[12:40:54] hi [12:43:53] salut hashar [13:09:48] guillom: pas vu ton message :b [13:10:09] heh [13:14:53] je ne faisais que passer pendant la compilation de hiphop php :b [13:15:06] je file planter des tomates cerises :-) A bientot ! [14:37:55] http://toolserver.org/~kaldari/uploader/ - new mass uploady thing [15:55:26] I'm being asked when Wikimedia Labs will launch [15:55:43] so GLAM people can decide whether to put a project onto that or onto toolserver [15:55:58] guillom & ops people -- any thoughts? [15:56:19] sumanah, Labs haven't been officially approved AFAIK [15:56:31] We won't know until the budget is finalized. [15:57:16] Is it possible to have stuff .... we need to host it & start development by September.... (they say) [15:57:18] +osm / maps need labs too [15:57:50] What exactly do they "need"? [15:58:09] It's being suggested here at the GLAMCamp NYC meeting that it is possible to develop on toolserver first then move to labs [15:58:09] ohai aude & sam [15:58:15] ohai [15:58:15] Reedy: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/GLAMcampNYC-metrics-proposal [15:58:20] That makes sense. [15:58:22] Reedy: something outside toolserver to move towards stable maps rendering for enwiki [15:58:28] *^demon|away raises hand [15:58:30] <^demon|away> Labs? [15:58:32] and do more experimental stuff on toolserver [15:58:41] <^demon|away> (I thought labs was a bunch of prototype-esque things) [15:58:49] labs or something outside toolserver [15:58:52] question being asked: are toolserver people & labs people collaborating on the new labs (virtualized server env) [15:59:03] WMF "borrowed" two of our servers for fundraising [15:59:22] *aude wants our servers back or equivalent [15:59:25] aude: who's "us" in this context? [15:59:44] WM-DE paid for 3 servers for OSM / maps projects, we have one now [16:00:13] sumanah, AFAIK there is no labs atm. [16:00:15] we = WM-DE + kolossos + me + other osm/wiki folks [16:00:21] Labs may be funded in the next fiscal year [16:00:44] guillom: and until we have certainty re funding, there's no certainty re a delivery date. correct? [16:00:58] I can't see anything specific actually needed on there [16:01:00] correct [16:01:08] If they need webspace (with scripting stuff) and DB, toolserver would work [16:01:08] aude: when was this, and who did it? if you have a name, I can bug him/her [16:01:16] Shouldn't be much effort to move it to the labs if they get approved [16:01:21] <^demon|away> Nobody answered my question :( [16:01:34] Reedy: they are focusing on general benefits needed & how to sell it to stakeholders first, then will make a functional/technical plan afterwards [16:01:45] ^demon|away, think something like TS on WMF stuff [16:01:50] <^demon|away> Ah ok :) [16:01:52] ^demon|away, Labs is a project that may or may not happen (Erik's pushing for it) and that may replace part of the toolserver. [16:02:05] <^demon|away> See that was easy, thank you both :) [16:02:07] ^demon|away: see http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/mwhack11Fri -- Ryan Lane's presentation [16:02:54] sumanah: talk to danese [16:03:21] aude: do you have a paper trail that you can forward to me? [16:03:31] <^demon|away> sumanah: Oh, "Labs" is the new name for his project? I've known about his virt project since he first mentioned it ~6 mos ago. [16:03:31] no [16:03:48] *aude can pester danese [16:04:00] Aude, I hate toolserver tools because they are not reliable [16:04:14] ^demon|away, no, Ryan's project isn't exactly Labs. [16:04:33] not only that only a few are localisable [16:04:38] guillom: I am mistaken, then! [16:05:09] the tools of Magnus are especially bad because they have such potential and nobody takes them to the level where they are needed [16:05:14] I think it's only slightly related sumanah [16:08:46] GerardM-: that's what we're talking about... taking these metrics/ tools beyond prototypes or proof of concepts [16:09:04] good [16:09:20] GerardM-: there's a new upload tool Kaldari and Maarten (multichill) are working on this weekend [16:09:22] when there is a budget I may have a developer doing the works [16:09:23] magnus tools are great as prototypes / proof of concepts [16:09:37] yes [16:09:45] and for osm, we want to move beyond hacks and prototypes [16:09:47] but we rely on them and so do GLAMs [16:09:58] Aude, I love to hear that [16:10:09] to have stable rendering + keep toolserver experiments / styles etc [16:10:28] are you happy when I blog about that ?? [16:14:32] GerardM-: not yet [16:14:34] please [16:17:46] thanks for the answers, Reedy, guillom [16:17:53] np [16:24:57] stop working on sunday!!! [16:25:17] hashar: I had Berlin and then NYC. 2 conferences in a row. Not so much a choice.... [16:25:40] hashar: imagine how much more travel & weekend work there is for Liam! [16:27:05] as long as you some time to rest... it is fine [16:27:35] *guillom hands hashar a verb. [16:27:39] beware of burnout [16:27:49] *hashar thanks guillom [16:27:54] :P [16:28:01] as long as you *have* some time to rest.. it is fine [16:28:12] Lol, rest [16:28:20] I should probably write my sentences in one go and avoid browsing in the middle of a sentence [16:29:06] But then I wouldn't be able to annoy you. [16:31:06] hashar: thanks. I try to. for example, I have been skipping the GLAMCamp NYC social events so I can rest and be at home with my spouse. [16:31:27] great!! [17:02:06] hurrah, found my english resume! [17:03:28] <^demon|away> Now if only you could find your old english resume. [17:03:33] <^demon|away> Then the fun could start. [17:04:18] hashar, don't bother with a CV, just email WMF with "canhasjob? ihassvnandshellnao" [17:04:42] since it is probably going to be send to the HR guys [17:04:58] I will try to avoid the 31337 speak :b [17:05:00] I've no idea what the process actually is [17:05:08] neither do I [17:05:10] robla might know if he's about.. [17:05:25] what should I know? [17:05:36] How Hashar can apply for a job [17:05:39] do HR sort through and forward on job applications? [17:05:59] I did once already :p so I am just going to send an email to jobs@wikimedia.org [17:06:04] and eventually cc danese [17:06:23] hashar: when did you apply, and which position? [17:06:40] *Reedy thinks hashar should apply for Wikimedia Merchandise Manager [17:07:04] on thursday I received an HR notice at my daily job, blaming me for coming at work wearing three quarter pant [17:07:07] got me upset [17:07:12] so I am quitting my job :b [17:07:35] hashar, the only clothing rule I've heard from the WMF, is EVEN if you are working from home, you've gotta wear pants during meetings [17:08:05] yeah, the pants aren't optional :P [17:08:17] the issue is not the pants, the issue is the way they sent me the notice [17:08:26] lol [17:08:30] that was totally impersonal and 3 or 4 weeks after the event [17:08:34] hashar, answer what robla asked! [17:08:55] robla: I applied in may 2009 if I remember correctly [17:09:08] lol [17:09:14] recent much? :P [17:09:19] hashar: I see that now....you probably want to update your resume and reapply :) [17:09:23] was for a software developer (in reserve) job [17:09:55] You applying against "Software Developer Backend (General)" this time? [17:10:03] na [17:11:09] well I might [17:11:23] <^demon|away> Nobody ever told me the pants rule. [17:11:24] there is just too much offers in the "technology" part. I dont know which one to pick [17:11:48] ^demon|away: you get amnesty as long as you *don't* confess to any past breaches [17:11:48] hashar, with being a known person to WMF, applying more "generally" shouldn't be too much of an issue [17:11:56] *robla doesn't want to know [17:12:20] <^demon|away> I was just commenting on the lack of covering the "pants rule" during the onboarding process. [17:12:37] <^demon|away> We should send a memo to Daniel ;-) [17:13:02] You won't hear back about it, not being on the staff mailing lists ;D [17:13:32] hashar: it's probably best if you figure out what looks most interesting to you. if you have any questions about the positions, let me know [17:13:43] well [17:13:49] everything is interesting :b [17:14:03] even the chief of finance and administration looks cool :-) [17:14:09] foreach job in list send cv? [17:14:10] ;) [17:14:25] <^demon|away> Deputy General Counsel. [17:15:01] Oh, CodeWeavers crossover is on sale today if anyone is interested [17:15:41] <^demon|away> Buy? Software? [17:16:01] Mac OSX doesn't come free... [17:17:17] <^demon|away> Pfft. I paid for the pretty silver case. [17:21:15] for the last years, I have only windows to play Team Fortress 2 b: [17:22:16] 'only used ...' [17:24:32] *RoanKattouw gives hashar some more verbs [17:25:16] guillom gave me some already. Danke Schoen! [17:26:46] <^demon|away> Save them in a jar, so you'll have one handy next time ;-) [17:28:14] or I could refactor the English() class to use less ->verbs [18:22:16] Etherpad.wikimedia.org is now actively interfering with my attempt to use it.... may switch to an alternate for the last 2 hours of this conference [19:17:29] resume done [20:32:38] sent!