lets tag it as a testme [16:44:40] http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22707 -- Cascading page protection for /Print template subpages [16:44:43] schmir or myself could probably fix it. but without an example I don't know how hard it is [16:45:03] btw, do we have users in this room who can speak to how much these bugs affect them? [16:45:06] 22707: isn't that an issue in "core" mediawiki code? [16:45:41] sumanah: helderwiki is one [16:45:50] =) [16:46:07] sumanah: I tried to get another, but he was too far out of time [16:47:13] v0lk3r: good, something *we* php peeps can fix ;) [16:47:15] http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24972 -- Book editor panel must not use #siteNotice wrapper [16:47:26] I was thinking about #28064 and maybe it would require changes to MW itself, [16:47:26] that looks like another easy one [16:47:28] yep, thats good ;) [16:48:16] !bug 28064 [16:48:16] --elephant-- https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28064 [16:48:33] since MW doesn't have a way to add "external authors" in the list of editors of a page [16:48:58] (see the talk on english wikipedia) [16:49:24] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?oldid=434799094#augmenting_article_history [16:49:30] helderwiki: you are absolutely right. the collection extension can't do anything about external authors [16:49:58] another one for tfinc to prioritize [16:50:01] maybe it could have some new syntax for use in the collection pages [16:50:20] to indicate these authors (until the day MW provides this in the history of the pages) [16:50:23] note it on the list and i'll take a look [16:50:31] helderwiki: it would be better if the authors would be tied to articles and not collections [16:50:48] agreed [16:51:12] http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27952 -- openZim export should not drop categories [16:51:14] would it be better to open a new bug describing the problem about MW in general [16:51:25] helderwiki: yes [16:51:30] and mark as a blocker for the collection bug? [16:51:55] s/better/a good idea/ [16:51:56] 27952: should all categories of an article be displayed below the article? [16:52:26] and a click on a category opens a page which lists all articles in that category? [16:52:27] i need to talk to erikM about that one [16:52:28] tfinc: ? [16:52:33] ok [16:52:40] I remember some people was doing something related to the images/files for Wikimedia Commons, creating some new fields and/or tables for storing authors and other metadata about them... [16:52:44] he asked for that ages ago .. but we need to flush out the use cases [16:53:07] http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28057 -- Collection extension doesn't respect "uselang" url parameter on [[Special:Book]] [16:53:22] another one the i18n and mw devs can take care of [16:53:26] 7min left [16:54:03] what about adding support for different output formats (html, pdf like) in mediawiki? would solve #22707? [16:54:03] http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28061 -- Collection extension doesn't sort chapters when the user clicks on "Sort alphabetically" [16:54:31] That one affects people from Wikibooks, [16:55:10] hexmode: 28061 is about the UI of the collection extension. We (mainly ChrisKepper) are trying to improve that [16:55:41] schmir: "pdf like" ...you mean another way to do pdf that doesn't use the Collection extension? [16:55:43] hexmode: will you please give out a link to the page listing future bug triage topics? [16:56:03] 28061 is related to ! 28066 [16:56:07] sumanah: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bug_management/Triage [16:56:13] 28061: imho the ui of the manage your book page could be improved significantly [16:56:22] only planned for next week [16:56:25] we could address a couple of bugs with that [16:56:33] will try to get more [16:56:54] ChrisKepper: yes, ui is covered by quite a few different bugs [16:57:18] Would it be possible to have a future triage on Wikibooks specific bugs? [16:57:33] helderwiki: you're in luck [16:57:34] hexmode: no, a mode where one can view articles like they would appear in a pdf. [16:57:50] ah [16:57:57] something like '#ifpdf:' parser function [16:58:07] "if you print this, this is what you'll see" [16:58:34] could you file that as an enhancement request? [17:00:08] ok... time is up unless someone has an issue they really want to raise now [17:00:31] 26533 [17:00:32] hexmode: lets sync up when i get into the office [17:00:33] helderwiki: you have 20-30 bugs you'd like to focus on? [17:00:43] tfinc: :) [17:00:52] !bug 26533 [17:00:52] --elephant-- https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26533 [17:00:55] kind of =P [17:01:16] I mean for a wikibooks specific triage [17:01:18] ;) [17:02:10] v0lk3r: "Collection extension should accept lists of chapters generated by templates (e.g. expanding templates of a collection page before loading the collection) " [17:02:23] is that doable? [17:02:41] hexmode: give me a second [17:03:14] it is doable. but it might lead to trouble [17:03:18] hexmode: there is a set of bugs which are wikibooks-related at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=15071&hide_resolved=1 [17:03:33] basically the requirement is to expand all wikitext (like templates) [17:03:56] ah, well I guess it's hard [17:04:17] schmir: can you take a look at !bug 26533 [17:04:54] !bug 26533 [17:04:54] --elephant-- https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26533 [17:05:33] v0lk3r: (I think the bot only sees it at the start) [17:05:34] hi neilk_ [17:05:43] stupid bot... [17:05:44] hey multichill [17:05:57] multichill: how are uploads going ?? [17:06:37] hexmode: General or Wiki Loves Monuments? [17:06:46] neilk_: So what's the plan with the deploys? [17:06:59] are we done? [17:07:03] multichill: was wondering if you saw the speed improvment on your bot [17:07:14] multichill I am going to hand it over to Roan again this morning, I just want to check one last thing [17:07:26] hexmode: We found the problem (mark did). Got fixed and I closed the bug. [17:07:27] v0lk3r: if schmir can look at that bug... [17:07:55] hexmode: Do we have a tracker bug for complex script issues with PDF export other than bug 28206 ? [17:08:11] oh, hey, santhosh ! [17:08:27] you missed the indic discussion, I think [17:08:37] neilk_: Maybe you can give me bureaucrat at the prototype so I can hand out campaign creation flags [17:08:42] hexmode: Hi , sorry , I was a bit late. just read the logs [17:08:44] multichill: ok [17:08:54] santhosh: np [17:09:08] hexmode: if there is no tracker bug, bug 30508 is duplicate of 28206 [17:09:29] !bug 28206 [17:09:29] --elephant-- https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28206 [17:09:40] neilk_: Some people want to test too :-) [17:10:19] Multichill: Sure [17:10:34] http://commons.prototype.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AUserRights&user=Multichill [17:10:36] !bug 30508 [17:10:36] --elephant-- https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30508 [17:10:36] multichill: actually there's a whole other group, Upload Wizard campaign editor :) [17:10:52] neilk_: I know. I can't hand it out right now [17:10:56] bye guys. I need to go and put my daughter to sleep [17:11:30] night! [17:11:30] multichill: what I don't understand is why *i* can't give people the right... I thought I was 31337 on this box... oh well, to the databases [17:11:54] santhosh: did you get my email about the scheduling snafu? [17:12:13] neilk_: Aargh, check http://commons.prototype.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights [17:12:19] multichill -- wait a minute, I'm confused [17:12:27] santhosh: I think you're right thtat 28206 should be made into a tracker [17:12:42] neilk_: It's not implemented yet. Bureacrats can do this: Add groups: IP block exemptions, Bots, Administrators and Bureaucrats [17:12:44] probably lots off issues [17:13:12] multichill: what were you trying to show me about that page [17:13:21] multichill: "Aargh" was not sufficiently informative [17:13:38] hexmode: yes, I got it. [17:14:00] neilk_: That page shows the rights you have. As a admin you can hand out and remove certain groups. As a bureaucrat even more. Nobody has the right to hand out the group "Upload Wizard campaign editors" [17:14:01] k, didn't see you till the other time, so I wondered [17:14:16] So that's why you can't hand out the right (and me neither) [17:14:26] multichill: okay, sounds like a bug :) [17:14:41] check [17:14:50] Or just not implemented yet :S [17:14:56] schmir: you see #26533? [17:15:24] helderwiki: see pm [17:15:33] multichill: ok you now have bureaucrat [17:15:58] Do you mind if I hand out admin instead to some trusted people so they can test? [17:16:11] multichill: just cc me when you do [17:16:29] or, nm, I can just check the logs [17:17:02] this box is not high security, but be reasonable [17:17:17] neilk_ : Only people I know in person [17:28:54] santhosh: see pm? [17:29:18] neilk_: Maybe you can update prototype so all the licenses are visible? [17:30:01] mutlichill: yes -- I'll be done with this around noon PT, in 1.5 hours? [17:30:07] I have to do some other stuff first [17:30:12] No rush [17:30:17] Just to confirm it all works :-) [17:30:30] well there kind of is a rush, don't want to go ANOTHER day [17:30:32] :) [17:31:58] I'm in about 10 projects with tight deadlines. You get used to it :P [17:32:08] neilk_: You wanna deploy when again? [17:32:25] jorm: You have a window for an MB fixes deployment today noon-1pm, are you gonna use it? [17:32:27] RoanKattouw: I was thinking of giving you another patch around noon & then it's your choice [17:32:46] I have to do an interview around 3:30pm PT otherwise whenever [17:32:50] OK [17:33:01] We'll do it as soon as I get your patch and no one else is in my way [17:33:06] i believe there are some fixes that remain undeployed, yes. i'm not sure if they've been reviewed. [17:41:14] hi Raymond_ [17:43:53] hexmode: sumanah thanks for helping out with this triage [17:44:01] who are we feeling about how it went down ? [17:45:00] s/who/how/ I am guessing? [17:48:34] yes! [17:48:56] hexmode: you around? [17:51:39] Labs meeting coming up [17:53:45] RoanKattouw, Krinkle: There are moodbar fixes. I dont know if they have been reviewed. But I'd like them deployed, if so. [17:54:01] i guess hexmode isn't around [17:54:01] jorm: Let me check [17:54:11] I have a tonload of mail and bug spam to read through. Just got home 1 hour ago. [17:54:15] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/93706 [17:54:19] kaldari did some stuff at wikimania. [17:54:19] That the only new one [17:54:57] well, i've tested that revision; it works in my branch. [17:55:07] so i'll sign off on it! [17:55:18] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/93706 is unreviewed [17:55:20] That's the only one [17:56:03] yeah, that adds the "pokey" into the speech bubble. [17:56:18] BAHH [17:57:02] And http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/95405 is unreviewed because I just committed it [17:57:14] sumanah: tfinc: here I am [17:57:37] that's one line. what does that do? [17:57:49] It triggers data URI embedding for the image [17:58:03] on resource loader. goddit. [17:58:13] tfinc: I feel good right now: some bugs got some momentum [17:58:50] hexmode: but what are we counting as good enough? [17:59:09] tfinc: I now have a wikibooks triage planned for sept 14 so maybe we'll get some more volunteers then [17:59:56] sumanah: we're counting my feelings ;) It is a measurable result. I feel measurably better. [18:00:31] just to have had time with the pp people in conversation about bugs [18:00:32] hexmode: whom should I reach out to for that WikiBooks triage? any volunteers whom you know to be specifically interested in working on that? [18:00:44] sumanah: sec [18:01:03]