[00:20:06] oh! discussion in here. sorry, i was away in another window. [00:21:27] "Display Settings" was chosen because "Content Filter Settings" was too exact and I wanted to future proof against other possible display settings in the future (like, say, for liquid threads) [00:23:09] In the final out, i'll probably want to do a more explicit call-to-action about creating an account there, but for now that might take away from the proposal as it is. [00:23:32] anons need it as a cookie preference mostly because THINK OF THE CHILDREN, i guess. [00:23:46] mostly so that they don't see penises every other time they come to wikipedia. [00:25:14] hrm. jedit is behaving poorly. [00:25:26] i wish there was a good mac text editor that was in-line with its quality. [16:14:32] hi [16:30:36] salut hashar [16:30:59] yop [19:38:37] I am going to be chopping up the style guide in Very Soon time. It's becoming less useful in a single document. [19:39:28] Code style? [19:45:41] visual style. [19:45:46] i'm not touching code style. [19:52:08] what's the difference? [20:00:30] code style guides concern themselves with things like whitespace and brace positions and best practices for programming patterns. [20:01:04] visual style guides concern themselves with things like best colors to use for x, y, and z; best locations for errors; how errors should be handled for the user, etc. [20:27:13] jorm: I always wanted to have color palettes defined for templates, like infoboxes [20:28:12] so, that's more of a "Wikipedia" style guide, not a MediaWiki one, but the same principles apply. [20:28:57] saper: Cross-wiki, you mean? [20:29:20] Shirley: not necessarily, but actually why not [20:29:39] I think we copied some color patterns from dewiki to plwiki [20:29:46] Because different cultures interpret different colors in different ways. [20:30:13] there are some pretty standard interpretations but yes. [20:31:54] well given amount of templates that got copied from enwiki or dewiki I don't think eastern europe is very special. It would be nice if the colors would somehow harmonize with whatever $default skins has [20:55:20] stacey is watching a documentary called "The Whites of West Virginia" and every time I go into the other room she's all "Look! It's your people!" just as some holler-dwelling hick starts crying about how the state took away their baby because the mother got caught snorting oxycontin in the hospital room right after giving birth. [20:55:26] these aren't really my people. [20:55:41] even though i actually personally know a couple individuals in the documentary. [20:56:20] holy crap really? [20:56:43] yeah, really. [20:57:03] it's about the family of Jesco White, who is one of the last mountain dancers. maybe the last, now. [20:57:04] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesco_white [20:57:08] anyways. i know jesco. [20:57:21] ran sound for him a couple times. [20:57:24] the last? [20:57:37] well. mountain dancing is a style. and it's pretty much died out. [20:57:58] back in, like, 1990, he was known as one of the last - like, the youngest person to know the style anymore. [20:58:07] so all the older guys are probably dead by now. [20:58:27] its a weird thing to watch. like tap dancing, but not? seems like it takes no talent but it does. like, a LOT of talent. [20:58:33] I am sure it does [20:58:42] when you watch someone do footwork and it looks easy [20:58:51] usually that means its hard. [20:58:53] that's when you know they practiced forever to make it look just like that [21:00:19] madison, wv is about as far from where i grew up as san jose is from san francisco. [21:00:29] so pretty much not [21:00:43] the only thing that makes sj seem far is the frickin traffic [21:00:45] right. so jesco would come to huntington lots. [21:01:00] yeah. and in wv, it's the winding-ass mountain roads. [21:01:07] oh. yeah it would be [21:01:10] plus, you get out into the hollers and it's a little weird. [21:01:29] how many people in your home town? [21:02:00] well, it's a college town. so the population changes through the year. [21:02:33] when you grew up, the same? [21:02:53] dunno current stats, but in the 1970s it was 80,000 + 20,000 students. by the time i left in 1993 or so it was down to 40,000 + 25,000 students. [21:03:24] lemme see what enwp says about now. [21:03:32] Hah I always thought you grew up in a rural place [21:03:38] While my hometown has a pop of like 20k [21:03:41] If not less [21:03:44] 49,129. [21:03:55] well. there's "rural" and *rural* [21:04:07] I guess distance to other places is also a factor [21:04:23] There's another similar-sized (maybe 10-15k) town like 6 mi away [21:04:40] huntington has 50k people spread out over a footprint that's about 18 square miles. [21:05:01] the nearest town of any close size is charleston, which is a bit bigger, and is 45 miles away. [21:05:16] bit more than that. probably 60 miles. [21:05:56] hrn. they say the metro area is up to 260k. that's interesting. [21:06:04] but metro area there is defined. . . broadly. [21:06:17] lol, it's actually 15k according to Wikipedia, and that makes it the 4th (!) largest city in my province [21:06:28] it would be like saying the metro area of SF is also oakland, emeryville, berkley, the peninsula, and san jose. [21:06:56] jorm: An East Coast person would probably agree with that [21:07:04] People from CA not so much I guess [21:07:06] well people do think of all that stuff as "the bay area" ie just an offshoot of sf [21:07:06] we always thought of metro there being huntington, wv; ashland, ky, and ironton, oh. [21:07:22] people that either a) live in sf or b) live outside the bay area [21:07:31] yeah. sf's population is about 800k. [21:07:39] but metro area, we're up to like, 4.5M [21:07:44] yeah [21:07:50] In 1906 that was 400k (pre-quake) [21:07:57] Which is kind of amazing [21:07:59] hey, is the preferences pane built using htmlform? [21:08:31] that seems like a good place to start experimenting. [21:09:30] ryan lane. we meet again. [21:09:42] jorm: yes [21:10:16] what about special:userlogin? [21:10:38] and i swear to christ, finding the code that runs some of this shit is like archaeology. [21:10:44] prolly no [21:11:05] jorm: yo [21:11:20] the login code is crp [21:11:22] crap [21:11:36] some of the worst code in mediawiki, for sure [21:11:38] ryan, what's this about you moving to sf, and then starting a relationship with a chick in LA at the same time? [21:11:48] ARE YOU $INSANE? [21:11:50] lol [21:11:52] I am [21:11:57] Dollar Insane? [21:12:09] we've been dating for like 2 months [21:12:16] she gonna move out here? [21:12:21] at some point, maybe [21:12:26] we are giving it a couple months [21:12:47] at least you can fly there in half an hour [21:12:50] so, i did the whole long distance thing with stacey. and now she's moved here. [21:12:51] could be worse. [21:12:54] She's in *LA*? [21:12:56] and i can't get rid of her. [21:12:59] apergos: no. Louisiana [21:12:59] I thought you were dating someone in NoLa [21:13:04] LA not L.A. [21:13:06] I'm sooo going to tell her you said that :-P [21:13:16] oooohhh dear [21:13:19] that's no good ryan [21:13:25] wrong foot and all that [21:13:26] Oh, Louisiana [21:13:28] heh [21:13:41] So what I thought was close enough [21:13:59] jorm: see also http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/83809 [21:14:33] we'll see how it works out. [21:14:46] could be I'm single again in a month or so. who knows [21:15:01] excellent! [21:17:51] hmm, https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28096 is an xss issue... (In a projects local js) [21:47:33] *Shirley NP: "Bohemian Rhapsody" by Queen from "Classic Queen" [22:40:07] jorm: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/w/index.php?title=Personal_image_filter&diff=392399&oldid=392398 [22:43:14] hah. krinkle gave me that translation. [22:48:03] the first one I corrected in chat, the other one is an old spelling [22:48:10] sex -> seks [22:49:15] you silly foreigners. [22:49:25] and your "alternative languages" [22:51:06] Old spelling? [22:51:11] I thought it was still with ks [22:51:34] sekshul. [22:51:34] Wikipedia uses ks :) [22:52:06] RoanKattouw: That's what I'm saying [22:52:10] sex -> seks [22:52:14] Right [22:52:19] old spelling was with x [22:52:21] Oh you're saying x is old spelling [22:52:23] You know [22:52:37] silly language changes want everything to be dutch-like [22:53:03] Silly continental Europeans. [22:53:04] Back in 2000, people still using the old spelling seemed reasonable [22:53:23] In 06, 07 I started pointing out that the spelling reform was more than 10 years ago, surely people have adapted by now [22:53:32] Now it's 16 years [22:53:47] Just over 3/4 of my life was governed by the new spelling :P [22:55:31] RoanKattouw: "Produkt" written with a 'k' gets me itchy toes. [22:55:58] One car store in my previous home town had AKKU'S written in huge letters [22:56:06] Ironically, that was wrong even before 1995 [23:01:02] hehe [23:31:48] http://www.flickr.com/?hates_arial=1 [23:32:14] o_O [23:32:21] ? [23:32:25] hang on [23:32:45] it's better with a real photostream url [23:32:47] http://www.flickr.com/photos/heather?hates_arial=1 [23:37:57] lol, I thought you were linking about ariel (wmf staff), but I misread that part. I was like: What's against ariel ? [23:38:10] comic sans, because sometimes it's better than Times New Roman :D [23:39:38] I've got a lecturer who seems to love Comic Sans...