[00:08:19] @replag commonswiki [00:08:19] Krinkle: [commonswiki: s4] db31: 0s, db22: 1s, db33: 1s [00:08:23] @replag [00:08:25] Krinkle: [s2] db30: 1s, db24: 1s; [s5] db14: 2s, db35: 2s; [s6] db21: 5s, db7: 5s [00:11:14] @replag centralauth [00:11:14] Krinkle: Could not get replag information. [00:11:26] @info centralauth [00:11:26] Krinkle: [centralauth: s7] db37, db18, db16 [16:43:19] hexmode: call is in about 6 hours? or now? [16:44:08] sumanah: ~2 hours [16:44:28] ok! thanks, hexmode -- I shall adjust my calendar accordingly [16:44:31] about to send out a reminder [16:44:34] thanks! [16:47:33] sumanah, are you there? [16:47:40] hi akshayagarwal [16:48:10] sumanah: any updates regarding my proposal? [16:48:24] akshayagarwal: you will receive your acceptance or rejection on 25 April [16:48:35] akshayagarwal: and we'll tell you if we need any more information [16:48:58] sumanah: ya, I was just curious :) [16:49:42] sumanah: thanks for the info, have a great day! [16:49:52] sure! [17:57:23] *Krinkle back [17:57:35] alolita: AFT scrum in which ext? 2003 is taken [17:57:38] RoanKattouw: Re e-mail 21:00GMT I guess ? [17:58:05] AFT was an hour ago, right ? [17:58:16] Hm.. maybe I'm not late after all. [17:58:25] AFT is now [17:58:29] Or 5 mins ago [17:58:48] 11:00 PDT, GMT-7, 18:0.... ah, right, we're +2 now in holland. [17:58:57] cool [17:59:00] Triage meeting is 21:00-22:00 our time = lunchtime PDT [17:59:36] *RoanKattouw pokes alolita harder [17:59:41] AlexZ sent me SIP credentials. Just got it now, will try to figure it out asap, not sure I I can make it within 10 minutes tho [17:59:56] it's fairly simple with a decent client [18:02:36] <^demon> Maybe I've yet to find a working client. [18:03:15] <^demon> Because I've had no end of trouble getting my sip credentials to work [18:03:52] Some clients are better than others [18:04:00] But the office firewall has also broken SIP for me in the past [18:04:09] Athough in that case you can log in but get no sounds [18:04:11] -s [18:05:24] Hm.. SIP Username = myextensionid@voip.corp.wikimedia.org ? [18:06:06] I use voip.wm.o without the corp part [18:06:09] Not sure if it matters [18:06:56] so I call to 2003@voip.corp.wikimedia.org or something like that [18:07:12] Well yeah except the ops folks are in there [18:07:22] And alolita is not responding [18:07:32] I didn't hear anything when I connected [18:07:43] Hm, you're right, they're gone [18:07:51] not even static [18:08:14] OK srsly [18:08:16] I'm in there [18:08:25] I can hear you but apparently you can't hear me [18:08:57] I only hear background noise, like an empty room [18:09:49] OK WTF, my mic doesn't work [18:10:02] xD [18:10:17] It's built-in and worked the other day [18:10:17] Probably a software issue [18:10:39] btw, is SIP going to show the seperate users in there or do I get it like 1 stream of audio ? ie. can I see that for example you're talking ? [18:11:04] No, it's all just a stream of audi [18:11:08] k [18:11:14] It's not Skype-like, it's based on old-fashioned telephones [18:11:47] btw, both domains point to the same IP. I guess one is an old alias. [18:11:55] I guess [18:12:01] One is not a CNAME for the other thought [18:12:01] -t [18:13:05] I'm back in there now. [18:13:34] Apparently the meeting's not going to happen [18:13:40] Alolita says she's in another meeting now [18:13:46] yep [18:14:00] well, atleast I know SIP is working. That's good thing :) [18:14:16] OK cool [18:14:23] And I know my mic is having issues, which is a bad thing [18:14:26] roan, krinkle: apologies again [18:15:03] We want the e-mail stuff live soon so I guess I should review it [18:15:06] krinkle: can you please ping trevor and find out what needs to be done with the front - end development for the email functionality [18:15:26] Trevor's gone to take a nap [18:15:42] Both he and his wife are sick [18:15:52] roan: lets sync up with trevor before planning a deployment for this wednesday [18:15:52] So I suggest e-mail :) [18:15:58] Wed? [18:16:00] let's do it instead on monday [18:16:03] I thought Erik was saying Thu [18:16:14] wednesday night is thursday :-) [18:16:50] let me finish this meeting and then i can ping you and krinkle on irc [18:17:04] We have a triage meeting at noon [18:17:17] And I'm gonna use the 35 mins between that to brief Arthur about AFT [18:17:47] I'll read up on AFT a bit more, I have no clue what you mean by email functionality in AFT. Perhaps I missed it. [18:18:19] It's the EmailSomething extension [18:18:56] Hmm, dashboard code due in a week [18:20:03] That needs front-end dev too [18:32:08] sumanah: We are trying to spread awareness about Open Source at our univ, does WMF offer any assistance in this regards? [18:32:25] akshayagarwal: tell me more about your goals/objectives [18:33:28] sumanah: we being a technical univ have a lot of 'hackers' out there but they are not actively involved in open source [18:33:37] many of them dont even know whats open source [18:33:52] Danese offered to come and shot at my head of department [18:33:57] I still need to take her up on that [18:34:05] Reedy: SHOUT or shoot? [18:34:10] Shout [18:34:13] or other? ;-) [18:34:13] Shooting would work also [18:34:20] *sumanah laughs aloud [18:34:34] <^demon> I didn't hear you, laugh louder. [18:34:35] sumanah: the problem is they think they are not 'eligible' enough to participate, so we are trying to encourage them into Open Source [18:34:50] akshayagarwal: right. a hackfest might be a good way into it, then [18:36:04] actaully had tried that that but in vain due to the problem as above [18:36:04] akshayagarwal: so, assistance: I can offer you guidance, pointers, and ideas [18:36:19] akshayagarwal: the eligibility prejudice? [18:36:27] sumanah: yes [18:36:47] akshayagarwal: so, what do you think would help get people out of that mindset? [18:37:11] sumanah: thats my question! [18:37:38] akshayagarwal: tell me your thoughts & I will tell you my experiences as well [18:38:03] akshayagarwal: you can use yourself as an example, & other people you know in your uni & your area who have started using & contributing [18:38:53] At my uni, finding people who use is fairly easy, those who contribute, is a lot less [18:39:19] speaking of WMF in general, I guess there mus be something to first encourage them to edit Wikipedia articles at least [18:40:10] akshayagarwal: I bet the India chapter has materials & ideas about that [18:40:17] Reedy: at my univ, its only use & no contribution :) [18:40:27] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/wiki/Wikimedia_India akshayagarwal [18:40:42] I'm the only person I know in my course that does any open source programming (and my department probably) [18:41:20] akshayagarwal: when people try to convince/persuade students in your program to do things, what kinds of arguments and appeals work? [18:41:57] akshayagarwal: emotional? job-related? "everybody's doing it"? celebrity endorsements? adventure? fear? [18:42:19] to be honest, Certificates & T-Shirts [18:42:36] akshayagarwal: and of course fear of failure, I imagine [18:42:51] sumanah:true [18:43:01] akshayagarwal: in my recollection, there's also the urge to fit in with the crowd, to not be left out [18:43:44] sumanah: to some extent because the crowd here is not that active & outgoing [18:44:00] people dont wanna take lead [18:44:15] they dont wanna do something out of their comfort zones [18:44:40] akshayagarwal: so I'm sure you could set up a hackfest that ended with certificates & t-shirts, right? and you take the lead, get a list of TODOs together, specifically recruit a few people and reassure them that they are good enough [18:45:34] btw, I think I have a meeting in about ten minutes, right hexmode ? [18:45:43] yeah, actually had spoken to Google OSPO about this, they are ready to sponsor stickers & registers for organsising a meetup [18:46:00] sumanah: yes [18:46:00] akshayagarwal: there you go [18:46:53] Is there any logic to which parser functions are in core and which are in the ParserFunctions extension? In other words if I want to create a new parser function, how do I decide which place to put it? [18:47:14] sumanah: i wanted to focus WMF during this, since it will be a good starting point, can you suggest me some ways? [18:47:49] akshayagarwal: a good question & I don't know. Tell me about why you think WMF is a good starting point -- because you're already involved with MediaWiki? [18:48:46] Also, the local chapter (Wikimedia India) will probably also be of help here -- perhaps they already have some ideas, templates, etc. [18:48:55] no due to Wikipedia, as people without programming experience can also jump in [18:49:33] akshayagarwal: then maybe you could focus the event as "let's improve the Wikipedia information for [topic] in English & [2 other languages]"? [18:50:23] sumanah; ya, I was thinking of something like "How to find yourself on Wikipedia!" [18:51:24] sumanah: so people could start with adding their own information on user pages & then become active contributors [18:51:56] akshayagarwal: so, I have to go now, because I have a meeting, but I strongly encourage you to talk with the Wikimedia India chapter and ask them what has been successful in the past -- they have a lot of experience that I don't! [18:52:27] sumanah: sure! All the best for the meet! [18:52:51] akshayagarwal: and I probably should not clutter up this channel with discussion of an event like the one you are planning -- so if you want to talk about it, ping me and we'll talk in #wikipedia or something [18:53:18] sumanah: ok [18:55:56] RoanKattouw: please let people know that I'm having trouble with my SIP client [18:56:00] !@#$ [18:56:00] --elephant-- I don't know anything about "@#$". [18:56:11] Which ext are we in anyway? [18:56:18] I apparently just barged into the final 20 seconds of a meeting in 2003 [18:56:23] me too [18:56:35] Would've done the same :P [18:59:42] So, where are we? [18:59:49] hexmode: Got an ETA? There's folks in the room now [18:59:52] Reedy: 2003 [19:00:15] http://eiximenis.wikimedia.org/BugTriage [19:00:15] as soon as I dial via cell [19:02:41] RoanKattouw: Uh ? I thought it'd be at 9PM GMT (says that in the agenda) [19:03:38] *Krinkle joins [19:03:58] It's at 9pm CEST in my calendar [19:04:12] it changes every alternate week [19:04:14] odd vs even [19:04:33] It goes as late as midnight [19:08:23] 1am here even [20:09:51] robla, is there a GSOC meeting? [20:10:20] Sumana put something on etherpad about it, but I've not seen a meeting email [20:28:58] kaldari, don't know if you know, but the CLDR extension is probably ok to release on the cluster now [20:29:17] oh, that's exciting [20:29:54] I fixed the remaining TODO as per tims review... So it probably just needs the relevant poking to actually get it deployed [20:31:09] what about the i18nTags extension? Is that planned for deploying to cluster eventually as well? [20:31:58] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Review_queue [20:32:05] Seemingly no one has enquired about it as of yet [20:36:45] kaldari, probably need to log a bug/add it to that review queue [20:37:52] it seems to me that {{#languagename:}} should be in CLDR rather than i18nTags [20:38:29] since it's pretty useless without CLDR, right? [20:38:56] Pass [20:39:39] Have to speak to Niklas [20:40:04] I'll send him an email [20:46:30] Chinese has more traffic then Dutch ... Dutch is no longer a top 10 language in reach ... http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2011/04/dutch-is-no-longer-top-10-wikipedia-in.html [20:46:46] sumanah: where is the GSoC meeting taking place? [20:47:05] awjr: I'll email it to the list in mere seconds [20:47:09] ty [20:47:13] First I've heard of it still... [20:47:48] Reedy: :/ did the email announcements get spambinned? [20:48:09] The reminder is the first I've seen :/ [20:48:52] Reedy: so you didn't get my email on the 13th?