[02:43:23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Damiens.rf#A_beer_for_me.21 [05:53:35] Whats the state of WikiLove in terms of deploying it to non-wikipedia wiki's? [05:56:19] (specificly Wikinews. Specificly, I'm wondering if someone involved can answer http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?diff=1253232&oldid=1253060&rcid=1217282#WikiLove for me) [06:16:10] bawolff, don't you have problems with localization? [06:16:32] not for the english Wikinews... [06:16:37] I mean, does Wikinews use the same barnstar, food, kittens etc. etc. as en.wiki? [06:16:53] *bawolff is disturbed by the kitten thing [06:17:06] And nothing else? [06:17:13] Honestly, Wikinews isn't big into the award thing [06:17:30] We pretty much use the same one's as enwikipedia, because the images happen to be on commons [06:18:17] Although we do have a trophy image thats used a lot on wikinews, but not anywhere else, or at least it was in the early days [06:18:32] Things have improved but I'm not sure http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:WikiLove#Localization_4828 [06:19:04] rofl, beer is an option for this extension [06:19:14] bawolff, well, that's easy, you can add it to the default. I'm more worried about strane new things "imposed" on the community [06:19:18] it's the default... [06:20:31] I don't know, its an optional thing. If people don't like it they won't use it [06:20:50] I'm personally kind of skeptical about the whole thing [06:21:56] It reminds me too much of facebook style "So and so gave you a flying cow, click here to give someone a swiming gopher" [06:38:29] The extension makes it easier to do it, and makes those things "official". If they aren't of widespread use, they mustn't be default. [06:38:51] We need a careful localization... [07:17:32] ugga [07:18:08] Nikerabbit, ug? [12:16:50] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Wikilove_link_not_working_in_Classic_skin [13:13:50] kick the old skins... [13:38:30] <^demon> +1 [16:45:02] hi alolita :) [17:08:18] is howie around? [17:09:55] I don't see him at the office, though I do see a backpack at his desk [17:38:43] hi [17:39:50] hi hashar [17:40:01] so Cruise Control runs every hour? not every 2 min or every 2 hours? [17:40:43] someone said it was every 2 minutes [17:40:53] but the configuration says every hour (3600 seconds) [17:41:09] but maybe I have missed something [17:42:48] http://ci.tesla.usability.wikimedia.org/cruisecontrol/buildresults/mw?tab=metrics [17:42:55] if you look at the logs, it's somewhat irratic [17:43:04] though, ever hour when stuff is going on seems to be what it's doing [17:43:24] people can manually trigger a build [17:43:58] it is 1 hour after completion of the last build. Each build take roughly 3-4 minutes [17:44:36] and if there is nothing new, it will not trigger a build [17:45:01] thanks hashar [17:46:59] <^demon|away> Build should be closer to 2.5m now [17:48:20] <^demon> hashar: Can you make any sense of what I'm getting here? http://ci.tesla.usability.wikimedia.org/cruisecontrol/buildresults/mw [17:48:58] ;))) [17:50:32] I have no idea. The last known code is $command->run($_SERVER['argv'], $exit); [17:50:43] I have manually asked for another build [17:51:28] <^demon> I did that one manually after my ApiTest fixes. [17:51:41] <^demon> They pass locally. [17:53:54] I get some RandomImageGenerator: dictionary file not found or not specified properly [17:55:04] the stacktrace is after the result "OK, but incomplete or skipped tests!" [17:57:37] <^demon> How do you get the RandomImageGenerator one? [17:57:48] <^demon> I'm getting all OK except for skipped/incomplete. [17:58:01] ^demon: google seems to say it is realted to $_SESSION being passed a numeric key. [17:58:07] about randomimage [17:58:37] on ci, look at /home/ci/cc/antBuilderOutput.log [18:00:55] *^demon ssh's in [18:04:37] <^demon> hashar: We need php5-imagick for RandomImageGenerator. [18:04:41] <^demon> I can install that now. [18:04:56] and a word dictionary [18:05:15] <^demon> Weird, it says it's there. [18:05:31] <^demon> i php5-imagick [18:06:22] bah [18:07:10] can you install the 'wordlist' package please ? :-) [18:07:18] looks like you have the lock [18:11:45] ^demon ? :) [18:24:24] ^demon: I have killed your aptitude session to install wordlist [18:24:32] <^demon> Ah ok [18:25:27] sudo wars? [18:25:29] sorry for any trouble it may have caused [18:25:34] triggered a new build [18:26:10] jesus. google plus' photo uploader is pretty damned slick. [18:26:13] /usr/bin/exiv2: No such file or directory [18:26:14] great [18:26:39] hashar, you can set the $wg variable to false [18:26:55] shouldn't it be the default? [18:27:28] hmm [18:27:29] no, we [18:27:34] neeed to catch the error [18:35:19] Platonides: now throwing an exception [18:35:34] I am heading out. Will see you sunday evening maybe [18:35:35] have fun [18:35:46] ^demon: I havent found the root cause for the build error, sorry :( [18:36:12] have a good evening/night! [18:47:27] hrm. my personal google account has the new look and feel for calendar, but my wmf one does not. [18:49:13] jorm: google apps always gets updated later [18:49:29] similarly, google+ likely won't come to apps till much later [18:58:30] my GSOC student is worried about replag - there's one job that writes to the wiki and another that reads [18:58:51] what strategies do people usually use to overcome that in wikimedia-land? [18:59:00] do they do quick sneak peaks on the master? [18:59:12] the api can give you the max lag value [18:59:22] ie the most lagged slave against the master [18:59:43] yeah, but what do you do with that information [19:01:23] he's basically writing a queue. The queue might have two similar items due to replag [19:01:34] and he wants to fix this on the consuming side of the queue [19:02:00] Fail irc client is fail [19:02:13] tbh i'm just happy as fuck google decided to hire a designer who apparently has the teeth to overcome their nerd-centric design style. [19:02:15] reedy: i'll repeat it [19:02:18] in theory, against the maxlag value, you wait that time before making your request. IIRC [19:02:55] jorm: apparently it was Andy Hertzfeld!! [19:03:27] ... [19:03:29] he would have the teeth. [19:03:36] true story [19:03:46] i used to walk past Andy Hertzfeld's desk every day [19:03:53] in quiet awe, of course [19:04:03] none of the people I work with even knew who he was [19:04:08] s/work/worked/ [19:04:33] however, he was working on something that seemed totally lame at the time -- he was creating MacPaint in JavaScript [19:04:45] I guess it was a useful exercise though [19:05:35] jorm: aren't you on a ski slope? [19:06:01] not yet. we won't leave until later. [19:12:15] macpaint in js? hey that'd be fun :D [19:12:21] even better: kidpix [19:21:36] jorm/or some other wikilove person: Are there plans to deploy wikilove to other wikis? [19:21:57] we do not have plans to deploy to other wikis *at this time* [19:22:20] if it proves to be successful, or do what we want it to, i would be willing to bet that it gets deployed. [19:22:26] but it'll need a lot of localization, etc. [19:23:00] Andy Hertzfeld posted on G+ about the UI design of G+ https://plus.google.com/117840649766034848455/posts/FddaP6jeCqp [19:23:30] jorm, want to answer http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User_talk:Bawolff#WikiLove for me by any chance? [19:25:50] {{done}} [19:26:39] are you on plus, neil? [19:26:54] jorm: no. I have some people promising invites [19:27:01] jorm: you? [19:27:06] oh right, you are [19:27:17] would like to try it [19:27:48] yeah. it's kind of neat. [19:27:58] i'll open the invite flood when i can. [19:28:29] jorm: thanks [19:28:40] neilk_: thanks for the link! [19:28:43] "One thing that I learned during the launch of the original Macintosh in 1984 was that the press usually oversimplifies everything, and it can't deal with the reality that there are many people playing critical roles on significant projects. A few people always get too much credit, while most people get too little, that's just the way it has always worked. But luckily, it's 2011 and I can use the service that I helped to create t [19:28:43] o clarify things." Awwwww. [19:29:07] it's even more revoltingly nice in the comments, most of the people he mentions give props right back [19:29:28] hug-huddle! [19:29:50] Google Circle Jerk [19:30:34] *sumanah is still working on this testing doc [19:30:54] neil: when you see plus' photo uploader, you're going to cry. [19:31:15] Dude [19:31:18] also the album management system, everything. [19:31:20] hexmode, robla: when you have a second I need one of you to help me understand whether the QUnit/PHPUnit testing we're doing is *unit* testing, *integration* testing, or some unholy hybrid [19:31:24] UW does not represent my vision of the state of the art of anything [19:31:29] oh, i know. [19:31:40] UW is the best I can do within the MW framework and our no-closed-source policy. [19:31:49] it's just one of those things where you go, "FUCK. If we just had the resources, and the ability to just do what is needed...." [19:32:05] And, my ability to negotiate an actually decent design with certain people who will remain nameless [19:32:16] the ability to radically alter simple shit like image display pages. [19:32:18] or galleries. [19:32:19] or anything. [19:32:34] without having to go through 4 million hoops. [20:29:31] Reedy: i imagine you might've seen this already but wikimedia-commits list put a commit i made into the approval-required-queue :( which is weird because i've made commits before that have gone out to the list automagically [20:31:58] The *@svn.wikimedia.org emails should all be whitelisted [20:32:08] hrm [20:32:20] ^.*@svn.wikimedia\.org [20:32:30] should be ^.*@svn\.wikimedia\.org ? [20:32:49] Maybe [20:32:58] It seemed to work when I tried it, or so I thought... [20:33:13] yeah and other commits have come through [20:37:16] meh, i changed the regex to ^.*@svn\.wikimedia\.org and am not seeing the same problem anymore ^_^ [20:37:52] the emoticons that come with colloquy are weird and do not come close to what i imagine their ascii versions to look like... [20:38:43] haha [23:28:54] as I reply to a zillion people I met at a conference, telling them about 1.17.0, and about PhotoCommons, and about our job openings, I feel sort of like an AI [23:29:30] matching up coarse person-descriptions scribbled on business cards with the 5 interesting URIs at my disposal [23:36:55] sumanah: maybe scan them and put it up on Mechanical Turk :) [23:37:11] *sumanah laughs aloud [23:38:04] !bug 29531 [23:38:04] --elephant-- https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29531 [23:38:08] who needs me when you have OCRFeeder + Hadoop + Eliza [23:38:08] Reedy: how bad is bug 29531? [23:38:41] "how do you feel about Systems Engineer?" [23:39:19] robla, it'll affect some people, but AFAIK it's not that widely used [23:41:10] perfect, thanks! [23:41:25] *robla actually had irl convo with Reedy to clear it up [23:42:05] I'm going through the 1.17 postmortem notes, and that bug was referenced as a possibly embarrassing one