[11:38:52] Hey, does somebody happen to know how you can remove the contents between which is displayed as you have a look at the source code in a browser. Help would be cool. [11:40:59] You don't need to ask it in 2 different channels [11:41:38] you are right. I was not sure if somebody was on. [11:41:51] i will move to the other channel [12:19:45] RoanKattouw ben je er ? [12:20:03] Ja [12:20:22] wat is de status van Narayam ? [12:21:42] Deployment wordt voorlopig niet uitgebreid, tot WMF besluit wat het plan voor localization is [12:21:49] zegt Alolita [12:23:08] geldt dit ook voor de web fonts ? [12:23:18] Weet ik neit [12:37:13] Ik stuur haar een mailtje, wil je een cc ? [12:37:52] Sure [16:04:40] guillom: hi [16:04:49] hello sumanah [16:04:56] guillom: I am today writing & sending you the techblog stuff re GSoC [16:05:14] sumanah, I tried to ping you five minutes ago about precisely that :D [16:05:23] awesome [16:05:29] guillom: :) [16:06:36] *sumanah answers some wikitech-l email re GSoC [16:51:04] robla ? [16:53:39] guillom: hey there [16:53:50] lemme get set up [16:53:52] ok [16:57:29] guillom, you just about to go into a meeting with robla? [16:57:56] Reedy, yep; why? [16:58:09] Just wanted to ask him something, not urgent, I'll catch him later [17:03:21] Morning TrevorParscal [17:03:26] You wanted to disable SEL? [17:03:29] yes [17:03:40] and take a snapshot of all the data from the latest test version [17:03:42] Like right now? [17:05:17] *RoanKattouw interprets that silence as a yes [17:06:26] TrevorParscal: !log catrope synchronized php-1.17/wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php 'Disable Vector/SectionEditLinks on enwiki' [17:06:34] yes [17:09:30] Alright gonna get a dump now [17:09:49] a dump? [17:09:53] it's not done yet :-P [17:32:22] TrevorParscal: haha, thanks for the mailing :D [17:32:49] I've writing up the tech spec now, screw the naming. Thought people would take the fun /distrction, but oh well ??? too much stress! [17:32:52] yeah, I'm sure you are already aware of those 2 [17:33:01] I'm* [17:33:19] I think you should name it MZBrown [17:34:47] *RoanKattouw looks up, wonders what this is about [17:35:08] toolserver-l [17:36:06] TrevorParscal, hi; I'm writing the monthly engineering report, and in order to write the "Community prototyping" section, I'd like to know: about your section edit links experiment: were the results published somewhere? [17:37:06] we haven't really analyzed them yet, we only just 20 minutes ago stopped running the test and are taking a data snapshot [17:37:35] we have some preliminary data, but it's not ready for sharing because it didn't take some factors into account that may cause it to be misleading [17:37:40] we will be blogging about it [17:37:55] TrevorParscal: I just sent you the aggregates post-disable [17:38:09] And the dump just finished [17:38:54] TrevorParscal, ok, so it's safe to say: "results are not available yet, but will be published next month" ? [17:39:01] but, initial data suggests that the new section edit links are used 2x as much, but result in a similar number of actual saves, which could also be seen as 0.5x the section edit link to save ratio [17:39:06] sure [17:39:11] ok, thanks [17:42:35] Is Neil in the office? [17:42:39] He's commenting on BZ but he's not on IRC [17:42:55] TrevorParscal: 8355486 8355471 1784076974 /home/catrope/seldump.csv [17:42:55] yeah [17:42:58] he is [17:43:01] (lines, words, bytes) [17:43:07] Could you ask him to get on IRC then? [17:43:18] He and I need to talk UploadWizard [17:43:47] I might lurk during that convo [17:43:51] if it's in the channel. [17:44:29] nimish_g, around? I'm working on the monthly engineering report, and I'd like to add more information about your work on buckets & tally extensions. Where could I find that information? I can't seem to find related commits in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/author/nimishg [17:46:38] guillom: the "tally" extension is just going to be modified clicktracking, we've gone over ways to change it. I'm working on it, but I haven't checked it in yet. The "buckets" extension hasn't been started yet [17:48:20] ok, thanks [17:55:20] !r 77451 [17:55:20] --elephant-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/77451 [19:14:13] Is the new uploadwizard up somewhere ? [19:14:22] i'd like to make a screenshot to add to the signpost article. [19:14:43] neilk_: ----^^ [19:14:57] Or maybe guillom knows [19:16:06] Hi [19:16:43] thedj: http://commons.prototype.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard [19:17:21] thedj: anyway we are planning to soft launch 3/30 - 4/1 [19:17:38] some more info should arrive by end of today [19:17:58] congrats [19:18:46] apergos: thanks. It's still not as cool as I would like. We want to do a 1.1 before WMDE with all the stuff we've been putting off to just make it work in basic browsers. [19:19:05] I look forward to it [19:19:06] chunked, HTML5, modern browser goodness, etc. [19:19:16] otherwise, it is still a lot better than the alternative :) [19:19:16] I try to explain to people how to use the current one [19:19:20] and man.... suck suck suck [19:19:53] heh [19:19:58] I know it [19:20:03] looking nice [19:20:14] we had to sit through 10+ people utterly failing and not help them, for the study. [19:21:07] does this use the new html5 fileapi ? [19:21:14] thedj: sadly, no. [19:21:25] chunked uploads will be the bomb [19:21:29] thedj: but, we have plans, as I said, for 1.1 [19:21:38] although we should not raise the file size limit instantly... [19:21:51] good, that will make it even more dandy [19:21:52] we talked a lot about implementing chunking properly over the weekend w/Tim, myself, Michael Dale, et al. [19:21:55] gotta get nelson's code done and tested and out there) [19:22:04] oh yeah, that's the next challenge :) [19:22:13] boy it can not come too soon [19:22:19] ms4 was looking fragile again today [19:24:14] neilk_ [19:24:23] matanya: yes? [19:24:27] can give you one feddback? [19:24:34] *feedback [19:24:36] you can give many [19:25:01] no back button. I made a mistake when choosing file [19:25:07] and hit forward [19:25:34] couldn't change to right file when I noticed the mistake [19:25:45] Known issue. Sorry, that has to wait for 1.1 [19:26:05] thanks [19:26:14] However, our idea is actually that uploads should start instantly [19:26:31] But you should be able to "cancel" them later [19:26:47] That will fix your case, but in a different way. [19:27:16] wouldn't have any clue about it [19:27:36] I worked with UI and UX in past, if helps you [19:30:00] whoops [19:30:01] oh well [19:32:25] he's around fairly often these days... [19:32:34] you should be able to catch him again later if needed [19:32:37] (= tomorrow) [19:37:04] so then the question becomes... where are we gonna deploy this uploadwizard... [19:37:28] *RoanKattouw was wondering that himself [19:37:30] neilk_ ? [19:37:41] i'm guessing Commons. [19:37:51] Oh where [19:37:55] Yes, Commons [19:37:57] It's already deployed there [19:38:01] (and older version) [19:38:03] *an [19:38:13] RoanKattouw: right, so we we're going ahead with deploy. [19:38:19] RoanKattouw: so, 3/30 as planned. [19:38:25] Announced on 4/1 [19:38:25] i just wonder how we could integrate it into the flow in a way that would not cause everyone to upload images of astronauts as CC-By-sa-3.0 [19:38:42] thedj... yeah [19:39:25] thedj, well right now you configure licenses via LocalSettings.php. Which is less convenient when you want to do something like the US Government Work license. [19:39:47] Actually this is PD-NASA, I think [19:40:08] yes, it would be unless that entry has gone away [19:40:11] Guillaume had another design which just opened up into an almost infinitely scrolling list of licenses, which I don't think solves the problem either. [19:40:19] *shudder* [19:40:57] thedj: so ok, we were thinking of starting with CC licenses only for own work, but for third-party uploads (like NASA) obviously we need a longer list. But not the list of ALL LICENSES EVER. [19:41:03] there are about 150 PD-mark templates. but PD-USGov-* are the most important ones. [19:41:13] for en wikt sure [19:41:24] and commons [19:41:26] thedj: what are the most important ones for us to launch with [19:41:32] perhaps we need a license 'search field' :D [19:41:41] thedj... nooo [19:42:04] as soon as someone types nasa in the source field [19:42:14] we should just pop up the right license choice :-P [19:42:20] thedj: I was thinking we need some kind of game like "animal". If you add a license to commons you have to add a question that would distinguish it from others. [19:42:40] *neilk_ wonders if he is the only one old enough to have played animal [19:42:48] yeah, we thought about that in the past. that source links could act as a prefilter for licensing and other data retrievel, but that's a long way out. [19:42:49] I didn't play it and I'm older 'n' you [19:43:10] (I'm sure it is, it was a facetious remark. but someday maybe) [19:43:25] http://www.animalgame.com/ [19:43:56] in any case the current commons form does not allow you to pick any license IIRC. [19:44:06] It's all defined with pseudo-language strings. Shudder. [19:44:36] neilk_: how about.. if you could have like "Public domain", and then add all those to a new category that requires 'editor cleanup' to make the licenses more specific ? [19:44:44] this game is too complicated [19:44:46] rhrmrmrm [19:44:56] I have to decide whether the "lives in water" is really true or not :-P [19:44:58] I don't like that because "public domain" is poorly understood [19:45:00] put the burdon on the seasoned editors, whereas for a new user all 'public domain' is sorta the same. [19:45:03] how about "lives by water" [19:45:31] neilk_: seperate entry 'united states government work then' ? [19:46:07] or No rights Reserved. [19:46:25] but that technically isn't the same as being out of copyright. [19:46:27] thedj: well you were asserting that NASA is different from US Gov Work ... somehow I am not sure of that. [19:46:41] only for Commons [19:46:47] legally it's the same. [19:46:49] geez [19:46:58] that was like 40 questions to get it to tell me a penguin [19:47:13] "does it lay large eggs"... well... I guess. they're sort of large... by what standards?/ [19:47:18] etc. [19:47:28] apergos: the idea is that questions are submitted by users, so some of them suck. [19:47:35] :-D :-D :-D [19:47:44] neilk_: in Commons all PD-templates are were possible connnected to a specific source, so that the template can link to the place where the PD status of the works can be verified. [19:47:47] the database starts with no knowledge whatsoever about a set of things to classify [19:47:52] but legally they are all the same. [19:47:59] I mean the old 20 q at least you ask "larger than a breadbox" and we know how big that is [19:48:14] not "large" for some random value of large... [19:48:17] guillom: you should see my techblog entry in your email -- you can post it under your own name/account, I've referred to myself in the 3rd person [19:48:22] thedj: I'm not a lawyer, but PD-templates cannot all be the same if they come from different countries. PD has no meaning transnationally. [19:48:45] neilk_: we only care about the US definition [19:48:49] ok [19:48:57] um? [19:48:58] guillom: and you can tag it http://techblog.wikimedia.org/category/summer-of-code/ [19:49:12] for us government works, caring only about the us defin is fine [19:49:21] okay I'm going to edit the config on prototype, tell me if this works [19:49:24] for other stuff? [19:49:44] guillom: er, categorize it that way, tag it http://techblog.wikimedia.org/tag/gsoc/ :-) [19:49:50] neilk_: as in, if we as a community think that a PD of a country is equal enough to the definition of US PD, then we consider it public domain, otherwise it is copyrighted. [19:50:08] yeah, that makes sense [19:51:12] anyway, it's these smaller details that we try to capture in the PD-specific-source template, but all PD- are basically the same status in the US. [19:51:31] sumanah, I'll take a look tomorrow, it's a bit late for me :) [19:51:36] thanks! [19:51:51] guillom: no prob. [19:51:57] ok, I see [19:51:58] guillom: again, sorry for the wait. [19:52:09] no worries [19:52:36] neilk_: anyway, pd- is the most important missing element [19:52:42] i'm working on it [19:53:17] and if we do a 'blanket' pd then we will need to collect those uploads, so experienced editors can select a more specific PD template/category. [19:54:07] side note: I just noticed that Chrome has "break on subtree modification" [19:54:09] perhaps we might want a specific PD-to-be-sorted for that. [19:55:00] that sounds better [19:55:07] guillom: I know it's late for you, but -- do you want me to give you a 1-paragraph summary to insert into the engineering report post? [19:55:11] than having all pd ones wind up in a category to be combed through [19:55:52] sumanah, {{be bold}} and add it :) http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_engineering_report/2011/March#Upcoming_events [19:56:04] :) ok, guillom [19:56:42] sumanah, if you have any other question, drop me an e-mail. [19:56:45] *guillom --> bed. [19:56:51] sleep well [19:56:54] thx [20:17:08] nimish_g: hey, you mentioned to me an automated security violation-seeking bot/tool based on commits people have made that were good or bad, based on regexes [20:20:50] nimish_g: or at least the idea for that. Would that be an interesting GSoC project? I saw the pre-commit checker idea in the ideas page -- same thing? [20:37:10] Doing that would be a rather complex process, surely? :/ [20:50:18] robla: here I am [20:51:45] Reedy: not terribly so. basically the idea is to have something check for simple patterns in the code, and if any of them come up, send some warning email, like "hey, you might've done something silly. can you verify that you've 1) fixed this or 2) totally know what you're doing" we've had them at previous places I've worked, and they really do help. sumanah is that what you're talking about, b/c that's the idea I meant [20:52:27] Platonides has a check-vars script that checks for some style things [20:52:32] Like missing globals and unused vars [20:52:44] Or calling deprecated things, etc. [20:52:47] Not sure what the full feature set is [20:52:55] (But it's not a post-commit hook) [20:54:18] Certainly style, globals etc is fairly easy to do programmatically, "security" unless very explicit issues, must be all but impossible? [20:54:48] It can be done run-time with taint [20:54:53] MW has some sort of taint support [20:59:01] nimish_g: yes, I believe what you're describing now is what I remember you describing on the phone on Friday [21:00:06] I mean is that the same thing as the pre-commit checker [21:00:16] (I haven't seen that idea) [21:00:45] *sumanah reviews http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2011#Project_ideas [21:00:56] nimish_g, sumanah, i added that item [21:01:01] specifically http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2011#Scripts_and_other_utilities [21:01:03] per a convo i had with nimish_g [21:01:10] hahaha ok, that makes sense now [21:01:15] :D [21:01:21] "Implementing pre-commit checks in code repositories that would automagically look for security vulnerabilities, bad coding convention, broken code, etc, perhaps with a web interface to facilitate the process." [21:01:50] those tools should be as RCS-agnostic as possible [21:01:52] awjr, nimish_g, Reedy, RoanKattouw -- I will take your comments here & add them to that idea [21:01:58] (to the wiki page, anyway) [21:02:30] we want to make sure we can use them with whatever revision control system we have [21:02:46] svn, git, bzr, hg etc [21:02:53] awjr: Monotone just went 1.0 :) [21:03:24] awjr: cvs? [21:03:29] add it to the list [21:03:33] add 'em both to the list [21:03:53] actually, just saying keeping the tool revision control system agnostic should do it :) [21:05:06] :) [21:18:32] hey RoanKattouw ? [21:18:40] Yeah? [21:18:54] I remember once copying this pattern from you: ~~!!foo [21:19:12] Maybe !!foo [21:19:13] I can't remember why both double negations are necessary though [21:19:15] Probably not ~~!!foo [21:19:27] I picked up ~~foo somewhere as an easy way to cast to bool in JS [21:19:34] weird, perhaps I just imagined you talking about this one day, that there was some reason to do both. [21:19:46] I just discovered a nice cast, BTW [21:19:53] var time = +new Date(); [21:19:59] haha nice [21:20:06] as opposed to var time = ( new Date() ).getTime() [21:20:11] I think ~~ works for cast to int [21:20:18] Although + is much nicer of course [21:20:18] hm [21:20:43] ok, I guess I'll junk it [21:20:54] unless someone can tell me how to google for ~~!! :) [21:23:09] ah this is hilarious [21:23:19] http://codesearch.google.com/codesearch?as_q=~~%21%21&btnG=Search+Code&hl=en&as_package=&as_lang=javascript&as_filename=&as_class=&as_function=&as_license=&as_case= [21:23:25] third item [21:23:45] haha [21:23:49] actually ALL of them except for a few [21:23:55] Well you managed to Google for ~~!! , chapeau [21:24:00] :) [21:24:36] I was telling everyone this was a Roan-ism that I copied, but I must have been dreaming or something. [21:24:37] SOrry. [21:24:39] sorry. [21:26:14] Oh wow, I think this actually makes sense now. [21:26:24] neilk_: ok, ~~!! does convert to a 0 or a 1 [21:26:33] !! flips to bool, ~~ casts to int. The checked = wants a 0 or 1, IIRC. [21:26:33] --elephant-- I don't know anything about "!". You might try: !compliment !mwbot !rock !vectorspans !welcome [21:26:55] yeah [21:27:12] it will convert anything to a 0 or 1, it's equivilent to (int) (bool) val [21:27:14] in php [21:27:22] (if you can even cast multiple times) [21:28:03] you should keep it (if it makes sense) but add a comment [21:28:10] that's actually a pretty cool code bit [21:28:16] AFAIK !! is used for bool casts in jQuery [21:28:29] yeah, that's common [21:28:38] but the ~~ for casting a bool to an int is the rare part [21:28:42] using them together makes sense [21:29:05] in the first hit on that google search [21:29:31] it's obvous, they are setting the buffer level to 0 or 1 (they want an integer) using the truthyness of arbitrary input [21:30:03] I have a feeling I actually knew this 6 months ago. [21:31:27] hence the need for a comment [21:31:30] added [21:31:39] then it will be "ah, that's clever" instead of "wtf?" [21:32:00] yeah. probably wasted like $100 of developer time right now with four characters. [21:32:05] And it's not even perl! [21:32:13] ha ha [21:32:27] <^demon> # wtf? [21:32:32] <^demon> Always a good comment ^ [21:33:09] :-D [21:41:02] RoanKattouw: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/84929 [21:41:20] you actually missed another place where incomplete rating sets could cause issues [21:41:36] it could also have caused premature expiration (that's what she said) [21:42:21] Premature expiration? Is that when like your protection expires while in active use? :P [21:42:53] ha ha [21:43:13] Oh [21:43:15] 0 < anything [21:43:18] "Good until Monday, March 28th at 2:48pm" [21:43:20] crap! [21:43:25] (if anything is a revid) [21:43:38] Gotta remember where you bought em, too [21:44:02] In case you get more interesting ones from e.g. Amsterdam and have to do timezone math while you really wanna be focusing on other things [21:44:12] "Oh, wait they're manufactured in China... I'm good for 6 more hours" [21:44:49] They should all be manufactured in Kiribati [21:44:55] UTC+14 [21:45:01] is that what you call a far-future expire? [21:45:41] Depending on certain factors, it may be [21:47:55] Interesting. [21:48:02] the .ki domain is also in Kiribati [21:48:12] we really need a chapter there to handle this sort of thing :) [21:48:42] Dates will get confusing though [21:48:48] <^demon> We need to find a way to get wi.ki, which is held by one of the .ki registrars for $900-something. [21:49:03] .ki domains are multiple hundreds of dollars per year :( [21:49:06] <^demon> On the subject of Kiribati :) [21:49:17] I know, we both looked into this independently I think [21:49:22] The time difference between Kiribati and SF is almost large enough for a two-day difference [21:49:39] meh, 14+8=22 , just short [21:49:42] ererrrr, I think they are on the same planet? [21:50:17] Just saying, it's possible for the date to be Mar 28 in one place and Mar 30 somewhere else [21:50:28] If "somewhere else" is Kiribati and "one place" is in UTC-11 or -12 [21:50:40] But SF is in -8 and I think even Hawaii is in -10 [21:50:41] <^demon> SF is a on whole 'nother dimension [21:50:45] how so? I think there are only two days ever in place on the planet [21:51:01] the day begins as a sliver moving east at the int'l date line, 24 hours later meets itself. [21:51:06] No, because the range of timezones is UTC -12 to +14 [21:51:12] <^demon> Right ^ [21:51:13] You thought timezones made sense [21:51:15] They don't [21:51:19] Haha [21:51:22] okay [21:51:44] <^demon> Unfortunately, we couldn't be happy with the IDL just being the opposite of the prime meridian, we had to move it all over the place like a jigsaw puzzle. [21:51:49] I'm also in the wrong timezone. I should be an hour closer to you guys [21:51:52] I think German imperialism is to blame [21:52:33] And then there's crap like Bhutan (?) being in its own UTC +05:45 timezone [21:52:54] <^demon> Or China, which geographically spans like 4-5 timezones, but only has one local time. [21:53:06] Yeah [21:53:53] <^demon> Over the past few years I've grown to hate timezones more and more and think everyone should just work according to UTC. [21:54:01] Spain is directly south of the UK, but an hour ahead of it. Same thing with LA and Reno [21:54:07] Or wait, Reno is in PT too [21:54:10] Swatch Beat [21:54:33] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time aka "fuck the sun" [21:55:00] RoanKattouw, Spain is in CEST to be in the same timezone as Europe [21:55:06] I know [21:55:10] (the meridian crosses it anyway) [21:55:10] But isn't Portugal in BST? [21:55:21] We should be in BST too, our solar time is UTC +0:20 [21:55:23] Portugal is completely at the left [21:55:38] I know where it is :P just wondering which timezone [21:55:52] the stupid thing is that some politicians proposed changing the timezone of a Comunidad Autonoma [21:55:55] If it's in +1 while being completely on the western hemisphere, that would be crazy [21:56:04] yes, Portugal has one hour less than Spain [21:56:16] (actually, Canary islands are also -1 than mainland) [21:56:20] Well that makes sense, geographically (Portugal being in UTC that is) [21:56:25] yup [21:57:17] The country with the sanest timezone policy is probably Canada [21:57:32] The timezone boundaries coincide with province lines [21:57:46] Well, except for Newfoundland [21:57:54] Which is probably more due to province lines being set up to align with meridians than the other way around [21:58:00] Yeah, NL is crazy [21:58:04] Also, SK has no DST [21:58:04] Also, Canada invented timezones [21:59:01] In the US the timezone boundaries are all weird except Pacific [22:00:27] <^demon> What's weird about EST? [22:01:01] <^demon> (other than Indiana, but that's another can of worms) [22:01:34] Is it only Indiana where the boundary doesn't align right? [22:01:52] <^demon> Well it cuts through TN and KY as well, now that I'm looking at a map [22:02:03] <^demon> http://www.timetemperature.com/tzus/time_zone.shtml - none of them are perfect, really [22:02:13] ^demon, the fact that there are two timezones with that abbreviature? [22:02:23] PT is every state or Canadian province that is not an island and borders the Pacific, plus Nevada [22:03:02] Ugh, Alaksa [22:03:09] <^demon> PST also seems to encompass the panhandle of Idaho, and some of MST seems to cut into Oregon. [22:03:15] <^demon> Also, lol @ "Arizona is in the Mountain Time Zone and does not observe DST exect in the Navajo Indian Nation" [22:03:19] I thought Alaska was on PT but apparently they're on their own TZ [22:03:26] Yeah [22:03:39] This flight planning web site I use doesn't know about this [22:03:50] So you can get weird results for flights to/from PHX [22:04:02] Iceland is another place that's annoying for its non-DST-ness [22:04:10] while we're on the topic [22:04:33] <^demon> Of Iceland, DST, or timezones? [22:04:37] you know those cities that you can get out of unix's TZ functions like "America/Los_Angeles" and so on [22:04:50] what are they officially called? [22:05:11] the guy that invented/maintains them is called Olson, so sometimes they are referred to that way [22:05:19] but "olsons" seems wrong [22:05:20] it's the Olson database [22:05:23] No idea [22:05:35] I do know that GCal only picks up on DST if I select Tijuana [22:05:37] LA doesn't do it [22:05:40] I read the package readme recently [22:05:51] yeah, but the Olson database of whats? [22:05:52] but I don't remember a mention about naming them in a special way [22:05:57] just about how to choose them [22:06:05] I should email that guy [22:06:06] neilk_, of timezones [22:06:11] they aren't timezones [22:06:18] they are [22:06:21] they are "ways of calculating local time" [22:06:34] which sort of correspond to the officially recognized time zones, mostly. [22:06:38] they are zones were the local time was always the same since unix epoch [22:06:48] s/were/where/ [22:07:39] if your town changes its timezone tomorrow, it gets a new entry [22:55:22] Where's the bug triage meeting happening? [22:56:14] Reedy: on x2003 [22:57:53] *^demon grabs headphones [23:05:52] *TimStarling is in the meeting now