[00:31:39] TrevorParscal: awjr , I'm assuming from Arthur's latest email that deployment tomorrow at 7:30am is off the table [00:31:58] howief: not necessarily [00:32:14] i'll either get to it later tonight or Roan will fix it [00:33:03] ok [00:33:27] but we'd have to test on test.wikimedia [00:33:42] which is fine -- i just think we need to allocate time for that [00:33:55] also, there were a few other fixes in my email [00:34:15] I think the most important one is keeping users from submitting their email twice [00:34:31] howief: testing on test.wikimedia is budgeted into deploy time - in theory, we just rely on test.wikimedia as a sanity check. all testing should be complete prototype [00:34:34] there's also the flashing of the client-side email verification [00:34:42] yup [00:34:51] as for the other issues you raised in the email... i can't really speak to those [00:35:07] i guess it depends if trevor has time to look at them [00:35:18] yeah i think so, or timo i suppose [00:35:35] ok [00:36:42] but i suppose that if anyone gets to fixing those, it'll be at a time when you wont be available for sign-off before the scheduled deployment [00:36:47] howief: ^ [00:37:00] well [00:37:09] i can check back in later tonight [00:37:32] it's important to get this out, but i don't want to release if the code hasn't been properly tested [00:37:37] definitely [00:37:59] ok - i have no idea what time roan or timo will be back on, or whether or not trevor will be back tonight to work on anything [00:38:03] ok [00:38:12] well i'll email the group then with some suggested priorities [00:38:20] if we get to them by deployment time, great [00:38:24] i finished the generic bucket system [00:38:25] if not, we'll have to delay [00:38:31] awesome [00:38:45] which is going to be used for 3 things in AF, and will be useful for other things too [00:38:50] yup [00:38:51] now all the bucketing stuff is part of core [00:38:53] cool [00:38:57] how can we test the bucketing? [00:39:44] well, the thing that is already implemented is the tracking buckets [00:39:56] so, we can set how much of the userbase to track [00:40:10] in production? [00:40:15] not yet [00:40:19] in production we track everyone [00:40:25] this was requested last week [00:40:33] because we are turning this on sitewide soon [00:40:44] and need to make sure we don't melt the click tracking system down [00:41:16] so what new code are we going to deploy to get the A/B testing of the expert question? [00:41:29] same code [00:41:35] it solves that problem too [00:41:35] ok [00:41:44] just have to hook it in, but that's the simple part [00:41:44] so can we test the a/b on prototype? [00:41:48] sure [00:42:06] i mean, it's not on prototype yet [00:42:11] ok [00:42:13] but, when it is, we can test it there [00:42:14] of course [00:42:18] ok cool [00:42:50] so we would just open up a bunch of browsers and see if some get one UI and others get another? [00:43:26] and then we would use the reports similar to the one you generated for click tracking the section edit links? [00:47:48] or clear your cookies so you get rebucketed [00:47:49] either way [00:48:05] ok [00:48:21] so do you think we should try to make tomorrow's 7:30 deployment? [00:48:42] feels like things are a little rushed [00:52:46] howief, TrevorParscal: aside from the email_capture table not being present in the db on prototype, how far away are we from being feature complete for this release? [00:56:04] so i just spoke to erik and he's okay if we don't deploy to production tomorrow [00:59:50] i just added the options hide/show bucketing [01:00:00] new bucket system is nice so far [01:00:15] howief: I just want to make sure we have ample QA time [01:00:23] that matrix is worth filling [01:03:59] back in 15 [01:04:45] howief: also, the ratings data has a "design bucket" field in the API already, we've put it there for this sort of thing - I'm using it for the hide/show options thing [01:04:51] 0 is hidden, 1 is shown [01:05:04] so the rating data will be able to be easily attributed to a UI with the options shown or hidden [01:08:17] ok, taking off [01:08:20] cyall [01:20:57] howeif: you still around? [14:00:04] RoanKattouw: good mornin/afternoon [14:01:14] Morning [14:01:26] so [14:01:35] i am totally unclear on the current state of AFT [14:03:30] do you know if it's in a sane state for deployment? [14:04:30] Nooo idae [14:04:41] Howie did say he wanted to talk about production deployment scheduling at the 10:15am scrum [14:04:46] Which suggests we should deploy before that time [14:04:56] <^demon> RoanKattouw: I win :) Nikola sent me an e-mail [14:04:57] <^demon> "For this lightning-fast merge you have a beer from me if we meet :)" [14:05:09] haha [14:05:12] Nice [14:07:04] RoanKattouw: i don't read what howie said quite the same way, but if you have enough confidence in the current codebase to push to production, i'll follow your lead :p [14:07:42] I'm not gonna make that call [14:07:54] If the people who want to get it deployed aren't clear enough, that's their fault [14:09:00] fair enough. in that case, i think we should wait [14:09:53] Well [14:10:12] We can deploy EmailCapture without enabling it [14:13:19] since i woke up early anyway it would be nice to do SOMETHING [14:13:46] that sounds good to me, so we can push the code EmailCapture, not enable it, and not push out any updates for AFT? [14:18:14] <^demon> Merge fast, die young. [14:18:20] <^demon> Break the site :) [14:18:29] :p [14:18:37] Yes, sounds good [14:18:52] Have you ever deployed a new extension before? [14:18:57] And do you have commit access to 1.17wmf1? [14:19:12] no and i think so [14:19:17] <^demon> We can find out :) [14:19:46] <^demon> No he doesn't. [14:19:50] <^demon> (have wmf/ access [14:19:56] ahha [14:19:59] Can he have it? :) [14:20:13] ^demon: my svn user name is awjrichards [14:20:24] <^demon> I think we've got enough to constitute a quorum :) [14:20:44] <^demon> Oh wait, somebody didn't alphabetize. [14:20:47] <^demon> You do have access. [14:21:00] heh [14:21:07] *^demon makes it alphabetical again [14:21:15] i could've sworn i'd merged something to it before [14:22:10] OK well since this is a new extension, you just copy it from trunk to 1.17wmf1 [14:22:19] (Using svn copy to preserve history of course) [14:22:33] oh no merging fun? [14:24:08] Nope [14:24:16] That's only if there's a previous version [14:24:20] You'll have merging fun with AFT, don't worry [14:26:23] RoanKattouw: ok EmailCapture copied [14:26:29] svn up on fenari? [14:26:44] Yes [14:26:52] Keep an eye ofut to see if it updates anything else [14:28:06] would it be better to just update EmailCapture? [14:28:24] You can try just updating the extensions dir [14:28:35] But these accidental updates almost never happen [14:29:10] <^demon> Accidental updates happen all the time :p [14:29:44] heh [14:29:49] That's just your impression because you deploy code less often ;) [14:29:49] hmm svn working copy is locked [14:29:55] Bah [14:29:56] svn cleanup then [14:30:33] awjr: BTW, any idea who's responsible for this editor survey? It's generating a lot of complaints from the community and nlwiki wants it turned off [14:30:43] mani [14:31:02] Also, the bugs filed against it are assigned to Naoko, and unless I missed something big that can hardly be right [14:31:13] lol [14:31:23] there are bugs filed for the editor survey? [14:31:47] ok svn up just up'd Emailcapture [14:32:32] Cool [14:32:43] mmm add it to the extension list? [14:32:43] Now you need to follow the procedure for extension stuff [14:32:45] Yes [14:32:58] and not bother with any other config? [14:33:04] <^demon> RoanKattouw: I deploy CR updates all the time ;-) [14:33:26] Oh look we forgot something already [14:33:27] "Add new extensions to make-wmf-branch/default.conf " [14:33:34] awjr: Yeah leave the config alone for now [14:33:45] <^demon> Sometimes I merge them, and then don't svn up. [14:34:12] <^demon> And Roan doesn't pay attention when he svn ups and scaps. [14:34:13] Yeah usually it's Siebrand (or someone else with branch access but no push access) that puts stuff in [14:34:14] <^demon> And breaks CR :) [14:34:16] Yeah [14:34:19] TBH [14:34:22] You svn up'ed that oen [14:34:51] IIRC you svn up'ed but didn't deploy, or something like that [14:34:52] <^demon> Good thing for you I'd already put the db patches in ;-) [14:34:56] hah [14:35:02] <^demon> I merged, you did a general svn up + scap [14:35:12] <^demon> I never got a chance to login to fenari. [14:35:17] Oh, hm [14:35:34] So then the conflict markers were due to a botched merge rather than a botched svn up? Hmm whatever [14:37:20] awjr: So yeah just add it to extension-list [14:37:30] Then try to run scap and hope it doesn't throw [sudo] prompts in your face [14:37:39] I *think* that should be fixed now but I haven't tried since [14:37:45] i did, the maintenance script is giving me an error [14:37:51] ? [14:37:55] mergeMessageFileList.php ? [14:38:08] yeah saying include_once failed for EmailCapture [14:38:32] Oh, right, it's stupid tat way [14:38:49] You have to run /home/catrope/sync-common first [14:38:49] lol is it supposed to do that? [14:38:57] ah [14:39:04] (Because sync-common itself is broken for non-roots) [14:39:06] should i be in the extensions dir for that? [14:39:09] *RoanKattouw adds to deploy docs [14:39:11] or does it matter? [14:39:12] Doesn't matter where you are [14:39:40] <^demon> RoanKattouw: Can we just give you root to fenari so you can sort out these script/permission issues once and for all? [14:39:59] <^demon> Since you keep finding them, making workarounds, and banging heads for someone to fix them For Real This Time. [14:40:10] that resulted in a bagillion rsync failures - is that to be expected? [14:40:46] ^demon: This was proposed before but never got anywhere [14:41:05] awjr: Yes. I forgot, I don't get them that much now because I'm the creator of the current code directory :) [14:41:18] But yeah syncs will flood your screen with harmless rsync errors [14:41:26] heh ok so i'll ignore them and run the maint script again [14:41:28] About "can't set times on foo/bar/.svn/baz" [14:41:38] Cluster-wide syncs are even worse [14:41:43] which happily worked this time [14:41:45] Same amount of errors times ~300 [14:41:49] Cool [14:42:04] now we scap? [14:42:15] ^demon: If you want to argue that to ops be my guest, but I'm not someone to argue for his own root access [14:42:24] Yes [14:42:30] Let's see if scap is fixed [14:42:38] by trying it [14:42:41] *^demon bets $3 it isn't. [14:42:46] <^demon> Any takers? [14:42:56] I'll take it [14:43:06] i just run scap extensions/EmailCapture (after logging of course)? [14:43:12] No, just scap [14:43:15] And !log what you're doing before you do it [14:43:17] k [14:43:26] e.g. !log Running scap to deploy EmailCapture extension (not enabled on any wikis yet) [14:43:32] And remember !log doesn't work in this channel [14:44:09] runnin scap [14:44:43] i dont recall there being so many rsync errors when i ran scap once before [14:44:58] all kinds of permisions denied [14:45:03] do i care? [14:45:11] Failure to set times on X probably [14:45:18] No, they're all harmless [14:45:19] <^demon> Surprise surprise. [14:45:21] cool [14:45:23] ok, scap is done [14:45:26] Whee [14:45:32] So you didn't get any [sudo] prompts? [14:45:39] and it gave you your shell back [14:45:52] oh i should've read the next paragraph in your doc - it tells me not to worry about rsync errors [14:45:55] hehe [14:46:02] correct, i got my shell back [14:46:06] no sudo bs [14:46:13] Cool, then ^demon owes me $3 ;) [14:46:30] don't i get 10%? [14:46:35] <^demon> $0.30? [14:46:43] i want my $0.30 damn it [14:46:47] Seems reasonable [14:46:54] heh [14:47:00] ok, so... is that it? [14:47:04] awjr: Alright let's setup a config section for it and enable it on testwiki [14:47:17] ok [14:47:44] first CommonSettings, then InitialiseSeetings? [14:48:10] See https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/How_to_deploy_code#Add_a_configuration_switch_for_an_extension [14:48:15] Yes [14:48:16] is there any order or reason to CommonSettings? [14:48:21] Not really [14:48:25] k [14:48:32] Except the # NO EXTENSIONS BEYOND THIS POINT. REALLY. WE MEAN IT comment [14:48:45] <^demon> Who added that line, anyway? [14:48:51] *RoanKattouw svn blaes [14:48:56] +m [14:49:48] 1143 midom # THIS MUST BE AFTER ALL EXTENSIONS ARE INCLUDED [14:49:49] 1143 midom # [14:49:51] 1143 midom # REALlY ... were not kidding here ... NO EXTENSIONS AFTER [14:49:54] 1143 midom [14:49:55] 1143 midom require( "$IP/wmf-config/ExtensionMessages.php" ); [14:50:07] <^demon> Heh [14:50:07] my delete stopped acting like a backspace in terminal :( [14:50:25] Use Fn+Delete [14:50:32] <^demon> Did you switch to ksh by mistake? ;-) [14:50:35] Alternatively, just don't use a Mac [14:51:37] <^demon> Ugh ksh. Was not a fan. [14:52:14] you know, starting in feb i switched from using linux exclusively to using os x. os x also has it's own bag of headaches but the thing that makes me happiest is that dual display works every time and predictably [14:52:23] and i get much better battery life [14:52:44] otherwise, i kind of miss linux [14:53:15] when i first installed ubuntu on my macbook, i couldn't believe how well it worked - it worked better than on any other laptop i'd ever used. but then is tarted doing software updates and it all went downhill [14:53:38] I'm currently using kernel 2.6.32 on this laptop because .35 and .38 cause intermittent lockups [14:53:52] <^demon> I sound like a heathen but I hate gnome *and* kde. [14:54:05] Also had to install the proprietary NVIDIA drivers because nouveau (the open source drivers installed by default) broke when resuming from sleep [14:54:57] But all considered I didn't needa whole lot of tinkering and the only thing that doesn't work now is the mic [14:55:05] ^demon: how about xfce? [14:55:35] RoanKattouw: that's pretty slick. i killed the hd on a laptop once when sleep didnt work and i just blindly assumed that it did :( [14:55:46] Whoops [14:55:52] Well sleep had problems initially [14:55:55] 'default' => false, 'testwiki' => true ? [14:56:00] Like not bringing up the screen at all [14:56:01] Yes [14:56:04] k [14:56:40] on every linux install on a laptop i've ever had i've never been able to get sleep or hibernate to work totally right - like sometimes it'll work flawlessly the first time after a reboot, and then not at all ever again [14:57:12] ok, finished with the config changes [14:57:50] now i run configchange? [14:57:57] Yes [14:58:04] Actually [14:58:11] Run Init first then Common [14:58:16] So you define the var before you use it [14:59:42] oops [15:00:15] didn't complain tho [15:00:19] No worries [15:00:21] PHP is flexible like that [15:00:32] It'll throw some warnings but that's it [15:00:53] ok, so that's done [15:01:06] now... schema changes? [15:01:36] Ah, good point [15:01:47] I forgot about those, we should've done those before we enabled it on test [15:01:51] But no worries [15:01:52] oh [15:02:02] To apply the schema changes to testwiki run this: [15:02:23] php maintenance/sql.php exensions/EmailCapture/sql/CreateEmailCaptureTable.sql --wiki=testwiki [15:02:48] brb need slippers it's freezing in my kitchen [15:03:30] What a crazy word we live in, it's too cold in SF and too warm here [15:03:59] <^demon> It was over 90 here yesterday. Today isn't not even 60. [15:04:19] yep, almost seems like summer here :-/ [15:04:56] It's 75 today, which is insane for April [15:05:05] i trust that's in F no C? [15:05:09] Yeah yeah [15:05:11] hehehehe [15:05:12] <^demon> Haha [15:05:14] that's crazy [15:05:18] 75C can't be survived by humans I don't think [15:05:26] heh i would doubt it [15:05:34] <^demon> 167? Not for very long without some kind of gear on I'd imagine [15:05:36] but thank you for doing the conversion for us :) [15:06:21] we always get some nice weather in march/april and then we get the freezing summer weather, then in september/october it gets gorgeous here [15:06:44] <^demon> I came during monsoon season in March :( [15:07:12] I've been cold in SF exactly once [15:07:27] RoanKattouw: have you been in SF in August? [15:07:34] Last August, yeah [15:07:37] ok sql.php was run [15:07:41] was that when you were cold? [15:07:42] I was there for the hottest August day ever [15:07:45] No [15:07:48] That was in October 2009 [15:08:03] It was night time, in the Richmond, was wearing a t-shirt with no jacket or sweater [15:08:08] oh wow usually october is when things are nicest [15:08:08] It was probably about 50 F [15:08:33] Yeah well on August 24 (?) 2010 it was like 92 F [15:08:41] Yeah it was a nice day that day [15:08:43] During the day [15:08:48] oh mani need coffee, i keep writing irc messages in my shell and shell commands in the irc prompt.. [15:08:48] But it was chilly at night [15:08:53] haha [15:09:02] <^demon> 92F? I wish my summers peaked at 92. [15:09:17] wow! that's crazy you experienced some unusual weather here [15:09:19] Fortunately ours usually peak lower [15:09:27] Yeah I've also been here for a monsoon in January [15:09:27] although, i guess that's kind of normal in itself [15:09:37] Yeah crazy weather = normal in SF [15:09:43] :p [15:09:44] <^demon> I hate humid east-coast summer weather :( [15:09:53] ^demon: you're in... PA? [15:09:59] But SF doesn't get cold by my standards [15:10:01] <^demon> No that's hexmode. [15:10:02] <^demon> VA [15:10:05] oh right [15:10:12] VA gets totally unbearable [15:11:02] <^demon> I've got family in NC/SC. Talk about unbearable... [15:11:03] Usual SF winter is probably 45ish at its coldest, over here that's 23ish and that's only because we're at sea, inland it gets down to 18ish some nights [15:11:06] omg [15:11:19] Dude that's not very extreme [15:11:30] I was in Sweden around New Year's once [15:11:34] It was 12 F during the day one day [15:12:19] i lived in Tucson, AZ for 6 years (and am about to kinda move back) where it'll easily break 110 in July, and 3 years in Ohio where we'd often be below zero with windchill in January [15:12:48] <^demon> I'd take 110 in Tuscon over 99 in Richmond. [15:12:51] January in Ohio... those were dark, dark days [15:12:58] ^demon: i would too [15:13:10] but 120 tucson, 99 in richmond... i'd take richmond :p [15:13:31] then again, every single thing you could possibly be inside of in tucson is air conditioned [15:13:53] *RoanKattouw really, really hates heat [15:14:01] It's 75F now and I'm already annoyed [15:14:24] My ideal climate would be something like Stockholm, summer peak at 70ish and winter lows around 20 [15:14:27] do people have air conditioning or some equivalent there? [15:14:36] <^demon> Here? [15:14:39] Seattle/Portland in the summer is my fav [15:14:42] Nah we don't have airconditioning [15:14:46] no, in Netherlands [15:14:51] <^demon> We'd die without it :p [15:14:55] Well maybe in like supermarkets and stuff [15:14:55] hehehe [15:15:01] And modern cars [15:15:15] But why would you want to have air conditioning in your house [15:15:17] <^demon> Modern being...made in the last 25 years? [15:15:28] This isn't America [15:15:29] two summers ago i was living in Gudalajara, Mexico - a/c was non-existant and it'd regularly be in the high 90/low 100s :( [15:15:46] Proper air conditioning hasn't been usual in cars until about 10-15 years ago [15:15:57] Of course older cars have some sort of cooler [15:16:02] (and heater) [15:16:11] <^demon> Oh, did they have an icebox? [15:16:11] RoanKattouw: now that schema changes are applied on test wiki, is that it for the deploy? [15:16:13] <^demon> ;-) [15:16:15] *^demon ducks [15:16:15] lol [15:16:41] Like, in cars it makes sense because the sun can make it hotter inside than it is outside very easily, and you wanna be able to drive to France and stuff, where it is out [15:16:59] But in your house? For those 10-15 days a year it's over 80? [15:17:40] <^demon> No, I completely understand not having them in your house. [15:17:45] <^demon> If the climate doesn't call for it [15:17:54] Heh remember Poland? [15:17:59] <^demon> I didn't go to poland. [15:18:03] RoanKattouw: are we done with the deploy? [15:18:04] <^demon> So no ;-) [15:18:05] They didn't have air conditioning anywhere because they never need it [15:18:33] Except when we came to town and it was in the high 80s all week [15:18:47] and out of curiosity, is it typically better to apply schema changes /before/ config changes? [15:18:51] <^demon> You increased the biomass and therefore heat generation. [15:18:52] Yes [15:18:53] <^demon> ;-) [15:18:55] hahaha [15:19:02] That is, apply the schema changes before you enable the sortware [15:19:19] And yeah deploy is pretty much done [15:19:26] One thing you could do is run the schema update against enwiki [15:19:42] gulp [15:19:52] k [15:20:00] same thing, --wiki=enwiki? [15:20:04] Yes [15:20:11] And it's just a CREATE TABLE so it's painless [15:20:14] huzzah [15:20:17] nothing exploded [15:20:20] wikipedia still there? [15:20:23] <^demon> No [15:20:26] <^demon> You killed it [15:20:31] <^demon> Run and hide, quick! [15:20:36] ! [15:21:12] wtf why doesn't EmailCapture show up on Special:Version on test [15:21:20] no one's complaining yet from operations,i think im safe for now [15:21:53] OK srsly [15:22:07] The files didn't make it over somehow, I guess scap /is/ broken [15:22:13] :( [15:22:14] Try running sync-common-all [15:22:37] from docroot? [15:22:41] catrope@srv193:~$ less /apache/common/php/extensions/E[TAB] [15:22:44] ExpandTemplates/ ExtensionDistributor/ [15:22:46] From anywhere [15:23:08] there's a lot less complainin [15:23:25] with the exception of: snapshot1: rsync: mkdir "/usr/local/apache/common-local" failed: Permission denied (13) [15:23:25] snapshot1: rsync error: error in file IO (code 11) at main.c(595) [Receiver=3.0.7] [15:23:29] Yeah [15:23:33] That one is known [15:23:36] k [15:23:41] Hmm so maybe the rsync errors thrown by scap /were/ legit [15:24:04] And I guess include() silently fails or something [15:24:16] If you'd used require_once() tet should've been totally dead with fatal errors [15:24:52] hmm still now showing up on Special:Version [15:24:56] *not [15:25:24] *awjr checks configs [15:25:41] yeah i see the problem [15:26:46] Yeah [15:26:49] wg vs wmg [15:27:04] ok that is better [15:27:11] yay [15:27:32] w00t [15:27:39] is there a moderator for wikitech-l here ? [15:27:42] ok, if we are done, im gonna get my life together and head into the office [15:27:49] <^demon> GerardM-: Yes [15:28:09] awjr: Go ahead [15:28:12] there is a mail by qgil that I would like to read about mobile mediawiki [15:28:31] RoanKattouw: great, thanks for walking me through that :) [15:28:32] The archives are public, aren't they? [15:28:33] Sure [15:28:43] talk to you all later [15:28:45] he is new to the list .. that is why it is probably stuck [15:28:48] awjr: Assuming we're deploying AFT at 1:30pm today, we'll have more fun then :) [15:29:01] Shouldn't be I don't think; you think it's in the moderation queue? [15:29:17] I did not receive it and he says he send it [15:29:21] i dont think im available at 130pm today anymore [15:29:25] and not just because im afraid of merging [15:29:30] hah [15:29:38] :p we'll sort it out at the standup [15:29:42] talk later [15:30:04] <^demon> GerardM-: I don't see it in the queue. [15:30:45] Bah [15:30:48] thanks ^demon [15:30:53] I will prod him again [15:30:57] <^demon> No problem. [15:31:06] ug? [15:31:11] I don't have access to hooper (new Etherpad box) and ssh eiximenis (old Etherpad box) dies with a remote host ident has changed error [15:33:45] jorm: Are you here for real now? [15:34:00] I am! [15:34:03] What's up? [15:34:13] My wireless is super flakey lately. [15:34:24] Have you seen the shitstorm about the new survey thingy? [15:34:40] I can't for the life of me find out which tech person is responsible for that [15:34:57] shit storm? did this happen overnight? [15:34:59] For one thing, nlwiki wants it turned off immediately because the translations suck really badly [15:35:02] or, linkey? [15:35:16] There are other community complaints about the survey being bad, having bugs, and asking for sensitive info [15:35:27] There is no trace in the logs of this having been turned on and I have no idea who to contact [15:35:38] Arthur says Mani runs that show but she's not on IRC [15:35:53]